Springfield doesn't have a ghetto or ...

Springfield doesn't have a ghetto or dangerous neighborhoods - keep it that way!

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Frasocrass Mallory

Pilot Grove, MO

#1 May 18, 2012
If people don't stop steering people away from cheaper neighborhoods, and good people keep leaving them - that is what will create bad neighborhoods. Why not just say the neighborhoods you think are "bad" or "dangerous" are cheap and humble? A place you can get a steal on a house? If you do that and people move into them, it won't be long and those neighborhoods will IMPROVE and not become ghetto. I love Springfield for the fact it doesn't have a ghetto. Springfield is blessed.

Rant from another thread:

Springfield has got to be one of the safest cities its size in the entire country. Not coincidentally, it's got to be one of, if not THE, whitest city for its size. Sure, the northwest side might be poor, but it's poor WHITE people. It's safe! Be thankful you aren't a place like Little Rock, which in terms of city population and metro population, isn't all that much bigger than Springfield, but because Little Rock has a large number of poor neighborhoods like Springfield, it's incredibly dangerous and has some of the worst crime in the nation - and that's all because it's poor neighborhoods are BLACK, not WHITE, like Springfield.

All that said, Springfield is blessed to be such a relatively large city free of a major black population! There are a handful of blacks in midtown and on the northside, but not even one neighborhoods is even 20% black. They're ALL vast-majority white. Now, I think GOOD people should take advantage of the cheap housing, not be snobby, and fix up the poorer areas and keep them safe! Because with the bad attitude of trying to say Springfield has "dangerous" neighborhoods and telling people to stay clear of them...THAT is what WILL make those neighborhoods turn bad. If nobody good ever moves to them, and all the good people leave them, you're left with a truly bad neighborhood. Springfield doesn't deserve that! I'd much rather buy up a cheap house and keep my cost of living low AND have more money to spend on other things each month. Please stop spreading the fictitious bad neighborhood nonsense about Springfield, it only hurts.
northsider

Garden City, MI

#2 May 18, 2012
youre dumb as hell and probably have never seen an actual "ghetto" and if you think springfields anywhere close to one the hop in my truck and let me take you for a ride
aur56

Monett, MO

#4 May 18, 2012
Black or white makes no difference in whether a neighborhood is bad or not. It's about the quality of people, the drug crimes, domestic abuse etc. that makes a bad neighborhood.
Frasocrass Mallory

Pilot Grove, MO

#5 May 18, 2012
northsider wrote:
youre dumb as hell and probably have never seen an actual "ghetto" and if you think springfields anywhere close to one the hop in my truck and let me take you for a ride
Obviously you're dumb, because Springfield does not have a ghetto is exactly what I was saying. And the snotty attitude about seeing an "actual ghetto" as if it's a privledge isn't very smart either.
Frasocrass Mallory

Pilot Grove, MO

#6 May 18, 2012
aur56 wrote:
Black or white makes no difference in whether a neighborhood is bad or not. It's about the quality of people, the drug crimes, domestic abuse etc. that makes a bad neighborhood.
When talking about a poor neighborhood, whether it's black or white makes all the difference. Poor black people are VIOLENT. There's no way around that. Any sizeable town or city where a significant number of poor black people live is a place with a high rate of violent crime, especially the ultimate - homicide. Poor white people are much more civilized and while their neighborhoods have their relative problems, they're nothing compared to a poor black neighborhood.

Compare Springfield's (which is vast majority white) crime stats to even a smaller town with a significant black population and you'll see that the town with black people even if it's smaller will have a much higher homicide rate. Always.

Springfield: http://www.city-data.com/city/Springfield-Mis...

Topeka (Topeka's smaller than Springfield, which makes it even worse): http://www.city-data.com/city/Topeka-Kansas.h...

Council Bluffs, IA (poor white town next to Omaha): http://www.city-data.com/city/Council-Bluffs-...

East St. Louis, IL (poor black town next to St. Louis, and half the size of Council Bluffs): http://www.city-data.com/city/East-St.-Louis-...

And Little Rock and Wichita aren't much bigger than Springfield, but their homicide rate is also off the charts compared to Springfield - BECAUSE they have a significant black population. You can search high and low, but you will not find a vast majority white town with a high murder rate. It ALWAYS correlates with a significant black population.
G-Grant

United States

#7 May 19, 2012
Seriously? Poor white people? What difference does color make?!?!? In any case, Springfield is not without problems. If Springfield has an inner city middle school, I am working there. There is a lot of poverty in this area...white, black, and everyone else. A lot of kids have parent(s) in prison, are in foster care, or just don't have jobs and money. There is a lot of meth addiction in this area. Actually, I think the whites out-number any other race in that arena. And, although we don't have a ghetto, exactly, we have rougher areas of town. But, Springfield, and surrounding area, is still one of the safest and best places to live, in my opinion!
Concerned citizen

Waterloo, IA

#8 May 19, 2012
You who people really don't want to live next to? Bigots. Everyone should be able to live in Springfield without having to deal ignorant discrimination. You should feel unwelcome here.
Frasocrass Mallory wrote:
If people
don't stop steering people away from cheaper neighborhoods, and good people keep leaving them - that is what will create bad neighborhoods. Why not just say the neighborhoods you think are "bad" or "dangerous" are cheap and humble? A place you can get a steal on a house? If you do that and people move into them, it won't be long and those neighborhoods will IMPROVE and not become ghetto. I love Springfield for the fact it doesn't have a ghetto. Springfield is blessed.
Rant from another thread:
Springfield has got to be one of the safest cities its size in the entire country. Not coincidentally, it's got to be one of, if not THE, whitest city for its size. Sure, the northwest side might be poor, but it's poor WHITE people. It's safe! Be thankful you aren't a place like Little Rock, which in terms of city population and metro population, isn't all that much bigger than Springfield, but because Little Rock has a large number of poor neighborhoods like Springfield, it's incredibly dangerous and has some of the worst crime in the nation - and that's all because it's poor neighborhoods are BLACK, not WHITE, like Springfield.
All that said, Springfield is blessed to be such a relatively large city free of a major black population! There are a handful of blacks in midtown and on the northside, but not even one neighborhoods is even 20% black. They're ALL vast-majority white. Now, I think GOOD people should take advantage of the cheap housing, not be snobby, and fix up the poorer areas and keep them safe! Because with the bad attitude of trying to say Springfield has "dangerous" neighborhoods and telling people to stay clear of them...THAT is what WILL make those neighborhoods turn bad. If nobody good ever moves to them, and all the good people leave them, you're left with a truly bad neighborhood. Springfield doesn't deserve that! I'd much rather buy up a cheap house and keep my cost of living low AND have more money to spend on other things each month. Please stop spreading the fictitious bad neighborhood nonsense about Springfield, it only hurts.
Concerned citizen

Waterloo, IA

#9 May 19, 2012
*deal with
Concerned citizen wrote:
You who people really don't want to live next to? Bigots. Everyone should be able to live in Springfield without having to deal ignorant discrimination. You should feel unwelcome here.
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G-Grant

United States

#10 May 19, 2012
"Mallory"-The vast majority of our violent crimes around here are committed by white people. And, many of them are crimes within their own family. Are you kidding me with the racist perspective?!?!? And, just for your info, I am white.
Concerned citizen

Waterloo, IA

#11 May 19, 2012
×know who... Seriously awful
Frasocrass Mallory

Pilot Grove, MO

#12 May 19, 2012
[QUOTE who="G-Grant" But, Springfield, and surrounding area, is still one of the safest and best places to live, in my opinion![/QUOTE]

That is abslutely true! I know Springfield isn't perfect, but trust me, you guys are lucky! And I'm sorry to say, but just like anywhere else, IF Springfield had a significant black population, the crime would be much worse, especially violent crime and particularly the ultimate - homicide.
Frasocrass Mallory

Pilot Grove, MO

#13 May 19, 2012
G-Grant wrote:
"Mallory"-The vast majority of our violent crimes around here are committed by white people. And, many of them are crimes within their own family. Are you kidding me with the racist perspective?!?!? And, just for your info, I am white.
That may be true, because the VAST MAJORITY of Springfield is white. Like I said, it's one of the whitest cities its size in the nation - and might actually be the whitest it's size. You guys are blessed to now have very many blacks at all. Most cities your size do, and they have much worse crime to deal with because of it. Poverty is one thing, but race makes all the difference. Places with significant black populations always have a high murder rate compared to places that don't have. It's a fact. I don't think black people should individually be treated badly, everybody is responsible for their own actions, but for some reason whenver an area is largely black, the crime is incredible, especially homicide. Blacks murder - a lot. I don't know why that is, but it sucks.
Frasocrass Mallory

Pilot Grove, MO

#14 May 19, 2012
Just look up any city the size of Springfield or even smaller that has a significant black population, and you'll see what I'm saying is true. Also, you won't find a white city, even if it does have a high rate of poverty, that stacks up to cities with large black populations when it comes to murder rates - you just won't. Blacks are violent. Whites aren't perfect, but are much more civilized and have much more respect for life. I don't know what that is, but it's true, at least in the United States. There's no reason to ignore the fact. Ignoring it won't make it better.
voter

United States

#15 May 20, 2012
I am not racist in any way but I think we're naive around here because of the racial make-up around here.We probably should compare the data from Topeka and Council Bluffs to Springfield before we knock Mallory.I feel that unemployment creates a lot of extra crime(that and meth of course).If your life is structured and you go to a job every day your statistically less likely to commit a crime than if you're home all day looking for something to complain about.
Frasocrass Mallory

Pilot Grove, MO

#16 May 20, 2012
You're right about unemployment (it's true with poverty too, to some extent).

But Council Bluffs is a white place like Springfield. But poor. Poorer than Springfield. Yet the murder rate there, like Springfield, is very low. Council Bluffs is an old town on the Iowa side of the river and part of the Omaha metro area. East St. Louis, IL is basically St. Louis's Council Bluffs equivalent. East St. Louis, however, is vast majority black. It's poor too, of course, but there crime is off the charts, especially the murder rate. It's far worse than Council Bluffs, even though it's half the population.

I do agree with you that Springfield residents who want to be politically correct and nice about race may be a bit naive, because they have the luxury of living in a city without the problems blacks bring and thus don't see it up close and personal like we do here in KC on the news and in the paper everyday. Or like folks in Topeka, Little Rock, Wichita, Fort Smith, here in Kansas City, or in St. Louis, Memphis, etc. etc. do.

NW Arkansas is like Springfield though. Very white, and probably wealthier. But still friendly to poorer folks, who are decent hardworking people. They have it great there.

NW Arkansas experienced sundown towns and ran all the blacks out a very long time ago before they actually became a plague...unjustly. But it paid off. I don't know the history of SW MO very well, but I wouldn't be surprised that the same thing happened there.

Springfield is blessed.

But again, I want to say I don't think black people should be treated poorly or different. But as a group, they are largely troubled. It rattles my brain trying to figure out why they are so violent and why they fill our prisons and committ the murders in this country so disproportiantely.
Frasocrass Mallory

Pilot Grove, MO

#17 May 20, 2012
....I always thought much of the problem is how they were treated in this country in the past. But then I learned African immigrants from Africa are causing problems in the same disproportionate way in England. I still think their past here is part of the problem, but it doesn't explain it completely.

This may sound deeply racist, and maybe it is, but I'm not sure it's untrue. But if you think about it, Africa is far behind most of the rest of the world in development, societal advancement, etc. and so people who were sold or stolen from the shores of Africa and brought to this country that is FAR advanced from where they came from, with people who mostly come from Europe which is thousands of years advanced....well, I think that may have something to do with it. If you pluck tribal Africans out of their normal environment and plop them in a society so much more advanced, can you expect them to do well? Interestingly, Abraham Lincoln once entertained the idea of deporting freed slaves to a new colony specifically for them in S America. Of course, that never happened. But it'd be interesting to know why he even considered that. There are many, many highly-educated, professional blacks, but it seems that even they have a unique wild hair and perhaps a lower threshold for "losing it" and acting wild.
Frasocrass Mallory

Pilot Grove, MO

#18 May 20, 2012
Another problem with unemployment and blacks is that most black areas are Democrat strongholds. Poor blacks need jobs and the prosperity it brings more than anybody. But one problem is that companies don't want to go there because the Democrat political climate puts a collar on them with so many regulations, taxes, and calls for unionization, etc. and so jobs avoid those areas like the plague. In that regard, I think Democrats and working against the interest of blacks. But also you have the problem with the fact so many blacks make horrible employees and there's no real way to distinguish the best in an application process to choose who to hire. Unless they go on to college, it's just difficult to tell, which is said and really that applies to everybody. The HS diploma doesn't mean anything anymore in employers eyes because people are just pushed through, even if they don't work through and earn their diploma. It's a mess. It seems now even college degrees are beginning to be effected in the same way - they still provide a better indication that somebody is competent and can at least read and write, but the system is being dumbed down.
Frasocrass Mallory

Pilot Grove, MO

#19 May 20, 2012
Many young black been are emotionally very immature, and just make poor employees, it's terrible. They need jobs, but companies are leery. I think the emotional immaturity/retardation is one of the reasons why they are so trigger happy too and will take another person's life for something that in reality is really stupid - just to prove a point.
Cassie

Springfield, MO

#20 Jun 6, 2012
I agree with everything that you have said Mallory. I am married to a black, and he even agrees with this. Then again, he isn't considered "poor" and his small family has never been in trouble either. But he read all of this and agrees that the poor cities with a vast majority of blacks are the worst and he can't stand that.
Frasocrass Mallory

Pilot Grove, MO

#21 Jun 8, 2012
Cassie wrote:
I agree with everything that you have said Mallory. I am married to a black, and he even agrees with this. Then again, he isn't considered "poor" and his small family has never been in trouble either. But he read all of this and agrees that the poor cities with a vast majority of blacks are the worst and he can't stand that.
That's cool. Him being black, I bet the disproportionate amount of homicides committed by black men perplexes and rattles his mind even more than it does me. I just don't get it.

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