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lol

Springboro, OH

#31823 Jul 25, 2014
Better Watch Out wrote:
<quoted text>
4 minutes and counting - how low will they go in deleting what the community taxpayers already know from public records?
Remember the words of our FORMER SHS principal during our school district's recent
AnonymousGate in the Board room?
The fact that it's anonymous doesn't really bother me because I think it says people are watching no matter what you do and even if they're not watching you--you should always be kind to someone.
Topix posts 31807, 31808, 31809 still missing on this free discussion blog.

.... could it be that wise old man, who HAS BEEN an educator for 41 years, is currently on TP patrol for S-U-R-E and he just..........
d-o-z-e-d off as he often did on the job as insanely popular SHS principal....or just being true to his school, perhaps he hid important school district information reporting disappointing test results in his desk drawer, which was his habit of ignoring and hiding, costly school documents such as the Warren County ESC Review of SHS Program of Studies and Master Schedule?
Boro parent

Springboro, OH

#31824 Jul 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
At the July 22, 2014 board meeting it was mentioned by Mr. Petrey how good our results were according to the state of Ohio. But even with that we should wait to see what the final breakdown looks like because we may be even better than now.
Mr. Petrey was of course speaking about the method by which the state determines the number of kids in each euphemistic category of Limited, Basic, Proficient, Accelerated, or Advanced.
With the swipe of a pen the state can declare more kids competent by lowering the bar to allow more children to "pass".
Lowering the bar artificially allows cover for poorly performing students, teachers, and school districts by maintaining the mirage of achievement.
Anyone out there care to debate the relative merits of making more children PROFICIENT by lowering the cut score from 44% to 36% on the Ohio Achievement Assessment reading test in the 6th grade?
Did your children get a better education as a result of that change?
PROFICIENT will still equate to FAILURE
Mr. Wiedeman, thank you very much for your diligence and fearlessness in working to expose Ohio's jaded OAA grading system. Really, all you can do is hope others begin to realize the current system HAS FAILED, the current system ISN'T WORKING!.

All anyone has to do is look at the house next door... or across the street.

Boro students en masse have graduated, entered college or tech school and have realized that they're woefully under-prepared. Why? The reason - for most of their K-12 experiences, the vast majority of them have been told they're A-B students, when in fact, they were at best C-D students.

All around the nation as well as here in Ohio, the education bar keeps gradually getting lowered. Why? Certainly this has a lot to with politically motivated massive banner-hanging campaigns. No US president, no state governor, no public school district administrator, no parent likes to see declining test scores in their jurisdiction, under their watch, right?

Quite a number of politicians and educators have come to favor common core. Educators who favor common core are taking a tremendous gamble because they're throwing all their chips into a pot which essentially prohibits parents from having vocal input to their own child's education.

If they're seriously "about the students", Boro's school board ought to be putting serious thought and debate into the validity and viability of the OAA/OGT.
Silly Politics

Springboro, OH

#31826 Jul 25, 2014
ditch digger wrote:
bottom line: I have and always will vote against school levies. All of this stuff is just white noise to me.
P.S. don't quote spiffy quotes like, "you hate kids, or don't care for home values, or it only costs a meal for 4 once a week", etc, etc..
Haven't you heard that the current spiffy quote of "Many Voices" recommendation of Renewed Springboro Education Association's Mission Statement for our children's future is, simply put, with a $12,000 waste of taxpayers money.....

Todd Petrey Does It All For S-U-R-E!

(BUT only with a lot of help from his two bosses, BOE president and vice president, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone.)
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31827 Jul 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
That lasted just 9.5 hours before the powers that be decided the information contained within was to much for the taxpayers of this district to handle.
Pity.
And suddenly they reappear at 3:50 p.m. July 25th after I made a request to discern the source of their censorship.

We can address the usual excuses heard from the school district, "the tests are really hard", "our kids just don't try on them because they know they don't matter", "our kids don't do well as test takers", "our kids don't do well with word problems", "compared to other districts we are really good", "this was a challenging year,"etc, etc.

Always an excuse instead of working to identify the problem and begin planning upon solutions.

As Mr. Malone stated, "what is in textbooks doesn't matter, teachers can teach whatever they want", maybe that is the part of the problem.
Performance Review

Springboro, OH

#31828 Jul 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
And suddenly they reappear at 3:50 p.m. July 25th after I made a request to discern the source of their censorship.
We can address the usual excuses heard from the school district, "the tests are really hard", "our kids just don't try on them because they know they don't matter", "our kids don't do well as test takers", "our kids don't do well with word problems", "compared to other districts we are really good", "this was a challenging year,"etc, etc.
Always an excuse instead of working to identify the problem and begin planning upon solutions.
As Mr. Malone stated, "what is in textbooks doesn't matter, teachers can teach whatever they want", maybe that is the part of the problem.
Mr. Malone's statement isn't surprising since he is owned by the voice of SEA union solidarity, with no leadership skills set to think independently, as an elected official whose responsibility is representing the Constituents in this school district (who pay the big costs for our children's classroom education). Perhaps you were in the public board meeting a year or so ago when our union classroom social studies teacher defied board authority's input on curriculum matters, even projecting concern that the ONE having authority over what is taught in the classroom could be crazy?

During the six months of observing Mr. Malone as vice president in the board room, it is obvious that is unaware of his "sworn" constitutional duty to defend America's belief in free speech and the exchange of ideas.

At the July 22 public meeting, Mr. Malone was obviously agitated at fellow board members taking time to ask questions regarding the $12,000/yearly contract for the OSBA financial consultant's service. Mr. Malone wanted to just shut up the board member asking questions and get on with the MSA Yes vote for wasting taxpayers money; without letting the public know that there was a Mark Up on the cost to the OSBA contract, because the OSBA "contracted" a third party. Just layers and layers of waste going on between our Board President/Vice President and the OSBA lobbyists for "New Levies for
Every School District" within the next two years. Mr. Malone finally out-bullied the board member asking questions by whining WHY WHY WHY all these questions; stating that this isn't the way the five year budget forecasts used to be done; but that's the way they are going to be done now!

Inquiring minds throughout our community are now asking among themselves:
Does this union controlled board president and vice president, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone, even allow open discourse on controversial topics; or allow tough questions to be asked (even if it isn't the popular thing)?
truth to power

Springboro, OH

#31829 Jul 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
And suddenly they reappear at 3:50 p.m. July 25th after I made a request to discern the source of their censorship.
We can address the usual excuses heard from the school district, "the tests are really hard", "our kids just don't try on them because they know they don't matter", "our kids don't do well as test takers", "our kids don't do well with word problems", "compared to other districts we are really good", "this was a challenging year,"etc, etc.
Always an excuse instead of working to identify the problem and begin planning upon solutions.
As Mr. Malone stated, "what is in textbooks doesn't matter, teachers can teach whatever they want", maybe that is the part of the problem.
Keep up the good work, Doug. History repeatedly tells the story of censorship attempts that have failed. And regarding Mr. Malone, increasing numbers of folks in this community are being turned off by some of the BS that's coming out of his mouth. Boro's finally noticing all of the chinks in that armour of insane popularity.
Then and Now

Springboro, OH

#31830 Jul 26, 2014
As parents and teachers, we all know that it is impossible to use logic and reason in dealing with two years olds--and it is insanely irresponsible that our school district Two-Year-Old
"Todd Team" of Todd Petrey and Todd Smith, have thrown the logic and reasoning of fiscal responsibility, living within our means, out of the board room; bending in the direction of inept leadership of our 2014 BOE leaders, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone. Does anybody know what happened to the Building Maintenance and future needs plan that was built into our school district's five year forecast, living within our means, that was presented by our former Board Budget/Finance Committee members, David Petroni and Jim Rigano, before Todd Petrey and Todd Smith took control of our multi-million dollar budget?

Why the double speak of Todd Petrey, who stated only two years ago that where the former board majority were is what he stood for: priority of highest academic achievement for students and fiscal responsibility? Did not prospective school superintendent, Todd Petrey, negotiate for highest salary ever charged to Taxpayers for a school administrator; and didn't Todd Petrey accept the whopping FIVE year contract at $130,000/yr. stating in the DDN website article that the board (his Employers) made it clear what was expected of him?

Wasn't it under the leadership of our former school board majority of Children First representatives that Todd Petrey's administrative staff and every school employee in Springboro started out the 2013-2014 school year with an increase in salary; and a school budget five year forecast that met the educational needs in our children's classrooms and the physical elements of taxpayer funded school facilities? All this, PLUS, a slight reduction in school taxes for every Springboro Family! Now, WHO could greedily ask for anything MORE?..... Only our Springboro Education Association union activists for S-U-R-E!

Today, after only six months under the "dictatorship" of our former insanely popular SHS principal, our school superintendent laments defense for S-U-R-E activists in the public school board meetings; and wastes taxpayers money hiring Jeff Stec, an outside facilitator to come up with a "Mission and Vision" statement for our school district to help our highly paid school Administrators to cope with their MoreRon status quo tunnel vision "identity crisis," putting the re-emphasis back on the Springboro Education Association's protests AGAINST our children first!

Wake up people! If Charles Anderson and Ron Malone will only listen to Todd Petrey's recommendations from his SEA staff in the board room, then who is representing our school children and community stakeholders?
Spiffy Quotes

Springboro, OH

#31831 Jul 27, 2014
Our school superintendent says If we didn't have great kids, we'd be losing staff big time;
but how is putting the re-emphasis on maintaining the status quo performance level helping our great kids achieve greater than just "proficient" year after year?
But, does our kids' greatness lie only in providing employment security for our union classroom teachers? Is "proficient" all there is in our children's future?

Great leaders have the confidence to empower performance improvement throughout the workplace and provide career advancement opportunities with the good of higher productivity levels becoming more of a reality.
Shouldn't our school district leaders put our union classroom teachers in a position to shoulder more responsibility and unleash their creative and productive potential, to the benefit of not just keeping the SEA staff happy in their collective employment in our taxpayer funded schools, but to the benefit of all students' individual potential academic achievement?
Contrariwise

Springboro, OH

#31832 Jul 29, 2014
Spiffy Quotes wrote:
Our school superintendent says If we didn't have great kids, we'd be losing staff big time;
but how is putting the re-emphasis on maintaining the status quo performance level helping our great kids achieve greater than just "proficient" year after year?
But, does our kids' greatness lie only in providing employment security for our union classroom teachers? Is "proficient" all there is in our children's future?
Great leaders have the confidence to empower performance improvement throughout the workplace and provide career advancement opportunities with the good of higher productivity levels becoming more of a reality.
Shouldn't our school district leaders put our union classroom teachers in a position to shoulder more responsibility and unleash their creative and productive potential, to the benefit of not just keeping the SEA staff happy in their collective employment in our taxpayer funded schools, but to the benefit of all students' individual potential academic achievement?
You Betcha!

On the contrary, as long as our union-controlled Springboro Board of Education presidentANDvicepresident, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone, are pulling the strings of our Super Puppet, Todd Petrey, all hopes of a brighter future for our school children and community will be dulled by the Shadowy figures of the Springboro Education Association union masters; and their lazy-minded approach to the challenges that lie ahead in our future 21st century education.

What you see here in Scott Maney's Big Picture of Educational Values for Springboro schools is all we will ever get from the leadership of Charles Anderson and Ron Malone--just more union forced protests against "working within budgetary means, fiscal responsibility, and garnering respect for Springboro Taxpayers.... and that's not a beautiful thing.

http://www.ohea.org/this-is-what-solidarity-l...
Overexpost

West Bloomfield, MI

#31833 Jul 29, 2014
Check out www.overexpost.com to learn new ways to make your own money if you're a student or parent. We need your opinions and ideas so we can bring you exactly what you want!
Just Asking

Springboro, OH

#31834 Jul 30, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
At the July 22, 2014 board meeting it was mentioned by Mr. Petrey how good our results were according to the state of Ohio. But even with that we should wait to see what the final breakdown looks like because we may be even better than now.
Mr. Petrey was of course speaking about the method by which the state determines the number of kids in each euphemistic category of Limited, Basic, Proficient, Accelerated, or Advanced.
With the swipe of a pen the state can declare more kids competent by lowering the bar to allow more children to "pass".
Lowering the bar artificially allows cover for poorly performing students, teachers, and school districts by maintaining the mirage of achievement.
Anyone out there care to debate the relative merits of making more children PROFICIENT by lowering the cut score from 44% to 36% on the Ohio Achievement Assessment reading test in the 6th grade?
Did your children get a better education as a result of that change?
PROFICIENT will still equate to FAILURE
Did your children get a better education as a result of that change?

Isn't that the REAL question that many voices are asking for S-U-R-E union activists to answer; now that the insanely popular MSA team is elected and CHANGING our winning Children First Budgeting Vision of Reform back to putting the re-emphasis on the union first best interests of maintaining status quo failed practices of the past?
Worth Repeating

Springboro, OH

#31835 Jul 30, 2014
Boro parent wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Wiedeman, thank you very much for your diligence and fearlessness in working to expose Ohio's jaded OAA grading system. Really, all you can do is hope others begin to realize the current system HAS FAILED, the current system ISN'T WORKING!.
All anyone has to do is look at the house next door... or across the street.
Boro students en masse have graduated, entered college or tech school and have realized that they're woefully under-prepared. Why? The reason - for most of their K-12 experiences, the vast majority of them have been told they're A-B students, when in fact, they were at best C-D students.
All around the nation as well as here in Ohio, the education bar keeps gradually getting lowered. Why? Certainly this has a lot to with politically motivated massive banner-hanging campaigns. No US president, no state governor, no public school district administrator, no parent likes to see declining test scores in their jurisdiction, under their watch, right?
Quite a number of politicians and educators have come to favor common core. Educators who favor common core are taking a tremendous gamble because they're throwing all their chips into a pot which essentially prohibits parents from having vocal input to their own child's education.
If they're seriously "about the students", Boro's school board ought to be putting serious thought and debate into the validity and viability of the OAA/OGT.
It's agreed with Boro Parent that...."Certainly this has a lot to do with politically motivated massive banner-hanging campaigns." Isn't "political motivation" what campaigns of Symbolism VS Sustainability is all about.... as in the "go red for ed" campaign conducted by Springboro Education Association union activists against our Children First?

If they're seriously "about the students" Boro's school board ought to be putting serious thought and debate into the OSBA indoctrinated BOE leadership VS the freedoms of the OSBLC leadership.

Can Springboro parents really trust that our OSBA leadership, that trains school board members NOT to ask questions, are not undermining our students first best interests, under the leadership of our union controlled board leaders, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone?

In theory, school board associations exist to strengthen public education. One of the ways they do that is by helping school officials stay on top of ever-changing education laws. For a fee, school board associations provide districts with sample policies that help school boards stay in full compliance with the law.
Thatís pretty benign and noncontroversial.
But critics say school board associations too often veer outside of their narrow, nonpartisan mission and serve as mouthpieces for the teacher unions.
Contrariwise

Springboro, OH

#31837 Jul 31, 2014
Worth Repeating wrote:
<quoted text>
It's agreed with Boro Parent that...."Certainly this has a lot to do with politically motivated massive banner-hanging campaigns." Isn't "political motivation" what campaigns of Symbolism VS Sustainability is all about.... as in the "go red for ed" campaign conducted by Springboro Education Association union activists against our Children First?
If they're seriously "about the students" Boro's school board ought to be putting serious thought and debate into the OSBA indoctrinated BOE leadership VS the freedoms of the OSBLC leadership.
Can Springboro parents really trust that our OSBA leadership, that trains school board members NOT to ask questions, are not undermining our students first best interests, under the leadership of our union controlled board leaders, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone?
In theory, school board associations exist to strengthen public education. One of the ways they do that is by helping school officials stay on top of ever-changing education laws. For a fee, school board associations provide districts with sample policies that help school boards stay in full compliance with the law.
Thatís pretty benign and noncontroversial.
But critics say school board associations too often veer outside of their narrow, nonpartisan mission and serve as mouthpieces for the teacher unions.
"For a fee, school board associations provide districts with sample policies that help school boards stay in full compliance with the law."

Unfortunately for Springboro school children and school district taxpayers,
Contrary to OSBLC policies that help school boards stay within their budgetary means, the OSBA consultants appear to help school boards create false budget crisis; for the purpose of then promoting new levies on the basis of budget deficit in the five year budget forecast that schools are required to submit to the state.
Excuse Me

Lebanon, OH

#31838 Jul 31, 2014
Pretty soon we will see the net results of borrowing of money they don't need so they can keep plenty of money available to toss at the union. Once they deplete our surplus funds through mismanagement and large raises they will honestly be able to come to the voters with a real financial crisis and demand we bail them out. Creating financial crisis is a bread and butter tool of the union. If only they put this much energy into educating our children. From the look of those test score results, I don't think many children are learning too much of anything. What are we paying for again? Babysitting?
Waste Watchers

Springboro, OH

#31839 Aug 1, 2014
Excuse Me wrote:
Pretty soon we will see the net results of borrowing of money they don't need so they can keep plenty of money available to toss at the union. Once they deplete our surplus funds through mismanagement and large raises they will honestly be able to come to the voters with a real financial crisis and demand we bail them out. Creating financial crisis is a bread and butter tool of the union. If only they put this much energy into educating our children. From the look of those test score results, I don't think many children are learning too much of anything. What are we paying for again? Babysitting?
From what we are learning about the OEA indoctrination of every child in our public schools with a union classroom teacher, many think all our children are learning too much propaganda promoting Youth Union Activists groups; fighting for Teachers Rights to advocate teachers' collective salaries/benefits to highest levels;, while wasting our school tax dollars dumbing down curriculum and lowering our standards for individual students' highest academic achievement potential by settling for "proficient?"

Doesn't proficient equal failure?

Isn't failure of the Union's Next Big Thing--unnecessary school levy number six--exactly the
direction in which our union controlled school board president and vice president, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone, are leading against our children first?....

Three votes at each board meeting ..... indebting taxpayers $5 million for unnecessary energy contract to Tremco; depleting our surplus funds through mismanagement and large raises; throwing the cost of the athletic department funding gap on the taxpayers backs even though the athletic department knowingly spent over budget; wasting taxpayers money on big costs of OSBA membership and OSBA financial consultants contracts; wasting taxpayers money on hiring Jeff Stec as outside facilitator to promote FEAR (false evidence appearing real) through community wide meetings.

Isn't the Many Voices Project vision and mission team really just out there in the community laying the foundation for the Union's Next Big Thing; presenting false budget crisis emotionally blackmailing taxpayers to vote yes to save the Union forces for the "sake of the Kids?"
De Ja Vu

Springboro, OH

#31840 Aug 1, 2014
Recently the Boro E-News announced new policy of "No late arrival or early dismissal option for students at SHS next year" stating "The Ohio Department of Eduction has changed the way school districts receive funding (Ohio Revised Code 3313.48). Attendance is now accounted for by the hour (rather than the day). Allowing students to participate in early release or late arrival significantly would reduce our districts funding by approximately
$140,000. Therefore, late arrival or early dismissal in the place of study halls is no longer an option for our juniors and seniors. Instead, students who requested early dismissal or late arrival in their 2014-2015 course schedule will be placed into a study hall, which could oocur during any period of the day......"

The Bore E-News website article continues by stating the options from which the student may choose one.......

But, inquiring minds are asking WHY our Springboro students who already requested early dismissal or late arrival in their 2014-2015 course schedule now HAVE to be placed into a study hall, just because the "state" has stamped a dollar sign on their foreheads in benefit of employment security of the union indoctrinated study hall teacher?

Perhaps many parents remember that our insanely popular retired educator (who is now elected board vice-president) ran our SHS like a union shop, making up classes with scant demand to ensure employment for those whose skills were not in demand. Doesn't this new restriction on our students individual freedoms to schedule courses that best fits indivdual educational needs remind you of our MSA team putting the re-emphasis on those past failed practices of MoreRon status quo?
lil birdie

Springboro, OH

#31841 Aug 2, 2014
A li'l birdie landed on my sill this morning and chirped into my ear that Petrey and his $12K publicly-funded wingman could very well make a showing at tommorrow's Family Indoctrination Day.
Just Super

Springboro, OH

#31842 Aug 2, 2014
Spot On! Just look for the union label--Petrey Does It All For SURE!
Boro Teacher since 1989

Springboro, OH

#31843 Aug 6, 2014
A bit off-topic, but I think it is important. Just an estimate, but I believe 60% of our Boro teachers would be very happy if we got a new union. Representation is fine, but they don't care about us. They simply are money-grabbers that want to line their own pockets. There...I said it!
Precisely Watson

Dayton, OH

#31844 Aug 7, 2014
Boro Teacher since 1989 wrote:
A bit off-topic, but I think it is important. Just an estimate, but I believe 60% of our Boro teachers would be very happy if we got a new union. Representation is fine, but they don't care about us. They simply are money-grabbers that want to line their own pockets. There...I said it!
THANK YOU for your insight. As a parent with kids in the Boro school system I've always appreciated the work they put in. Anytime I've ever had to communicate with a teacher about my children's grades, homework, etc., they've always been helpful.

As this new Board gets deeper into their roles it's painfully obvious that there focus is on union support NOT children first.

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