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One More Thing

Springfield, OH

#67 Apr 23, 2014
Student 4 Concealed Carry wrote:
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Very well put!
Again and again, an incredibly weak argument keeps getting repeated by gun-phobists. They overwhelmingly want the general public to envision "concealed carry in public schools" to be "haphazardly trained" teachers.
Again and again, all over America. gun-phobists are being proven wrong. Why? You've already answered that. Because by and large, teachers/ staff trained in concealed carry who are stepping up to help protect America's schools are doing so because they volunteer.
We live in a society today where the Law of the Land prohibits posting the Ten Commandments, including Thou shalt not kill, in our public schools. But, State law now allows school districts in Ohio to place levies on the ballot to increase school taxes so that only unionized security guards are hired. That's why again and again we heard from pro-union, pro-increased taxes activists, during the board room discussion last year, about the possibility of investing our school tax dollars in conversion schools. Forced unionism politics does not tolerate "school choice" nor teachers who "choose to volunteer" to properly train themselves to safely exercise their constitutional rights.
Student 4 Concealed Carry

Springfield, OH

#68 Aug 20, 2014
"A right is like a muscle. If you don't exercise it, you will lose it."
NRA

http://www.ohiocarry.org/about-ohio-carry.htm...
Never Happen

United States

#69 Sep 12, 2014
It will NEVER happen. The more intellectual and financially superior residents will put an immediate stop to any type of guns being allowed in Springboro schools.

If you're a proponate of teachers carrying guns, I will tell you to pick another battle, Springboro will never have guns in its schools. Save your breathe.
check ur spelling

Springfield, OH

#70 Sep 16, 2014
Never Happen wrote:
It will NEVER happen. The more intellectual and financially superior residents will put an immediate stop to any type of guns being allowed in Springboro schools.
If you're a proponate of teachers carrying guns, I will tell you to pick another battle, Springboro will never have guns in its schools. Save your breathe.
To be frank, you're naive and completely in the dark if you believe there aren't Springboro teachers carrying secretly.
last measure

Springfield, OH

#71 Sep 16, 2014
Never Happen wrote:
It will NEVER happen. The more intellectual and financially superior residents will put an immediate stop to any type of guns being allowed in Springboro schools.
In the microscopically small chance of a gun attack on a school this or any given community, perhaps teachers / staff could use a tactic of reassuring students that "intellectuals" and "financially superior residents" have their backs!

Yes, Springboro schools has done much over the past few years to improve security in each of its buildings. But so did the Sandy Hook elementary building, just before Adam Lanza strolled up and blew his way through the thick tempered glass. The fact of the matter is school districts can implement layers upon layers of expensive preventive security, and yet there will always be a measure of risk. The key is continued diligence on the part of staff, students and parents.

However if security is somehow broken and an attack occurs, it is my belief that parents would have confidence in volunteer staff who are well trained in the use of firearms in defending lives. IMO this beats the hell out of the option of staff with no conceal carry, crouching with students in corners, listening to gunshots, fearing for their lives while waiting for first responders who will probably show up in about 3-4 minutes, with guns. Examine the history. Lots of terrible damage has been done in 3-4 minutes.
Hollywood

Springboro, OH

#72 Sep 20, 2014
last measure wrote:
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In the microscopically small chance of a gun attack on a school this or any given community, perhaps teachers / staff could use a tactic of reassuring students that "intellectuals" and "financially superior residents" have their backs!
Yes, Springboro schools has done much over the past few years to improve security in each of its buildings. But so did the Sandy Hook elementary building, just before Adam Lanza strolled up and blew his way through the thick tempered glass. The fact of the matter is school districts can implement layers upon layers of expensive preventive security, and yet there will always be a measure of risk. The key is continued diligence on the part of staff, students and parents.
However if security is somehow broken and an attack occurs, it is my belief that parents would have confidence in volunteer staff who are well trained in the use of firearms in defending lives. IMO this beats the hell out of the option of staff with no conceal carry, crouching with students in corners, listening to gunshots, fearing for their lives while waiting for first responders who will probably show up in about 3-4 minutes, with guns. Examine the history. Lots of terrible damage has been done in 3-4 minutes.
Hilarious!!

I bet you read your post at least 3 times and thought

"I'm so smart, how could anyone argue with this?"

You're an idiot.

Read it again, and this time really try to pull your head out of your ass and read what you wrote.

You too will think you're an idiot.

Have a nice weekend.
Master Grand

Springboro, OH

#73 Sep 20, 2014
check ur spelling wrote:
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To be frank, you're naive and completely in the dark if you believe there aren't Springboro teachers carrying secretly.
Check your employment status.

- "secretly" ?

Wow sounds like a TV show or something, and you're the only guy "in the know"

If only people would listen to YOU!! because YOU are the guy who knows the secret.

Turn off the TV, get a job, stop worrying about what everybody else is doing, you're obviously too young to be wasting time on sites like this.

Go make some money, if you have the time and energy to be reading stangers posts and replying to them, well then you're just not working hard enough.
safeguard

Springboro, OH

#74 Sep 22, 2014
Master Grand wrote:
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Go make some money, if you have the time and energy to be reading stangers posts and replying to them, well then you're just not working hard enough.
Hypocrite! Try checking the reflection in your mirror!
a right is a muscle

Springboro, OH

#75 Sep 22, 2014
Hollywood wrote:
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Hilarious!!
I bet you read your post at least 3 times and thought
"I'm so smart, how could anyone argue with this?"
You're an idiot.
Read it again, and this time really try to pull your head out of your ass and read what you wrote.
You too will think you're an idiot.
Have a nice weekend.
Next time please try to respond by using counterpoints. The use of expletives make you appear to be quite immature.
the tip of the iceberg

Springboro, OH

#76 Sep 22, 2014
Teachers, principals, assistant principals and deans are speaking out after the Connecticut school shootings. Over 900 have applied since the mass murder in the Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown on Dec. 14. "We had filled the first 24 spots within a few hours after making the announcement at the town hall meeting in Columbus a few weeks ago so we've slowly been increasing the number of applications," says Joe Eaton, of the Buckeye Firearms Association. "A lot more people are talking about this." Eaton says the training, which will be held this spring at the Tactical Defense Institute in Adams County, will be geared specifically towards a school environment. "We're wanting to take this to the next level. The firearm is actually going to be the last part of this." Eaton adds. "That's a tool of last resort. So, we want to give the teachers any tools that they're comfortable with using."

Federal law says a person has to have a Concealed Carry permit to have a gun in a school. Ohio law says, not only does someone have to have the permit, but each individual school board has to approve someone having a gun on campus. Kentucky law has no provision for anyone having a gun on campus, except a cop. So, in Ohio, why not just have teachers get a concealed carry permit?
"Our classrooms are a different situations that what a person will experience in a 'Concealed Carry' or a lot of other courses," says Eaton. "There are a lot of precious people in there that somebody should be aware of should someone try to commit violence against them." He also said if no one on campus has a gun, the bad guys know it. Thinking like them, he says, "Do we see a sign that says 'I'm the only armed one there' or can we start taking down those signs and make the person think, I may meet some resistance here and may not meet my end goal." Only 24 teachers and administrators will be able to enroll in the first class. After that, Eaton's not sure what will happen.
"We don't want dollars to stand between a teacher getting this type of training and keeping our kids safe. Our foundation estimated about a thousand dollars per teacher per curriculum for room and board, for the ammunition," Eaton adds. "Our foundation's going to pay for all that for the first 24. Of course, we're going to reach out to corporations and to the public for additional funding so that we can increase the number of teachers that go through this."
taking matters into hands

Springboro, OH

#77 Oct 24, 2014
Guns in Schools : The push to arm teachers
Kate Murphy, News 21 Project
philly.com
8/24/14

http://www.philly.com/philly/education/201408...
Protect our kids

Springboro, OH

#78 Oct 25, 2014
1st responders R us wrote:
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Wait!! Did I miss something?!? What school district's board has voted to "haphazardly give 25 old elementary teachers a firearm"?
Before you jump to such rash conclusions please check with the boards of education at Edgewood schools in Butler county or Montpelier schools in Williams County. Obviously you're about illustrating false pictures of reality.
Something you fail to take into consideration is that theres a significant portion of the civilian population thats highly adept, highly confident, and very responsible with the use of their personal firearms. Add to that equation rigorous state-certified concealed carry courses and what do you get? You get VOLUNTEER school administrators, janitors, counselors (etc) who can serve as the children's and staff's defenders DURING THE PAINFULLY LONG FIRST SECONDS of a school intruder gun attack.
Have a police officer staged in each school building of each district? Great! Tremendous idea! Lots of luck with securing the necessary capital! Taxpayers in general aren't going to go for that tab. And no, before you respond, neither the state of Ohio nor Vice Pres "anti-gun" Biden are going to fork out the grants for 1 resource officer per each school building for every district in the nation. Obviously this Fed administration is all about taking guns away from people which of course would make us and our schoolchildren even more susceptible to potential suicidal school gun attacks. Certainly I'm for funding more and better mental health support and at earlier ages, but even after a period of time such programs are successful, there's still the unknown factor of how many truly disturbed individuals exist in any given community at any time and how they move from area to area.
Wait, there were three police officers at the football game last night and they were all in a huddle at the fence chit chatting for hours. I felt safe, lol.
A few months of training in the polic academy gives us police like the ones that shoot innocent people, Really , just watch a few U-tube videos an dsee the "trained" police. If those police are protecting us, I prefer an untrained person to protect my kids. I often see very egotistical, overbearning, power hungry police. I want to see protectors more interested in preotecting than intrusion, invading privacy and on power highs. I do not trust teachers because most of them are what I just described. I prefer to have a custodian, bus driver or secretary portect my kids.
anonymous panther

Springboro, OH

#79 Oct 25, 2014
a right is a muscle wrote:
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Next time please try to respond by using counterpoints. The use of expletives make you appear to be quite immature.
That is because it is a student. lol Maybe the same one that sent a list of "good deeds" (nonsense) that everyone should do, remember Anonymous Panther, and the district published it. LOL If anyone believes it is a student and not just a really silly liberal adult I have swamp land for ya. I have some ideas of whom this is. On second thought, maybe,,,,,,, Chris????
soph

Springboro, OH

#80 Oct 28, 2014
anonymous panther wrote:
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That is because it is a student. lol Maybe the same one that sent a list of "good deeds" (nonsense) that everyone should do, remember Anonymous Panther, and the district published it. LOL If anyone believes it is a student and not just a really silly liberal adult I have swamp land for ya. I have some ideas of whom this is. On second thought, maybe,,,,,,, Chris????
AP? lol! That's last year's hoax! Give it up!
Student 4 Concealed Carry

Springboro, OH

#81 Nov 21, 2014
Last May, a Durham NC restaurant with sign on front door reading "NO WEAPONS, NO CONCEALED FIREARMS"... was robbed at gunpoint!

If guns are taken away from citizens, who will be left with guns?
Of course, the answer is... THE BAD GUYS

Take a stand! Please make the decision to only patronize public establishments which DON'T have signs such as this in their entrances.
Two resident

Toledo, OH

#82 Feb 17, 2015
Student 4 Concealed Carry wrote:
Last May, a Durham NC restaurant with sign on front door reading "NO WEAPONS, NO CONCEALED FIREARMS"... was robbed at gunpoint!
If guns are taken away from citizens, who will be left with guns?
Of course, the answer is... THE BAD GUYS
Take a stand! Please make the decision to only patronize public establishments which DON'T have signs such as this in their entrances.
Thats an excellent idea.
fresh meatz

Springboro, OH

#83 Feb 21, 2015
Honestly from such a brand name town and yes I live here I would expect much more from our paid police forces to be the ones to provide protection, but alias they are too busy doing traffic enforcement 24/7 and the court system here shows it in Lebanon they just push them in like cattle to pay pay pay.. where does all that money go? evidently not into our community schools security enforcement. I say arm the teachers who have extensive time behind the barrel.
Student 4 Concealed Carry

Springboro, OH

#84 Apr 15, 2015
The mother of a Pataskala 7-year-old said she is sickened by the thought of more than 300 new door-security barricades mothballed inside the five buildings of the Southwest Licking school district.

Erin West and her neighbors held coin drives and sponsored hat days at the schools and gathered corporate sponsors to raise about $30,000 to buy enough Barracuda intruder-defense systems to outfit every student door in the district.

Yet, less than a month after the group donated the money to the school board, the district received word from the Licking County Building Code Department that use of the portable door barricades violates Ohio’s Building Code, which says it must be possible to open doors from the inside “without use of a key or any special knowledge or effort.”

The district appealed that decision, but its efforts ended on Monday when the Ohio Department of Commerce’s Board of Building Appeals voted 4-1 against the use of the barricades.

Never mind the fact that the FBI and Homeland Security encourage the use of barricades to foil a gunman. So, too, does the active-shooter training the Southwest Licking Schools received last spring from the Licking County sheriff’s office and the West Licking Fire District.

“It’s beyond comprehension to know that we could have added an additional layer of protection for our kids in the event of an active shooter,” West said,“and that our great community and great schools and great fire and sheriff’s offices came together to make that happen, at no expense to the schools, only to be told we can’t use them. It’s sickening.”

Licking County Sheriff Randy Thorp agreed.

“It would appear that somewhere in this process, common sense got left out of the equation.”

West, for one, hopes common sense might still prevail. She has contacted her local elected officials in an effort to correct the apparent conflict between law enforcement’s recommended safety protocols and the state’s building code.

She said that other states recently made similar corrections to their laws, including Michigan, Kansas, New Jersey, Colorado and Louisiana.

State Sen. Jay Hottinger met with West and her neighbors in January, then called a meeting on Feb. 6 with state Fire Marshal Larry Flowers, Attorney General Mike DeWine and Ohio Department of Commerce Director Andre Porter.

“Do we barricade the doors or do we not barricade the doors? It’s something that needs resolved on a statewide level,” said Hottinger, who said many other districts either employ door barricades now or are considering it.“What might be appropriate for Southwest Licking schools might not be appropriate for another district, and we won’t solve this by individual variances, which could number in the hundreds, even thousands.”

Hottinger said he has spoken to Flowers several times about the situation, most recently at Tuesday’s State of the State speech.

“I asked him,‘Would you really levy fines (on schools) that used door barricades in the case of an active shooter?’ It’s not illegal to have them, just to use them. He said,‘Absolutely not.’ But, he said,‘It’s a big liability if they’re used inappropriately.’ What’s to keep a student from using a barricade and then assaulting a teacher or raping a student?”

Hottinger said he plans to schedule another meeting to bring more people into the decision-making process, including the Department of Public Safety and the State Highway Patrol.

“At the end of the day, I’m confident that we will come to the conclusion that barricading doors is a proper solution against an active shooter,” he said.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local...
Student 4 Concealed Carry

Springboro, OH

#85 Sep 14, 2015
This past Friday's experiences highlight the obvious: a need for enactment of concealed carry for select district staff / administrators. There are staff and administrators throughout this district who are already are well trained and well versed in the defensive use of firearms. This is a tremendously valuable resource that's already here, in this district's classrooms, hallways, admin offices, gymnasiums, lunchrooms & libraries.
reality

Springboro, OH

#89 Dec 3, 2015
Obama & Biden want to take away our guns. WHY? The 2nd amendment of our US Constitution was put in place by our Forefathers in order to defend America, OUR nation, from despotic government such as the Obama administration. Do not trust Obama or Hillary. They want to reshape Americans to become soft targets for a gradual takeover by European style socialism.

Since Columbine, what have most mass shootings had in common with each other?
Signs on doors, which read...... "NO CONCEALED CARRY", signs which make you, I & our children SOFT TARGETS !!

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