Emotional Blackmail in Springboro

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Just Boring wrote:
Not at all interested in anything on this blog that cristopherritter is being paid to spew out on topix. Whatever is this silly blogger talking about? Is his group paid to babble on with such nonsense by the SEA/NFSS?
No, I've been lurking on this forum long enough to tell when paid corporate shills are towing the company line to influence local elections. You've used up your preemptive attacks on Mr. Bowman, and all the other private citizens who you've labeled as a paid employee in order to cover your own tracks.

I have now way of knowing if it was one of your cohorts or another shadowy account, but someone has already shared the agenda of the Education Action Group on this forum. The position of the Tea Party on the Board of Education, in both Springboro and Strongsville, as well Chicago where the involvement of both the Tea Party and the EAG were documented by Tea Party Leaders themselves, in all cases the corporate agenda is the same, to weaken local unions in order to privatize the educational system.

For whatever reason you have decided to attack the Springboro public education system, if you a corporate shill for the Tea Party trying to cover your tracks, or a seriously misguided member of our community, the voters must know the difference between education as a pillar of our community, and whatever for-profit model you're selling.
Where Is Accountability

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OGT lack of worthwhile standards and again nobody stands up and gives any answers for any of this, just give me more money or your kids will suffer.
Ask the high school staff if any of this is true or not. I looked up the same stuff Just Watching did.

Still waiting for your clarification on your post.

If you can find the question I will try and come up with the answer.

Or you could explain to all of us why you are not defining the classification of "Proficient" on the OGT.

A helpful tutelage from the Ohio Department of Education on the scales for the results on the Math test

Limited.........0-12 points..........0-25% correct on the test
Basic..........12.5-17.5 points.......26%-36% correct on the test
PROFICIENT...18-27 points..........37.5%-56% correct on the test
Accelerated...27.5-34 points..........57%-71% correct on the test
Advanced......34.5-48 points..........72%-100% correct on the test

This is not a difficult test, take it for yourself, it is on the ODE website.

http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates/Pages ...

Then wonder why after two years of preparation in our "college prep" high school, nearly 40% of the children taking this test score 75% or less, and still have not mastered basic math covering what should have been learned in grades 1-9. They even let a child use a calculator and provide a cheat sheet with all the necessary formulas required to answer the questions on the test.

Seriously, who wishes to defend labeling a student who has mastered less than 56% of the math material as "PROFICIENT"?

Only our high school administration team would sit in front of the cameras and present to the community 97.4% of our students taking the OGT were "PROFICIENT" and above. And then proceed to bask in the clapping and cheering from the union and the union supporters with a straight face.

“Civic Innovation Designer”

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Where Is Accountability wrote:
Or you could explain to all of us why you are not defining the classification of "Proficient" on the OGT... Seriously, who wishes to defend labeling a student who has mastered less than 56% of the math material as "PROFICIENT"?
Please, help me out here, and forgive me for a moment if this is another moniker which I've railed against elsewhere in this forum. Because I cannot begin to tell you how much I agree with your point above. However, it seems to me that the BOE has the ultimate say in my child's education, and that private organizations funded by the Tea Party are exploiting the obvious weakness in Unions for their own profit. I feel like I'm left with two choices: public education which will bankrupt our government, or for-profit education which will bankrupt me.

So how am I supposed to fix a problem in one of the key pillars of our community, when the only two solutions solutions lead to bankruptcy?

I'm proud to admit that I'm one of the crazies on this message board, and I honestly believe that open government is the solution. We the people should have the same level of access to our governement as we do our cellphone accounts. I want to know how much I'm spending for what service, along with the option to unsubscribe from unnecessary or unfairly priced features. That is the level of control that I want over all of our local government services, because that is the level of control I have come to expect from every other aspect of modern life.

But tell me, how can my crazy idea or any other make a difference in this small town, when big money and big power are squaring off right over our heads?
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christopherritter wrote:
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Please, help me out here, and forgive me for a moment if this is another moniker which I've railed against elsewhere in this forum. Because I cannot begin to tell you how much I agree with your point above. However, it seems to me that the BOE has the ultimate say in my child's education, and that private organizations funded by the Tea Party are exploiting the obvious weakness in Unions for their own profit. I feel like I'm left with two choices: public education which will bankrupt our government, or for-profit education which will bankrupt me.
So how am I supposed to fix a problem in one of the key pillars of our community, when the only two solutions solutions lead to bankruptcy?
I'm proud to admit that I'm one of the crazies on this message board, and I honestly believe that open government is the solution. We the people should have the same level of access to our governement as we do our cellphone accounts. I want to know how much I'm spending for what service, along with the option to unsubscribe from unnecessary or unfairly priced features. That is the level of control that I want over all of our local government services, because that is the level of control I have come to expect from every other aspect of modern life.
But tell me, how can my crazy idea or any other make a difference in this small town, when big money and big power are squaring off right over our heads?
one need look no further than the leadership of the city, and the township...and they have been doing their power trip here for years and years.
Stop OEA War of Words

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christopherritter wrote:
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While it's unclear whether or not the same person is posting the same message from multiple accounts, or that a minority of the residents of Springboro have picked up on the meme, the practice of labeling policy to which you disagree as "emotional blackmail" is quite prevalent on the Springboro Topix forum.
What's interesting about this approach is that it doesn't actually MEAN anything. Of course, there are issues facing our community, but they don't want you to THINK about the issues. That's the whole point of good propaganda. You want to create a slogan that nobody's going to be against, that everyone will be for, because nobody knows that it means, because it doesn't mean anything. But its crucial value is that it diverts your attention from an issue that DOES mean something: "Do you support our levy?" And that's the one you're not allowed to talk about.
Consider for a moment the use of the word "Terrorist." The Reagan administration supported terrorism by providing financial and military support to the Contras, and Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel recently confirmed that the Obama administration is seriously considering arming terrorists in Syria. However, we don't refer to them as terrorists. These were/are freedom fighters, rebels, or other empty slogans that nobody is going to be against. The question is, how do we differ between who is actually a terrorist, and whom is propagating REAL emotional blackmail?
As I mentioned earlier, what we need is a clear view of the issues before we can understand the propaganda. In terrorism, the issue isn't whether or not we support their goals, but whether or not we condone the murder of innocent civilians. The same is true for emotional blackmail. The issue has nothing to do with government tyranny, but instead the financing of essential services such as emergency services and our educational system. There is of course corruption and fraud alongside growth and prosperity when looking at the issues we face, but the real "emotional blackmail" comes from those who would obscure our view of these issues with their empty slogans.
Our Springboro Schools Transparency Project has clearly revealed the truth to Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners. Now we all know it is David Bowman, Lisa Babb and Jane Gregg leading the SEA campaign of emotional blackmailing for dollars against local taxpayers.
Not a chance that Springboro citizens for responsible spending will "buy in to" the silly symbolism of the "victim project supporting our teachers.
The time has come to express appreciation and respect to our Springboro teachers WHO deserve respect they have earned.
NO RESPECT DUE OUR BULLY TEACHERS AND NONE OFFERED!
Springboro taxpayers have offered a proposal contract of a "fair day's pay for a fair day's work" to SEA union employees desiring to work in our Wonderful Schools and Community.
SpringBoro Taxpayer

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When I go into our schools and see our great working conditions for Springboro school employees, and the quality of education being offered by our children first budgeting, I can only think WOW, this is great! I can only question WHY every parent in this school district is not speaking up in thanks and appreciation; and why our teachers are not projecting thanks and appreciation to our board representatives and school district taxpayers for opportunity to work in our great schools and wonderful community!
It is a privilege for Springboro taxpayers to offer our valued teachers and staff such pleasant and comfortable working conditions as these:

Working conditions
1. New technology, and technology upgrades galore,
2. Clean and well kept facilities,
3. 7.25 hour work day,
4. Paid leave = 15 sick days and 4 personal days off per year,
5. Subs when need,$700,000 in supplemental pay possibilities.
6. Field trips for students and teachers permitted to run trips off line,
7. Moderate sized class for teacher across all grade levels,
8. More support staff for special education and gifted on the horizon,
9. New text books for learning,
10.Fully funded athletic programs,
11.Tons of extra curricular activities for teachers and students,
12.Smart kids making learning easier(better than our urban counterparts,
13.Engaged parents that support educators programs and needs,
14.Great pto organizations that support educators and students needs,
15.A board of education that supports student achievement,
16.Smart boards in every class,
17.A board of education that is focused on policy and safety for our students and teachers,
18.new stages,
19.More band equipment ($35,000 for all kids),
20.Excellent pay and benefits,
21.Generous employee by-outs,
22.More AP classes to accelerate learning.
Common Sense Standards

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go knock on doors wrote:
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There is absolutely no shortage of people in this community who are more than willing to open up to discuss their opinion on a particular hot button subjects like this ongoing drama with the Springboro BOE and the teachers union as well as last week's fire levy vote. When it comes to the ability to voice an opinion on any devisive issue, yes, certain people have a tendency to clam up amidst the heat of open debate. Often they fear that they, or maybe someone in their families could be singled out as tagets for future retaliation. This is precisely the atmosphere that permeated throughout this community throughout the Baker era.
If a person is approached in a friendly way, one-on-one and the same sort of subject matter is addressed, you'll get to find that people are more willing to speak AND that their responses come out as being more genuine. The fatal flaw with the township's YES door-to-door campaign is that you have hoardes of smiling firemen who have no sympathy for, or worse, no little about the extent of today's private sector economic distress.
Don't come knocking on my door! I am fully informed on the CCFD tactics of emotinal blackmailing for dollars; and I have already made the responsible choice of NO ADDITONAL LEVY in November for
the CCFD. No Need, Just Greed! Why waste your money?
SOS to SEA

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Just Boring wrote:
Not at all interested in anything on this blog that cristopherritter is being paid to spew out on topix. Whatever is this silly blogger talking about? Is his group paid to babble on with such nonsense by the SEA/NFSS?
And what role does David Bowman and Lisa Babb have in Sarah Thornbury's vote for revenge against Springboro taxpayers? Sarah flops around the school gathering the students around her for support as if the school library is
the fantasy land of Neverland. This grown woman
appears so "needy" for attention. Why is that? Does anybody know how many of these mean spirited union employees are tax paying voters in this school district?
Hey Mr. Maney... call off your union bullies who are protesting against Springboro taxpayers for additonal teachers levy in November; Springboro families cannot afford to pay additional taxes. Why not use your engery and leadership expertise to educate your teachers to live within our children first budgeting plan, with no additional levy needed?
It's what our students 21st Century Education is all about;
putting our students classroom education a priority with our school tax dollars and it is working! Why can't the SEA join with our community as a whole in support of our success? Don't you know that Sringboro voters cannot afford allowing old outdated collective bargaining laws to REVERSE our success to "status quo business as usual."
Don't you remember that strategy failed in March 2012?
Don't you know that many of our good Springboro teachers are
out and about, apologizing for the bullying and intimidation being carried out by your union activists?
Don't you know that our good teachers are feeling that your
union bully tactics and intimidation of our parents, taxpayers, and school board members are threatening their job security?
Good people (including teachers) do not approve of the union's methods of bullying and intimidation of parents, taxpayers, and school board representatives. So why continue this fight against taxpayers who are so generously supporting our children's public schools, school staff and classroom teachers?
dear uninformed

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Open Springboro wrote:
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Please, help me out here, and forgive me for a moment if this is another moniker which I've railed against elsewhere in this forum. Because I cannot begin to tell you how much I agree with your point above. However, it seems to me that the BOE has the ultimate say in my child's education, and that private organizations funded by the Tea Party are exploiting the obvious weakness in Unions for their own profit. I feel like I'm left with two choices: public education which will bankrupt our government, or for-profit education which will bankrupt me.
So how am I supposed to fix a problem in one of the key pillars of our community, when the only two solutions solutions lead to bankruptcy?
I'm proud to admit that I'm one of the crazies on this message board, and I honestly believe that open government is the solution. We the people should have the same level of access to our governement as we do our cellphone accounts. I want to know how much I'm spending for what service, along with the option to unsubscribe from unnecessary or unfairly priced features. That is the level of control that I want over all of our local government services, because that is the level of control I have come to expect from every other aspect of modern life.
But tell me, how can my crazy idea or any other make a difference in this small town, when big money and big power are squaring off right over our heads?
American education has dramatically failed us and our kids all while the unions have controlled it. These union thugs have taken over leaving no choices, failing grades and been very dishonest to the consumers they serve. Now you claim that the Tea Party is somehow a profit org? Join one, go to meetings and see that the average age is 60, lower income people and they have no money. Who has all the money and are paid well to deceive? Union.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth and are severly uninformed. The Tea Party is the most abused, underfunded, citizens just trying to save this community, State and country.
Shame on you for bad mouthing them. I am sad that we paid for your education to get indoctrinated and don't know the difference between those that work for you and those that work against you and freedom.
dear uninformed

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SpringBoro Taxpayer wrote:
When I go into our schools and see our great working conditions for Springboro school employees, and the quality of education being offered by our children first budgeting, I can only think WOW, this is great! I can only question WHY every parent in this school district is not speaking up in thanks and appreciation; and why our teachers are not projecting thanks and appreciation to our board representatives and school district taxpayers for opportunity to work in our great schools and wonderful community!
It is a privilege for Springboro taxpayers to offer our valued teachers and staff such pleasant and comfortable working conditions as these:
Working conditions
1. New technology, and technology upgrades galore,
2. Clean and well kept facilities,
3. 7.25 hour work day,
4. Paid leave = 15 sick days and 4 personal days off per year,
5. Subs when need,$700,000 in supplemental pay possibilities.
6. Field trips for students and teachers permitted to run trips off line,
7. Moderate sized class for teacher across all grade levels,
8. More support staff for special education and gifted on the horizon,
9. New text books for learning,
10.Fully funded athletic programs,
11.Tons of extra curricular activities for teachers and students,
12.Smart kids making learning easier(better than our urban counterparts,
13.Engaged parents that support educators programs and needs,
14.Great pto organizations that support educators and students needs,
15.A board of education that supports student achievement,
16.Smart boards in every class,
17.A board of education that is focused on policy and safety for our students and teachers,
18.new stages,
19.More band equipment ($35,000 for all kids),
20.Excellent pay and benefits,
21.Generous employee by-outs,
22.More AP classes to accelerate learning.
Who is destroying education? This BOE has only supported it while teachers threatened to walk out on the students unless they got 5-7% raises for the next two years, paid health care and dental and vision insc, no more than 7.25 hour work day, paid lunch breaks...... All of this without placing evaluations for raises, they get a raise for being there another year. Are you kidding me?
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Where Is Accountability wrote:
OGT lack of worthwhile standards and again nobody stands up and gives any answers for any of this, just give me more money or your kids will suffer.
Ask the high school staff if any of this is true or not. I looked up the same stuff Just Watching did.
Still waiting for your clarification on your post.
If you can find the question I will try and come up with the answer.
Or you could explain to all of us why you are not defining the classification of "Proficient" on the OGT.
A helpful tutelage from the Ohio Department of Education on the scales for the results on the Math test
Limited.........0-12 points..........0-25% correct on the test
Basic..........12.5-17.5 points.......26%-36% correct on the test
PROFICIENT...18-27 points..........37.5%-56% correct on the test
Accelerated...27.5-34 points..........57%-71% correct on the test
Advanced......34.5-48 points..........72%-100% correct on the test
This is not a difficult test, take it for yourself, it is on the ODE website.
http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates/Pages ...
Then wonder why after two years of preparation in our "college prep" high school, nearly 40% of the children taking this test score 75% or less, and still have not mastered basic math covering what should have been learned in grades 1-9. They even let a child use a calculator and provide a cheat sheet with all the necessary formulas required to answer the questions on the test.
Seriously, who wishes to defend labeling a student who has mastered less than 56% of the math material as "PROFICIENT"?
Only our high school administration team would sit in front of the cameras and present to the community 97.4% of our students taking the OGT were "PROFICIENT" and above. And then proceed to bask in the clapping and cheering from the union and the union supporters with a straight face.
OMG this makes me so mad that even in the perfect Springboro with its Excellent with Distinction and Blue Ribbon awards it is all a cruel hoax of deception. A bunch of crooks and liars to be sure.

wait I thought corporate America was the evil one, it turns out, that liberal, goverment run America ia evil. You gousewives and fringe progressives need to sit down and just listen you have hurt this city, our children and business enough.
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dear uninformed wrote:
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OMG this makes me so mad that even in the perfect Springboro with its Excellent with Distinction and Blue Ribbon awards it is all a cruel hoax of deception. A bunch of crooks and liars to be sure.
wait I thought corporate America was the evil one, it turns out, that liberal, goverment run America ia evil. You gousewives and fringe progressives need to sit down and just listen you have hurt this city, our children and business enough.
I agree.
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dear uninformed wrote:
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OMG this makes me so mad that even in the perfect Springboro with its Excellent with Distinction and Blue Ribbon awards it is all a cruel hoax of deception. A bunch of crooks and liars to be sure.
wait I thought corporate America was the evil one, it turns out, that liberal, goverment run America ia evil. You gousewives and fringe progressives need to sit down and just listen you have hurt this city, our children and business enough.
In this corruption, Springboro schools is in no way alone. During the last decade all around the state of Ohio, there have been increasing numbers of public school districts rated as "Excellent" or Excellent w/ Distinction. During the same period, remedial rates for college freshmen statewide have steadily crept upward statewide. Basic fundamental knowledge of math, science and social studies has deteriorated across the board in virtually every district to a point that a number of veteran university professors around the nation have come forth and said they no longer in general consider public education to be adequate in terms of preparing students to enter college.

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