Three missing women at Cox South
JPT

Omaha, NE

#205 Jun 28, 2009
Richard wrote:
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Actually it works just fine. Several cases have been solved using this same technology.
If they were willing to dig in Cassville it was probably because they knew nothing was there. They also probably know there is something beneath the garage which is why they won't dig.
Smells like a cover-up to me. Who is being protected?
Give me a break listen to yourself. You are completely out of your mind talking like that. You are jumping in there about corruption that you have no proof of. There was never a clear cut suspect in this case, never a motive established. You need to read up on cold cases and see it is no unusual for them not to be solved right away. This is pointless to talk to someone that wont open there mind.
Richard

Humble, TX

#206 Jun 28, 2009
JPT wrote:
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Give me a break listen to yourself. You are completely out of your mind talking like that. You are jumping in there about corruption that you have no proof of. There was never a clear cut suspect in this case, never a motive established. You need to read up on cold cases and see it is no unusual for them not to be solved right away. This is pointless to talk to someone that wont open there mind.
I've studied this subject for longer than you have lived. In most criminal cases, the cops know who did the crime long before the case is brought to trial. That is, if the cops are competent or if they are honest. We have no proof of either. In my opinion this case was never intended to be solved. We have the Chief of Police and two top prosecutors lambasting the cops for their outrageous breach of protocol. The cops were seemingly more interested in making a spectacle of themselves than they were ever interested in solving this case. Bawling and squawling like little children about how they couldn't sleep while three women lie dead. How outrageous. And no justice. That's unforgivable.

If they want to lift this cloud of suspicion they should simply drill the inspection hole. Several of us have offered to pay for it at no cost to the taxpayers. They didn't have any trouble spending thousands of taxpayer dollars for dry holes and bogus leads. Yet they refuse the proven bona fides of Norland and proven technology they are inexplicably stonewalling the drilling. Why? As I said, it has all the earmarks of a cover-up. Who is being protected?

Another day and no solution. There never will be until this bunch is cleared out and a serious investigation takes place by the Missouri State Highway Patrol.

Governor Nixon: Please do your constitutional duty and seize this case from the local cops and give it to people who know how to solve cases. The local bunch will never solve it.
JPT

Omaha, NE

#207 Jun 29, 2009
Richard wrote:
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I've studied this subject for longer than you have lived. In most criminal cases, the cops know who did the crime long before the case is brought to trial. That is, if the cops are competent or if they are honest. We have no proof of either. In my opinion this case was never intended to be solved. We have the Chief of Police and two top prosecutors lambasting the cops for their outrageous breach of protocol. The cops were seemingly more interested in making a spectacle of themselves than they were ever interested in solving this case. Bawling and squawling like little children about how they couldn't sleep while three women lie dead. How outrageous. And no justice. That's unforgivable.
If they want to lift this cloud of suspicion they should simply drill the inspection hole. Several of us have offered to pay for it at no cost to the taxpayers. They didn't have any trouble spending thousands of taxpayer dollars for dry holes and bogus leads. Yet they refuse the proven bona fides of Norland and proven technology they are inexplicably stonewalling the drilling. Why? As I said, it has all the earmarks of a cover-up. Who is being protected?
Another day and no solution. There never will be until this bunch is cleared out and a serious investigation takes place by the Missouri State Highway Patrol.
Governor Nixon: Please do your constitutional duty and seize this case from the local cops and give it to people who know how to solve cases. The local bunch will never solve it.
Longer than i have lived. lol Whatevah. I am not wasting my time on you anymore. Its like a pissing match with a skunk. So go on spreading rumors. People like you have been the problem since the start.
Richard

Humble, TX

#208 Jun 29, 2009
JPT wrote:
<quoted text> Longer than i have lived. lol Whatevah. I am not wasting my time on you anymore. Its like a pissing match with a skunk. So go on spreading rumors. People like you have been the problem since the start.
Yeah, we're the ones who have spent 17 years doing nothing. Yup! We're the problem all right.

I asked you to produce one positive thing that has come out of this investigation. But I'm not going to hold my breath forever.

Frankly I don't even know what you are talking about. What "rumors" have I spread? I've just exercised my free right under our constitution to speak my mind about an unresponsive police bureaucracy. That's not spreading rumors. That's spreading truth.
Ken

Canton, MI

#209 Jun 29, 2009
I remember reading article in which Retired Major Steve Ijames said something to the effect about how the spot at the parking garage needed to make sense. If it does, he would drive the back hoe.

The problem is that the anomaly is underneath the first floor ramp of the parking garage. I am not a construction expert, but I believe it would be much easier to use a jack hammer.

At the risk of stating the obvious, construction began on the Parking Garage sometime around September 1993, fifteen months after the women were first reported missing. If the Parking Garage were built BEFORE the women were reported missing, the anomaly at the Parking Garage could be safely ruled out. But it wasn't. It was built AFTER the women were reported missing. It is plausible that is could be them. This is how it makes sense.

There are 3 missing women and there are 3 anomalies at the parking garage. What I find baffling that NOBODY wants to know what is there. NOBODY finds this to be suspicious. It's not just the Police Department. It's the City of Springfield, The Mayor's Office, The Springfield City Council, The Prosecuting Attorney's office, The Hospital Board Members, The Families, you name it. It's almost becoming a bigger mystery than when the women first disappeared.

We do know there are 3 organic objects underneath the concrete because the City of Springfield told Kathee Baird this. Again, at the risk of stating the obvious, the operative number here is "3". Not one. Not two. But Three. And yet, nothing is suspicious...
Richard

Humble, TX

#210 Jun 30, 2009
Ken wrote:
I remember reading article in which Retired Major Steve Ijames said something to the effect about how the spot at the parking garage needed to make sense. If it does, he would drive the back hoe.
The problem is that the anomaly is underneath the first floor ramp of the parking garage. I am not a construction expert, but I believe it would be much easier to use a jack hammer.
At the risk of stating the obvious, construction began on the Parking Garage sometime around September 1993, fifteen months after the women were first reported missing. If the Parking Garage were built BEFORE the women were reported missing, the anomaly at the Parking Garage could be safely ruled out. But it wasn't. It was built AFTER the women were reported missing. It is plausible that is could be them. This is how it makes sense.
There are 3 missing women and there are 3 anomalies at the parking garage. What I find baffling that NOBODY wants to know what is there. NOBODY finds this to be suspicious. It's not just the Police Department. It's the City of Springfield, The Mayor's Office, The Springfield City Council, The Prosecuting Attorney's office, The Hospital Board Members, The Families, you name it. It's almost becoming a bigger mystery than when the women first disappeared.
We do know there are 3 organic objects underneath the concrete because the City of Springfield told Kathee Baird this. Again, at the risk of stating the obvious, the operative number here is "3". Not one. Not two. But Three. And yet, nothing is suspicious...
Thank you Ken, for stating the obvious truth. I would add this. Why were the cops so anxious to dig where the women were NOT buried but so unwilling and obstinate about digging where they ARE buried? Norland's credentials are impeccable.

There are bodies beneath that concrete. The only rational reason I can think of why they won't dig is because they know they will find those bodies or other bodies and will have to spend less time at the local donut shop and feeling sorry for themselves. They might actually have to do their jobs for a change and stop waiting for the perps to walk in the front door and surrender themselves.

And just think, if they dug and found nothing they could rightly claim that their detractors are full of it. But since they won't dig the logical deduction is that they know the truth. The bodies are there. Who is being protected?

I'll also state the obvious. The fact that they are buried under the garage, built after the women were abducted means absolutely nothing in the way of proving they couldn't be there. Bodies are moved all the time. Concrete pours are done all the time early in the morning before it gets hot and the concrete starts to set up early in hot noonday sun. The bodies could have been refrigerated and then merely taken out and redeposited under the new concrete floor in a few minutes and there they reside to the current day.

Who is being protected?
Ken

Canton, MI

#211 Jul 6, 2009
Richard, "Who is being protected?" is the $64,000 question.

The News-Leader is not allowed to do a story on the Parking Garage. They were told they can't do it. However, they did do the next best thing and they published a "Letter to the Editor" last year from a Springfield Citizen. It would appear that Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press are constitutional rights that are NOT granted in Springfield, Missouri.

Interestingly, every section of the Parking Garage has a Concrete Pour Report, except for one. The section that contains the 3 organic objects. What a surprise! I wrote The Office of Sara Lampe at the Missouri State Capital a while back. Her office forwarded this information to the FBI for review. Her Office contacted the Springfield Police Department. They told Sara Lampe's office that they didn't believe there were 3 sets of remains underneath the concrete.

So, the City of Springfield told Kathee Baird there are "3 organic objects" underneath the concrete at the Parking Garage. There is no record of a Concrete Pour Report for the spot that contains the "3 organic objects". It's conveniently missing, just like the women. The Springfield News Leader is not allowed to do a story on the Parking Garage. And yet, the SPD told Sara Lampe's Office they didn't believe there were 3 sets of remains underneath the concrete.

And yet, nothing is amiss...
Richard

Humble, TX

#212 Jul 6, 2009
Ken wrote:
Richard, "Who is being protected?" is the $64,000 question.
The News-Leader is not allowed to do a story on the Parking Garage. They were told they can't do it. However, they did do the next best thing and they published a "Letter to the Editor" last year from a Springfield Citizen. It would appear that Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press are constitutional rights that are NOT granted in Springfield, Missouri.
Interestingly, every section of the Parking Garage has a Concrete Pour Report, except for one. The section that contains the 3 organic objects. What a surprise! I wrote The Office of Sara Lampe at the Missouri State Capital a while back. Her office forwarded this information to the FBI for review. Her Office contacted the Springfield Police Department. They told Sara Lampe's office that they didn't believe there were 3 sets of remains underneath the concrete.
So, the City of Springfield told Kathee Baird there are "3 organic objects" underneath the concrete at the Parking Garage. There is no record of a Concrete Pour Report for the spot that contains the "3 organic objects". It's conveniently missing, just like the women. The Springfield News Leader is not allowed to do a story on the Parking Garage. And yet, the SPD told Sara Lampe's Office they didn't believe there were 3 sets of remains underneath the concrete.
And yet, nothing is amiss...
Based on your information, if it is accurate, one can only conclude that this investigation is stymied in order to protect someone(s). I've never heard of how the local newspaper is prohibited from writing about something like this. There must be some high and mighty muckity mucks who are pulling the strings to keep that coring from being done.
Where is the governor on this? He could cut through this snow job and pull that case from the local cops and give it to a legitimate police organization, the Missouri Highway Patrol. They actually solve cases unlike the "Inspector Clouseaus" at the SPD.
UHOK

Des Moines, IA

#213 Jul 6, 2009
I was told that Suzie Streeters mom was having an affair with a married SPD at the time of their disappearance. I have heard so many rumors over the years about everything from Randy Little to JQH. It is really sad I think because I knew both girls thru association of mutual friends. Who knows what is true and what is not. I just wish it was solved and over.
Who is the detective on this case these days anyway?
Richard

Humble, TX

#214 Jul 6, 2009
UHOK wrote:
I was told that Suzie Streeters mom was having an affair with a married SPD at the time of their disappearance. I have heard so many rumors over the years about everything from Randy Little to JQH. It is really sad I think because I knew both girls thru association of mutual friends. Who knows what is true and what is not. I just wish it was solved and over.
Who is the detective on this case these days anyway?
The last I heard it was some officer by the name of Eutsler. But personally, I don't think anyone is working the case. At one time Owen was the lead investigator but he seemingly stonewalled the garage floor lead. Personally, I would just bypass all of these guys and go straight to the top of the food chain. But I doubt if anyone will talk about it. Either they are ashamed (as they should be) of their lack of progress or they are protecting someone. Either one works for me. For sure the case will never be solved so long as they have it. The governor needs to step in and stop this farce.
question

Greenwood, IN

#215 Jul 6, 2009
What proof is there? What led anyone to this garage to begin with?
Richard

Humble, TX

#216 Jul 6, 2009
question wrote:
What proof is there? What led anyone to this garage to begin with?
It doesn't really matter. All that matters is that three bodies are buried there and the police are stonewalling for unknown reasons the coring of the concrete already guaranteed by numerous people including myself. I've already written the check. The cost is nominal and would quickly resolve the case and prove them correct if no bodies were there. But they dare not do that because it would establish their insincerity about solving the case.

They are either covering it up or trying the death of a thousand cuts on the actual perps who are wondering if the cops will actually come clean and do what they should have done years ago. The police statement that hey have spent hundreds or thousands of hours "investigating" this tip is just pure, unadulterated spin.

The test conducted by Norland, having impeccable credentials, proves conclusively that three bodies are there. So if the cops are not playing some kind of game, then they necessarily have to be protecting some one(s). This would obviously mean that there something rotten going on, if true. The ball is in the cop's court. Why won't they core? Their excuse is ludicrous.

This is why the governor should immediately seize the case from the local cops since they evidently refuse to work the case. For that matter even to discuss the case as told to me by a local reporter. That should tell anyone all they need to know.
Ken

Canton, MI

#217 Jul 11, 2009
I read somewhere that Life is meant to be lived, not understood. I think that philosophy applies here. For example, we don't know exactly how Tim Gray found the anomaly at the Parking Garage. We don't know why Nobody wants to dig. However, the Parking Garage story is a great story. I have recently suggested to my partners (Kathee, Alex, Bonnie, & others) that maybe we should work on writing our story. We can hire a ghost writer to put it all together. If you get a chance, check out what I did with my website. When you click on the link, it will take you to a scene from a movie. www.threemissingwomen.com
missourigal1954

Columbia, MO

#218 Jul 20, 2009
can we say "dirty cops"?
missourigal1954

Columbia, MO

#219 Jul 20, 2009
the three missing women case,brings me back to my grandfathers missing person case.he disappeared from hugo,oklahoma under mysterious circumstances.
he disappeared march/16/1937 his disappearance was investigated by the F.B.I for a while then the case went cold.he,s never been found,the currency he was carrying from the ford dealership he owned was never found,the vehicle he was driving was never found.noone is willing to take another look at the case,i,ve written letters to the hugo police department,i,ve sent letters to most wanted,unsolved mysteries.i know what the families in the three missing women case are going through,it,s the not knowing what happened.
the only way those women would have gone with someone is if it was someone they trusted,someone that they knew.i feel that the reason why the springfield police are stone walling is maybe there was some involvement with the spfd police.cops have been known to turn into bad cops,maybe it was true that sheryl levitt was seeing a married cop,maybe she was going to spill the beans to his wife,maybe he stopped her before she had a chance to tell his wife.just a theory.nine times out of ten a crime is done against someone by someone who knows the victim,it is done by someone that they trusted.if i was stacy,s mother i would be frantic i,d be going out and searching,why doesn,t stacy,s mother pay for the dig in the parking garage at cox? stacy,s mother is a dental technician right? well i would think she makes enough to help pay for the dig.if i were her i would want to know.i too lived in springfield when this first happened.springfield will never be safe for women until the perpetrators are caught and put behind bars where they can never do this to another woman again.i wonder,who ever did this against the three missing women,do you sleep good at night? same goes out to my grandfathers abductors,do you sleep good at night?
Ken

Canton, MI

#220 Aug 8, 2009
My website is back up and running with a new look to it. Please check it out. www.threemissingwomen.com
missourigal1954

Columbia, MO

#221 Aug 9, 2009
Ken wrote:
My website is back up and running with a new look to it. Please check it out. www.threemissingwomen.com
i still think that there may be some involvement by the springfield police.that is my theory and contention.that is why they won,t do the dig! HELLO! WHO BEST TO TRUST BUT A COP! HELLO!
Chris

United States

#222 Aug 27, 2009
Were the police thorough enough to sweep every gas station within a 30 mile radius for credit card receipts and security camera footage? I always wondered if that had been done.
Suz

United States

#223 Aug 28, 2009
Anyone notice the missing 11 year old girl that is being reunited with her family 17/18 years later. Wonder if they already bought the tombstone?
Richard

Palestine, TX

#224 Aug 28, 2009
Yes, I noticed. And the kidnapper also fathered two children by her as well. It will probably not turn out very well in the end as she is probably psychologically scarred for life. In the 3MW case it will only provide further excuses for the cops to drag their heels some more. These women will never turn up alive. They were murdered in 1992. And the guy that did it is likely cooling his heels in Texas. But who was he connected to, if anyone, in Springfield?

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