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http://www.rollbackthetax.org/pdfs/Springboro...

Add to this 2006 salary information from the Ohio Department of Education, 4.5% increases in each of the last two years.

New teachers making $50,000 per year??? Principals making $92,000 per year???? UNBELIEVABLE.

The education union is alive and well in Springboro. Hit the taxpayers with another tax levy to fund this.
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To be fair, I looked through the charts carefully. The salaries listed are averages, with new and 30-year-teachers' salaries averaged out. Additionally, teachers must all have Masters' degrees by their fifth year of teaching and most middle and high school teachers have to have their Masters' degrees before they start teaching to be considered "highly qualified" as mandated by the federal government. People with higher degrees in any profession make as much or more than teachers with Masters degrees.

What interests me most is that there are 2 superintendents listed as well as an asst. superintendent. I wonder why the Ohio Dept. of Education has us listed with 2 superintendents? and at that high salary (which is one of the highest if not THE highest in the county)? Additionally, I remember reading that Dr. Baker has drawn his retirement benefits and while we may save some by no longer contributing to his retirement, it seems like we should also be saving some by paying a lower salary as well.

And the principals' salaries see exorbitant to me, especially if I remember correctly that at least one and maybe two of them are drawing retirement benefits as well.
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I have 10 years experience as an educator, 8 of those years here at Springboro. I have my Master's degree. My salary is $56,511 per year (about $1400 net per pay check). Without my Master's degree, I would be paid $50,980 per year. After I pay my mortgage and expenses, I have about $50 at the end of the month--if I skimp. I have an old car, an old house, children, and no credit card debt.
When I started teaching 10 years ago elsewhere, I was paid an annual salary of $27,123 (it worked out to about $700.00 net per paycheck).
If I had just graduated from college with my BA and was hired at Springboro this year (2008), I would have been hired in at $34,563 per year (about $900 net per pay check). Now that you have some firm figures as an example, you may start to criticize the salaries of starting teachers objectively.
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Dear Working for a Living,
I'm glad you have $50 left over at the end of each month -- that is absoltely great news!(considering a vast majority of people spend more than they make) There are actually some people out there afterall that can still budget and live within their means.

I would like to point out that your $50 left over is after your very generous retirement has been FULLY funded.

Here are some practical suggestions on how to have more left each month:

1. Ditch the digital cable & high speed internet and get a set of rabbit ears.(saves ~$100/month)
2. Reduce or get rid of your wireless cell phone plans.(~$100/month?)
3. Stop eating out (~$100-$400/month)
(if you really are skimping, you probably already have done these three things)

Simply living in an old house or having an old car doesn’t mean you should have bought either on. The question is could you afford them?(if you really only have $50 left after each month, my thought would be no.)

Anyone else have other suggestions on how we can help this person save some money?

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Working For a Living wrote:
I have 10 years experience as an educator, 8 of those years here at Springboro. I have my Master's degree. My salary is $56,511 per year (about $1400 net per pay check). Without my Master's degree, I would be paid $50,980 per year. After I pay my mortgage and expenses, I have about $50 at the end of the month--if I skimp. I have an old car, an old house, children, and no credit card debt.
When I started teaching 10 years ago elsewhere, I
was paid an annual salary of $27,123 (it worked out to about $700.00 net per paycheck).
If I had just graduated from college with my BA and was hired at Springboro this year (2008), I would have been hired in at $34,563 per year (about $900 net per pay check). Now that you have some firm figures as an example, you may start to criticize the salaries of starting teachers objectively.
Please do not take this as a slam. Just an observation from discussions I have had with friends of mine who are teachers. When we start talking about our chosen work life.

There is no way to get around this point (which is the way the average person looks at it). Luckily my years of service has gotten me to the level of being given four weeks a year vacation. So how many weeks a year do you get as vacation ?

I know everyone is different but that is a very hard argument to get around when talking salary and benefits.
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I, too, get tired of hearing about how hard the teachers work. Have you ever been in the school even 1/2 hour after school ends? No teachers. Did they take work home? Poor things, they have to grade papers while sitting on their couch watching Oprah.

They work so hard...So do I, but I go to work every day, get 3 weeks off per year, don't get 2 weeks at Christmas, 1 week in spring, most holidays, and 2 1/2 months in summer.
They could probably work another job if they wanted, but why should they - on top of their meager salaries, they have their supplemental contracts.

And if, God forbid, your child has difficulties, then it is the parent's fault for not helping them more. Or, you could pay one of the teachers to tutor them.

I tell my kids to major in education in college. It's the best thing out there. You won't get CEO pay, but you will have lots of time off.
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Working For a Living wrote:
I have 10 years experience as an educator, 8 of those years here at Springboro. I have my Master's degree. My salary is $56,511 per year (about $1400 net per pay check). Without my Master's degree, I would be paid $50,980 per year. After I pay my mortgage and expenses, I have about $50 at the end of the month--if I skimp. I have an old car, an old house, children, and no credit card debt.
When I started teaching 10 years ago elsewhere, I was paid an annual salary of $27,123 (it worked out to about $700.00 net per paycheck).
If I had just graduated from college with my BA and was hired at Springboro this year (2008), I would have been hired in at $34,563 per year (about $900 net per pay check). Now that you have some firm figures as an example, you may start to criticize the salaries of starting teachers objectively.
At $56,511 you are making $75,348 per year in terms of common folks like us who have to work 12 months a year. And, as somebody has already pointed out, your retirement fund is being fully paid into by the taxpayers. Add it to the free healthcare benefits that rest of us have to pay for and you are looking at the actual salary being close to 85-90k. Pretty good, I would guess, in these times. Specially , because you are pretty much guaranteed an annual raise even in these times.
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Really Working For Living wrote:
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At $56,511 you are making $75,348 per year in terms of common folks like us who have to work 12 months a year. And, as somebody has already pointed out, your retirement fund is being fully paid into by the taxpayers. Add it to the free healthcare benefits that rest of us have to pay for and you are looking at the actual salary being close to 85-90k. Pretty good, I would guess, in these times. Specially , because you are pretty much guaranteed an annual raise even in these times.
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I posted this in another area but I will also post this hear. All teachers pay into their retirement. We also pay a portion of our healthcare benefits.
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Enough,
You are correct that teachers pay into their retirement, but forget to mention that teachers don't have to pay social security.

Teachers: Pay 10% of their income into their very generous guaranteed retirement. And the district contributes ~15%(defined benefit)

Real world workers: Pay ~7.6% into social security which is matched by the employer.
Of course does social security really count as a retirement?(if the teacher's aren't using it I would assume no) So that deduction doesn't include any REAL retirement contributions that have to be made on our own, sometimes without any company matching.(defined contribution)

You are also right that teachers don't get free health coverage, they have to pay 10%.(while most everyone else pays 25%++.

Correct me if I am wrong,(which I'm not)boro teachers do get vision coverage, dental coverage, and life insurance for FREE!!
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Nov 7, 2008
 
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Enough,
You are correct that teachers pay into their retirement, but forget to mention that teachers don't have to pay social security.
Teachers: Pay 10% of their income into their very generous guaranteed retirement. And the district contributes ~15%(defined benefit)
Real world workers: Pay ~7.6% into social security which is matched by the employer.
Of course does social security really count as a retirement?(if the teacher's aren't using it I would assume no) So that deduction doesn't include any REAL retirement contributions that have to be made on our own, sometimes without any company matching.(defined contribution)
You are also right that teachers don't get free health coverage, they have to pay 10%.(while most everyone else pays 25%++.
Correct me if I am wrong,(which I'm not)boro teachers do get vision coverage, dental coverage, and life insurance for FREE!!
You are right that teachers do not pay into Social Security but they also do not draw from Social Security. They only get State Teachers Retirement which they pay into. However, you are wrong about the dental and vision insurance. Teachers also pay a portion of their vision and dental insurance.
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ALL TEACHERS NEW WHAT THE SALARIES RANGES WERE WHEN THEY DECIDED TO GET INTO THE PROFESSION. Get off of it already. Teachers are willing to walk off the job to make sure they get raises (Lakota school dist.) That makes me sick.....They got in it for the right reasons huh. Cops and Firefights in most ciites who work around the clock, even on Christmas day, dont make as much as a teacher. That is sad. Teachers are in it for themselves and most of them got into it for the time off. Teachers want the parents to educate their children and blame parents for any short comings in that dept. Get into the profession for the right reasons. You get 3 months off in every year to find another job while you still draw a pay check. IT WAS YOUR CHOICE TO EDUCATE CHILDREN----NOT TO GET RICH OR COMPARE YOURSELF TO THE BUSINESS SECTOR. IF YOU ARE, THEN YOU MADE THE WRONG CHOICE!!!!!
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Most teachers after the first year teaching can use the same lesson plan year after year with minor changes, my children come home from springboro every day and when asked do you have homework they say yes but its only a completion grade, I can write whatever I want. The teachers in Springboro don't even grade papers anymore, so there nights are free. Stop crying you only work 180 days a year, for 6 months work you should be happy with your pay. Try working like the rest of us. You only work on average 6 hours a day minus an hour for panther time. If you don't like your pay try finding a new job with your pay only working 180 days a year. GOOD HUNTING.
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Just to set the record straight, my posts had nothing to do with complaining about pay. My post were to address to errors in posts regarding teacher benefits. You are right, we knew what the pay was when we went into the profession and choose to become teachers. Just for the record, teachers spend an unbelievable amout of our own money on our classrooms. We buy many supplies and materials on a regular basis but we don't complain about it. Teachers do spend many hours grading papers and writing lesson plans. I do not know any teachers that use the same plans every year or who work a minimum of 6 hours a day. None of us are "crying" as was stated in a previous post. We also do not have 3 months off in the summer as most people believe. A great deal of our summer time is spent in classes, preparing materials for the next year and taking down and setting up our classrooms. I realize that nothing I say will change your opinion of teachers however, if you think it is such an easy job please feel free to get your teaching degree and start teaching.
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I think we have a situation of "the grass looks greener on the other side" when it's actually pretty muddy on both sides. I know I would not want to teach a classroom full of kids all day to go home to my own kids and housework at night. I'm sure most teachers wouldn't want my job either especially since I don't even earn a paycheck! Teachers want decent paychecks and so do assembly line workers. The problem is, we have created and allowed a system where the teachers depend mostly on property owners for their paychecks, and property owners are losing assembly line jobs (and many other types of jobs!) and can't provide the same kind of support as in the past. We've got a system in our country that is crumbling from the very top and falling down into our every day lives. We have banks and auto manufacturers failing, and it's filtering down to us here in Springboro. The days of "guaranteed money" are coming and/or have come to an end for many, but I think there are still a lot of people who don't understand it or who haven't been affected yet. We will either need to pull together as a community to pool ideas and resources or sit back and deal with it as well as we can individually, but I personally feel like this is the beginning of the end for many publicly funded systems.

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"We buy many supplies and materials on a regular basis"

Enough, that is a really great point. It just goes to show it is a symptom of a bigger problem.

You buy classroom supplies, parents buy classroom supplies. If a parent chooses to use Ezypay there is a 3% charge on the transaction and, the Board at their last meeting liked Ezypay for the administrative cost savings. But at least Ezypay is an option not a mandate.

I hope the the teaching staff do their utmost to support community goals too. This is not an anti teacher thing. Don't be fooled.

Sit down and add up all the expenses being covered by parents and teachers. That we are paying and are being considered as givens without being officially noted anywhere.

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Enough wrote:
Just to set the record straight, my posts had nothing to do with complaining about pay. My post were to address to errors in posts regarding teacher benefits. You are right, we knew what the pay was when we went into the profession and choose to become teachers. Just for the record, teachers spend an unbelievable amout of our own money on our classrooms. We buy many supplies and materials on a regular basis but we don't complain about it. Teachers do spend many hours grading papers and writing lesson plans. I do not know any teachers that use the same plans every year or who work a minimum of 6 hours a day. None of us are "crying" as was stated in a previous post. We also do not have 3 months off in the summer as most people believe. A great deal of our summer time is spent in classes, preparing materials for the next year and taking down and setting up our classrooms. I realize that nothing I say will change your opinion of teachers however, if you think it is such an easy job please feel free to get your teaching degree and start teaching.
Don't have to get a degree, already have several. Remember, "those that can, DO; those that can't..." well you know the rest.

By the way, if "setting up our classrooms" and the very generic "preparing materials" takes all summer, you need to seriously take a time management seminar.
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If I may just "add my two cents", I understand your frustrations about the schools. I am currently a teacher myself. I have, however, have been out in the "real" world or as Tom has put it I could, and I did. I spend my own money on my classroom. I spend my own money paying for college classes each summer in order to maintain my license. I take classes for approximately three to four weeks in the summer. The school does not pay for me to do this, however, it is required. I, too, come in early to set my my classroom. I follow the same basic plan every year because I am according to the NCLB Act required to have certain standards and benchmarks mastered by my students each year. I don't change what works, but I do like trying new things I have learned from my summer classes. I only wish I made the salaries that are being thrown around this blog. And though I don't pay into social security, I don't benefit from it either. Nor would I benefit from my husband's if something would happen to him. You may not find me at school 1/2 hour after school is dismissed, but I do have to get my children off the bus as well. I am not saying I deserve to be paid in the hundreds of thousands, but I don't believe I deserve to be paid poverty level either. I feel you are frustrated with things that are out of your control, and therefore, we teachers are your easiest scapegoat. Every job has its good and bad points. I enjoy being a teacher and educating students. I feel, though, until you have been in my shoes on a day in and day out basis, you should not point your finger and say I am unworthy. Or I have no right to ask for more money. Would you rather do it the way they did in the early days? That is my two cents. If you can read this, please thank your teachers!
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Adding my Two Cents wrote:
If I may just "add my two cents", I understand your frustrations about the schools. I am currently a teacher myself. I have, however, have been out in the "real" world or as Tom has put it I could, and I did. I spend my own money on my classroom. I spend my own money paying for college classes each summer in order to maintain my license. I take classes for approximately three to four weeks in the summer. The school does not pay for me to do this, however, it is required. I, too, come in early to set my my classroom. I follow the same basic plan every year because I am according to the NCLB Act required to have certain standards and benchmarks mastered by my students each year. I don't change what works, but I do like trying new things I have learned from my summer classes. I only wish I made the salaries that are being thrown around this blog. And though I don't pay into social security, I don't benefit from it either. Nor would I benefit from my husband's if something would happen to him. You may not find me at school 1/2 hour after school is dismissed, but I do have to get my children off the bus as well. I am not saying I deserve to be paid in the hundreds of thousands, but I don't believe I deserve to be paid poverty level either. I feel you are frustrated with things that are out of your control, and therefore, we teachers are your easiest scapegoat. Every job has its good and bad points. I enjoy being a teacher and educating students. I feel, though, until you have been in my shoes on a day in and day out basis, you should not point your finger and say I am unworthy. Or I have no right to ask for more money. Would you rather do it the way they did in the early days? That is my two cents. If you can read this, please thank your teachers!
I thank my teachers, but they didn't ask my father for yearly tax increases either. If I asked for more money at my job, considering the economic times we live in...I would be shown the door.....be grateful for what you have...and if you are intimated by the school admin...you can't fault the general public...have the guts to stand up and say..."enough is enough"...
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FYI The state has considered the way we fund our schools is unconstitutional nine years ago. Change can only come when we ban together instead of pointing fingers and judging others of their worthiness. Your issues need to brought to the state. Kentucky and Indiana do not use property taxes to fund schools. Write your state representative, go to school board meetings, do something other than complain about the wrongs of schools and their teachers. I don't ask for a raise every time the levy comes around. I would like to make a decent living, but it is apparent those on this blog feel teachers are not worth a penny in weight. We are of only three professions that are REQUIRED to have a degree higher than a bachelor in order to be employable. Guess what the other two professions are - doctors and attorneys. Look at the differences in salary - "But teachers get three months off every year etc." I, for one, would love to have year round school. It would, in opinion, cut down on the amount of review I have to do the beginning of each year.
I am grateful for what I have, but then again I am dependent upon the community on whether or not I get a raise. I know times are tough, but even when times are good, I still hear the same thing. Please explain that. To me it just says that teachers are not worthy. We are expected to educate and not say a dang thing about money, classroom sizes, or lack of supplies. We are to be grateful for what we have.
Lastly, it took a teacher to educate our lawyers and doctors.
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Adding my Two Cents wrote:
FYI The state has considered the way we fund our schools is unconstitutional nine years ago. Change can only come when we ban together instead of pointing fingers and judging others of their worthiness. Your issues need to brought to the state. Kentucky and Indiana do not use property taxes to fund schools. Write your state representative, go to school board meetings, do something other than complain about the wrongs of schools and their teachers. I don't ask for a raise every time the levy comes around. I would like to make a decent living, but it is apparent those on this blog feel teachers are not worth a penny in weight. We are of only three professions that are REQUIRED to have a degree higher than a bachelor in order to be employable. Guess what the other two professions are - doctors and attorneys. Look at the differences in salary - "But teachers get three months off every year etc." I, for one, would love to have year round school. It would, in opinion, cut down on the amount of review I have to do the beginning of each year.
I am grateful for what I have, but then again I am dependent upon the community on whether or not I get a raise. I know times are tough, but even when times are good, I still hear the same thing. Please explain that. To me it just says that teachers are not worthy. We are expected to educate and not say a dang thing about money, classroom sizes, or lack of supplies. We are to be grateful for what we have.
Lastly, it took a teacher to educate our lawyers and doctors.
"ban together"....you mean like how baker "bans", ie, posters and lying under oath" ? I am fully aware of the lack of action by our state government for almost a decade now, however, none of this seemed to interest the school folks till this last levy got stomped, AGAIN. When I see some consolidated efforts on the school's part, I will be more open to meaningful dialogue.

Don't feel so bad, baker is coming back early next year, this time to tax our income. The money grabbing never stops....good times or bad....

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