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jeb stuart

Jesup, GA

#5179 Mar 26, 2013
sorry, I meant to say that I am "not"saying that I.........
Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#5180 Mar 26, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>Here is an example of pesky facts.
I have a copy of the progressive platform of 1912 and quotes directly from the U.S.A. Communist Party website. Compare them and anyone can see that they are still the same. Even with the passing of time the ideals and big government control over everyone's lives are the same. There is always a cause for so called justice and anti-capitalism always with the government taking charge and getting bigger and bigger.
Of course they have enacted some good laws, they have to to give validity to their cause.
Anyone that has ever been to Communist countries or where Communist are trying to take over knows that they lie and kill to get what they want. Only a tiny step from Socialism to full blown Communism.
I say that the progressive Party as gone through name changes from the Progressive Party, to the Socialist Workers Party, to the Communist Party, and now back to and intertwined again with the Progressive Party. Anyone that can read will see the uncanny resemblances between them. Nothing to changing a name and calling yourself something else. You still look the same.
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/in...

http://www.cpusa.org/faq/
Damn do Right Wingers love to be afraid. Having been scared to death Saddam Hussein was going to send missiles to Sheboygan, Wisconsin, and dragging us into a $6,000,000,000,000.00 debacle, we are now supposed to fear "Socialism".

The boogeymen never stop on Right Wing Planet.

What a shame American education has deteriorated to the point where the differences between capitalism, socialism, and communism and the continuum existing between and linking them, is so difficult for so many to grasp.

If you truly are a capitalist in its pure form, you want America to duplicate Somalia, or Syria, or Lebanon, where government, for all practical purposes, cannot regulate private property or its use.

True Capitalism means:

- No Social Security
- No Medicare
- No V.A.
- No TVA
- No public hospitals
- No public schools
- No police departments
- No public libraries
- No employment laws
- No Anti-Trust laws
- No banking regulations
- No gov't insured banks
- No fraud laws
- No public roads
- No public schools
- No child protection laws
- No anti-corruption laws
- No firearms laws at all
- No vehicle safety laws
- No food safety laws
- No medicine safety laws

And 1000's of other laws that protect the powerless from the powerful.

This inevitably leads to tyranny by oligarchies.

Pure Communism means:

The "people", a/k/a the "Party Elite own all means of production and completely control all economic transactions.

This inevitably leads to tyranny by the party elite.

Mixed Exonomy:

If you support regulated capitalism, or capitalist socialism, you support America - a mixed economy regulated capitalism with social programs asserted to promote the general welfare somewhere in between the two extremes of pure Capitalism and pure Communism.

Moderates, Progressives, and all reasonably intelligent persons understand only countries utilizing mixed economies have avoided tyranny by either the political elite or the oligarchy.

History is a great teacher.
Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#5181 Mar 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>I guess my point was that the south has always been the most conservative region in the country.i think it would be the last place Marxists or communists would try to gain a foothold.
I agree the South has been the most conservative (or reactionary depending on your definition of what a conservative is), on social issues,

but when it comes to government spending, the South has routinely been extremely anti-conservative. The South, more than any other largw geographical section of the country,(except for Alaska), routinely takes more government funds than the rest of the country.

It's typically American, government spending that benefits us is good, and therefor not a violation of "Conservative" principals, and government spending that benefits anyone else is "waste, fraud, and abuse", and so violates "Conservative" principals.

At least it fun to watch.
Bored

Fitzgerald, GA

#5182 Mar 26, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Damn do Right Wingers love to be afraid. Having been scared to death Saddam Hussein was going to send missiles to Sheboygan, Wisconsin, and dragging us into a $6,000,000,000,000.00 debacle, we are now supposed to fear "Socialism".
The boogeymen never stop on Right Wing Planet.
What a shame American education has deteriorated to the point where the differences between capitalism, socialism, and communism and the continuum existing between and linking them, is so difficult for so many to grasp.
If you truly are a capitalist in its pure form, you want America to duplicate Somalia, or Syria, or Lebanon, where government, for all practical purposes, cannot regulate private property or its use.
True Capitalism means:
- No Social Security
- No Medicare
- No V.A.
- No TVA
- No public hospitals
- No public schools
- No police departments
- No public libraries
- No employment laws
- No Anti-Trust laws
- No banking regulations
- No gov't insured banks
- No fraud laws
- No public roads
- No public schools
- No child protection laws
- No anti-corruption laws
- No firearms laws at all
- No vehicle safety laws
- No food safety laws
- No medicine safety laws
And 1000's of other laws that protect the powerless from the powerful.
This inevitably leads to tyranny by oligarchies.
Pure Communism means:
The "people", a/k/a the "Party Elite own all means of production and completely control all economic transactions.
This inevitably leads to tyranny by the party elite.
Mixed Exonomy:
If you support regulated capitalism, or capitalist socialism, you support America - a mixed economy regulated capitalism with social programs asserted to promote the general welfare somewhere in between the two extremes of pure Capitalism and pure Communism.
Moderates, Progressives, and all reasonably intelligent persons understand only countries utilizing mixed economies have avoided tyranny by either the political elite or the oligarchy.
History is a great teacher.
Boring as usual, with no definitive answer.
Bored

Fitzgerald, GA

#5183 Mar 26, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree the South has been the most conservative (or reactionary depending on your definition of what a conservative is), on social issues,
but when it comes to government spending, the South has routinely been extremely anti-conservative. The South, more than any other largw geographical section of the country,(except for Alaska), routinely takes more government funds than the rest of the country.
It's typically American, government spending that benefits us is good, and therefor not a violation of "Conservative" principals, and government spending that benefits anyone else is "waste, fraud, and abuse", and so violates "Conservative" principals.
At least it fun to watch.
Boring.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#5184 Mar 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>I am saying that I support obamacare in its' entirety.most people seem to think that is does have some good points.how many attempts have reps made trying to repeal it,and all have failed.it just seems to me that if they want it changed,the easiest way to change it would be to get a republican elected president in 2016.
What are the good points? The concept of universal healthcare for everyone is a great idea, but define it. Does it mean everyone will get all medication and treatments and surgeries they need regardless of their situation and regardless of their ability to pay- No. No country can support that and survive economically. So there MUST be guidelines that will be set in place as to who gets what treatment when. The "death panels" that Sarah Palin was excoriated for will exist. It was Obama himself who, when asked by a woman about her 100 year old mother whose doctor said the only option he had for her was to install a pacemaker, said "maybe surgery is not the best option, maybe she would be better off taking a painkiller." There will be rationing and anyone who says there won't be is either delusional or lying, take your pick.
jeb stuart

Jesup, GA

#5185 Mar 26, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
What are the good points? The concept of universal healthcare for everyone is a great idea, but define it. Does it mean everyone will get all medication and treatments and surgeries they need regardless of their situation and regardless of their ability to pay- No. No country can support that and survive economically. So there MUST be guidelines that will be set in place as to who gets what treatment when. The "death panels" that Sarah Palin was excoriated for will exist. It was Obama himself who, when asked by a woman about her 100 year old mother whose doctor said the only option he had for her was to install a pacemaker, said "maybe surgery is not the best option, maybe she would be better off taking a painkiller." There will be rationing and anyone who says there won't be is either delusional or lying, take your pick.
I just know that when someone goes to the hospital,they have to be treated,regardless of their ability to pay for the treatment.when they don't pay,then who ends up covering the cost of their treatment.i think the answer is that we all(taxpayers)do.i readily admit that I don't that much about obamacare.i do know that all doctors hate it.anyway,i think that (depending on what happens in the next 3 1/2 yrs),the dems will probably try to move more to the right or center and may even nominate someone who is not closely tied to the current admin.what do you think the republican strategy will be?
jeb stuart

Jesup, GA

#5186 Mar 26, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is an example of pesky facts.
I have a copy of the progressive platform of 1912 and quotes directly from the U.S.A. Communist Party website. Compare them and anyone can see that they are still the same. Even with the passing of time the ideals and big government control over everyone's lives are the same. There is always a cause for so called justice and anti-capitalism always with the government taking charge and getting bigger and bigger.
Of course they have enacted some good laws, they have to to give validity to their cause.
Anyone that has ever been to Communist countries or where Communist are trying to take over knows that they lie and kill to get what they want. Only a tiny step from Socialism to full blown Communism.
I say that the progressive Party as gone through name changes from the Progressive Party, to the Socialist Workers Party, to the Communist Party, and now back to and intertwined again with the Progressive Party. Anyone that can read will see the uncanny resemblances between them. Nothing to changing a name and calling yourself something else. You still look the same.
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/in...
http://www.cpusa.org/faq/
it is just hard for me to imagine t.roosevelt as being either Marxist,communist or fascist.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#5187 Mar 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>I just know that when someone goes to the hospital,they have to be treated,regardless of their ability to pay for the treatment.when they don't pay,then who ends up covering the cost of their treatment.i think the answer is that we all(taxpayers)do.i readily admit that I don't that much about obamacare.i do know that all doctors hate it.anyway,i think that (depending on what happens in the next 3 1/2 yrs),the dems will probably try to move more to the right or center and may even nominate someone who is not closely tied to the current admin.what do you think the republican strategy will be?
I have no way of knowing what the Republican "establishment" will try and push on this next time. We have had two failures with McCain and Romney. McCain is a wishy washy moderate - but I will give him credit for pushing the questions on Benghazi. Romney was a very decent man, but also a moderate. My dream candidate would be a conservative who is neither ashamed of being a conservative nor timid in espousing conservative ideas and goals. I think the Republican "establishment" has convinced itself that to nominate a conservative would be to invite defeat. To which I would respond, yeah, and those moderates you pushed on us did so well. I think the American public would respond well to conservative ideas that were well articulated and supported.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#5188 Mar 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>I just know that when someone goes to the hospital,they have to be treated,regardless of their ability to pay for the treatment.when they don't pay,then who ends up covering the cost of their treatment.i think the answer is that we all(taxpayers)do.i readily admit that I don't that much about obamacare.i do know that all doctors hate it.anyway,i think that (depending on what happens in the next 3 1/2 yrs),the dems will probably try to move more to the right or center and may even nominate someone who is not closely tied to the current admin.what do you think the republican strategy will be?
Partially correct.

If someone is in an "emergency situation", they must be treated and stabilized, that is the law. If they're not in an emergency situation, no such requirement exists. A good example is a pregnant woman about to deliver, without insurance or on Medicaid, presenting to the ER at a for profit (investor owned) hospital. They must stabilize the patient(s) before they can transfer (if they desire, it might be a good idea for publicity purposes) to a county facility.

As far as the unpaid bills, it would take too long to explain, but many consider it to be a cost of doing business. It's one of the reasons why charges are so high for hospital items, the anticipated revenue has to help cover losses from non-paying patients.

Some people mistakenly believe that hospitals don't need a profit to survive. A pet phrase I've heard many times is, "Without a margin, there is no mission".

At a public hospital (like Grady in Atlanta) the taxpayers are expected to fund anticipated shortfalls, so to that extent, you are correct.
Man in Plaid

Columbus, GA

#5189 Mar 26, 2013
I'm not sure that the Democrats will have to move toward the center. The last election showed that although the Democrats have become quite a left wing party, people will vote for them.

Obviously, the need for a new presidential candidate will cause some changes, but it seems as though they have a strategy that works. The Republicans seem the more likely to change things up. However, I don't know how they will satisfy their base and pull a substantial amount of votes from the Democrats.

Obama and company have done a great job of demonizing the right. So the ball is definitely in the Republicans' court.
jeb stuart

Jesup, GA

#5190 Mar 26, 2013
Man in Plaid wrote:
I'm not sure that the Democrats will have to move toward the center. The last election showed that although the Democrats have become quite a left wing party, people will vote for them.
Obviously, the need for a new presidential candidate will cause some changes, but it seems as though they have a strategy that works. The Republicans seem the more likely to change things up. However, I don't know how they will satisfy their base and pull a substantial amount of votes from the Democrats.
Obama and company have done a great job of demonizing the right. So the ball is definitely in the Republicans' court.
I agree with the last part.
jeb stuart

Jesup, GA

#5191 Mar 26, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
What are the good points? The concept of universal healthcare for everyone is a great idea, but define it. Does it mean everyone will get all medication and treatments and surgeries they need regardless of their situation and regardless of their ability to pay- No. No country can support that and survive economically. So there MUST be guidelines that will be set in place as to who gets what treatment when. The "death panels" that Sarah Palin was excoriated for will exist. It was Obama himself who, when asked by a woman about her 100 year old mother whose doctor said the only option he had for her was to install a pacemaker, said "maybe surgery is not the best option, maybe she would be better off taking a painkiller." There will be rationing and anyone who says there won't be is either delusional or lying, take your pick.
well,i think that I do know one good point.i know a guy that could not get med. insurance on his wife because of pre-existing or previous medical condictions.because of obamacare,he is now able to do this.although he and his wife are both conservatives and republicans,they both like that part of it.
jeb stuart

Jesup, GA

#5192 Mar 26, 2013
Man in Plaid wrote:
I'm not sure that the Democrats will have to move toward the center. The last election showed that although the Democrats have become quite a left wing party, people will vote for them.
Obviously, the need for a new presidential candidate will cause some changes, but it seems as though they have a strategy that works. The Republicans seem the more likely to change things up. However, I don't know how they will satisfy their base and pull a substantial amount of votes from the Democrats.
Obama and company have done a great job of demonizing the right. So the ball is definitely in the Republicans' court.
jeb bush and some other republicans seem to think that the republicans may have helped 'demonize' themselves in the last election.i think someone like gov. Christie could present a real problem for the dems.
domino

United States

#5193 Mar 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>well,i think that I do know one good point.i know a guy that could not get med. insurance on his wife because of pre-existing or previous medical condictions.because of obamacare,he is now able to do this.although he and his wife are both conservatives and republicans,they both like that part of it.
I have a friend whose daughter went in labor. By the time she got to the hospital, she was very close to delivery. However, they turned her away because she had no insurance and no Medicaid. even though her mother told them she would sign the papers and be responsible for the bill, they still turned her away. That I am medially rushed to another hospital where the baby was born in the hallway. this actually happened in Florida.
domino

United States

#5194 Mar 26, 2013
domino wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a friend whose daughter went in labor. By the time she got to the hospital, she was very close to delivery. However, they turned her away because she had no insurance and no Medicaid. even though her mother told them she would sign the papers and be responsible for the bill, they still turned her away. That I am medially rushed to another hospital where the baby was born in the hallway. this actually happened in Florida.
Sorry! Should have said immediately rushed. I was using voice input.
jeb stuart

Jesup, GA

#5195 Mar 26, 2013
domino wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry! Should have said immediately rushed. I was using voice input.
when did this happen?

Since: Jul 12

Lithia Springs, GA

#5196 Mar 26, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Damn do Right Wingers love to be afraid. Having been scared to death Saddam Hussein was going to send missiles to Sheboygan, Wisconsin, and dragging us into a $6,000,000,000,000.00 debacle, we are now supposed to fear "Socialism".
The boogeymen never stop on Right Wing Planet.
What a shame American education has deteriorated to the point where the differences between capitalism, socialism, and communism and the continuum existing between and linking them, is so difficult for so many to grasp.
If you truly are a capitalist in its pure form, you want America to duplicate Somalia, or Syria, or Lebanon, where government, for all practical purposes, cannot regulate private property or its use.
True Capitalism means:
- No Social Security
- No Medicare
- No V.A.
- No TVA
- No public hospitals
- No public schools
- No police departments
- No public libraries
- No employment laws
- No Anti-Trust laws
- No banking regulations
- No gov't insured banks
- No fraud laws
- No public roads
- No public schools
- No child protection laws
- No anti-corruption laws
- No firearms laws at all
- No vehicle safety laws
- No food safety laws
- No medicine safety laws
And 1000's of other laws that protect the powerless from the powerful.
This inevitably leads to tyranny by oligarchies.
Pure Communism means:
The "people", a/k/a the "Party Elite own all means of production and completely control all economic transactions.
This inevitably leads to tyranny by the party elite.
Mixed Exonomy:
If you support regulated capitalism, or capitalist socialism, you support America - a mixed economy regulated capitalism with social programs asserted to promote the general welfare somewhere in between the two extremes of pure Capitalism and pure Communism.
Moderates, Progressives, and all reasonably intelligent persons understand only countries utilizing mixed economies have avoided tyranny by either the political elite or the oligarchy.
History is a great teacher.
You are correct making the point that the differences in our country now between so called capitalism and socialism is difficult to precieve as it is so intertwined together that the country is not truly a capitalistic country anymore. It is 7/10's a socialist country now and being made more so everyday. Bigger government and more government control over everything.
Pure unbridled capitalism is just as dangerous as pure socialism, or communism. Oh Progressives and Communist always sing out all the great virtues of there parties but just look at the poor little countries that are controlled by it. Look now at Europe and its totally broken economy. Look at the countries of N. Korea, China, N. vietnam, Cuba, and even Russia. They have little to no human rights and most people there are poor or starving to death. Lets not talk about the slave camps and prisons that house political prisoners. These people had the same promises made to them that you now preach and support. It is all a lie and that is the way it is. Progressives, communist, socialist always lie and promise all the wonderful things but they deliver only pain and total failure except to the few that is in the upper positions in the party.
The more I look at what is going on now I am beginning to wonder if it isn't actually Fascism that is really taking place. Perhaps a mixture of Fascism and Communism.
You take examples of common sense and try to turn them into a wonderful thing that only communism does. You fail to mention all the horrible things that it does to the people it RULES with a IRON HAND. It gives promises to gain power and control and gives back misery and bullets.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#5197 Mar 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>well,i think that I do know one good point.i know a guy that could not get med. insurance on his wife because of pre-existing or previous medical condictions.because of obamacare,he is now able to do this.although he and his wife are both conservatives and republicans,they both like that part of it.
I am absolutely not saying there were no problems with the health insurance industry, preexisting condition exclusions was probably the biggest. My contention is that changes could have been made without putting the whole system in jeopardy, which Obamacare does. One option that made sense to me was basically having a pool of those who are uninsured due to preexisting conditions or who truly can't afford it (would have to be means tested). That pool of people would be "farmed out" to the health insurance companies in an even way so as not to overburden any one company. The cost would have been a tiny fraction of what Obamacare will cost and it is no secret that one of the goals of Obamacare is to eventually drive private insurance companies out of business so that in the end no one has any option but government health care.
jeb stuart

Jesup, GA

#5198 Mar 26, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct making the point that the differences in our country now between so called capitalism and socialism is difficult to precieve as it is so intertwined together that the country is not truly a capitalistic country anymore. It is 7/10's a socialist country now and being made more so everyday. Bigger government and more government control over everything.
Pure unbridled capitalism is just as dangerous as pure socialism, or communism. Oh Progressives and Communist always sing out all the great virtues of there parties but just look at the poor little countries that are controlled by it. Look now at Europe and its totally broken economy. Look at the countries of N. Korea, China, N. vietnam, Cuba, and even Russia. They have little to no human rights and most people there are poor or starving to death. Lets not talk about the slave camps and prisons that house political prisoners. These people had the same promises made to them that you now preach and support. It is all a lie and that is the way it is. Progressives, communist, socialist always lie and promise all the wonderful things but they deliver only pain and total failure except to the few that is in the upper positions in the party.
The more I look at what is going on now I am beginning to wonder if it isn't actually Fascism that is really taking place. Perhaps a mixture of Fascism and Communism.
You take examples of common sense and try to turn them into a wonderful thing that only communism does. You fail to mention all the horrible things that it does to the people it RULES with a IRON HAND. It gives promises to gain power and control and gives back misery and bullets.
dave,i am not trying to belittle or sound mean,but Vietnam is one country now(there is no north or south anymore.i agree with a lot of what you say.

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