Springoro Tax payer

Cincinnati, OH

#21 Nov 16, 2008
Hey thoughts are, that if you don't like the pay as a teacher, then get another job, perhaps you could work at McDOnalds. Then see what it really feels like to live on low pay. There are many folk in this wealthy neighborhood that have recently lost their job, or that have not had a pay increase for the past couple of years. And yet the School Board wants to keep taxing more and more. People wake up. This will never stop. The way this school board spends, there will never ever be enough money to support the system that they have created. I say fire them all and start new. Check out what the auto manufacturers are going thru. This is basically because ot union requirements. This economy cannot uphold much more of this ever increasing taxes.
Public School overload

Girard, OH

#22 Nov 17, 2008
Adding my Two Cents wrote:
That is my two cents. If you can read this, please thank your teachers!
Your last statement was certainly self-glorifying! No, a teacher did not teach me to read. I was taught by my parents when I was five years old and my own children did not learn to read in the Springboro School system or by a "teacher". They were taught at the age of four by their own parents. How did we do it? Simple, we exposed them to great books, read aloud, with weekly visits to the Centerville Library. We encouraged them to read, but once they learned, it became a passion of theirs and still is today.
While they attended Jonathon Wright as kindergarteners they were very disappointed with reading instruction. Simple, meaningless BOB books and the "teachers" did nothing to encourage their advanced reading skills. My children found it degrading that they made weekly visits to the school library to watch a movie. What a waste of time! By second semester each student was allowed to check out one book, but could not take it home. They were to place it in their cubby in their room and maybe the "teacher" would read a few of the kid's library books during the week. My children thought the school library was a joke.
So, my point is don't prop yourself up too much on the reading issue, because many times teachers make learning to read alot more difficult than it really should be. Often those who are just late bloomers are labeled with a reading disability by the public school system just because they are not catching on to reading by the teacher's time schedule. I firmly believe we are capable of learning so much more efficiently outside of the public school.
Say What

Englewood, OH

#23 Nov 17, 2008
Working For a Living wrote:
I have 10 years experience as an educator, 8 of those years here at Springboro. I have my Master's degree. My salary is $56,511 per year (about $1400 net per pay check). Without my Master's degree, I would be paid $50,980 per year. After I pay my mortgage and expenses, I have about $50 at the end of the month--if I skimp. I have an old car, an old house, children, and no credit card debt.
When I started teaching 10 years ago elsewhere, I was paid an annual salary of $27,123 (it worked out to about $700.00 net per paycheck).
If I had just graduated from college with my BA and was hired at Springboro this year (2008), I would have been hired in at $34,563 per year (about $900 net per pay check). Now that you have some firm figures as an example, you may start to criticize the salaries of starting teachers objectively.
Why are you posting your "net figures????" Are you paid weekly, bi-monthly, monthly, what??? For you to only be taking home $1,400 per paycheck on a $56,511 annual salary, you must be getting paid weekly and have a heck of a lot of deductions!
None of this is relevant as we all have taxes deduced from our pay checks and other contributions into our benefits and retirement plans. What is relevant is that you picked the profession and you should enjoy it irregardless of the pay and you have the benefits of leaving your work no later than 3:30 pm (yea, we all say you'all rushing to vacate the buildings so don't claim you are there until 5pm grading papers) and a full 2-1/2 months off in the summer.
So, I think it is very fair compensation for the amount of hours you put in to the job during the year.
Say What

Englewood, OH

#24 Nov 17, 2008
Enough wrote:
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I posted this in another area but I will also post this hear. All teachers pay into their retirement. We also pay a portion of our healthcare benefits.
How much do you pay in? In other words, what is the percentage of your salary or the amount per month? I have heard this before, and I believe you are confused by your paycheck stub.
Say What

Englewood, OH

#25 Nov 17, 2008
Enough wrote:
Just to set the record straight, my posts had nothing to do with complaining about pay. My post were to address to errors in posts regarding teacher benefits. You are right, we knew what the pay was when we went into the profession and choose to become teachers. Just for the record, teachers spend an unbelievable amout of our own money on our classrooms. We buy many supplies and materials on a regular basis but we don't complain about it. Teachers do spend many hours grading papers and writing lesson plans. I do not know any teachers that use the same plans every year or who work a minimum of 6 hours a day. None of us are "crying" as was stated in a previous post. We also do not have 3 months off in the summer as most people believe. A great deal of our summer time is spent in classes, preparing materials for the next year and taking down and setting up our classrooms. I realize that nothing I say will change your opinion of teachers however, if you think it is such an easy job please feel free to get your teaching degree and start teaching.
Wow...where do I sign you up as one of my kids teachers? My kids teachers are the fattest, laziest ones you have ever seen. They dress slovenly, wear flipflops, sit their behinds at their desks using prepared powerpoint slides for instructions, leave the schools the minute the bells run, and begin work about a week before the kids arrive in late August.

We don't buy it mam because we have met our teachers before. They do not give a darn and you wonder why people are mad. You are overpaid and we are underwhelmed by your abilities.
Choices

Cincinnati, OH

#26 Nov 17, 2008
Adding my two cents.......You should have become a Doctor or an attorney. Education degrees DO NOT even compare to a law degree or obviously what it takes to become a Doctor. Trust me, you make a decent living. You should loose your job and not know how you are going to pay for Christmas for your children who don't understand that there is no Santa Clause (4 to 8 yr. Olds). At this time in our economic state, it is amazing that you as a teacher would ask or argue for a raise. I along with thousands of people did NOT get a raise. I feel lucky to have a job!!!!!! But I can't pay any more taxes on my property so that you can have a raise. I have had to reduce my household budget just to survive and you are asking me to vote for you a raise. YOU HAVE A JOB......BE HAPPY!! Make the best of what you have and don't hold it against our children who DO NOT VOTE or understand our economy.
Really working hard

Cincinnati, OH

#27 Nov 17, 2008
Shame on all of you teachers who are more concerned with the amount of money they bring home then these poor children who don't even know if they are going to get dinner tonight because their parents have lost their jobs. Your attitudes sicken me and that is why your levies do not pass. Quit being so selfish and think of someone else for once. I miss the old Springboro Community when the teachers taught you from the heart and not from the pocket.
saywhat

Lebanon, OH

#28 Dec 1, 2008
I am a teacher and I've worked in a factory and "real world" jobs before. I chose this profession and I've heard teachers complain many times and I often look at them and tell them how good we have it. The real problem is there are too many people at central office. The teachers are not the problem. Think of how many people Boro could hire that actually work for the good of the students if we did some Central Office cleaning.
I admit as teachers we do have it good, but we all had a choice to make for an occupation. Every jobs have their issues, but not all are obviously in the public eye.
I am sure that if we all knew about your place of work we would have issues also. We do pay for your salary as well, just not in taxes. Whatever goods or services your work offers, we do pay based on how much things cost. If we do not like the price, we go somewhere else that may have a lower price but chances are, not as good of quality. If it truly bothers the taxpayers of Springboro that much, keep voting it down or move.
BoroLivin

Clyde, OH

#29 Dec 6, 2008
Saywhat - thanks for your comments. You inadvertantly make a good point about choices consumers have. I'd like to appply that point to school choice, which we in ohio don't have. Pay up or move is hardly a 'choice'

I, like many in the community, would rather keep voting it down and hold the schools accountable than move.
not a baker fan

United States

#30 Dec 6, 2008
saywhat wrote:
I am a teacher and I've worked in a factory and "real world" jobs before. I chose this profession and I've heard teachers complain many times and I often look at them and tell them how good we have it. The real problem is there are too many people at central office. The teachers are not the problem. Think of how many people Boro could hire that actually work for the good of the students if we did some Central Office cleaning.
I admit as teachers we do have it good, but we all had a choice to make for an occupation. Every jobs have their issues, but not all are obviously in the public eye.
I am sure that if we all knew about your place of work we would have issues also. We do pay for your salary as well, just not in taxes. Whatever goods or services your work offers, we do pay based on how much things cost. If we do not like the price, we go somewhere else that may have a lower price but chances are, not as good of quality. If it truly bothers the taxpayers of Springboro that much, keep voting it down or move.
..."or move"....spoken like a school nazi with the "in your face mentality".....let me pose this to YOU....suck it up, or move !
Educator AND Taxpayer

Dayton, OH

#31 Dec 10, 2008
I moved to Clearcreek Twp. specifically for the educational opportunities I thought I was giving my children, and now I wish we had stayed where we were. As an educator the last 8 years, former business owner (5 years) and business professional ( 6 years), I HAVE been in the real world and often chuckle as colleagues complain about hours or workload. However, the majority of educators I meet both in and out of Springboro are not "fat or lazy or only concerned about money", they, like myself are committed to providing a positive educational experience for all students. In addition to this educational experience, we must now in many cases serve as the ONLY positive adult role model in their lives. I take significant offense to the suggestion that all teachers are in the profession for long vacations and big money. I am an educator by choice and take great pride in my Masters Degree and the continual professional development that I have taken to achieve the title of HQT,"Highly Qualified Teacher". To imply that the majority of teachers don't care is ludicrous and ignorant. The other key to this discussion is that the board of education MUST follow through on it's promises to hold taxpayers accountable. Cut busing, go to all day kindergarten (both of these would effect me directly, by the way) and force the community to put up or shut up. This forum seems to only see one side of the issue. Sure schools are accountable to the community, but under the current funding fiasco in Ohio, the community is also accountable to the schools! Cutting certified and classified staff only penalizes your kids. However, if having your undereducated kids living in your basement till they are 30 sounds appealing, then continue to resist the levy campaigns. Keep in mind, lower property values will encourge developers to sell to strip malls and Section 8 apartment complexes. So keep voting "NO" and we will all be living in "West Carrollton South".
Debbie Mickey

Cincinnati, OH

#32 Dec 10, 2008
Educator AND Taxpayer wrote:
So keep voting "NO" and we will all be living in "West Carrollton South".
That's as bigoted a thought as I've seen on this board. I have friends and family who live in West Carrollton and your comments are rude and untrue. Their schools do a fine job and their community is genuine and supportive.
Galileo

Dayton, OH

#33 Dec 10, 2008
Some of you would not last a day as a teacher. Good thing you chose other careers. BTW, to Springboro Tax Payer -- working at McDonalds does not require a High School, College and Graduate School education. To Public School Overload -- I currently have a First Grader at JW and the scenarios you described are NOT the ones that we are encountering there whatsoever. Also, both of my children also learned to read at an early age but I don't go around bragging about how I taught them and their teachers didn't. Regardless of what they came to school "knowing" on their first days of school, both my children have benefitted tremendously in their education in Springboro schools.
Educator AND Taxpayer

Springfield, OH

#34 Dec 10, 2008
Debbie Mickey wrote:
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That's as bigoted a thought as I've seen on this board. I have friends and family who live in West Carrollton and your comments are rude and untrue. Their schools do a fine job and their community is genuine and supportive.
Sorry if I was not clear on what I meant on that subject. I agree that they have fabulous schools and community considering the funding issues they face. However, the truth is indisputable that several years ago their property tax base was eroded as developers sold off residential developments to apartment complexes and strip malls. This was meant as a statement of economics and not in any way to be a personal attack on the community of West Carrollton. I apologize if I offended you, your friends or anyone in your family.
Nutty

Youngstown, OH

#35 Dec 12, 2008
Say What wrote:
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Wow...where do I sign you up as one of my kids teachers? My kids teachers are the fattest, laziest ones you have ever seen. They dress slovenly, wear flipflops, sit their behinds at their desks using prepared powerpoint slides for instructions, leave the schools the minute the bells run, and begin work about a week before the kids arrive in late August.
We don't buy it mam because we have met our teachers before. They do not give a darn and you wonder why people are mad. You are overpaid and we are underwhelmed by your abilities.
My question is this:
If you believe your children aren't getting a quality education b/c the teachers are lazy and the curriculm consists of powerpoint presentations what in heck are you doing? There are other schools/communities/options. Money shouldn't be the motivating factor-your children's future should be. Did you ever wonder what people think about you? Unmotivated, lazy, selfish.....
Nutty

Youngstown, OH

#36 Dec 12, 2008
Educator AND Taxpayer wrote:
I moved to Clearcreek Twp. specifically for the educational opportunities I thought I was giving my children, and now I wish we had stayed where we were. As an educator the last 8 years, former business owner (5 years) and business professional ( 6 years), I HAVE been in the real world and often chuckle as colleagues complain about hours or workload. However, the majority of educators I meet both in and out of Springboro are not "fat or lazy or only concerned about money", they, like myself are committed to providing a positive educational experience for all students. In addition to this educational experience, we must now in many cases serve as the ONLY positive adult role model in their lives. I take significant offense to the suggestion that all teachers are in the profession for long vacations and big money. I am an educator by choice and take great pride in my Masters Degree and the continual professional development that I have taken to achieve the title of HQT,"Highly Qualified Teacher". To imply that the majority of teachers don't care is ludicrous and ignorant. The other key to this discussion is that the board of education MUST follow through on it's promises to hold taxpayers accountable. Cut busing, go to all day kindergarten (both of these would effect me directly, by the way) and force the community to put up or shut up. This forum seems to only see one side of the issue. Sure schools are accountable to the community, but under the current funding fiasco in Ohio, the community is also accountable to the schools! Cutting certified and classified staff only penalizes your kids. However, if having your undereducated kids living in your basement till they are 30 sounds appealing, then continue to resist the levy campaigns. Keep in mind, lower property values will encourge developers to sell to strip malls and Section 8 apartment complexes. So keep voting "NO" and we will all be living in "West Carrollton South".
I agree with the majority of what you have stated. Everyone knows that your union is strong. We're all looking at what's been happening with the American Auto Industry. High school graduates working the assembly lines could bring in $100k + a year if they worked overtime thanks to that union. I believe a lot of the issues they are facing now are due to those decisions that drove salaries and benefits supported by the union.

In these shaky economic times where the parents and taxpayers (of which you are both) are having to do more with less would you (in your teacher's hat) support a 2-3% reduction in pay or unpaid days off to help until the econmy stregenthens? Would you do this if it meant that other district emplyees didn't have to lose their jobs? I think we all need to pull together- and I am a yes voter-but it's disappointing to see that the parents are asked to carry the burden (not all of the teachers reside in Springboro) and I have yet to see the union step up with a plan to help. I understand that you didn't recieve a cost of living adjustment due to the freeze on salaries but real people have lost their jobs, their homes are on the verge of foreclosure and right now the economy looks grim on the National level.
ROSE

West Chester, OH

#37 Dec 13, 2008
LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL, that's what our school administrators do to get what they want. They will keep on putting levies and bonds on the ballot till they wear down the taxpayers. They will use scare tactics, lie about income and expense reports and steal our money ALL IN THE NAME OF THE CHILDREN.
When, just when will the school districts become fiscally responsible like the rest of the world???? I am a Miamisburg resident and they wore us down to get the 80 MILLION bond passed, it took 4 times on the ballot to get passage. STOP WASTING OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS !!!!!! Keep up the fight, someday they will finally get our message, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!!!!!!!
Galileo

Dayton, OH

#38 Dec 14, 2008
This was in the latest Springboro Schools e-mail newsletter:
Governor Seeks Input on School Funding
Governor Strickland will be touring the state looking for input on
school funding. Schools across the state are struggling with no
inflationary growth to their revenues despite increases in utility
costs, salaries and growing enrollments. Visit the governorís site at
www.conversationoneducation.org
springboro resident

Girard, OH

#39 Dec 15, 2008
Do you people really live in Springboro or are you just wanna live heres? I have never read such vulgar, mean and petty statements. All of you should be ashamed. No, I am not a teacher nor would I want to be. I made a lot more money in the business world before I retired. I am very proud of this city and the school district. You people need to do research before you post these nasty, degrading remarks about our city and schools. Although I don't have children in the schools, I still vote yes for your children. Who are you people?
BoroLivin

Montgomery, AL

#40 Dec 16, 2008
Here is a good Columbus Dispatch article that discusses how teacher pay works. It goes into some detail to spell out the difference between an annual pay scale increase and an annual step increase and how teachers often get both that result in yearly pay increases of ~9% for the first 10 years!

http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/...

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