Who do you support for Governor in Oh...
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#32392 Aug 4, 2014
Oh, and the margin of error mentioned in their article is +/- 3.6%, but that's for all residents. If you just look at registered voters it's +/- 3.9%. That's why our numbers were slightly different.

"August 2014: Registered voters: n=634, MOE +/- 3.9%; Residents: n=760, MOE +/- 3.6%"

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_...
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#32393 Aug 4, 2014
d pantz wrote:
I voted for Johnson last presidential election. <quoted text>
He seemed like an OK guy when I briefly saw him during the first Republican debate. He struck me as a reasonable fiscal conservative. But his lack of experience in international affairs troubled me. And I didn't think he stood a chance in the Republican race with his views on the legalization of marijuana.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#32394 Aug 4, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
If you look at the last paragraph, the Daily Caller mentions the margin of error (MOE) for these polls is +/- 3.9%. That means that the difference between the Republicans and Democrats (2%) is not statistically significant, so that the truth is that the Congressional races are too close to call. The Daily Caller headline is being deliberately deceptive.
"NBC polled 760 adults with a margin of error of plus-minus 3.6 percentage points."
http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/03/poll-regist...
And that can go plus 3.6% as well.

Anyway the point is that this old worn out wives tale that the public is sick of Republicans and conservatism is on it's way out is exactly that--an old wives tale. Been hearing it for years. It's wishful thinking at best and even the Democrats realize they are in big trouble with this clown in the White House.

All DumBam's little stunts are coming back to haunt him and his party, and I couldn't be happier. When the tens of millions that still don't have health insurance see their income tax refund cut or not come at all, then you are going to see a new wave of Obama haters in the country. Should be perfect timing for next presidential election.
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#32395 Aug 4, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
And that can go plus 3.6% as well.
Anyway the point is that this old worn out wives tale that the public is sick of Republicans and conservatism is on it's way out is exactly that--an old wives tale.
What I've been hearing is that this one is too close to call.

I know you aren't an engineer, but here's the deal: I give you a standard 12" ruler, and ask you to measure an inch. How close will you get?

This particular ruler is smudged pretty badly. Every time you measure that inch it's not quite the same.

Now, instead of inches, you are measuring political opinion.

The best this particular ruler can do is +/- 3.6%. Which is fine when the differences you are measuring are 20 or 30 percent. But it starts to get a bit dicey when the differences are closer to 10% or less.

When the difference is only 2%, this particular ruler just can't discriminate a difference that tiny.

That's what makes a horse race, and, based on this poll, it's a dead heat.
DEMSRULE

Ashland, KY

#32396 Aug 4, 2014
You do understand that 2014 was supposed to be a retardican sweep year, right? This couldn't be better. Retardicans can't stop fighting among themselves long enough to assemble a single piece of legislation that's acceptable to moderates AND batshit teapartiers. Here's their problem. They're supposed to do their jobs no matter who's in the White House. They won't, or can't, or can't figure out how. It doesn't matter which. They look like idiots. They always jump the wrong way, trying to satisfy the extremists in their party, so they've pissed off women and minorities and established themselves as the deportation party. Worst campaign strategy ever. As the election nears, they'll do that other dumb thing they always do, try to suppress the vote in Democratic areas. That generally causes a lot of Democrats to get out and vote against them no matter what. Ah, retardicans. They never learn anything, no matter how many bitter lessons they're taught.
ino

Clyde, OH

#32397 Aug 4, 2014
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#32398 Aug 4, 2014
ino wrote:
ino, do you understand that the article that the Democratic Underground linked to is a pretty obvious JOKE? This is the last line of their post, which maybe you missed:

"Too bad it's satire.."
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#32399 Aug 4, 2014
The headline was also a clue:

"Sean Hannity Denounces Israeli Assault on Gaza (LBN satire)"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10148629...
ino

Clyde, OH

#32400 Aug 4, 2014
It has been edited for sure, because that wasn't the same comments as before. Nothing new for Democrats they change shit all the time.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#32401 Aug 5, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
What I've been hearing is that this one is too close to call.
I know you aren't an engineer, but here's the deal: I give you a standard 12" ruler, and ask you to measure an inch. How close will you get?
This particular ruler is smudged pretty badly. Every time you measure that inch it's not quite the same.
Now, instead of inches, you are measuring political opinion.
The best this particular ruler can do is +/- 3.6%. Which is fine when the differences you are measuring are 20 or 30 percent. But it starts to get a bit dicey when the differences are closer to 10% or less.
When the difference is only 2%, this particular ruler just can't discriminate a difference that tiny.
That's what makes a horse race, and, based on this poll, it's a dead heat.
Agreed. I don't put any good money on polls especially this far away from an election because anything could happen. We might suffer another terrorists attack. Our economy might improve greatly which I suspect might be the case because our company is busy as hell and talking with other drivers, their companies are busy too. We could have an outbreak of diseases traced back to one of these kids jumping over our border. Anything could happen.

But what I don't expect to happen is a close race in the next election. I don't see a 50/50 win for both Republicans and Democrats. I see a loss for Democrats, it's just a matter of how bad they will lose.
woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#32402 Aug 5, 2014
ino wrote:
It has been edited for sure, because that wasn't the same comments as before. Nothing new for Democrats they change shit all the time.
Yet you quote sources that have reported satire articles as facts, and believe them. Do you also call the 1-800 numbers for products you see on Saturday Night Live?
ino

Clyde, OH

#32403 Aug 5, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Yet you quote sources that have reported satire articles as facts, and believe them. Do you also call the 1-800 numbers for products you see on Saturday Night Live?
Democratic Underground is a satire site?
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#32404 Aug 5, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
What I've been hearing is that this one is too close to call.
I know you aren't an engineer, but here's the deal: I give you a standard 12" ruler, and ask you to measure an inch. How close will you get?
This particular ruler is smudged pretty badly. Every time you measure that inch it's not quite the same.
Now, instead of inches, you are measuring political opinion.
The best this particular ruler can do is +/- 3.6%. Which is fine when the differences you are measuring are 20 or 30 percent. But it starts to get a bit dicey when the differences are closer to 10% or less.
When the difference is only 2%, this particular ruler just can't discriminate a difference that tiny.
That's what makes a horse race, and, based on this poll, it's a dead heat.
someone who cared about accuracy would use a micrometer for exact measurements.

Guessing like liberals seem to always do, almost always have reverse outcome desired occur.

Being precise and exact is always better than guessing.

Utilizing a ruler with smudged indicators when digital precise equipment is readily available is not good science.

In 2014 mid term elections expect a lot of firing of incumbents. I predict Harry Reid is no longer Senate leader, and lots of Freshman realizing they were elected to fix what is broken or be fired at next opportunity helps repair broken Washington DC.

woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#32405 Aug 5, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed. I don't put any good money on polls especially this far away from an election because anything could happen. We might suffer another terrorists attack. Our economy might improve greatly which I suspect might be the case because our company is busy as hell and talking with other drivers, their companies are busy too. We could have an outbreak of diseases traced back to one of these kids jumping over our border. Anything could happen.
But what I don't expect to happen is a close race in the next election. I don't see a 50/50 win for both Republicans and Democrats. I see a loss for Democrats, it's just a matter of how bad they will lose.
Like those 'ebola' claims the far right is spewing out? The usual fear tactic, which is mainly all they have. Just one fine example, and there's more:
www.politifact.com
DR Rep. Phil Gingrey statement.
ino

Clyde, OH

#32406 Aug 5, 2014
Making a list of who I hope gets it.
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#32407 Aug 5, 2014
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
Guessing ... almost always have reverse outcome desired occur.
There might be something to that, for some folks. The last election, you guessed President Romney, right?
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
In 2014 mid term elections expect a lot of firing of incumbents. I predict Harry Reid is no longer Senate leader, and lots of Freshman realizing they were elected to fix what is broken or be fired at next opportunity helps repair broken Washington DC.
Your guesses have been noted!
Canton

Canton, OH

#32408 Aug 5, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you should read all the posts before responding. I told Old Guy I was no expert at the Bible or religion.
We have several governing authorities also known as the separation of powers. How many times have YOU disrespected our Republican leaders in Congress...... you know, those people you call racist all the time?
Unfortunately, God didn't put in our governing authority, leaches on social programs did.
So when you claim God doesn't want us to use abortion, and it's not in the Bible, you are...? That's right. You are personally claiming to know the exact will of an unseen and unproven god. My point still stands, despite your blabbering misunderstandings. As far as me "disrespecting" anyone in Congress, I would first have to care about the people in Congress. I know. Let's pretend that there were hundreds of corporate sponsored emails being sent out to denounce Bush during his reign of terror, like we have seen with the Tea Party. Never happened. Now, show me something the Dems claimed during the Bush years that is anything close to being as absurd as Obamacare Death Panels and make sure you have Liberals as prominent as Newt Gingrich is to the Conservatives, agreeing with the nonsense. You guys can tell yourselves you are the "silent majority" all day long. Americans are sick of you and your Tea Bagging racist buddies and like I have stated before, nobody is fooled by your real motivations. Name something Obama did that outrages Conservatives and I'll show you something the Conservative demigod Reagan did even more. I called you a bunch of racists before you guys called Obama racist names. I stated this was all just a corporate agenda using religion before Hobby Lobby played it's little games. The difference between my claims and your Obamacare Death Panels is that I was dead on correct and you and yours are the fodder for long standing and very popular political comedy shows.
ino

Clyde, OH

#32409 Aug 5, 2014
The death panels were directed toward IPAB, but of course you knew that already.

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Racist? What a bunch of bullshit.
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Same game is going to be played by them for Hillary only they will call it sexist if you say anything negative about that biotch you will be a woman hater.
ino

Clyde, OH

#32410 Aug 5, 2014
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#32411 Aug 5, 2014
ino wrote:
The death panels were directed toward IPAB, but of course you knew that already.
That was much later. Originally, Sarah Palin was pretty vague about what she meant exactly, and then pointed to Section 1233 of Obamacare:

""Death panel" is a political term that originated during the 2009 debate about federal health care legislation to cover the uninsured in the United States. The term was coined in August 2009 by Sarah Palin, the former Republican Governor of Alaska, when she charged that the proposed legislation would create a "death panel" of bureaucrats who would decide whether Americans¬ósuch as her elderly parents or children with Down syndrome¬ówere "worthy of medical care". Palin's claim, however, was debunked, and it has been referred to as the "death panel myth",[1] as nothing in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being judged to see if they were worthy of health care.[2] Palin's spokesperson pointed to Section 1233 of bill HR 3200 which would have paid physicians for providing voluntary counseling to Medicare patients about living wills, advance directives, and end-of-life care options."

"Sarah Palin, who had been keeping a low profile after her July 3, 2009, resignation announcement as Alaska's Governor,[15][20] was the first to use the "death panel" term on August 7, 2009. In her first Facebook note, she said:[21][22][23]

[G]overnment health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.[24]

Though Palin's post did not identify a portion of legislation she believed mandated "death panels",[25] a spokesperson pointed to HR 3200, Section 1233,[26][27][28] and Palin herself followed up in an August 12 Facebook note clarifying her argument by discussing Section 1233.[25] However, neither Section 1233 nor any other provision in any health care bill provided for a system to determine if individuals were worthy of health care.[2]"

Later, she mentioned what would become the IPAB:

"Palin expanded her "death panel" attack to target the precursor of the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), a potential cost-cutting mechanism for Medicare, in September 2009.[116][117] After the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform released its recommendation to strengthen the IPAB, which had passed as part of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), she later charged that the board was " 'death panel'-like".[118] FactCheck found her characterization of the board wrong on three counts.[119]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel

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