Canton

Canton, OH

#31424 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Oh, so you read Rush Limbaugh's books? Tell us now, how did you like them?
No need. After I saw it was about how socialism ruined Thanksgiving, I realized it was just a sick and desperate ploy by the out of touch Tea Baggers to try to fool kids into thinking their racist crap is a viable option for our country's future.
Canton

Canton, OH

#31425 Jul 13, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Nancy's statement, even out of content, stands on it's own. There is no way that a responsible person/representative would or should ever 'buy a pig in a poke'. 2000 pages! and no one really understood what was there? Rediculous, irresponsible, idiotic & more to vote for such a bill.
It was just a rush to get something through before the numbers changed in congress. AND it was not on the web for the period of time that Obama said that all bills would be for feedback. I find that questionable at best.
As to your question,Health Ins companies were limited by law pertaining to selling across state lines. Then there's the very real possibility that legislation could have compelled the pre-existing condition issue, covering birth control (even for those that will not be procreating), dependent youths coverage etc without creating an entire & likely inept political dept that creates a new shell for a government shell game of tax payer funds. A shell that expands the already suspicious autocratic IRS.
So what you are trying to say is thank you president Obama for the tax break he gave you?
Canton

Canton, OH

#31426 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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So because they did some good, they are given permission to be part of the political process but corporations not?
Before you look over the fence to see what your opponents are doing, you better look behind you and see what your side is doing before you say Nya, nya, nya, nya.
Most corporations give to both sides. In most cases, one side more than the other, but both parties get it.
How about corporate sponsored religion in politics? You ok with that? Seeing how it doesn't mention abortion or birth control in the Holy Bible, which is what Christianity is founded on, what religion EXACTLY is Hobby Lobby injecting into a corporate agenda? Let's flip that coin. My religion says I can't work on Monday. I'm sure the corporations will respect my religious beliefs and never schedule me for that day...right? Sure they would. Anyway. As I have explained to you before, unions are flawed but allowing the corporations to choose what is best for us has never worked out for the middle class, working man. You know this. You are just high on boss man's ass crack.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#31427 Jul 13, 2014
Canton wrote:
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How about corporate sponsored religion in politics? You ok with that? Seeing how it doesn't mention abortion or birth control in the Holy Bible, which is what Christianity is founded on, what religion EXACTLY is Hobby Lobby injecting into a corporate agenda? Let's flip that coin. My religion says I can't work on Monday. I'm sure the corporations will respect my religious beliefs and never schedule me for that day...right? Sure they would. Anyway. As I have explained to you before, unions are flawed but allowing the corporations to choose what is best for us has never worked out for the middle class, working man. You know this. You are just high on boss man's ass crack.
Employers decide what they will pay an employee in wages and benefits, not the government. That's not what a federal government is for.

Wages and benefits are discussed during the interview process. It is then up to the applicant to accept or decline a possible job offer.

Most if not all religions view abortion as murder. Therefore if an employer is forced by the government to participate in those murders, he, she, or they have every right to object. The federal government should not be allowed to force a person(s) to participate in an activity against their creed. Why is that so hard to understand?

As for companies respecting an employees religion, yes, it does happen from time to time:

updated 3/18/2007 12:14:18 AM ET

MINNEAPOLIS — Muslim cashiers at some local Target stores who object to ringing up products that contain pork are being shifted to other positions where they don’t need to, the discount retailer said Saturday.

The Star Tribune reported this past week that some Muslim cashiers at local Targets had declined to scan pork products such as bacon because doing so would conflict with their religious beliefs. They would ask other cashiers to ring up such purchases, or sometimes customers would scan those items themselves, the newspaper reported.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17665989/ns/busines...
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#31428 Jul 13, 2014
Canton wrote:
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No need. After I saw it was about how socialism ruined Thanksgiving, I realized it was just a sick and desperate ploy by the out of touch Tea Baggers to try to fool kids into thinking their racist crap is a viable option for our country's future.
I see. So what you're doing is criticizing books that you've never read. How very liberal of you.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#31429 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Oh, so you read Rush Limbaugh's books? Tell us now, how did you like them?
They are much like his radio show. Filled with bogus "facts" that reinforce whatever dumb point he is trying to make. Many of the wrong ideas I see in this forum can be traced back to Rush.

For example, "There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of genocide?" (Told You So, p. 68). "According to Carl Shaw of the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs, estimates of the pre-Columbus population of what later became the United States range from 5 million to 15 million. Native populations in the late 19th century fell to 250,000, due in part to genocidal policies. Today the U.S.'s Native American population is about 2 million."

Here's another: "The worst of all of this is the lie that condoms really protect against AIDS. The condom failure rate can be as high as 20 percent. Would you get on a plane -- or put your children on a plane -- if one of five passengers would be killed on the flight? Well, the statistic holds for condoms, folks." (Ought to Be, p. 135) "Not true, according to Dr. Joseph Kelaghan, who evaluates contraceptives for the National Institutes of Health. "There is substantive evidence that condoms prevent transmission if used consistently and properly," he said. He pointed to a nearly two-year study of couples in which one partner was HIV-positive. Among the 123 couples who used condoms regularly, there wasn't a single new infection."

http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/the-way...

Reading Rush's books and taking him seriously will make you more ignorant, not less.
Canton

Canton, OH

#31430 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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I see. So what you're doing is criticizing books that you've never read. How very liberal of you.
I don't like Hitler either, even though I never met him.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#31431 Jul 13, 2014
Canton wrote:
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Seeing how it doesn't mention abortion or birth control in the Holy Bible, which is what Christianity is founded on,.
Christianity founded on birth control?!? Here you go with the fiction again. You are awesome
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#31432 Jul 13, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
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Reading Rush's books and taking him seriously will make you more ignorant, not less.
I see, so to make your point, you went all the way back to 1993-1994?

The book he wrote won him children's author of the year award and I'm sure the book was checked out carefully. I think what you and Canton do is use your hatred of the man to try and put down his very successful children's book.

Looking for criticisms of his book I searched through FactCheck, Snopes, Politico and a few others including PBS. Nothing negative or challenging about Rush Revere.

On the other hand, Hillarious's book was a total flop and the publishing company is going to take a huge hit because of the millions they fronted her.

Success vs Failure, and liberals will choose failure on any given day.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#31433 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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I don't know, but it would be interesting if we could somehow ask them.
And then I would ask them if they intended unions to infiltrate our governments sending states into hell holes of debt. And I would ask them if they intended for unions to take money from people so they could influence elections. I mean, I can't see any of the founders saying that corporations should not be allowed to fund politics but unions could because unions are people and corporations are not.
That explains the bitterness," No Major Carriers Would Hire Me."
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#31434 Jul 13, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text> Christianity founded on birth control?!? Here you go with the fiction again. You are awesome
Or, we could go back to every American being guaranteed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. What is your definition of being guaranteed life?
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#31435 Jul 13, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
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Yes, let's return to the "good old days" before Social Security, when more than half of senior citizens lived in poverty.
"Today, Social Security is the nation’s single most important anti-poverty tool – lifting about 21.4 million people of all ages out of poverty. Social Security lifts about 35 percent of older Americans (almost 14.5 million) out of poverty by providing a regular, guaranteed retirement income. Thanks to Social Security, only about 8.7 percent of Americans aged 65 and over—and many of these are not beneficiaries—fall below the Census Bureau’s poverty thresholds ."
http://blog.aarp.org/2013/07/01/social-securi...
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Yes, and the choice to enact Social Security had the consequence of lifting million out of poverty.
<quoted text>
Those who have been here for a while know that I almost always document my statements with links to nonpartisan sources.
You, on the other hand, seem to have a lot of strong opinions, but little evidence for what you say.
I know a lot of folks on Social Security who are living in subsidized housing and receive both Medicaid/Medicare, as well as food bank help. They also do without meds. Your definition of poverty must be different than mine, since the average income for a single female is $13,000. Not sure how you can live on that.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#31436 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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I see, so to make your point, you went all the way back to 1993-1994?
The book he wrote won him children's author of the year award and I'm sure the book was checked out carefully. I think what you and Canton do is use your hatred of the man to try and put down his very successful children's book.
Looking for criticisms of his book I searched through FactCheck, Snopes, Politico and a few others including PBS. Nothing negative or challenging about Rush Revere.
On the other hand, Hillarious's book was a total flop and the publishing company is going to take a huge hit because of the millions they fronted her.
Success vs Failure, and liberals will choose failure on any given day.
HAHAHAHAHA. Pathetic.
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#31437 Jul 13, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
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Yes, let's return to the "good old days" before Social Security, when more than half of senior citizens lived in poverty.
"Today, Social Security is the nation’s single most important anti-poverty tool – lifting about 21.4 million people of all ages out of poverty. Social Security lifts about 35 percent of older Americans (almost 14.5 million) out of poverty by providing a regular, guaranteed retirement income. Thanks to Social Security, only about 8.7 percent of Americans aged 65 and over—and many of these are not beneficiaries—fall below the Census Bureau’s poverty thresholds ."
http://blog.aarp.org/2013/07/01/social-securi...
<quoted text>
Yes, and the choice to enact Social Security had the consequence of lifting million out of poverty.
<quoted text>
Those who have been here for a while know that I almost always document my statements with links to nonpartisan sources.
You, on the other hand, seem to have a lot of strong opinions, but little evidence for what you say.
At least I know to look at the true census numbers instead of believing a partisan organization.

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/pdf/c...
Canton

Canton, OH

#31438 Jul 13, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text> Christianity founded on birth control?!? Here you go with the fiction again. You are awesome
Do you think perhaps that I was saying that Christianity was based on the Holy Bible? Man, I wish you were just being sarcastic, but your track record tells us that you really are that dense.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#31439 Jul 13, 2014
Wait what wrote:
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Or, we could go back to every American being guaranteed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. What is your definition of being guaranteed life?
I don't know what Pop's thinks, but a liberal would probably tell you: gun control, SNAP's card, Obama phone, HUD house in the suburbs and Obama Care. LOL!

I mean......what a life... LOL!
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#31440 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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I don't know what Pop's thinks, but a liberal would probably tell you: gun control, SNAP's card, Obama phone, HUD house in the suburbs and Obama Care. LOL!
I mean......what a life... LOL!
Keep setting up those strawmen, TR.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#31441 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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I see, so to make your point, you went all the way back to 1993-1994?
Sorry, Ray, but you were asking about books we read. Those are the books by Rush that I actually read. I know he did some children's books recently, but I haven't read them. Have you? I don't tend to read children's books. Has Rush written anything for adults lately? If he has, I haven't heard about them.
xxxrayted wrote:
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On the other hand, Hillarious's book was a total flop ...
Do you really think I care about how Hillary's book is doing? Books by (trying to be) Presidents tend to suck. Remember Jim Carter's "Why Not the Best?" They aren't books, they are infomercials.

So, Ray, I'm curious. Do you read books? My guess would be "no" (because very few people read books these days.) If you do read, what's the last fiction book you read? I enjoyed reading "One Hundred Years of Solitude". In the nonfiction category, I've been reading "The Great American Broadcast", which is about the early days of radio, when it was still live dramas and comedies (revisiting my lost youth!) I think you might enjoy both of them.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#31442 Jul 13, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Nancy's statement, even out of content, stands on it's own.
Not sure if you were making a joke there or not...

But context is important. Here's a public figure from long ago responding to a reporter's question:

Q. "Has this trip changed your views any about Latin America and your policies? Do you see any perspectives differently after this trip?

A. "you know, they're all individual countries."

Does this out of context response "stand on its own"?
lazy bones

Portsmouth, OH

#31443 Jul 13, 2014
Turd fart

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