Three missing women at Cox South

Since: Jul 12

#1185 Aug 16, 2012
charles tuna wrote:
<quoted text>you are absoluty right.they had to be tailed all night. ph.calls.i wonder.....someone called in the complaint KNOWING the party would break up,therefore,causing the girls to be mobile again.they were manipulated all night.if they're not putting the thumbscrews on someone,they need to be.,but of course,this is america.people have due process. people have rights. have you ever heard of rex 84? if not, just type it in.
I just typed this in. OMG everyone needs to read about REX 84. It's almost to scary to talk about. I probably won't sleep much tonight as my mind is just spinning.
Sial

Luxembourg

#1186 Aug 16, 2012
Richard wrote:
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Do you think it was possible that one person subdued all three women? Or did he have help?
one. he wanted streeter. it was her pics he took from the frames.
shake it up

United States

#1187 Aug 16, 2012
hey tuna wrote:
Think about what Dog Man was saying. Who would know those details besides one of the murdered women or one or the murderers? Dog Man is just making stuff up. Carnahan may have been involved in the f*ckin' but he wasn't in town when the girls were taken.
Fu**ing? Really? I'm sorry I must have missed the newsflash that stated " subduing & raping a woman/women was changed, it's now called fu**ing".
shake it down

Springfield, MO

#1188 Aug 16, 2012
wah
Richard
#1192 Aug 17, 2012
Sial wrote:
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one. he wanted streeter. it was her pics he took from the frames.
I thought it was a family picture including all family members in happier times. My memory must be failing me in my old age.(One will grow old waiting for this crime to be solved!)
Richard
#1193 Aug 17, 2012
sial wrote:
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news reports said that the cops said it would take the girls 15 min to get from the party house to 1717. so not close but since the girls had just left a party that got busted, then they might think the cop was there for them for some reason. cop poser wouldn't hafta know the girls were at a party that got busted. would have worked in his favor though and been a lucky break.
This confuses me. The busted party was on Hanover Street which would easily be within 15 minutes of 1717 Delmar. But they left there to go back to Battlefield some 57 blocks to the west. That would have put them back there about 2:00 AM at the earliest. And it was about 12 miles from there to 1717 Delmar. Janelle's mother said she looked at her alarm clock and the girls were heard leaving at 2:20 AM. By my reckoning they should have arrived at 1717 Delmar about 2:50 AM.

So the upshot is that I'm not clear about is why it would take 15 minutes to get from the Hanover address to 1717 Delmar since they didn't go that way. Can you help me to understand this better? I've heard about this party from the early days and people keep discussing it. All I can remember is the loud noise and beer cans in the streets. But they didn't go directly to the Delmar address.

I'm so confused.
Dog Man

West Columbia, SC

#1194 Aug 17, 2012
Were the police uniforms stolen from Glo Cleaners for male or female officers? Could they have been worn by either male or female? Were they stolen from the business via a break-in [what else was stolen] or did they just disappear from the store inexplicably after being brought in for cleaning [pilfered]? Obviously they can be used for criminal activity in plain sight.
SuZ
#1195 Aug 17, 2012
No teenager ever intends to home go home on grad night OR to wear the type of outfit ones parents would approve of to get out the door.
The later the night, the older the people, the less clothes an 18 year old will be wearing. Trust me and they wont be the ones good ol'mom buys either.
If strict child used wild moms child as a cover as to where she would be ... the 2 am outting was to score or hook up with someone that had.
SuZ
#1196 Aug 17, 2012
The hardcore groups around here capable of what happened would never have given an 18 year old enough insight into anything they felt could compromise anthing they were involved with. Those guys play games ... you never know who is who or who is doing what and when. You wanted to know what happened .. pretty sure you were told.
SuZs

United States

#1197 Aug 17, 2012
I did watch a more indepth clip on this for the first time.
I know many people in this saga.
Baird will only be told what someone wants her to know ....
I know 3 Robert Cox that lived here during that time. One I know was in the Army.
No I did not know Suzi had lived with an older brother as opposed to her mother. A brother that admits to living at a level of addiction.
The 18 year old grave yard boys plead guilty .. that charge wouldnt be something someone is killed over. BUT the business
cant say

Nixa, MO

#1198 Aug 17, 2012
you all are off base again ( steven eugene garrison ) ricky eugene dykes , and glennon paul sweet were all galloopping goose m.c.,( the head one being sweet ,.....reference -(THE HIGHS AND LOWS OF METH IN THE OZARKS ) BY FRANK OWEN ,.........and now there is no one discussed on this case that admits to doing it except ( dykes ) he says he done it and why , and where , his wife says he done it , his sons say he done it , his sisters and brothers in law , nieces and nephews ,.....say he done it , his next door neighbor says he done it , his friends say he done it , and down the line ,not only that but ( gerald carnahan ) who hung with this group openly bragged of his exploits ( at the back party 40 ), that being glennon paul sweets property , gerald bragged about cutting suzys left breast and its been witnessed by several that he done so , the bragging even down to the left breast ,.....(you may confirm this by asking kathy baird ), secondly you may review ( dykes on case.net ) and see that at various time ( dykes ) was served papers at ( p.o.e.) place of employment , this serves to verify ( the carnahan -dykes ) relationship , you( MUST UNDERSTAND), that upon judy dykes death bed, she told how she along with lots of other girls would be taken to the club , drugged and used for days and days , abused in every way , and only by , the grace of god were allowed to live to tell about it , the propery that every witness says the girls were taken to was ( sweets -who shot the highway patrol officer on hwy 60 ,....with sweet being in prison , no one but a fellow goose would touch that property ,.........remember that ,.no one ,.........and you all want to believe that garriosn told the police to search at the robb farm ,......a mile away ,...thats bullshit and you know it ,...the police took garrison out of jail , and put him in a hotel to discuss the case ,.....all the while knowing that garrison had (broken out of a kansas jail ),......the police knew the group that took the women ------PERIOD -----, THATS WHAT THEY KNEW ,.....garrison didn't talk , he escaped and raped and beat nearly to death a young co-ed on campus ,.......then the police were left looking like girl scouts , selling cookies ,........the whole story on ( the robb farm ) was made up , either by garrison to buy time or the police to cover there ass , the whole time the location that they was taken was ----8641 e fr 134 stafford mo ,.owned by billy dykes ,.......( a name search shows him in prison with 2013 release date ,....) that being rickys brother dannys son ,.....there was another attemped kidnapping that ricky and danny tryed to do together in broad daylight and got ran off , 3 miles awy from there at the james river on hwy 125 ,( the verification is with the police affidavit , signed aug -2011 , by a relative of dykes )
Sial

Netherlands

#1201 Aug 17, 2012
Richard wrote:
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This confuses me. The busted party was on Hanover Street which would easily be within 15 minutes of 1717 Delmar. But they left there to go back to Battlefield some 57 blocks to the west. That would have put them back there about 2:00 AM at the earliest. And it was about 12 miles from there to 1717 Delmar. Janelle's mother said she looked at her alarm clock and the girls were heard leaving at 2:20 AM. By my reckoning they should have arrived at 1717 Delmar about 2:50 AM.
So the upshot is that I'm not clear about is why it would take 15 minutes to get from the Hanover address to 1717 Delmar since they didn't go that way. Can you help me to understand this better? I've heard about this party from the early days and people keep discussing it. All I can remember is the loud noise and beer cans in the streets. But they didn't go directly to the Delmar address.
I'm so confused.
who would know where they went after they left kirbys and before they got to 1717.
Sial

Los Angeles, CA

#1202 Aug 17, 2012
kreamedcorn wrote:
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Thats the thing it hasn't been kept quiet I worked in Marshfield where the names Francis Robb Sr., Richard Evans and the whole Robb/Evans clan was kinda infamous. I know people who would swear on their first born Robb/Evan's envolvement but would never tell the police what they know. The Robb and Evans family are still very much around the Webster county area and to all accounts still mean as hell and still with their influence on people that may have been present or involved. "Don't want to end up hog food!" A phrase I've heard many times those names were mentioned.
robbs/evans clan wanna keep the trash talk going. they dont care what people think. hog food threat is a good way to keep people under their thumb. if people fear them then people obey them. it doesnt mean robbs/evans were involved in the abduction of the three women.
just an observer

Nixa, MO

#1203 Aug 17, 2012
Sial wrote:
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robbs/evans clan wanna keep the trash talk going. they dont care what people think. hog food threat is a good way to keep people under their thumb. if people fear them then people obey them. it doesnt mean robbs/evans were involved in the abduction of the three women.
I agree with you Sial. Certainly this type of group talks a lot of bs to keep their "reputation" in tact. The possibility does exist that the perp/s is not someone even talked about in these groups/forums. Perhaps he/they flew so very low under the radar and that's the reason they haven't been discovered. People say the police "know" who did it. If they absolutely knew, someone would be in jail. And it is possible that what the police "know" is not even correct at all.
Richard

Little Rock, AR

#1204 Aug 17, 2012
Sial wrote:
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who would know where they went after they left kirbys and before they got to 1717.
They wouldn't except we can extrapolate that if they went anywhere else it tends to indicate they wouldn't have come home and then "normally" prepared for bed, removing their make-up, etc., and so forth.
We know according to Jannelle that she started calling quite early that morning (going on memory), and there was no answer. Consequently she and her bf went to the house and found no one home.
Sunrise began at 5:22 AM that Sunday morning. If they did leave the Kirby residence at 2:20 AM there was only about a 2.5 hour window of opportunity to get into the house and prepare for bed before being abducted and not seen outside. On the other hand, if they went elsewhere they would have had little to no time to prepare for bed unless we are to believe that someone (the perp(s) perhaps) prepped the house to make it appear that the girls had arrived home.(which seems unlikely) We do, however, have the small problem of getting both cars to the residence. That requires at least two people, most logically the girls, the have driven them there. Taking into account the time they would have had to exit the cars, remove personal effects and the time frame grows narrower still; almost impossible because of the increasing daylight. If any activity was going on after 5:22 AM, the perp(s) and the women would have been seen by passers-by unless we are to believe that no street or pedestrian traffic happened that morning.
If you don't agree with this scenario, I would be interested in your take on what happened. Just for reference these are the actual times that sunrise would have occurred.
"Civil Sunlight" 5:22 AM
"Nautical Sunlight" 4:44 AM
"Aeronautical Sunlight" 4:01 AM
Civil twilight can also be described as the limit at which twilight illumination is sufficient, under clear weather conditions, for terrestrial objects to be clearly distinguished.
Therefore, I deduce that the abductions had to have occurred between 2:50 AM and 5:22 AM. The corollary is that the women had to have gone straight home from the Kirby residence in order for the abductions to have taken place.
The only way this could not obtain would be if the cars were "delivered" to the house by the perp(s).
My personal guestimate is that the abductions took place at about 4:30 AM that morning.(Which incidentally throws into question of the "porch lady's" account which didn't take place until about 6 AM that morning.)
cant say

Nixa, MO

#1206 Aug 17, 2012
you'll notice i never mentioned robb and evans ,.........however to futher offer evidence ,( the split window dodge van searched for for so long , belonged to dykes and a copy of the photo is with the police ,.........i have the master copy ,.........the problem is all of these disappearances are all connected ,.......( from the girl scout little shirley rose ,...thanks to the fletcher boys ,both galloopping gooses ...and .then of course gerald carnahan killed jackie johns in ( 1985 ) d.n.a. later proves it , its notable that jackie johns briefly worked for carnahan .........reference ( article sep 24 2010 , interview with les johns and elmer lewis ,........( 1987 )..debbie lewis last seen with gerald carnahan ,and terry walker , along with david german and friends at lindburghs in willard mo , debbies father said debbie partied with carnahan and friends at river access points .......her body was found south of neosho and a man from anderson mo , was questioned , david german ,......advance to 1989 and terry walker the ex-boyfriend of debbie lewis is opening the dogwood store on highway 14 ,....kelle anne workman is hired onjune 17 to work there , and , before the grand opening on the 1st of july , kelle is gone on the 30th of june 1989 ,.....written statement by a telephone lineman , recorded by the highway patrol and referenced on page 59 -missing or murdered in mkissouri ,(quote ) gerald carnahad was at the dogwood store " ..........on saturday the next day a man from kansas was arrested at the dogwood store -quote " who showed uo possessing drug paraphernalia " .....see that on page 71 of missing or murdered in mkissouri ,.....in talks with the deputys most remember the man as steven garrison ,.........gerald carnahan also reserfaces with an attemped kidnapping of heather starky as she was walking home on ingram mill road ,( carnahan was convicted and sentenced to 2 years on this attack , most all reports that i get state that she had just put in an application for employment with ( p.f.i.) and was walking home ,.........that aside carnahan used a rental car driven by an employee ,.....who immediately proclaimed himself high up in the church and not knowing what carnahan was going to do ,........bullshit ,....this girl survived by the grace of god only ,........this was 1993 ,.........so 1985 jackie johns , 1987 debbie lewis , 1992 ( suzy stacy and sherly ) and 19943 heather starky ,.........in 1991 the newsleader ran an article suggesting a serial killer was operating in the area ,.........kelle anne workmans parents have worked the case for years , and as a result a clever looking non active bomb was placed in the driveway of the workmans ,.........another lead is documented ( and revealed on page 67 missing )......a woman from the west coast with a boyfriend in the area showed up at kelles funeral asking if the family knew anything ,........we now know that ricky dykes traveled to california and forced ant poison down the throat of his seperated wife ,....not judy dykes another )
Sial

Germany

#1207 Aug 17, 2012
Anyone know why my post #1205 is missing? it wasnt abusive or inflamatory. it was in response to richards post about sunrise.
Richard

Little Rock, AR

#1209 Aug 17, 2012
Sial wrote:
Anyone know why my post #1205 is missing? it wasnt abusive or inflamatory. it was in response to richards post about sunrise.
Probably some kind of filter caught and flagged it. What was the essence of what you said? What I said about sunrise is compiled in official calculators available on the internet.
Sial

┼kersberga, Sweden

#1210 Aug 17, 2012
Richard wrote:
<quoted text>Probably some kind of filter caught and flagged it. What was the essence of what you said? What I said about sunrise is compiled in official calculators available on the internet.
that there was a porch light and a yard light. the yard was lit up. passerby would be able to see any activity. no passerby saw anything. which was lucky for the kidnapper. it didnt matter what time the sun rose that day cuz the yard was lit anyway.
Richard

Little Rock, AR

#1211 Aug 17, 2012
You can find the tables here:

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/RST_defs.php

Note that this is not 'true' sunrise but "civil sunrise" where objects can be seen prior to the sun actual "rising." For example tomorrow morning something could be distinguished at 6:05 CDT.

If you live in Springfield you should be able to drive by the formerly Levitt home tomorrow at 6:05 CDT and make out with normal vision anything occurring at this time. You need not wait until the sun actually "rises" over the horizon.

Bottom line is that this crime almost certainly had to have occurred between the hours of 4:30 AM (accounting for he girls to have arrived, undressed, taken off their make-up and gone to bed) and 5:00 AM otherwise the commotion and movement would have set off alarm bells in the neighborhood. I would suspect strongly that there is or were witnesses to what took place that morning who have yet to come forth.

My personal opinion is that the van backed up to the porch, loaded the women into the side doors and drove south out of the open driveway turned right, going west to Kentwood, turned north to Grand, turned right and crossed over Glenstone and out of town. That's the logical way to go. I believe we can safely assume that whoever did this evil deed was greatly concerned with getting out of Dodge in a big hurry.

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