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Reality Bytes

Springfield, OH

#31806 Jul 24, 2014
dose o reality wrote:
<quoted text>
Re: 7/22 BOE meeting
In the midst of this drawn-out recession/obamaconomy, it's rather presumptuous of Mr. Petrey and the BOE to assume each and every district family can afford to buy laptops... for EVERY 6-12 grade Springboro student.
That's so true; and also rather presumptuous of Mr. Petrey and the BOE to assume that each and every district family is not watching the irresponsible manner in which he is stupidly wasting our Money, just because he can, under the BOE leadership of Charles Anderson and Ron Malone.

People in this community should wake up to the fact that the system is broken; And we can't just keep "investing" our hard earned dollars into maintaining status quo of the old, outdated practices of the collective bargaining rights of the Union masters, which are all wrong for our Children First. We are now being informed of the disappointing Test Scores that are now public record (in spite of the grave efforts of some to bury the TRUTH from Springboro families) and it appears that Taxpayers are being cheated by our professional educators whose performances are not "paying it forward" investing in highest academic achievement for each and every ONE of our students classroom education.

Can we really expect that every child enrolled in this district's classrooms with a union teacher is going to be provided a Years' worth of higher achievement? Not in My Community, with Mr. Petrey and his administrative staff working under the union-controlled leadership of BOEpresident/vicePresident, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31810 Jul 24, 2014
While Mr. Petrey, Ms Vincent, and Ms Stritenberger live in an Orwellian place where FAILURE is called success, the rest of us inhabit a place called reality.

In reality mastering just 30% to 40% is not cause for rejoicing, it generally portends one's dismissal.

See how long a child lasts in college scoring like that in their core subjects.

Posts 31807, 331808, and 31809 reflect the experiences of just one class.

A look at the historical record archived by the state of Ohio of our past results will reveal similar patterns. This class of 2017 is actually one of the better ones, most will not be nearly as positive.

Cause for celebration?

Only for the intellectually disingenuous.

Who pays the price for this willful disregard of actual results by the school administration along with Mr Anderson, Mr. Malone, and Mr Stuckey?

Once again, the children.
the buddy system

Springfield, OH

#31811 Jul 24, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't that the reason they gave for disqualifying Matt Worthen, the head of our IT department, from attending any meetings regarding our IT needs while he was still employed but had given his notice?
Very true!

Something else that's true is that it's nothing short of a miracle that your reply hasn't been deep-sixed!!
the buddy system

Springfield, OH

#31812 Jul 24, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
While Mr. Petrey, Ms Vincent, and Ms Stritenberger live in an Orwellian place where FAILURE is called success, the rest of us inhabit a place called reality.
In reality mastering just 30% to 40% is not cause for rejoicing, it generally portends one's dismissal.
See how long a child lasts in college scoring like that in their core subjects.

Posts 31807, 331808, and 31809 reflect the experiences of just one class.
Gee... I sure would've like to have read thru those three posts, Doug.
Apparently the topix powers-that-be harbour a distorted perception that the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment amounts to nothing more than bird cage lining or fish-wrapping. Where do you suppose they get their training? Beijing? Moscow? Pyongyang?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31813 Jul 24, 2014
Wow that must be a new record for the censorship police. Less than two hours.

For some the truth is a bit unsettling, but it remains the only way to confront one's demons.

Perhaps we should put the school administration on a 12-step program to detoxify their minds of the Orwellian Union Speak that is so pervasive in our system.

PROFICIENT means FAILURE, now success.

Any child who is only able to master 30%- 50% of the material is FAILING, along with the teachers who are teaching them.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31814 Jul 24, 2014
The strengthening of our curriculum will begin when we throw away Mr. Malone's and the union's proud assertions that PROFICIENT is good enough for our children.

Mr. Petroni addressed that subject over a year ago at an August board meeting when he asked that we establish a higher level of accomplishment in Springboro rather than celebrating the artificially low level the state demands today.

I attended those board meetings earlier in the year when each school principal would present the state of affairs in their school. Invariably the talk moved towards how good we were doing in meeting the state standards and how many children we had at the PROFICIENT level. Each time this was mentioned the place erupted in cheers and clapping from the teachers and union supporters present.

I have a difficult time believing that each of these teachers and administrators did not know what it took me about 15 minutes to figure out,

PROFICIENT equals FAILURE.

Let's look at the Class of 2017 as an example

Class of 2017

From 5th grade through 8th grade

2009-2010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Math test results

5th Grade 2009-2010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and state's distribution of students for the 5th grade
.
Limited..........30 Students
Limited.......... 24% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -16 correct answers =(0-31% correct)
.
Basic..........42 Students
Basic ..........38% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--17 - 22 correct answers =(33-42% correct)
.
Proficient........109 Students
Proficient........48% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -23-31 correct answers =(44-60% correct)
.
Accelerated.....62 Students
Accelerated.....66% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--31 -36 correct answers =(62-69% correct)
.
Advanced........173 Students
Advanced........80% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -52 correct answers =(71-100% correct)
.
Applying the grading system Mr. Malone used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) in his high school
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......199 Students
Percentage of Students.....48% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......74 Students
Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........92 Students
Percentage of Students.....22% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........39 Students
Percentage of Students.....9% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....12 Students
Percentage of Students....3% receiving A

In 5th grade Class of 2017 we find

PASSING 75% or better - 34%

FAILING 74% and below - 66%
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31815 Jul 24, 2014
Class of 2017

2010-2011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Math test results

6th Grade 2010-2011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 6th grade
.
Limited..........14 Students
Limited.......... 23% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -14 correct answers =(0-28% correct)
.
Basic..........13 Students
Basic ..........35% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--15 - 19 correct answers =(30-38% correct)
.
Proficient........83 Students
Proficient........50% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -20-28 correct answers =(40-56% correct)
.
Accelerated.....76 Students
Accelerated.....62% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--29 -33 correct answers =(58-66% correct)
.
Advanced........181 Students
Advanced........79% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--34 -50 correct answers =(68-100% correct)
.
Applying the grading system Mr. Malone used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) in his high school
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......156 Students
Percentage of Students.....43% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......97 Students
Percentage of Students.....16% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........76 Students
Percentage of Students.....20% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........32 Students
Percentage of Students.....9% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....6 Students
Percentage of Students....2% receiving A

In 6th grade Class of 2017 we find

PASSING 75% or better - 31%

FAILING 74% and below - 69%
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31816 Jul 24, 2014
Class of 2017

2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Math test results

7th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 7th grade
.
Limited..........8 Students
Limited.......... 17% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -9 correct answers =(0-18% correct)
.
Basic..........33 Students
Basic ..........26% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--10 - 15 correct answers =(20-30% correct)
.
Proficient........137 Students
Proficient........48% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -16-29 correct answers =(32-58% correct)
.
Accelerated.....104 Students
Accelerated.....66% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--30 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........108 Students
Advanced........83% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)
.
Applying the grading system Mr. Malone used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) in his high school
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......211 Students
Percentage of Students.....54% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......79 Students
Percentage of Students.....20% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........56 Students
Percentage of Students.....14% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........36 Students
Percentage of Students.....9% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....9 Students
Percentage of Students....2% receiving A

In 7th grade Class of 2017 we find

PASSING 75% or better - 26%

FAILING 74% and below - 74%
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31817 Jul 24, 2014
Class of 2017

2012-2013 Ohio Achievement Assessment Math test results

8th Grade 2012-2013 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......46 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 8th grade
.
Limited..........8 Students
Limited.......... 19% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
.
Basic..........29 Students
Basic ..........29% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11 - 15 correct answers =(22-33% correct)
.
Proficient........119 Students
Proficient........48% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -16-27 correct answers =(35-59% correct)
.
Accelerated.....146 Students
Accelerated.....70% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--28 -36 correct answers =(61-78% correct)
.
Advanced........93 Students
Advanced........87% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(80-100% correct)
.
Applying the grading system Mr. Malone used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) in his high school
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......173 Students
Percentage of Students.....46% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......90 Students
Percentage of Students.....23% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........56 Students
Percentage of Students.....14% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........46 Students
Percentage of Students.....12% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....21 Students
Percentage of Students....5% receiving A

In 8th grade Class of 2017 we find

PASSING 75% or better - 31%

FAILING 74% and below - 69%
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31818 Jul 24, 2014
Posts 31814, 31815, 31816, 31817 follow the Class of 2017 from 5th grade to 8th grade in their quest for real knowledge in math.

This was posted July 24 at 11:50 p.m.

It presents in an hones fashion the results of each years Ohio Achievement Assessment tests for the same set of children.

It also demonstrates how little progress we are making moving the ball forward for our children.

More data on other classes can be found by googling

Ohio Department of Education Statistical Summaries and Item Analysis

http://education.ohio.gov/Topics/Testing/Stat...

The state's archives go back to 2003 so one can track any class and how they do on the basic state math tests administered each year in grades 3-8.

Look for yourself.

Don't believe me or the union and their minions, the proof is readily available for your perusal.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31819 Jul 25, 2014
At the July 22, 2014 board meeting it was mentioned by Mr. Petrey how good our results were according to the state of Ohio. But even with that we should wait to see what the final breakdown looks like because we may be even better than now.

Mr. Petrey was of course speaking about the method by which the state determines the number of kids in each euphemistic category of Limited, Basic, Proficient, Accelerated, or Advanced.

With the swipe of a pen the state can declare more kids competent by lowering the bar to allow more children to "pass".

Lowering the bar artificially allows cover for poorly performing students, teachers, and school districts by maintaining the mirage of achievement.

Anyone out there care to debate the relative merits of making more children PROFICIENT by lowering the cut score from 44% to 36% on the Ohio Achievement Assessment reading test in the 6th grade?

Did your children get a better education as a result of that change?

PROFICIENT will still equate to FAILURE
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31820 Jul 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Posts 31814, 31815, 31816, 31817 follow the Class of 2017 from 5th grade to 8th grade in their quest for real knowledge in math.
This was posted July 24 at 11:50 p.m.
It presents in an hones fashion the results of each years Ohio Achievement Assessment tests for the same set of children.
It also demonstrates how little progress we are making moving the ball forward for our children.
More data on other classes can be found by googling
Ohio Department of Education Statistical Summaries and Item Analysis
http://education.ohio.gov/Topics/Testing/Stat...
The state's archives go back to 2003 so one can track any class and how they do on the basic state math tests administered each year in grades 3-8.
Look for yourself.
Don't believe me or the union and their minions, the proof is readily available for your perusal.
That lasted just 9.5 hours before the powers that be decided the information contained within was to much for the taxpayers of this district to handle.

Pity.
Better Watch Out

Springfield, OH

#31822 Jul 25, 2014
Good Golly wrote:
.... Good Golly Miss Molly!
Those posts on the disappointing public record of school tests results, with Springboro parent Doug Wiedeman's Name being deleted reminds taxpayers of another violation of our students' privacy rights when our beloved union classroom teacher and "supplementally employed" student mentor abused and used our students ID records for her personal political use promoting the election of two retired educators, Ron Malone and David Stuckey, as school board representatives.
4 minutes and counting - how low will they go in deleting what the community taxpayers already know from public records?

Remember the words of our FORMER SHS principal during our school district's recent
AnonymousGate in the Board room?

The fact that it's anonymous doesn't really bother me because I think it says people are watching no matter what you do and even if they're not watching you--you should always be kind to someone.
lol

Springfield, OH

#31823 Jul 25, 2014
Better Watch Out wrote:
<quoted text>
4 minutes and counting - how low will they go in deleting what the community taxpayers already know from public records?
Remember the words of our FORMER SHS principal during our school district's recent
AnonymousGate in the Board room?
The fact that it's anonymous doesn't really bother me because I think it says people are watching no matter what you do and even if they're not watching you--you should always be kind to someone.
Topix posts 31807, 31808, 31809 still missing on this free discussion blog.

.... could it be that wise old man, who HAS BEEN an educator for 41 years, is currently on TP patrol for S-U-R-E and he just..........
d-o-z-e-d off as he often did on the job as insanely popular SHS principal....or just being true to his school, perhaps he hid important school district information reporting disappointing test results in his desk drawer, which was his habit of ignoring and hiding, costly school documents such as the Warren County ESC Review of SHS Program of Studies and Master Schedule?
Boro parent

Springfield, OH

#31824 Jul 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
At the July 22, 2014 board meeting it was mentioned by Mr. Petrey how good our results were according to the state of Ohio. But even with that we should wait to see what the final breakdown looks like because we may be even better than now.
Mr. Petrey was of course speaking about the method by which the state determines the number of kids in each euphemistic category of Limited, Basic, Proficient, Accelerated, or Advanced.
With the swipe of a pen the state can declare more kids competent by lowering the bar to allow more children to "pass".
Lowering the bar artificially allows cover for poorly performing students, teachers, and school districts by maintaining the mirage of achievement.
Anyone out there care to debate the relative merits of making more children PROFICIENT by lowering the cut score from 44% to 36% on the Ohio Achievement Assessment reading test in the 6th grade?
Did your children get a better education as a result of that change?
PROFICIENT will still equate to FAILURE
Mr. Wiedeman, thank you very much for your diligence and fearlessness in working to expose Ohio's jaded OAA grading system. Really, all you can do is hope others begin to realize the current system HAS FAILED, the current system ISN'T WORKING!.

All anyone has to do is look at the house next door... or across the street.

Boro students en masse have graduated, entered college or tech school and have realized that they're woefully under-prepared. Why? The reason - for most of their K-12 experiences, the vast majority of them have been told they're A-B students, when in fact, they were at best C-D students.

All around the nation as well as here in Ohio, the education bar keeps gradually getting lowered. Why? Certainly this has a lot to with politically motivated massive banner-hanging campaigns. No US president, no state governor, no public school district administrator, no parent likes to see declining test scores in their jurisdiction, under their watch, right?

Quite a number of politicians and educators have come to favor common core. Educators who favor common core are taking a tremendous gamble because they're throwing all their chips into a pot which essentially prohibits parents from having vocal input to their own child's education.

If they're seriously "about the students", Boro's school board ought to be putting serious thought and debate into the validity and viability of the OAA/OGT.
Silly Politics

Springfield, OH

#31826 Jul 25, 2014
ditch digger wrote:
bottom line: I have and always will vote against school levies. All of this stuff is just white noise to me.
P.S. don't quote spiffy quotes like, "you hate kids, or don't care for home values, or it only costs a meal for 4 once a week", etc, etc..
Haven't you heard that the current spiffy quote of "Many Voices" recommendation of Renewed Springboro Education Association's Mission Statement for our children's future is, simply put, with a $12,000 waste of taxpayers money.....

Todd Petrey Does It All For S-U-R-E!

(BUT only with a lot of help from his two bosses, BOE president and vice president, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone.)
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31827 Jul 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
That lasted just 9.5 hours before the powers that be decided the information contained within was to much for the taxpayers of this district to handle.
Pity.
And suddenly they reappear at 3:50 p.m. July 25th after I made a request to discern the source of their censorship.

We can address the usual excuses heard from the school district, "the tests are really hard", "our kids just don't try on them because they know they don't matter", "our kids don't do well as test takers", "our kids don't do well with word problems", "compared to other districts we are really good", "this was a challenging year,"etc, etc.

Always an excuse instead of working to identify the problem and begin planning upon solutions.

As Mr. Malone stated, "what is in textbooks doesn't matter, teachers can teach whatever they want", maybe that is the part of the problem.
Performance Review

Springfield, OH

#31828 Jul 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
And suddenly they reappear at 3:50 p.m. July 25th after I made a request to discern the source of their censorship.
We can address the usual excuses heard from the school district, "the tests are really hard", "our kids just don't try on them because they know they don't matter", "our kids don't do well as test takers", "our kids don't do well with word problems", "compared to other districts we are really good", "this was a challenging year,"etc, etc.
Always an excuse instead of working to identify the problem and begin planning upon solutions.
As Mr. Malone stated, "what is in textbooks doesn't matter, teachers can teach whatever they want", maybe that is the part of the problem.
Mr. Malone's statement isn't surprising since he is owned by the voice of SEA union solidarity, with no leadership skills set to think independently, as an elected official whose responsibility is representing the Constituents in this school district (who pay the big costs for our children's classroom education). Perhaps you were in the public board meeting a year or so ago when our union classroom social studies teacher defied board authority's input on curriculum matters, even projecting concern that the ONE having authority over what is taught in the classroom could be crazy?

During the six months of observing Mr. Malone as vice president in the board room, it is obvious that is unaware of his "sworn" constitutional duty to defend America's belief in free speech and the exchange of ideas.

At the July 22 public meeting, Mr. Malone was obviously agitated at fellow board members taking time to ask questions regarding the $12,000/yearly contract for the OSBA financial consultant's service. Mr. Malone wanted to just shut up the board member asking questions and get on with the MSA Yes vote for wasting taxpayers money; without letting the public know that there was a Mark Up on the cost to the OSBA contract, because the OSBA "contracted" a third party. Just layers and layers of waste going on between our Board President/Vice President and the OSBA lobbyists for "New Levies for
Every School District" within the next two years. Mr. Malone finally out-bullied the board member asking questions by whining WHY WHY WHY all these questions; stating that this isn't the way the five year budget forecasts used to be done; but that's the way they are going to be done now!

Inquiring minds throughout our community are now asking among themselves:
Does this union controlled board president and vice president, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone, even allow open discourse on controversial topics; or allow tough questions to be asked (even if it isn't the popular thing)?
truth to power

Springfield, OH

#31829 Jul 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
And suddenly they reappear at 3:50 p.m. July 25th after I made a request to discern the source of their censorship.
We can address the usual excuses heard from the school district, "the tests are really hard", "our kids just don't try on them because they know they don't matter", "our kids don't do well as test takers", "our kids don't do well with word problems", "compared to other districts we are really good", "this was a challenging year,"etc, etc.
Always an excuse instead of working to identify the problem and begin planning upon solutions.
As Mr. Malone stated, "what is in textbooks doesn't matter, teachers can teach whatever they want", maybe that is the part of the problem.
Keep up the good work, Doug. History repeatedly tells the story of censorship attempts that have failed. And regarding Mr. Malone, increasing numbers of folks in this community are being turned off by some of the BS that's coming out of his mouth. Boro's finally noticing all of the chinks in that armour of insane popularity.
Then and Now

Springfield, OH

#31830 Jul 26, 2014
As parents and teachers, we all know that it is impossible to use logic and reason in dealing with two years olds--and it is insanely irresponsible that our school district Two-Year-Old
"Todd Team" of Todd Petrey and Todd Smith, have thrown the logic and reasoning of fiscal responsibility, living within our means, out of the board room; bending in the direction of inept leadership of our 2014 BOE leaders, Charles Anderson and Ron Malone. Does anybody know what happened to the Building Maintenance and future needs plan that was built into our school district's five year forecast, living within our means, that was presented by our former Board Budget/Finance Committee members, David Petroni and Jim Rigano, before Todd Petrey and Todd Smith took control of our multi-million dollar budget?

Why the double speak of Todd Petrey, who stated only two years ago that where the former board majority were is what he stood for: priority of highest academic achievement for students and fiscal responsibility? Did not prospective school superintendent, Todd Petrey, negotiate for highest salary ever charged to Taxpayers for a school administrator; and didn't Todd Petrey accept the whopping FIVE year contract at $130,000/yr. stating in the DDN website article that the board (his Employers) made it clear what was expected of him?

Wasn't it under the leadership of our former school board majority of Children First representatives that Todd Petrey's administrative staff and every school employee in Springboro started out the 2013-2014 school year with an increase in salary; and a school budget five year forecast that met the educational needs in our children's classrooms and the physical elements of taxpayer funded school facilities? All this, PLUS, a slight reduction in school taxes for every Springboro Family! Now, WHO could greedily ask for anything MORE?..... Only our Springboro Education Association union activists for S-U-R-E!

Today, after only six months under the "dictatorship" of our former insanely popular SHS principal, our school superintendent laments defense for S-U-R-E activists in the public school board meetings; and wastes taxpayers money hiring Jeff Stec, an outside facilitator to come up with a "Mission and Vision" statement for our school district to help our highly paid school Administrators to cope with their MoreRon status quo tunnel vision "identity crisis," putting the re-emphasis back on the Springboro Education Association's protests AGAINST our children first!

Wake up people! If Charles Anderson and Ron Malone will only listen to Todd Petrey's recommendations from his SEA staff in the board room, then who is representing our school children and community stakeholders?

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