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#8252 Apr 30, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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That's not really accurate. One side is supported by almost every honest scientist in the world. The other side is supported by scientists who are PAID to support a predetermined stance paid for by big-oil and coal interests who stand to gain substantially by getting people to believe their propaganda.
That's quite the difference.
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LOL - I know you do. I understand. But you're ultimately going to be disappointed. You're not right, you just hate Obama with a passion for reasons that go beyond logic and reality.
Your first paragraph is proof of your liberal: "I am a right fighter. I am "always" right." AND, you are NOT right about that.

Your last couple of sentences proves that again. You simply have not EVEN CONSIDERED that you could be wrong. Amazing. I truly don't want to try to change your mind. That would be futile. There is no changing a liberal socialist commie's mindset. Unless you and those like you are stopped, you'll see what I mean. Of course, I am thinking you'll be very happy. Everyone will be just alike. Well, NOT everyone. The rich will still be rich. The only ones hurt will be the middle class. That is happening now. Look at how many more are on the public dole now. So, you should be getting happy. More people are equal now......poor. AND, that shows I am right. So, I guess we can call that a win win for us.

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#8253 Apr 30, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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When proven facts and the consensus of the worlds scientists can't change their mind, as we've seen in this thread, you realize that they just don't care about reality. They can't be reasoned with because they have no reason.
You actually believe this HYPERBOLE you post. That is all the proof we need about you. The "world's scientists" ??????*shaking head and LAUGHING*
Obama should have hired you to work on his campaign. You speak his kind of ludicrous language.
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Dahlonega, GA

#8254 Apr 30, 2013
Synergy wrote:
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Your form of "logic" never has made much sense on this forum. This post is another one that just proves that. How can you possibly EVER find a hat to fit that WARPED head of yours?*laughing*

Logic? That's not logic, that's hyperbole.

"Hat's are Us" sells hats for people with knots on the head, grooves on the head, and for those who have a deep recessed groove in their forehead. In their store the sign says "hats for democraps."
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Dahlonega, GA

#8255 Apr 30, 2013
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The Earth has warmed – and cooled – over the past 50 years. We’ve also experienced periods of “unusual” weather and “normal” weather, more frequent and intense storms and droughts, less frequent and less severe storms and droughts. However, I don’t agree that humans are responsible, or that climate change is becoming dangerous or catastrophic.

CO2 is a trace gas, but without it life on earth would be impossible. Carbon dioxide fertilizes algae, trees and crops, to provide food for humans and animals. We inhale oxygen and exhale CO2. Slightly higher atmospheric CO2 levels cannot possibly supplant the numerous complex and inter-connected forces that have always determined Earth’s climate.

As University of London professor emeritus Philip Stott has noted:“The fundamental point has always been this. Climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically-selected factor (CO2), is as misguided as it gets.”

Even the global warming activists at RealClimate.org acknowledged this in a September 20, 2008 article, where they said “The actual temperature rise is an emergent property resulting from interactions among hundreds of factors.” CO2 is not the tail that wags the dog."
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Dahlonega, GA

#8256 Apr 30, 2013
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As the real world evidence mounts that global warming claims are failing, climate activists have ramped up predictions of future climate change impacts, declaring that it is “worse than we thought.” But a prediction or projection 50-100 years into the future is not “evidence.” Recent scientific data and developments reveal that Mother Nature is playing a cruel joke on promoters of man-made climate fears. The scientific reality is that on virtually every claim – from A to Z – the claims of manmade climate disaster promoters are failing. In many instances the claims are moving in the opposite direction.

Antarctic sea ice has been at or near record extent during the past few summers and is now expanding. In 2012, Arctic sea ice hit its lowest point since satellite monitoring began in 1979, with recent ebb and flow in ice extent now known to be the result of giant storms, ocean currents and high pressure days. Polar bears are thriving across the Arctic. Sea level rise has not been accelerating.

Cholera and malaria are not related to climate change and refuse to follow global warming predictions. Mount Kilimanjaro melt fears are mocked by gains in snow cover. Global temperatures have been stable for over a decade, and many scientists are predicting global cooling is ahead. Deaths from extreme weather are declining dramatically.

Global tropical cyclone activity is near historic lows, the frequency of major U.S. hurricanes has declined, and big tornados have dramatically declined since the 1970s. In fact, 2012 is thus far the quietest tornado and quietest hurricane summer on record. Even with Hurricane Sandy, November 2012 marks the quietest long-term hurricane period since the Civil War, with one major hurricane strike on the U.S. in seven years. Droughts are not historically unusual nor caused by mankind, and there is no evidence that we are currently having unusual weather."
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Dahlonega, GA

#8257 Apr 30, 2013
"When global temperatures are the question, the answer is not the sun or CO2. It is the sun, volcanoes, tilt of the Earth’s axis, water vapor, methane, clouds, ocean cycles, plate tectonics, shifting ocean currents, albedo (Earth’s changing reflective properties), atmospheric dust, atmospheric circulation, cosmic rays, particulates like carbon soot and volcanic dust, forests and grasslands, urban and other land use changes. Climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, not just CO2."
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Dahlonega, GA

#8258 Apr 30, 2013
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The idea that there is a “scientific consensus” does not hold up. Scientists who are skeptical about “dangerous manmade climate change” have been speaking out for years. Just this year, two prominent former believers in man-made global warming announced they were reconsidering the science.

“Gaia” scientist James Lovelock had been “alarmist” about climate change for years. Now he says “The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago.”

German meteorologist Klaus-Eckart Puls also reversed his belief in man-made global warming in 2012 and called the idea CO2 can regulate climate “sheer absurdity.”“Ten years ago I simply parroted what the IPCC told us,” he said.“One day I started checking the facts and data. First I started with a sense of doubt, but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day, I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it.”

In 2010, a report documented that More Than 1000 International Scientists Dissented Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims. Many of them were former IPCC scientists. Climate scientist Mike Hulme dismantled the “thousands of scientists agree” claim put forth by the United Nations and news media. Claims that “2,500 of the world’s leading scientists have reached a consensus that human activities are having a significant influence on the climate” are disingenuous, Hulme noted. The key scientific case for CO2 driving global warming, like many others in the IPCC reports,“is reached by only a few dozen experts in the specific field of detection and attribution studies; other IPCC authors are experts in other fields.” Other scientists are excluded or not consulted.

Dr. William Schlesinger agrees with the UN climate view but has admitted that only 20% of UN IPCC scientists deal with climate. In other words, 80% of the UN’s IPCC membership are experts in other fields and have no dealing with or expertise in climate change as part of their academic studies."
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Dahlonega, GA

#8259 Apr 30, 2013
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Proponents of manmade global warming often point out that the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) and American Meteorological Society (AMS) have issued statements endorsing the so-called “consensus” view that human emissions drive climate change. However, neither the NAS nor the AMS has ever allowed member scientists to vote directly on these statements. A couple dozen members of the institutions’ governing boards produced the statements – and then issue press releases.

The governing boards are steeped in politics and seek more funding for “research” that promotes currently accepted viewpoints. The full membership of actual scientists never gets to vote on the activist statements and in many cases is completely unaware until too late that the boards have issued them. Many such organizations have faced open rebellion by their skeptical member scientists for such actions: the American Chemical Society, American Physical Society and International Geological Congress."
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Dahlonega, GA

#8260 Apr 30, 2013
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The claim that “97% of scientists agree” is based on 77 anonymous scientists who responded to a an online survey. The survey started by seeking opinions from 10,257 scientists. However, the survey authors selectively whittled down the responses to just 77 scientists. So the 97%“consensus” claim is not based on thousands of scientists or even hundreds of scientists – but 75 out of only 77 scientists. Thus, the oft repeated 97 percent “consensus’ is based on only 75 anonymous scientists.

Yet, on this basis some say we should tax and eliminate hydrocarbon use, severely restricting U.S. job creation and economic growth."
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Dahlonega, GA

#8261 Apr 30, 2013
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Actually, global temperatures have been holding steady for more than a decade. 1998 is still the high point in global temperatures during the recent era. While 2005 and 2010 were both declared “hottest” years by global warming proponents, a closer examination revealed that the claims were “based on year-to-year temperature data that differs by only a few HUNDREDTHS of a degree Fahrenheit.” In other words, global temperatures have held very steady with no sign of “acceleration.”

In September 2012, even UN IPCC scientist Phil Jones presented data that revealed there has been no global temperature change for the last 16 years!"
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Dahlonega, GA

#8262 Apr 30, 2013
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It was a hot summer in much of the continental U.S. But it was also a very cold summer in Alaska and parts of Europe, and a very cold winter in places like South Africa, where the seasons are reversed. Continental USA represents only 1.6% of the Earth’s surface.

Media and climate activists attempted to extrapolate this small surface area heat wave into a global trend – but it wasn’t. In fact, global temperatures were below the 15-year temperature average. Contrary to recent news stories, the 1930s still record the largest number of “hottest” days in U.S. history."
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Dahlonega, GA

#8263 Apr 30, 2013
Chicken littles........

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Recent Arctic ice changes are not “proof” of manmade global warming, nor are they unprecedented, unusual or cause for alarm, according to experts and multiple peer-reviewed studies. After weeks of media hype blaming global warming, NASA finally admitted in September 2012 that an August Arctic cyclone “broke up” and “wreaked havoc” on sea ice. According to NASA:“The cyclone remained stalled over the arctic for several days … pushing [sea ice] south to warmer waters, where it melted.”

Reuters news finally reported that the Arctic storm played a “key role” in ice reduction, and multiple peer-reviewed studies have shown that low Arctic summer ice seasons are due to high pressure days, unusual winds and shifts in ocean currents – not to global warming.

Global warming activists have long hyped satellite era data, which begin in1979, to claim record low Arctic sea ice – while ignoring the satellite data that show record sea ice expansion in the Antarctic. Moreover, satellite monitoring of Arctic ice began at the end of a 40-year cold cycle (remember the 1970s fears of a coming ice age?), when ice was probably at its highest extent in the modern era.

We have had similar Arctic ice panics in the past. A November 2, 1922 Washington Post article was headlined “Arctic Ocean getting warm: Seals vanish and icebergs melt.” The Arctic Ocean is warming, icebergs are growing scarcer and in places the seals are finding the water too hot, it said."

or rather Chicken Butts.
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Dahlonega, GA

#8264 Apr 30, 2013
“There is a lack of evidence to blame humans for an increase in extreme events. One cannot convict CO2 of causing any of these events, because they’ve happened in the past before CO2 levels rose,” climatologist John Christy testified before Congress in 2012.“There are innumerable types of events that can be defined as extreme events – so for the enterprising individual (unencumbered by the scientific method), weather statistics can supply an unlimited, target-rich environment in which to discover a ‘useful’ extreme event.”

Scientists rebuked former Vice President Al Gore for attempting to link CO2 levels and extreme weather.“Al Gore is doing a disservice to science by overplaying the link between climate change and weather,” said Myles Allen.“When Al Gore said last week that scientists now have ‘clear proof that climate change is directly responsible for the extreme and devastating floods, storms and droughts,’…my heart sank.”

“There is no evidence that disasters are getting worse because of climate change,” notes Professor Roger Pielke, Jr.“There’s really no evidence that we’re in the midst of an extreme weather era – whether man has influenced climate or not.”
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Dahlonega, GA

#8265 Apr 30, 2013
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Across time scales required for any meaningful analysis,“droughts have, for the most part, become shorter, less frequent, and cover a smaller portion of the U. S. over the last century,” Professor Roger Pielke, Jr. observes.“U.S. Midwestern drought has decreased in past 50+ years? That is not skepticism; that’s according to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,” he adds.

Even U.S. government scientists have admitted that recent droughts are not due to climate change.“This is not a climate change drought,” said Dr. Robert Hoerling, a NOAA research meteorologist, who served as the lead author of the U.S. Climate Change Science Plan Synthesis and Assessment Report:“The good news,” he emphasized,“is that this isn’t global warming. This is not the new normal in terms of drought.”

For scientists who take the long view of history, the U.S. drought of 2012 is “merely a climatological blip, E&E News reported, in an article titled “Dust Bowl and 1988 both eclipse 2012 drought, scientists say.”
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Dahlonega, GA

#8266 Apr 30, 2013
examples of two-faced Goreist.

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No. Any attempt to link man-made global warming to rainfall events in any specific region is the stuff of pure politics – not science. Current data show that global precipitation has actually undergone a slight decrease over the past 30 years. As a result of this and similar realities, global warming activists are desperately seeking to tie any and all weather events to global warming.

In Australia, climate activists were caught blaming too little rain on manmade global warming and then – when there was too much rain – they blamed that on manmade global warming. Other studies have found both temperatures and precipitation were higher 1000 years ago during the Medieval Warm Period."
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Dahlonega, GA

#8267 Apr 30, 2013
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Peer-reviewed studies reject these claims, too.“Are US floods increasing? The answer is still ‘No,’” says a new scientific paper by Roger Pielke, Jr. The evidence demonstrates that “flooding has not increased in U.S. over records of 85 to 127 years. This adds to a pile of research that shows similar results around the world,” Pielke said. It is also worth noting that “the world’s ten deadliest floods all occurred before 1976.” In other words “all of the world’s deadliest floods occurred with CO2 well below 350 PPM.”

In addition, a recent study by the U.S. government found no evidence that climate change caused more severe flooding during last century. In fact, the U.S. Geological Survey found that in some regions “floods become less severe as greenhouse gas emissions increased.” Moreover, at this time,“we do not see a clear pattern that enables us to understand how climate change will alter flood conditions in the future,” USGS scientist Robert Hirsch explained."
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Dahlonega, GA

#8268 Apr 30, 2013
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No. Major hurricanes are now less frequent. Not a single decade during past 50 years witnessed an above-average number of major hurricanes. In fact, for the United States, during the past four decades,“the fewest number of major hurricanes struck during any 40-year period since at least the 1800s.” The worst decade for major (category 3, 4 and 5) hurricanes was 1940s, according to the website Real Science, which analyzed National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data. In 2011, a new study found that “overall global tropical cyclone activity has decreased to historically low levels during the past five years.”

Scientists were also loud and clear in rejecting the a climate change link to the big super storm Sandy that hit the East Coast in October 2012. Hurricane expert Prof. Roger Pielke Jr. explained:“Sandy was terrible, but we’re currently in a relative hurricane ‘drought.’” He added:“Connecting energy policy and disasters makes little scientific sense.”
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Dahlonega, GA

#8269 Apr 30, 2013
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No. In fact, big tornadoes have seen a drop in frequency since the 1950s.“There has been a downward trend in strong (F3) to violent (F5) tornadoes in U.S. since 1950s.” In fact,“warming causes fewer strong tornadoes, not more,” climatologist Dr. Roy Spencer explained.

Other prominent scientists also reject global warming links to tornadoes. There is “no scientific consensus or connection between global warming and tornadic activity,” emphasized Greg Carbin, tornado warning coordination meteorologist at NOAA’s Storm Prediction Center in Norman, Oklahoma.“NOAA statistics show that the last 60 years have seen a dramatic increase in the reporting of weak tornadoes, but no change in the number of severe to violent ones,” Corbin commented."

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#8270 Apr 30, 2013
@Bored
Thank you so much for the above information.
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Dahlonega, GA

#8271 Apr 30, 2013
"Sea levels have been rising since the last ice age ended 10,000 years ago. There is currently no acceleration in sea level rise. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says sea level is rising very slowly, and a recent peer-reviewed study found that sea level rise has decelerated over past ten years. Another recent study concluded that sea level is controlled by natural variability, not human causes."

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