Who do you support for Governor in Oh...
woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#28482 May 17, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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And you are the perfect example of that.
I suppose you think the same of Old Guy every time he corrects that sorry brain on those shoulders. Most of the time I just laugh at those teabagger professional victim posts that you put on here. No matter how many times you nutbags get proven wrong, just like clockwork you find some far right corporate paid for lies to try to prove a nutbag point. That is a proven FACT. And you never fail to disappoint on that fact.
woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#28483 May 17, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Media Matters? HAHAHAHAHAH.
Fox News? HAHAHAHA Cnsnews? HAHAHAHA The Blaze? HAHAHAHA Breitbart? HAHAHAHA World Net Daily? HAHAHAHA InfoWars? HAHAHAHA
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28484 May 17, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>I suppose you think the same of Old Guy every time he corrects that sorry brain on those shoulders. Most of the time I just laugh at those teabagger professional victim posts that you put on here. No matter how many times you nutbags get proven wrong, just like clockwork you find some far right corporate paid for lies to try to prove a nutbag point. That is a proven FACT. And you never fail to disappoint on that fact.
Old Guy isn't a troll. You are. That's the difference.
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28485 May 17, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
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Canton's point was that oil companies lobby the government. They do this through a variety of front groups. Denying climate change is just seen as being good for their business.
"The American Petroleum Institute (API), is the largest trade association for the oil and gas industry, claiming to represent around 400 corporations engaged in oil production, extraction (including hydrofracking), distribution, and other aspects of the industry. API is based in Washington, D.C. and has offices in 27 state capitals.
API is a powerful lobby, spending around $7.3 million on lobbying each year in 2010 and 2009, and spending $6.3 million in 2011.
It is also a major political spender, and has created numerous front groups to advance its political agenda. It also funds groups like Americans for Prosperity and the American Legislative Exchange Council."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...
Canton's point is that he believes any scientist that doesn't believe man is controlling the climate must have ulterior motives. It just doesn't make sense to Canton that scientists disagree with global warming based on common sense and multiple factors that support their theory.

My point is that much of science gets their money through government. Government is hell bent on this global warming thing because if they can convince enough people that this theory is fact, the people will willingly surrender this control of our energy to the government.

No matter what, I'm always suspicious when government wants to take control over something. It's one of my main objections to Commie Care. The more control government has, the more power they have, and I think that government has way too much control over the people as it is.

If there is global warming, prove it, tell us what it would take to stop it, and tell us how much money it's going to cost us. Thus far, nobody has been able to do any of these things. That's why it's a farce.
woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#28486 May 17, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Canton's point is that he believes any scientist that doesn't believe man is controlling the climate must have ulterior motives. It just doesn't make sense to Canton that scientists disagree with global warming based on common sense and multiple factors that support their theory.
My point is that much of science gets their money through government. Government is hell bent on this global warming thing because if they can convince enough people that this theory is fact, the people will willingly surrender this control of our energy to the government.
No matter what, I'm always suspicious when government wants to take control over something. It's one of my main objections to Commie Care. The more control government has, the more power they have, and I think that government has way too much control over the people as it is.
If there is global warming, prove it, tell us what it would take to stop it, and tell us how much money it's going to cost us. Thus far, nobody has been able to do any of these things. That's why it's a farce.
Most people would bet the bank that the false concern you have started exactly in 2008.
Helen Roper

Dublin, OH

#28487 May 17, 2014
Kasich is the best! Love him.
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#28488 May 17, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Canton's point is that he believes any scientist that doesn't believe man is controlling the climate must have ulterior motives. It just doesn't make sense to Canton that scientists disagree with global warming based on common sense and multiple factors that support their theory.
At this point in time, the vast majority of climate scientists believe in man-made climate change. Most of the few that don't are funded by energy companies that have a vested interest in maintaining our reliance on fossil fuels.
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
My point is that much of science gets their money through government. Government is hell bent on this global warming thing because if they can convince enough people that this theory is fact, the people will willingly surrender this control of our energy to the government.
This is where your argument breaks down for me. Who in the government originally came up with this vast conspiracy, that survives changes in administration?
xxxrayted wrote:
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If there is global warming, prove it, tell us what it would take to stop it, and tell us how much money it's going to cost us. Thus far, nobody has been able to do any of these things. That's why it's a farce.
When you go to your doctor, and he tells you that you are sick with cancer, do you ask what it going to take to completely stop it and how much it would cost, before you would begin any kind of treatment?

Scientists have been studying the idea of man-made climate change for a long time. As with most new ideas in science, it was rejected at first. It acceptance has been a slow process. The fact that the vast majority of climate scientist now accept the idea is due to an increasing amount of evidence that supports the theory.

"In 1896 a Swedish scientist published a new idea. As humanity burned fossil fuels such as coal, which added carbon dioxide gas to the Earth's atmosphere, we would raise the planet's average temperature. This "greenhouse effect" was only one of many speculations about climate change, however, and not the most plausible. Scientists found technical reasons to argue that our emissions could not change the climate. Indeed most thought it was obvious that puny humanity could never affect the vast climate cycles, which were governed by a benign "balance of nature." In any case major change seemed impossible except over tens of thousands of years.

In the 1930s, people realized that the United States and North Atlantic region had warmed significantly during the previous half-century. Scientists supposed this was just a phase of some mild natural cycle, with unknown causes. Only one lone voice, the amateur G.S. Callendar, insisted that greenhouse warming was on the way. Whatever the cause of warming, everyone thought that if it happened to continue for the next few centuries, so much the better.

In the 1950s, Callendar's claims provoked a few scientists to look into the question with improved techniques and calculations. What made that possible was a sharp increase of government funding, especially from military agencies with Cold War concerns about the weather and the seas. The new studies showed that, contrary to earlier crude estimates, carbon dioxide could indeed build up in the atmosphere and should bring warming. Painstaking measurements drove home the point in 1960 by showing that the level of the gas was in fact rising, year by year. "

"Moreover, by the late 1970s global temperatures had begun to rise again. Many climate scientists had become convinced that the rise was likely to continue as greenhouse gases accumulated. By around 2000, some predicted, an unprecedented global warming would become apparent. Their worries first caught wide public attention in the summer of 1988, the hottest on record till then.(Most since then have been hotter.)"

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/summary.ht...
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Old Guy

Mason, OH

#28489 May 17, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Canton's point is that he believes any scientist that doesn't believe man is controlling the climate must have ulterior motives. It just doesn't make sense to Canton that scientists disagree with global warming based on common sense and multiple factors that support their theory.
At this point in time, the vast majority of climate scientists believe in man-made climate change. Most of the few that don't are funded by energy companies that have a vested interest in maintaining our reliance on fossil fuels.
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
My point is that much of science gets their money through government. Government is hell bent on this global warming thing because if they can convince enough people that this theory is fact, the people will willingly surrender this control of our energy to the government.
This is where your argument breaks down for me. Who in the government originally came up with this vast conspiracy, that survives changes in administration?
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
If there is global warming, prove it, tell us what it would take to stop it, and tell us how much money it's going to cost us. Thus far, nobody has been able to do any of these things. That's why it's a farce.
When you go to your doctor, and he tells you that you are sick with cancer, do you ask what it going to take to completely stop it and how much it would cost, before you would begin any kind of treatment?

Scientists have been studying the idea of man-made climate change for a long time. As with most new ideas in science, it was rejected at first. It acceptance has been a slow process. The fact that the vast majority of climate scientist now accept the idea is due to an increasing amount of evidence that supports the theory.

"In 1896 a Swedish scientist published a new idea. As humanity burned fossil fuels such as coal, which added carbon dioxide gas to the Earth's atmosphere, we would raise the planet's average temperature. This "greenhouse effect" was only one of many speculations about climate change, however, and not the most plausible. Scientists found technical reasons to argue that our emissions could not change the climate. Indeed most thought it was obvious that puny humanity could never affect the vast climate cycles, which were governed by a benign "balance of nature." In any case major change seemed impossible except over tens of thousands of years.

In the 1930s, people realized that the United States and North Atlantic region had warmed significantly during the previous half-century. Scientists supposed this was just a phase of some mild natural cycle, with unknown causes. Only one lone voice, the amateur G.S. Callendar, insisted that greenhouse warming was on the way. Whatever the cause of warming, everyone thought that if it happened to continue for the next few centuries, so much the better.

In the 1950s, Callendar's claims provoked a few scientists to look into the question with improved techniques and calculations. What made that possible was a sharp increase of government funding, especially from military agencies with Cold War concerns about the weather and the seas. The new studies showed that, contrary to earlier crude estimates, carbon dioxide could indeed build up in the atmosphere and should bring warming. Painstaking measurements drove home the point in 1960 by showing that the level of the gas was in fact rising, year by year. "

"Moreover, by the late 1970s global temperatures had begun to rise again. Many climate scientists had become convinced that the rise was likely to continue as greenhouse gases accumulated. By around 2000, some predicted, an unprecedented global warming would become apparent. Their worries first caught wide public attention in the summer of 1988, the hottest on record till then.(Most since then have been hotter.)"

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/summary.ht...
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#28490 May 17, 2014
"The world's governments had created a panel to give them the most reliable possible advice, as negotiated among thousands of climate experts and officials. By 2001 this Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) managed to establish a consensus, phrased so cautiously that scarcely any expert or government representative dissented. They announced that although the climate system was so complex that scientists would never reach complete certainty, it was much more likely than not that our civilization faced severe global warming. At that point the discovery of global warming was essentially completed. Scientists knew the most important things about how the climate could change during the 21st century. How the climate would actually change now depended chiefly on what policies humanity would choose for its greenhouse gas emissions.

Since 2001, greatly improved computer models and an abundance of data of many kinds strengthened the conclusion that human emissions are very likely to cause serious climate change. The IPCC's conclusions were reviewed and endorsed by the national science academies of every major nation from the United States to China, along with leading scientific societies and indeed virtually every organization that could speak for a scientific consensus."

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/summary.ht...
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28491 May 17, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
"The world's governments had created a panel to give them the most reliable possible advice, as negotiated among thousands of climate experts and officials. By 2001 this Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) managed to establish a consensus, phrased so cautiously that scarcely any expert or government representative dissented. They announced that although the climate system was so complex that scientists would never reach complete certainty, it was much more likely than not that our civilization faced severe global warming. At that point the discovery of global warming was essentially completed. Scientists knew the most important things about how the climate could change during the 21st century. How the climate would actually change now depended chiefly on what policies humanity would choose for its greenhouse gas emissions.
Since 2001, greatly improved computer models and an abundance of data of many kinds strengthened the conclusion that human emissions are very likely to cause serious climate change. The IPCC's conclusions were reviewed and endorsed by the national science academies of every major nation from the United States to China, along with leading scientific societies and indeed virtually every organization that could speak for a scientific consensus."
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/summary.ht...
Which would be fine if these computer models were accurate, but they are not:

Report: 95 percent of global warming models are wrong
3:30 PM 02/11/2014

Environmentalists and Democrats often cite a “97 percent” consensus among climate scientists about global warming. But they never cite estimates that 95 percent of climate models predicting global temperature rises have been wrong.

Former NASA scientist Dr. Roy Spencer says that climate models used by government agencies to create policies “have failed miserably.” Spencer analyzed 90 climate models against surface temperature and satellite temperature data, and found that more than 95 percent of the models “have over-forecast the warming trend since 1979, whether we use their own surface temperature dataset (HadCRUT4), or our satellite dataset of lower tropospheric temperatures (UAH).”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/11/report-95-p...
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28492 May 17, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
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At this point in time, the vast majority of climate scientists believe in man-made climate change. Most of the few that don't are funded by energy companies that have a vested interest in maintaining our reliance on fossil fuels.
<quoted text>
This is where your argument breaks down for me. Who in the government originally came up with this vast conspiracy, that survives changes in administration?
<quoted text>
When you go to your doctor, and he tells you that you are sick with cancer, do you ask what it going to take to completely stop it and how much it would cost, before you would begin any kind of treatment?
.
Good question. If my doctor had empirical evidence that I did have cancer, then expense would be less of an issue. If my doctor just looked into my eyes, checked my pulse, and asked me to cough and stated he thought I had cancer, would I be willing to spend the thousands of dollars and the torture of chemo therapy over a hunch? See, that's what we are really talking about here.
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#28493 May 17, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Former NASA scientist Dr. Roy Spencer says that climate models used by government agencies to create policies “have failed miserably.”
Unfortunately, Dr. Spencer is an Evangelical Christian, and that informs his opinions regarding global warming.

"Spencer is a signatory to An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming, which states that "Earth and its ecosystems – created by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting"."

"In TCS Daily, Spencer wrote, "Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years. And finally, despite my previous acceptance of evolutionary theory as 'fact,' I came to the realization that intelligent design, as a theory of origins, is no more religious, and no less scientific, than evolutionism. In the scientific community, I am not alone."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_%28s...

He may not be alone, but he's in a very small minority among scientists:

"An overwhelming majority of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity. Nearly every scientific society, representing hundreds of thousands of scientists, has issued statements rejecting intelligent design[ and a petition supporting the teaching of evolutionary biology was endorsed by 72 US Nobel Prize winners."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support...
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28494 May 17, 2014
So because the guy is religious, he's incorrect or lying? Now you're stretching it, aren't you?
Canton

United States

#28496 May 17, 2014
hi i'm canton i'm whoreee.
Canton

United States

#28498 May 17, 2014
noone don't like me and i'm gonna cry boo boo boo
Canton

United States

#28499 May 17, 2014
has aids heard hes in the hospital getting his peckerrr taken off
Canton

United States

#28500 May 17, 2014
blowme
woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#28501 May 17, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
So because the guy is religious, he's incorrect or lying? Now you're stretching it, aren't you?
HAHAHAHA You really are pathetic. Bend over and pick your a** off up of the floor. It just got reamed. And that's the best you got?
woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#28502 May 17, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Which would be fine if these computer models were accurate, but they are not:
Report: 95 percent of global warming models are wrong
3:30 PM 02/11/2014
Environmentalists and Democrats often cite a “97 percent” consensus among climate scientists about global warming. But they never cite estimates that 95 percent of climate models predicting global temperature rises have been wrong.
Former NASA scientist Dr. Roy Spencer says that climate models used by government agencies to create policies “have failed miserably.” Spencer analyzed 90 climate models against surface temperature and satellite temperature data, and found that more than 95 percent of the models “have over-forecast the warming trend since 1979, whether we use their own surface temperature dataset (HadCRUT4), or our satellite dataset of lower tropospheric temperatures (UAH).”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/11/report-95-p...
Daily Caller? HAHAHAHA
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#28503 May 17, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>HAHAHAHA You really are pathetic. Bend over and pick your a** off up of the floor. It just got reamed. And that's the best you got?
Hey troll, can you tell me what month is was when you ever offered anything of substance to our discussions? See, that's why you're a troll.

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