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Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31663 Jul 10, 2014
Celebrating PROFICIENCY means that one believes attaining 34%-56% of the material in math is good enough.

PROFICIENT is defined by the state on the 7th grade math portion of the Ohio Achievement Assessment test as getting 34%- 56% of the test correct.

34%- 56% on the OAA math test for 7th grade makes a student PROFICIENT.

217 students in the 7th grade scored below 56% on the test.

217 students out of 508 in the class of 2018 score below 56% on the OAA test.

Results like this can only be achieved by a system that is failing to prepare children each year for the succeeding year. It is not a failure of one teacher at the junior high, but a systemic failure that is not properly teaching our children at each stage earlier in the process.

Spending millions of dollars on new teaching tools will not change the outcome of this program if the same teachers are still not successfully able to teach the curriculum that exists today.

Math does not change. 2+2=4, always has and always will equal 4, no matter how fancy or how much money you wish to spend to present that basic fact.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31664 Jul 10, 2014
Where Is Accountability wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is to "blame" for us having Petrey, except our school superintendent, Todd Petrey.
where IS accountability wrote:
<quoted text>
WTF ?!?
So much for that long-held right-wing position that liberals corner the market when it comes to white-washing history!!
Only the individual can define him or her self, what someone decides for themselves to become is left to them and only them.

I believe it was a rhetorical allusion, not a literal reference.
Not One Voice

Springfield, OH

#31666 Jul 10, 2014
No One is Representing the Children in our SEA union controlled board room of Anderson/Malone/Stuckey majority members and our school district staff led by Todd Petrey, superintendent of schools.

Everyone always says, "It's about the kids," but in reality, policy too often has little to do with children or their well-being. The focus always seems to come down to adults and institutions doing what they do best -- protecting their status quo. Of course organizations advocate for their members. That's to be expected. The real problem is that no one is representing children.....

One thing I have learned over the past year on the State Board of Education is that education is mostly about power and money and who gets to control both. As a result, objections to new policies are marked by cries that change is unfair or bad for "our members." Rarely do we hear a policy discussion start with protestations that something is simply "not good for kids."

(see website article by Thomas W. Gunlock, member of the State Board of Education)
www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2...
inquiring minds

Springfield, OH

#31667 Jul 10, 2014
Not One Voice wrote:
No One is Representing the Children in our SEA union controlled board room of Anderson/Malone/Stuckey majority members and our school district staff led by Todd Petrey, superintendent of schools.
Everyone always says, "It's about the kids," but in reality, policy too often has little to do with children or their well-being. The focus always seems to come down to adults and institutions doing what they do best -- protecting their status quo. Of course organizations advocate for their members. That's to be expected. The real problem is that no one is representing children.....
One thing I have learned over the past year on the State Board of Education is that education is mostly about power and money and who gets to control both. As a result, objections to new policies are marked by cries that change is unfair or bad for "our members." Rarely do we hear a policy discussion start with protestations that something is simply "not good for kids."
(see website article by Thomas W. Gunlock, member of the State Board of Education)
www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2...
What is it that compels you to be so consistently and blatantly outspoken on this this topix thread, while never venturing to walk forward to voice these same opinions at the BOE podium? Could the reason be BOE meetings intimidate you?
Let Freedom Ring

Springfield, OH

#31668 Jul 10, 2014
Why was post #31665 Community Engagement opinion deleted from Topix?

Here is the invitation of Todd Petrey's Many Voices Project school community meetings that are posted to the public:

"While we all agree public education is important to our community, that idea means something different to everyone. Public schools belong to the community, and we are inviting you to consider the big picture about education's role in our community and how the schools can better serve all residents. In this process, everyone will get a chance to speak, be understood, and be a part of creating a long-range vision for our school district."

Guess Freedom of speech on this Topix, and the chance to be understood now comes with a price tag of Jeff Stec's $12,000 contract as outside facilitator, and the Many Voices of Opposition to our union controlled Board of Education majority members are being ignored by our board president, Charles Anderson.
Waste Watchers

Springfield, OH

#31669 Jul 10, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Celebrating PROFICIENCY means that one believes attaining 34%-56% of the material in math is good enough.
PROFICIENT is defined by the state on the 7th grade math portion of the Ohio Achievement Assessment test as getting 34%- 56% of the test correct.
34%- 56% on the OAA math test for 7th grade makes a student PROFICIENT.
217 students in the 7th grade scored below 56% on the test.
217 students out of 508 in the class of 2018 score below 56% on the OAA test.
Results like this can only be achieved by a system that is failing to prepare children each year for the succeeding year. It is not a failure of one teacher at the junior high, but a systemic failure that is not properly teaching our children at each stage earlier in the process.
Spending millions of dollars on new teaching tools will not change the outcome of this program if the same teachers are still not successfully able to teach the curriculum that exists today.
Math does not change. 2+2=4, always has and always will equal 4, no matter how fancy or how much money you wish to spend to present that basic fact.
Our school superintendent is fond of telling the NFSS pro-levy team to just go about the Boro, telling about how Wonderful are our professional educators; and the levies will take care of themselves; but it is found that there is little connection between teacher pay
and performance. Why Waste Your Money voting Yes on New Levies?
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/2013/06/17gra...
One Voice Many Concerns

Springfield, OH

#31672 Jul 11, 2014
Waste Watchers wrote:
<quoted text>
Our school superintendent is fond of telling the NFSS pro-levy team to just go about the Boro, telling about how Wonderful are our professional educators; and the levies will take care of themselves; but it is found that there is little connection between teacher pay
and performance. Why Waste Your Money voting Yes on New Levies?
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/2013/06/17gra...
Todd Petrey is also fond of telling his staff that we are a wealthy community and that we have to pay our school employees more money to keep them from going to other school districts that pay more; but Todd Petrey does not know how to lead our school district successfully without hurting others.

Mr. Petrey intercedes email questions to our Board of Education elected officials, and uses the power of his ONE voice as highest paid school employee ever to ridicule Springboro residents and answers emails sent to the Board, in his defense of Ron Malone's March 2012 protest rally against Board Authority, in which Ron Malone (as SHS principal) led our students to violate their own student code of behavior which dictates RESPECT for school authority. Ms. Terrah Floyd, who is employed as Treasurer, often joins Mr. Petrey and other staff members in ridiculing the email questions to the Board president regarding important school district issues (which affect all Springboro Stakeholders) such as Policy and Budget/Finance.

Mr. Petrey has successfully taken back our Children First Budgeting Vision of Reform and put the Renewed emphasis back on maintaining Union First status quo..... but after only six months of working under the leadership of our union controlled board majority members Charles Anderson, Ron Malone, and David Stuckey...... Inquiring minds are asking can we really afford Todd Petrey's Success for Union First, at such cost of sacrificing our Children First budgeting progress made during the two years of fiscal conservative majority board members?
Not One Voice

Springfield, OH

#31673 Jul 11, 2014
No One is Representing the Children in our SEA union controlled board room of Anderson/Malone/Stuckey majority members and our school district staff led by Todd Petrey, superintendent of schools.

Everyone always says, "It's about the kids," but in reality, policy too often has little to do with children or their well-being. The focus always seems to come down to adults and institutions doing what they do best -- protecting their status quo. Of course organizations advocate for their members. That's to be expected. The real problem is that no one is representing children.....

One thing I have learned over the past year on the State Board of Education is that education is mostly about power and money and who gets to control both. As a result, objections to new policies are marked by cries that change is unfair or bad for "our members." Rarely do we hear a policy discussion start with protestations that something is simply "not good for kids."

(see website article by Thomas W. Gunlock, member of the State Board of Education)
www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2 ...
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31675 Jul 11, 2014
To be considered a top tier student in the state of Ohio you need to score at least 72% on the Ohio Achievement Assessment test.

72% correct on the state math test is all it takes to become one of the top students in the state.

This is a basic 7th grade math test, there is no calculus, derivatives, trigonometry, or any other higher level of math on this test.

It comprises all of the material one would have expected a 7th grader to have learned up to that point in their education.

72% is all it takes to become a top student.

That bar is unacceptably low for this community.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31676 Jul 11, 2014
Anyone watch the Mason school district union negotiations, they seem remarkably familiar.

Step 1) Union files Unfair Labor Practices lawsuit
Step 2) Have Union membership votes to authorize strike
Step 3) Decry any changes as compromising program and harming children by the cold hearted and money grubbing administration and school board.
Step 4) Cry poverty and abuse by school district, have uninformed parents come out to demand somebody else give the teachers more money and benefits.
Step 5) Watch school district cave, get standard raise in pay and benefits across the board regardless of performance, see no changes.
Step 6) Wash and repeat.
Let Freedom Ring

Springfield, OH

#31678 Jul 11, 2014
Read this before Topix deletes this. Wonder why this blog is censored?

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/2013/06/17gra...
Is anyone surprised that within this analysis of state data it is shown that teachers who received the lowest grade in a key aspect of teacher performance known as value-added are paid more on average than teachers who earned the highest grade?

Doesn't it appear that the way Ohio schools determine teachers' salaries has nothing to do with how well they teach; but how long they've been teaching and whether they have a master's degree? Doesn't longevity and automatic pay increases have everything to do with increased union dues, from which local, state, and national political leaders benefit greatly
in their re-election campaigns? Doesn't this make it almost impossible for an opponent to match campaign funding from the private sector (which is needed in order to run a competitive election campaign)?

Why is it that our state refuses to address this problem of collective bargaining rights which our school and government workers use to emotionally blackmail taxpayers into voting increased local taxes?

Could it be because Ohio's career politicians of all political parties are the only Ohioans who financially benefit from this political system of forced unionization? Could union controlled elected officials' big financial gains, by maintaining status quo, be the Real stumbling block between job/economic growth and freedom from forced unionization in the Ohio workplace?
tongue in cheek

Springfield, OH

#31679 Jul 11, 2014
Let Freedom Ring wrote:
Why was post #31665 Community Engagement opinion deleted from Topix?
Well, I guess the jig's finally up. At some point, Dr. Baker's going to have to come forward to reveal this part time moonlighting as internet website administrator.
lol

Springfield, OH

#31680 Jul 11, 2014
.... could be that old Dr. Malone is on the topix job and he just d-o-z-e-d off as he often did on the job as SHS principal....

or being true to his school, perhaps he hid post #31670 & post #31671
in his desk drawer, which was his habit of ignoring and hiding, costly school documents such as the Warren County ESC Review of SHS Program of Studies and Master Schedule.
minutiae

Springfield, OH

#31681 Jul 12, 2014
lol wrote:
.... could be that old Dr. Malone is on the topix job and he just d-o-z-e-d off as he often did on the job as SHS principal....
or being true to his school, perhaps he hid post #31670 & post #31671
in his desk drawer, which was his habit of ignoring and hiding, costly school documents such as the Warren County ESC Review of SHS Program of Studies and Master Schedule.
All this is water under the bridge. Now it's time to look at the bigger, national picture.
The Obama administration recently has turned a blind eye toward tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of illegals moving freely across the Mexican border into California. Sooner rather than later, they'll be showing up here in Warren county. Certainly, they'll be looking for "free" public education for their children.
Master of manipulation

Springfield, OH

#31683 Jul 12, 2014
lol wrote:
.... could be that old Dr. Malone is on the topix job and he just d-o-z-e-d off as he often did on the job as SHS principal....
or being true to his school, perhaps he hid post #31670 & post #31671
in his desk drawer, which was his habit of ignoring and hiding, costly school documents such as the Warren County ESC Review of SHS Program of Studies and Master Schedule.
What a legacy. The former SHS principals inability to reveal vital documentation is only rivaled by his "insane popularity" amongst brainwashed student body
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31684 Jul 13, 2014
The administration must not care for my recounting and interpretation of the Class of 2018's Ohio Achievement Assessment math test results.

I know this because they keep deleting the information from this blog.

Why would they not want to inform people the true nature of the education they are providing?

That PROFICIENT equals failure on these assessment test is no surprise when people are made aware that 34%-56% is what the state uses to demonstrate PROFICIENT on the math test.

176 7th graders at our junior high scored between 34-56% and were deemed PROFICIENT last year.

Ask a teacher or administrator if that is really as good as we can do?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31685 Jul 13, 2014
Will the administration or school board delete this posting again?

The posting concerns the number of students who fail to score at least 75% on the Ohio Achievement Assessment math test for 7th graders.

The answer is 3 out of 4 children scored below 75%.

3 out of 4 children scored below 75% on the state standardized math test for the 7th grade.

Why do they keep deleting the posting of those results?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31687 Jul 13, 2014
The previous post should contain the raw scores of our tests, if not it has once again been deleted.

The posting of the scores and what we have achieved in Springboro given our resources and facilities that the taxpayers have provided should be a cause for celebration.

Instead it appears it is a cause for censorship.

We had 282 students score below 63% on the state standardized math test in the 7th grade.

Anybody want to get up and cheer those numbers?

This is not a one time anomaly, it has been going on for about a decade as is demonstrated by the state records.

In third grade we have about 70% of the kids scoring above 75%.

By 7th grade that number is 23% of the kids scoring above 75%.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#31689 Jul 13, 2014
We seem to be missing post #31686 what could have happened to it once again?

Does anyone wish to refute its conclusions?
lol

Springfield, OH

#31692 Jul 13, 2014
Just Wondering wrote:
What about #31670, 31671, 31675, 31677, 31682, 31686, 31688?
Who is that Anonymous stealth one, creating random acts of wiping out the Truth throughout this Topix community blog?

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