Old Guy

New Carlisle, OH

#19074 Jun 15, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
And, in the early 1950s (thanks to a Republican/Catholic coalition) the words "under God" were added to the Pledge, and school kids were forced to say it, even if they didn't believe in God.
Or society has become much more secular since then, but there are still many that try to force their beliefs on others.
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I know how that is. Global Warming, gay marriage, affirmative action..........
Really? Someone is forcing you into a gay marriage? Or making you say "Global warming is real!" every day?

You thought that everything was fine back then only because your side was in charge. What if it had been 7th Day Adventists writing the rules, and they decided that everything should be closed on their Sabbath (Saturday), would you have been as happy then?
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
But you do know of course that those blue laws were laws of the community and not of the federal, state or county.
It's not often that a single sentence can be wrong in multiple ways. First is your use of the past tense "were" --- the blue laws are still around. Second is your assertion that they are only "community laws", many were enacted at the state level.

Here's a list of 25 states that still restrict legal activities on Sundays, for no reason except that they are trying to force their personal religious beliefs on others:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_laws_in_the...
Kimberly Sparks

United States

#19075 Jun 15, 2013
Know Ted Strickland, he is an excellent and honest man!!! Shame he was not Governor again!!!!! The economy is headed in the wrong direction and it is with all Politicians, we need to eliminate K Street and bring the jobs back from China!!!!! They all sold the American people out and we need to throw the Politicians out, every last one of them and put them Wall street bandits in jail where they belong!!!!! They are using slave labor in China, read a letter posted on Yahoo, we found one in a box from Wal-Mart, it is bad for them, in human!!!!!

We need to make each Politician take what is in the best interest of the American people and if that is not their standard, throw them out again!!!!!

Let's all take America back into the peoples hands!!!!

Hope all is well there!!!!

Kimberly
Pops

Newport, KY

#19076 Jun 15, 2013
I believe that XXX was being facetious for most of that post. If not, the 'joke' is on me.
By the way, I am Agnostic. I lived in Lexington when votes came to end blue laws, restraunt liquor sales on Sundays & then package liquor sales on Sundays. Although NOT being religious, I voted against them so that many people in the food service & retail industries would have one day a week off. That was my sole motivation....family time. The 1st election the changes were voted down. The 2nd vote they were approved. That was & is just fine. I had my say at the polls & never whined, the majority had their say. That's the way it works.
Old Guy

New Carlisle, OH

#19077 Jun 15, 2013
Pops wrote:
I lived in Lexington when votes came to end blue laws, restraunt liquor sales on Sundays & then package liquor sales on Sundays. Although NOT being religious, I voted against them so that many people in the food service & retail industries would have one day a week off.
I hear what you are saying, and I share your concerns. It makes me sad that Thanksgiving is rapidly becoming just another working day for many folks. There was something nice about collective holidays, when even the poorest members of our society had time off together. That small pleasure is fading away...

Since: Aug 12

United States

#19078 Jun 16, 2013
LorenEberly wrote:
Tax Overhaul:
Tax overhaul demands President, Vice President, and Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.
Revokes every tax except income tax and complies with USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.
This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
President, the Justices they appoint, and Elected Officials hold Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.
To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.
Pay income tax, social security tax, and road tax Amish evade paying 10% of their income derived from wages, Ponzi credit certificates, and independent business profit to nonprofit, tax exempt, Amish Church.
Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.
Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. Vendors collect without compensation. That gets only product or service.
Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.
Defying USA Labor Law, the Constitution, and Realities demands and Money Marketers marketing more money quarterly; Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.
America’s grandchildren’s children cannot pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.
Abolish income tax and abolish the IRS Loren. The Fairtax is the only reasonable form of taxation that will lead the US out of debt and back to productive status. And end unemployment.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#19079 Jun 16, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
<quoted text>
Abolish income tax and abolish the IRS Loren. The Fairtax is the only reasonable form of taxation that will lead the US out of debt and back to productive status. And end unemployment.
We had it before under Article 1 Section 8 Clause 1 before the Republicans created the IRS in July 1862, during the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln and Congress created the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue and enacted a temporary income tax to pay war expenses (see Revenue Act of 1862). The position of Commissioner exists today as the head of the Internal Revenue Service.

Then Republicans wanted the 16th Amendment and got it so then taxes weren't uniform no more and the Republicans besides were responsible for the first income tax that was ever assessed in 1862 to raise funds for the American Civil War, with a rate of 3%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue...

Article 1, Section 8

Clause 1.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

The very first power given to Congress by the Constitution is the power to tax. Money is power, and in the governmental structure created by the Constitution, Congress—not the president—controls the money. Congress also has the power to levy tariffs (taxes on imported goods) but it's not allowed to charge more for imports into one state than into another. The Framers of the Constitution probably put the tax power first on the list of Congress's enumerated powers because they were acutely aware that one of the biggest problems of the old Articles of Confederation was that its version of Congress did not have the power to tax, and thus didn't have the power to do much of anything at all.

http://www.shmoop.com/constitution/article-1-...

History of the 16th Amendment
by W. Cleon Skousen

Strange as it may seem, the Sixteenth Amendment (which gave the American people the affliction of confiscatory income taxes) was never supposed to have passed. It was introduced by the Republicans as part of a political scheme to trick the Democrats, but it backfired.

The Founding Fathers had rejected income taxes (or any other direct taxes) unless they were apportioned to each state according to population. Nevertheless, an income tax was levied during the Civil War and upheld by the Supreme Court on somewhat tenuous reasoning. When another income tax was enacted in 1893, the Supreme Court found it unconstitutional. In connection with the two Pollock cases reviewed in 1895, the Court declared that the act violated Article I, section 9 of the Constitution.

http://www.latterdayconservative.com/articles...
LorenEberly

Centerburg, OH

#19081 Jun 16, 2013
Healthcare:

USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demands every Business Owner and their Stockholders, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
LorenEberly

Centerburg, OH

#19082 Jun 16, 2013
Tax Reform:

USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demands Government revoke every tax except income tax and hold every Business Owner and their Stockholders, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church accountable; to market the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every investor, stockholder, worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay same percentage of income tax with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit, and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
LorenEberly

Centerburg, OH

#19083 Jun 16, 2013
Key Lawmakers Go On Road:

Key Lawmakers go on road to see what tax code Illegal drug users and Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid want changed.

And see what tax code Amish want changed. That evades paying Government income tax, social security tax, and road tax. That pays 10% of their income derived from wages, Ponzi credit certificates, and independent business profit to nonprofit, tax exempt, Amish Church.

President, The Justices they appoint, and Law Makers that complies with USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands. Has no need to go on the road to see what tax code us the Government of this Representative Republic wants changed.

We want every Government Official Us The Government elects; to hold every Business Owner and their Stockholders, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church accountable; to market the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And deny US Government, OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) Liberty to hold Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To pay for the more stock dividends (money) Stockholders and foreign and domestic investors market quarterly. And pay sales tax on the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. Vendors collect without compensation. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. And pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.

Since: Aug 12

United States

#19086 Jun 16, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>We had it before under Article 1 Section 8 Clause 1 before the Republicans created the IRS in July 1862, during the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln and Congress created the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue and enacted a temporary income tax to pay war expenses (see Revenue Act of 1862). The position of Commissioner exists today as the head of the Internal Revenue Service.
Then Republicans wanted the 16th Amendment and got it so then taxes weren't uniform no more and the Republicans besides were responsible for the first income tax that was ever assessed in 1862 to raise funds for the American Civil War, with a rate of 3%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue...
Article 1, Section 8
Clause 1.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
The very first power given to Congress by the Constitution is the power to tax. Money is power, and in the governmental structure created by the Constitution, Congress—not the president—controls the money. Congress also has the power to levy tariffs (taxes on imported goods) but it's not allowed to charge more for imports into one state than into another. The Framers of the Constitution probably put the tax power first on the list of Congress's enumerated powers because they were acutely aware that one of the biggest problems of the old Articles of Confederation was that its version of Congress did not have the power to tax, and thus didn't have the power to do much of anything at all.
http://www.shmoop.com/constitution/article-1-...
History of the 16th Amendment
by W. Cleon Skousen
Strange as it may seem, the Sixteenth Amendment (which gave the American people the affliction of confiscatory income taxes) was never supposed to have passed. It was introduced by the Republicans as part of a political scheme to trick the Democrats, but it backfired.
The Founding Fathers had rejected income taxes (or any other direct taxes) unless they were apportioned to each state according to population. Nevertheless, an income tax was levied during the Civil War and upheld by the Supreme Court on somewhat tenuous reasoning. When another income tax was enacted in 1893, the Supreme Court found it unconstitutional. In connection with the two Pollock cases reviewed in 1895, the Court declared that the act violated Article I, section 9 of the Constitution.
http://www.latterdayconservative.com/articles...
Alright Indy, can you name the current day recent candidates and office holders who favor the Fair Tax?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#19087 Jun 16, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
<quoted text>
Alright Indy, can you name the current day recent candidates and office holders who favor the Fair Tax?
Reality is the Federal Government cant afford it.
Old Guy

New Carlisle, OH

#19089 Jun 16, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I see (by your reply) you didn't even bother reading what you posted. The restrictions in most of these states have little to do with religion.
Here's the second line from that link I posted:

"Blue laws are laws designed to enforce religious standards."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_laws_in_the...

I'm not sure what part of this you don't understand. The majority religion imposed its Sabbath on everyone, by limiting their ability to engage in commerce that would be acceptable on any other day. No one really disputes this fact regarding the origins of the blue laws.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#19090 Jun 16, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the second line from that link I posted:
"Blue laws are laws designed to enforce religious standards."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_laws_in_the...
I'm not sure what part of this you don't understand. The majority religion imposed its Sabbath on everyone, by limiting their ability to engage in commerce that would be acceptable on any other day. No one really disputes this fact regarding the origins of the blue laws.
I know what Kentucky was like when I was there and how the religious fanatics had control.

Since: Aug 12

United States

#19091 Jun 17, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Reality is the Federal Government cant afford it.
What if they offered amnesty to the 18 trillion dollars held offshore? Afterall, combine that with the Fairtax which completely negates corporate tax - I think the economy would grow at a meltdown pace, corporations would flock here even from China.
EatTheFacts

Canton, OH

#19092 Jun 17, 2013
Pops wrote:
I believe that XXX was being facetious for most of that post. If not, the 'joke' is on me.
By the way, I am Agnostic. I lived in Lexington when votes came to end blue laws, restraunt liquor sales on Sundays & then package liquor sales on Sundays. Although NOT being religious, I voted against them so that many people in the food service & retail industries would have one day a week off. That was my sole motivation....family time. The 1st election the changes were voted down. The 2nd vote they were approved. That was & is just fine. I had my say at the polls & never whined, the majority had their say. That's the way it works.
The majority had it's say when we voted in Obama. B1tch and whine much about that? You are a tired old leaf in the wind. Also, ask your truck driving weather genius why Christianity dropped by 10% after "God' President", GW Bush was in office.
EatTheFacts

Canton, OH

#19093 Jun 17, 2013
Candidates that claimed "God" told them to run...
Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, GW Bush, Ronald Reagan...

Whole lotta cashing in on God going on. Funny how many anti-environment/oil billionaire sponsored tea party members are listed. Wonder why? Anyway, back to the totally original theory you came up with, all on your own, about how climate change isn't happening. Never mind that the same oil billionaires who funded all of these canidates, spent millions to refute global warming, and then did a complete turn around, leaving your outdated and provided propaganda views in the dust. Hey, wanna see a video of Sarah Palin claiming it's "God's will" to build a pipeline? You guys are too stupid to realize who you are jumping through hoops for. Now fight against those higher efficiency light bulbs, like a good little b1tch for the energy lobby.
EatTheFacts

Canton, OH

#19094 Jun 17, 2013
So you are against higher efficiency light bulbs, but pro 2nd hand smoke. Funny how oil and tobacco are both Christian Conservative industries. Look up "Dominionism" some time.
EatTheFacts

Canton, OH

#19095 Jun 17, 2013
"This nation was founded on Christianity". Ever hear that one? Now let's look at our nation's capital, with their paintings of George Washington sitting at God's throne and the Greek gods lining the walls. I bet all the Egyptian symbolism is there because of Jesus. Rightwing Christian Conservatives hijacked this great nation for decades. They believed they held a monopoly on both God and country. They were wrong.
Jeff

United States

#19096 Jun 17, 2013
why are tards posting in a defunct thread?

Since: Aug 12

United States

#19097 Jun 17, 2013
Jobs jobs jobs jobs...... hear that one before? Yep and now there's fewer jobs and people working them since before World War II.
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Liberals tell the truth...... when they want to: "Guess what this liberal would be all about? This liberal will be about socializing...uh, um...Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your businesses."
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Liberals admit to yerning for a one party fascist state:“I think some people are missing something here. The president has put in place an organization with the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life.”“That’s going to be very, very powerful. That database will have information about everything on every individual on ways that it’s never been done before.”
“And whoever runs for president on the Democratic ticket has to deal with that. They’re going to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can’t get around it. And he’s [President Obama] been very smart. It’s very powerful what he's leaving in place."
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More democrats tell the truth about their own party:
“Ideologies aren’t all that important. What’s important is psychology.“The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That’s why I became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.“Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have a clue as to political reality.“What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard workers and convince them that they should support social programs that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you want.
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“The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic operative instead of a Republican was because there were more Democrats that didn’t have a clue than there were Republicans.“Truth is relative. Truth is what you can make the voter believe is the truth. If you’re smart enough, truth is what you make the voter think it is. That’s why I’m a Democrat. I can make the Democratic voters think whatever I want them to.”

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