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Smith speak with

Cleveland, OH

#31794 Jul 23, 2014
Forked tongue
It is true many of his energy improvements will last a long time, but it also means we will have a 20 year debt to pay for long since obsoleted energy saving devices. A decade ago a super high efficiency HVAC unit was 12 SEER, now they are nearly 20. Anybody want to bet on what they will be in 10 more years.
A better option would be a yearly measured upgrade program that replaced items with the highest rating for that year. A systematic approach that would not require going into $5,000,000 worth of debt using a queer and abnormal fund raising scheme that puts everything the district owns up as collateral. All this while bypassing the taxpayer who will now be on the hook for the next 20 years paying for long outmoded equipment and forgotten inefficient light fixtures.
If this is such a good idea, why not put a levy on the ballot and get the money the safe way?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31797 Jul 24, 2014
The previous post flew in the face of Ms. Stritenberger and Mr. Petrey assertion that the junior high is doing quite well on the basic state math test known as the Ohio Achievement Assessment test. Post #31795 and #31796

They already deleted one, let us all see how long it takes them to censor the truth on this one.

A more honest assessment of the children's level of knowledge reveals that we have:

PASSING 75% or better - 23%

FAILING 74% or lower - 77%

That is not really much to write home about. am I wrong in my assessment?

Using an artificially low scale to judge the effectiveness of our program of studies is intellectually dishonest.

Celebrating this feat when we know the underlying basis for these facts is intellectually dishonest and cheats our children of a true education. An education we are most certainly capable of providing all of our children. Celebrating this feat when we know the underlying basis for these facts is intellectually dishonest and cheats our children of a true education. An education we are most certainly capable of providing all of our children.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31798 Jul 24, 2014
the buddy system wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a pile of horse####!
Yes, it's true Todd Smith is not an elected official.
However, Smith became accountable to each and every taxpayer of Springboro Community City School District THE INSTANT Todd Petrey appointed him to the district's budget committee!
Isn't that the reason they gave for disqualifying Matt Worthen, the head of our IT department, from attending any meetings regarding our IT needs while he was still employed but had given his notice?
Straight To The Point

Springboro, OH

#31799 Jul 24, 2014
Smith speak with wrote:
Forked tongue
It is true many of his energy improvements will last a long time, but it also means we will have a 20 year debt to pay for long since obsoleted energy saving devices. A decade ago a super high efficiency HVAC unit was 12 SEER, now they are nearly 20. Anybody want to bet on what they will be in 10 more years.
A better option would be a yearly measured upgrade program that replaced items with the highest rating for that year. A systematic approach that would not require going into $5,000,000 worth of debt using a queer and abnormal fund raising scheme that puts everything the district owns up as collateral. All this while bypassing the taxpayer who will now be on the hook for the next 20 years paying for long outmoded equipment and forgotten inefficient light fixtures.
If this is such a good idea, why not put a levy on the ballot and get the money the safe way?
No "IFs" about it ....... This Tremco contract IS such a BAD idea, WHY not Reverse the
Votes of the union controlled MSA team and CANCEL the contract?

Keep in Mind there is no "safe" way for our local government to overtax its Citizens by putting unnecessary levies on the ballot..... The Union masters must always consider the "risk" in seeking to overtax an informed community of civic minded citizens.

Anybody out there remember the failure of the May 2013 unnecessary CCFD 93% fire levy tax increase against Springboro families, imposed upon us by our union controlled CC Township Trustees, Ed Wade and Jason Gabbard?
ditch digger

Dayton, OH

#31800 Jul 24, 2014
bottom line: I have and always will vote against school levies. All of this stuff is just white noise to me.

P.S. don't quote spiffy quotes like, "you hate kids, or don't care for home values, or it only costs a meal for 4 once a week", etc, etc..
Get Real

Springboro, OH

#31801 Jul 24, 2014
the buddy system wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a pile of horse####!
Yes, it's true Todd Smith is not an elected official.
However, Smith became accountable to each and every taxpayer of Springboro Community City School District THE INSTANT Todd Petrey appointed him to the district's budget committee!
And, isn't it also TRUE that Todd Petrey is NOT an elected official?

Todd Petrey is an employee of Springboro Taxpayers, who was hired to serve the educational needs of all Springboro Families without bias for S-U-R-E.

Todd Petrey went a bit beyond the TRUTH when he defended Todd Smith's service of expertise on the Budget Committee.... since 1997???

Perhaps MoreRon's status quo tunnel vision has blinded Mr. Petrey to the fact that the concern of community members IS not focused on Todd Smith's character (nor the fact that Todd Smith has his kids enrolled in Springboro schools)....

Community members engaged in discussions of these important school district issues are focused on the seemingly "bad judgment in decision making" shown by Mr. Petrey,
during the past six months under the leadership of our union controlled Board of Education majority members: Charles Anderson, Ron Malone, and David Stuckey.

Wake Up Springboro -- This is NOT a Children First board room any more!
Mr. Petrey does it all for S-U-R-E!
Thank you

Toledo, OH

#31802 Jul 24, 2014
Thank you to the BOE for giving the Athletic Boosters a 5 year deal on the concession stand!
Truth That Hurts

Springboro, OH

#31803 Jul 24, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't that the reason they gave for disqualifying Matt Worthen, the head of our IT department, from attending any meetings regarding our IT needs while he was still employed but had given his notice?
Yes.... And that's the truth that hurts credibility of our school district leaders judgment,
under the direction of our union controlled boardpresident/vicepresident, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone.
Excuse Me

Springboro, OH

#31804 Jul 24, 2014
Thank you wrote:
Thank you to the BOE for giving the Athletic Boosters a 5 year deal on the concession stand!
It is hoped by Springboro Taxpayers that the BOE did not "give" anything to the Athletic Boosters, that our Athletic Boosters have not earned by cleaning up their violations operating without non-profit status compliance with the IRS.

So, which is it: Did the Athletic Boosters get their dirty acts all washed up, under their new leadership, and now ready to act in respectful partnership with the Springboro Board of Education?
dose o reality

Springboro, OH

#31805 Jul 24, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Where to begin from last night's July 22 board meeting.
Mr. Malone saying text books don't teach, they don't matter, teachers can teach whatever they want.
Never has the wise old man spoke a more true statement.
Now we couple Mr. Malone's assessment of teachers with Mr. Petrey's claim that 97% of the kids in the 6th grade passed reading on the latest OAA test.
What Mr. Petrey neglected to mention was that a child needed to be able to answer only 44% of the test correctly to pass according to our stringent state requirements.
That is right, a child only needs to score 44% on a basic state test to "pass".
44% on a reading test will not even allow the child to fill our an unemployment form in the future.
Who is responsible for this educational miasma?
According to Mr. Malone, teachers teaching whatever they wish.
Re: 7/22 BOE meeting
In the midst of this drawn-out recession/obamaconomy, it's rather presumptuous of Mr. Petrey and the BOE to assume each and every district family can afford to buy laptops... for EVERY 6-12 grade Springboro student.
Reality Bytes

Springboro, OH

#31806 Jul 24, 2014
dose o reality wrote:
<quoted text>
Re: 7/22 BOE meeting
In the midst of this drawn-out recession/obamaconomy, it's rather presumptuous of Mr. Petrey and the BOE to assume each and every district family can afford to buy laptops... for EVERY 6-12 grade Springboro student.
That's so true; and also rather presumptuous of Mr. Petrey and the BOE to assume that each and every district family is not watching the irresponsible manner in which he is stupidly wasting our Money, just because he can, under the BOE leadership of Charles Anderson and Ron Malone.

People in this community should wake up to the fact that the system is broken; And we can't just keep "investing" our hard earned dollars into maintaining status quo of the old, outdated practices of the collective bargaining rights of the Union masters, which are all wrong for our Children First. We are now being informed of the disappointing Test Scores that are now public record (in spite of the grave efforts of some to bury the TRUTH from Springboro families) and it appears that Taxpayers are being cheated by our professional educators whose performances are not "paying it forward" investing in highest academic achievement for each and every ONE of our students classroom education.

Can we really expect that every child enrolled in this district's classrooms with a union teacher is going to be provided a Years' worth of higher achievement? Not in My Community, with Mr. Petrey and his administrative staff working under the union-controlled leadership of BOEpresident/vicePresident, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31810 Jul 24, 2014
While Mr. Petrey, Ms Vincent, and Ms Stritenberger live in an Orwellian place where FAILURE is called success, the rest of us inhabit a place called reality.

In reality mastering just 30% to 40% is not cause for rejoicing, it generally portends one's dismissal.

See how long a child lasts in college scoring like that in their core subjects.

Posts 31807, 331808, and 31809 reflect the experiences of just one class.

A look at the historical record archived by the state of Ohio of our past results will reveal similar patterns. This class of 2017 is actually one of the better ones, most will not be nearly as positive.

Cause for celebration?

Only for the intellectually disingenuous.

Who pays the price for this willful disregard of actual results by the school administration along with Mr Anderson, Mr. Malone, and Mr Stuckey?

Once again, the children.
the buddy system

Springboro, OH

#31811 Jul 24, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't that the reason they gave for disqualifying Matt Worthen, the head of our IT department, from attending any meetings regarding our IT needs while he was still employed but had given his notice?
Very true!

Something else that's true is that it's nothing short of a miracle that your reply hasn't been deep-sixed!!
the buddy system

Springboro, OH

#31812 Jul 24, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
While Mr. Petrey, Ms Vincent, and Ms Stritenberger live in an Orwellian place where FAILURE is called success, the rest of us inhabit a place called reality.
In reality mastering just 30% to 40% is not cause for rejoicing, it generally portends one's dismissal.
See how long a child lasts in college scoring like that in their core subjects.

Posts 31807, 331808, and 31809 reflect the experiences of just one class.
Gee... I sure would've like to have read thru those three posts, Doug.
Apparently the topix powers-that-be harbour a distorted perception that the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment amounts to nothing more than bird cage lining or fish-wrapping. Where do you suppose they get their training? Beijing? Moscow? Pyongyang?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31813 Jul 24, 2014
Wow that must be a new record for the censorship police. Less than two hours.

For some the truth is a bit unsettling, but it remains the only way to confront one's demons.

Perhaps we should put the school administration on a 12-step program to detoxify their minds of the Orwellian Union Speak that is so pervasive in our system.

PROFICIENT means FAILURE, now success.

Any child who is only able to master 30%- 50% of the material is FAILING, along with the teachers who are teaching them.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31814 Jul 24, 2014
The strengthening of our curriculum will begin when we throw away Mr. Malone's and the union's proud assertions that PROFICIENT is good enough for our children.

Mr. Petroni addressed that subject over a year ago at an August board meeting when he asked that we establish a higher level of accomplishment in Springboro rather than celebrating the artificially low level the state demands today.

I attended those board meetings earlier in the year when each school principal would present the state of affairs in their school. Invariably the talk moved towards how good we were doing in meeting the state standards and how many children we had at the PROFICIENT level. Each time this was mentioned the place erupted in cheers and clapping from the teachers and union supporters present.

I have a difficult time believing that each of these teachers and administrators did not know what it took me about 15 minutes to figure out,

PROFICIENT equals FAILURE.

Let's look at the Class of 2017 as an example

Class of 2017

From 5th grade through 8th grade

2009-2010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Math test results

5th Grade 2009-2010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and state's distribution of students for the 5th grade
.
Limited..........30 Students
Limited.......... 24% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -16 correct answers =(0-31% correct)
.
Basic..........42 Students
Basic ..........38% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--17 - 22 correct answers =(33-42% correct)
.
Proficient........109 Students
Proficient........48% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -23-31 correct answers =(44-60% correct)
.
Accelerated.....62 Students
Accelerated.....66% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--31 -36 correct answers =(62-69% correct)
.
Advanced........173 Students
Advanced........80% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -52 correct answers =(71-100% correct)
.
Applying the grading system Mr. Malone used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) in his high school
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......199 Students
Percentage of Students.....48% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......74 Students
Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........92 Students
Percentage of Students.....22% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........39 Students
Percentage of Students.....9% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....12 Students
Percentage of Students....3% receiving A

In 5th grade Class of 2017 we find

PASSING 75% or better - 34%

FAILING 74% and below - 66%
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31815 Jul 24, 2014
Class of 2017

2010-2011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Math test results

6th Grade 2010-2011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 6th grade
.
Limited..........14 Students
Limited.......... 23% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -14 correct answers =(0-28% correct)
.
Basic..........13 Students
Basic ..........35% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--15 - 19 correct answers =(30-38% correct)
.
Proficient........83 Students
Proficient........50% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -20-28 correct answers =(40-56% correct)
.
Accelerated.....76 Students
Accelerated.....62% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--29 -33 correct answers =(58-66% correct)
.
Advanced........181 Students
Advanced........79% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--34 -50 correct answers =(68-100% correct)
.
Applying the grading system Mr. Malone used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) in his high school
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......156 Students
Percentage of Students.....43% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......97 Students
Percentage of Students.....16% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........76 Students
Percentage of Students.....20% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........32 Students
Percentage of Students.....9% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....6 Students
Percentage of Students....2% receiving A

In 6th grade Class of 2017 we find

PASSING 75% or better - 31%

FAILING 74% and below - 69%
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31816 Jul 24, 2014
Class of 2017

2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Math test results

7th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 7th grade
.
Limited..........8 Students
Limited.......... 17% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -9 correct answers =(0-18% correct)
.
Basic..........33 Students
Basic ..........26% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--10 - 15 correct answers =(20-30% correct)
.
Proficient........137 Students
Proficient........48% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -16-29 correct answers =(32-58% correct)
.
Accelerated.....104 Students
Accelerated.....66% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--30 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........108 Students
Advanced........83% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)
.
Applying the grading system Mr. Malone used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) in his high school
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......211 Students
Percentage of Students.....54% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......79 Students
Percentage of Students.....20% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........56 Students
Percentage of Students.....14% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........36 Students
Percentage of Students.....9% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....9 Students
Percentage of Students....2% receiving A

In 7th grade Class of 2017 we find

PASSING 75% or better - 26%

FAILING 74% and below - 74%
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31817 Jul 24, 2014
Class of 2017

2012-2013 Ohio Achievement Assessment Math test results

8th Grade 2012-2013 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......46 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 8th grade
.
Limited..........8 Students
Limited.......... 19% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
.
Basic..........29 Students
Basic ..........29% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11 - 15 correct answers =(22-33% correct)
.
Proficient........119 Students
Proficient........48% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -16-27 correct answers =(35-59% correct)
.
Accelerated.....146 Students
Accelerated.....70% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--28 -36 correct answers =(61-78% correct)
.
Advanced........93 Students
Advanced........87% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(80-100% correct)
.
Applying the grading system Mr. Malone used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) in his high school
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......173 Students
Percentage of Students.....46% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......90 Students
Percentage of Students.....23% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........56 Students
Percentage of Students.....14% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........46 Students
Percentage of Students.....12% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....21 Students
Percentage of Students....5% receiving A

In 8th grade Class of 2017 we find

PASSING 75% or better - 31%

FAILING 74% and below - 69%
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31818 Jul 24, 2014
Posts 31814, 31815, 31816, 31817 follow the Class of 2017 from 5th grade to 8th grade in their quest for real knowledge in math.

This was posted July 24 at 11:50 p.m.

It presents in an hones fashion the results of each years Ohio Achievement Assessment tests for the same set of children.

It also demonstrates how little progress we are making moving the ball forward for our children.

More data on other classes can be found by googling

Ohio Department of Education Statistical Summaries and Item Analysis

http://education.ohio.gov/Topics/Testing/Stat...

The state's archives go back to 2003 so one can track any class and how they do on the basic state math tests administered each year in grades 3-8.

Look for yourself.

Don't believe me or the union and their minions, the proof is readily available for your perusal.

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