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Canton

Canton, OH

#33386 Aug 30, 2014
Now was Timothy McVeigh before or after FDR? Let's get a little more relevant with our discussions. For instance, every single speck of what the Conservative Tea Party stands for, reads like a pay book for child murderer and domestic terrorist, Timothy McVeigh. I'm not talking about what people used to be like way back in the times of FDR. I'm talking about right here and now. To the letter. The Tea Party Conservatives believe and follow the EXACT belief system that Timothy McVeigh did. His quotes are like he's reading from the Tea Party handbook. If you are still hung up on history that goes back a little further, let me know and I'll post you a link that shows how everything the Conservative Christian Rightwing Tea Party stands for is an exact checklist to things fascist regimes like Hitler had in common throughout history. Zing!

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#33387 Aug 30, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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McCain was too left so you voted for Obama?
yeap given the choice since McCain had already proven he was farther to the Left than Obama at the time and do you remember the Keating Five.

Keating Five

The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators – Alan Cranston (Democrat of California), Dennis DeConcini (Democrat of Arizona), John Glenn (Democrat of Ohio), John McCain (Republican of Arizona), and Donald W. Riegle, Jr.(Democrat of Michigan)– were accused of improperly intervening in 1987 on behalf of Charles H. Keating, Jr., Chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of a regulatory investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB). The FHLBB subsequently backed off taking action against Lincoln.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#33388 Aug 30, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>yeap given the choice since McCain had already proven he was farther to the Left than Obama at the time and do you remember the Keating Five.
Keating Five
The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators – Alan Cranston (Democrat of California), Dennis DeConcini (Democrat of Arizona), John Glenn (Democrat of Ohio), John McCain (Republican of Arizona), and Donald W. Riegle, Jr.(Democrat of Michigan)– were accused of improperly intervening in 1987 on behalf of Charles H. Keating, Jr., Chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of a regulatory investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB). The FHLBB subsequently backed off taking action against Lincoln.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
On which issues was McCain more to the left than Obama?

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#33389 Aug 30, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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It doesn't matter whether you're for it or against it. You're in it now and have to deal with the reality that if continued this way, you're going to have a lot of people get screwed out of their life's contributions or a country going into default.
Simply put, if people want these programs, then fine, we have these programs. But you can't have these programs if they are underfunded or can't produce the desired results. If people want these programs, then they are going to have to financially support them. For many, that might take a half of a paycheck. In that case, people can then decide if they want to continue with these programs.
You can't have something for nothing. There is no magic machine where you stick in a five dollar bill and it comes out as a twenty. If you want a twenty dollar bill to come out of that machine, you have to stick a twenty dollar bill in.
Point is people didnt contribute to nothing except to the US Treasury General Fund just as the FDR intended since Social Security was just another means to justify another tax on individuals and businesses which the SCOTUS Confirmed in 1960 which also said there is no rights to Social Security as Nestor found out in 1960 because Social Security is tax which is why there is no property rights to Social Security and we have known this since 1960 when the Liberal Majority confirmed it as stated in section 1104.

As of right now the US Federal Government is 17 trillion dollars in debt and broke which means Social Security is broke too and there is no way that the US cant keep providing for people who choose not to save on their own and bought into this Pseudo Liberalism and if the US continues the path that we are on now the US is going to default which you are right we cant have Government Spending Programs that can sustain themselves which FDR knew about Social Security which is why the Social Secuirty tax has to be raised continuously but if you go by the Liberal's thinking of today they will tax the people that are working even more which is BS to keep the Ponzi Scheme going but the Federal Government isnt going to get rid of Social Security until peoples 401k's and private pension are seized which is why politicians are trying to convince people that their 401k's and pension are safer in Social Security than the Private Market which isnt true.

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#33390 Aug 30, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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On which issues was McCain more to the left than Obama?
all I can tell you is go back and go through videos where McCain is talking and listen to McCain talk then you will understand he is a Leftist and like the saying says "Birds of a feather flock together"(keating five).
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#33391 Aug 30, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>all I can tell you is go back and go through videos where McCain is talking and listen to McCain talk then you will understand he is a Leftist and like the saying says "Birds of a feather flock together"(keating five).
You can't come up with two issues on your own where McCain was to the left of Obama?

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#33392 Aug 30, 2014
Canton wrote:
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I personally think we need to reform our social programs. So what. The fact is there is nobody in these parts that fits how you keep describing Democrats. All the Dems I know work in Steel mills, have paid their taxes and worked their whole lives and have never had a hand out in their entire lives. No invisible commies and hidden freebies from the government. Your FDR fantasy is just dogma, from some wishy washy IQ club wannabe, who is too ashamed to admit they are a rightwing, Fascist Tea Bagger. The fact is Pops is the only person on here who has been on foodstamps, and if XXX went to the ER today, us responsible "Liberals" would be paying the bill, because he would rather buy smokes instead of easily affordable health care. Both are Conservatives. There's the crap you guys run your mouths about all day, like your little FDR trip, and then there is the real world, that is happening right now. The two have nothing to do with each other. You guys blabber about invisible commies that only Tea Bagger propaganda tools can see, and then there's the reality of a bunch of racist, gun hoarding kooks who follow emailed newsletters from oil corporations and who base their votes on which one is more coo coo crazy for Jesus like they are.
You need an Education for sure by your post because most of the people I know that worked in the steel mills in the Pittsburgh area were Republicans and not Liberal Democrats or Democrats and wanted nothing to do with the Democrat Party and all you proving is you are one of them that wants to be dependent on the Government too and looking for any freebies you can get too plus for your information I have worked in the Canton/Akron Area of Ohio too and know that there alot of them on the dole there because of their own choosing vs working which is why the Canton/Arkon area is a $hithole and you can blame Liberalism as they call it today.
woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#33393 Aug 30, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>all I can tell you is go back and go through videos where McCain is talking and listen to McCain talk then you will understand he is a Leftist and like the saying says "Birds of a feather flock together"(keating five).
All he ever says is "Send More Troops" "Drop BOMBS"
Pops

Dayton, OH

#33394 Aug 30, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Thing about those IOU's in West Virgina is they are meaningless because the SCOTUS ruled in 1937 in Helvering v. Davis that Social Security taxes collected are not contributions or savings, but simply taxes, and that Social Security benefits are simply a government spending program, no different than farm & corporate subsidies besides under section 1104 of the Social Security Act of 1935 titled the Reservation of Power, Congress and the president may change, reduce, or even eliminate benefits at any time and the best thing is to eliminate Social Security all together.
I understand that. It just helps to make me cynical about ANY government control of just about anything.
To segue, That is a strong reason that I am against the ACA. Several parts of it are fine. But why does the 'government' need to control it with, of all entities, the IRS enforcing it? Why not just mandate that the insurance companies adjust coverages? Insurance companies already have the software, hardware, personnel, records & more. They also have more oversite than OUR government will ever have. They are like hiring the fox to watch the chicken coop. Just like SS collections & dispersal of said benefits.

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#33395 Aug 30, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>All he ever says is "Send More Troops" "Drop BOMBS"
that too.

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#33396 Aug 30, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I understand that. It just helps to make me cynical about ANY government control of just about anything.
To segue, That is a strong reason that I am against the ACA. Several parts of it are fine. But why does the 'government' need to control it with, of all entities, the IRS enforcing it? Why not just mandate that the insurance companies adjust coverages? Insurance companies already have the software, hardware, personnel, records & more. They also have more oversite than OUR government will ever have. They are like hiring the fox to watch the chicken coop. Just like SS collections & dispersal of said benefits.
Exactly, which is why I am like you and against any Government Social and Economical Control especially now with Obamacare which is nothing more than a big government spending program for the Health Insurance Industry which we all know the SCOTUS ruled that the individual mandate is a tax which then to the Liberals means there is no rights to Health Insurance either now since the Liberals ruled in 1960 in Flemming vs Nestor that individuals have no rights to Social Security for the simple fact that Social Security is based on a tax and can be eliminated which the Federal Government did to Nestor.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#33397 Aug 30, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>all I can tell you is go back and go through videos where McCain is talking and listen to McCain talk then you will understand he is a Leftist and like the saying says "Birds of a feather flock together"(keating five).
Still trying to come up with those issues where McCain was to the left of Obama or did you just give up?
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#33398 Aug 30, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I understand that. It just helps to make me cynical about ANY government control of just about anything.
To segue, That is a strong reason that I am against the ACA. Several parts of it are fine. But why does the 'government' need to control it with, of all entities, the IRS enforcing it? Why not just mandate that the insurance companies adjust coverages? Insurance companies already have the software, hardware, personnel, records & more. They also have more oversite than OUR government will ever have.
Well Pops, you've answered your own question believe it or not.

This idiocy has nothing to do with healthcare. Democrat politicians could give a crap less if you or anybody else has healthcare coverage. It has to do with more government control and creating more government dependents. That's all it was ever about. As I have said repeatedly here, the more government dependent people, the more likely Democrat voters in the future.

Leaving this to the private sector would be counter to their ultimate goal. They don't want the private sector even involved in healthcare. So in Commie Care, there is a clause that all insurance companies must use 80% of their premium collections specifically to pay medical bills.

Insurance companies cannot run like that. If that were the best business model, insurance companies would have done that long ago. But what insurance companies do is invest premium money, and use the profits to offset their medical payouts. They pay their own investigators to find fraud which is something our government doesn't do. They advertise to get more clients.

You can't operate that way with only 20% of your premium collections and the Socialists knew this right from the start. That's why premiums are skyrocketing and will increase even more in the future; because the Commies designed this to eventually put them out of business so we all will have to depend on government for our healthcare.
Pops

Dayton, OH

#33399 Aug 30, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Well Pops, you've answered your own question believe it or not.
This idiocy has nothing to do with healthcare. Democrat politicians could give a crap less if you or anybody else has healthcare coverage. It has to do with more government control and creating more government dependents. That's all it was ever about. As I have said repeatedly here, the more government dependent people, the more likely Democrat voters in the future.
Leaving this to the private sector would be counter to their ultimate goal. They don't want the private sector even involved in healthcare.
I agree 110% It's about buying votes & power. All the more motivation for term limits among other issues.
With the 'government' in control it does at least 2 things; another 'shell' to shuffle money under. And another way to lawfully BUY votes each election while keeping the budget out of balance.
The very sad thing is that improving/expanding health care with Blue Cross, Anthem, Colonial Penn, Nation Wide & others being the functionaries does NOT give the government additional control while expanding coverage with non-government entities which would still serve the public.
EVERYONE wins, but the Dems do not win as much.
A non-obvious issue is that there is also an entirely new department of government employees paid for by the now SCOTUS edict to consume even MORE unsupervised tax payer dollars.
Which will create more monetary movement 'shadows', MORE opportunities of governmental/tax payer waste, MORE cronyism, MORE nepotism, MORE "scratch my back & I'll scratch yours" positioning etc etc.
It is so very sad that politics & keeping ones political position is based so much based & weighted on the vast majority of low intelligent, sound bite voters.

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#33400 Aug 30, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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Still trying to come up with those issues where McCain was to the left of Obama or did you just give up?
Just look at yourself and then you will realize want McCain is like.

Since: Dec 13

Medina, OH

#33401 Aug 30, 2014
Frankly, I'm just trollin' for some KFC and crack here

I know one a you white boys can help me out

Since: Aug 11

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#33402 Aug 30, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
Frankly, I'm just trollin' for some KFC and crack here
I know one a you white boys can help me out
you mean black boys

Since: Dec 13

Medina, OH

#33403 Aug 30, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>you mean black boys
Helllll no

They wants it for free

like everythang else

Since: Aug 11

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#33404 Aug 30, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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Helllll no
They wants it for free
like everythang else
True, they are that way in the Canton/Akron Area too.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#33405 Aug 30, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I agree 110% It's about buying votes & power. All the more motivation for term limits among other issues.
With the 'government' in control it does at least 2 things; another 'shell' to shuffle money under. And another way to lawfully BUY votes each election while keeping the budget out of balance.
The very sad thing is that improving/expanding health care with Blue Cross, Anthem, Colonial Penn, Nation Wide & others being the functionaries does NOT give the government additional control while expanding coverage with non-government entities which would still serve the public.
EVERYONE wins, but the Dems do not win as much.
A non-obvious issue is that there is also an entirely new department of government employees paid for by the now SCOTUS edict to consume even MORE unsupervised tax payer dollars.
Which will create more monetary movement 'shadows', MORE opportunities of governmental/tax payer waste, MORE cronyism, MORE nepotism, MORE "scratch my back & I'll scratch yours" positioning etc etc.
It is so very sad that politics & keeping ones political position is based so much based & weighted on the vast majority of low intelligent, sound bite voters.
None of that in the private sector.

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