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thats ok

Springboro, OH

#30903 Mar 7, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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You may have received emails from Educate Springboro that challenged your belief system, but ES did not violate privacy laws by taking your private information from a public computer to be used for political purposes.
Support Ms. Wray all you like, it will not change the fact that she violated privacy protection laws.
So, of course, because Doug's buddies sent unwarranted emails....that makes it ok, whether it was illegal or not.

And how do we know ES didn't violate privacy laws - no one will ever say how they obtained the email addresses. Just because you say so?
This One Thing

Springfield, OH

#30904 Mar 7, 2014
thats ok wrote:
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So, of course, because Doug's buddies sent unwarranted emails....that makes it ok, whether it was illegal or not.
And how do we know ES didn't violate privacy laws - no one will ever say how they obtained the email addresses. Just because you say so?
This One thing we DO know is that ES emails gave the recipients the choice to unsubscribe;
permanently REMOVING their names from the ES email list; isn't this the usual legal practice of moving information through the masses on the internet highway?

This One thing we DO know is that this one union classroom teacher in Springboro schools, Molly Wray, did violate our Springboro students privacy rights; did use the students emails to further her personal interest in the November 2013 MSA school board election campaign;
which resulted in successfully electing TWO RETIRED SPRINGBORO EDUCATORS, Ron Malone and David Stuckey, to the Springboro School Board of Education.
thats ok

Springboro, OH

#30905 Mar 7, 2014
This One Thing wrote:
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This One thing we DO know is that ES emails gave the recipients the choice to unsubscribe;
permanently REMOVING their names from the ES email list; isn't this the usual legal practice of moving information through the masses on the internet highway?
This One thing we DO know is that this one union classroom teacher in Springboro schools, Molly Wray, did violate our Springboro students privacy rights; did use the students emails to further her personal interest in the November 2013 MSA school board election campaign;
which resulted in successfully electing TWO RETIRED SPRINGBORO EDUCATORS, Ron Malone and David Stuckey, to the Springboro School Board of Education.
That's all well and good that they allowed people to unsubscribe.....and kudos to them for that, but the fact and unanswered question remains....how did ES get the email addresses in the first place? Others are quick to implicate Ms. Wray, but no one will answer the question about ES and their email list. hmmm......as the old saying goes....those that throw rocks.....
thats ok

Springboro, OH

#30906 Mar 7, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Negative on the only one question you asked.
Wow Wow Wow wrote:

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I thought the old board hired Tracey Jarvis?
Also, where did Educate Springboro get all of their email address? Some how I signed up for the principal update and Educate Springboro started sending me their emails as well?
Doug, will you please answer these two questions?

I was not an English Major, but I think my elementary school children would know that, "Where did Educate Springboro get all of their email addresses?" would be defined as a question. So, since a second question was clearly asked, can you elaborate on an answer?
This One Thing

Springfield, OH

#30907 Mar 7, 2014
thats ok wrote:
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Wow Wow Wow wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought the old board hired Tracey Jarvis?
Also, where did Educate Springboro get all of their email address? Some how I signed up for the principal update and Educate Springboro started sending me their emails as well?
Doug, will you please answer these two questions?
I was not an English Major, but I think my elementary school children would know that, "Where did Educate Springboro get all of their email addresses?" would be defined as a question. So, since a second question was clearly asked, can you elaborate on an answer?
This One Thing that Molly Wray has done is ILLEGAL, and already proven.
It's not ok nor wow wow wow to try distracting from school teacher Molly Wray's
bad girl behavior in favor of MSA; by this questioning of the credibility of Educate Springboro,
in a most unfavorable way.

No matter how much the truth hurts Molly Wray; This One Thing is true..........
that this one thing of illegal behavior is all about bad choices made only by Molly Wray.
Springboro families put their trust in Molly Wray to do the right thing; but Molly Wray
chose to betray this trust; in her self-interest illegal actions in her zeal to promote the school board campaign of MSA (including two retired educators - Ron Malone and David Stuckey).

It is already proven that this school district leadership has the "legal" rights to
slap a Six Month Bad Girl note in her employment records, soon to be discarded and
forgotten by the MSA/SEA, but never forgotten by the Springboro citizens who have
concern about the future reputation of our schools and community; how will this
reputation of Springboro schools be spinning through social media, as this Mollygate
is thrown wide open for all the world to see; and then becomes another dark cloud swirling within the true history of Springboro schools professional educators..... It's just not ok;
nor is it as golden as you have been led to believe.
Private not public

Lebanon, OH

#30908 Mar 7, 2014
thats ok wrote:
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So, of course, because Doug's buddies sent unwarranted emails....that makes it ok, whether it was illegal or not.
And how do we know ES didn't violate privacy laws - no one will ever say how they obtained the email addresses. Just because you say so?
We seem to know that Molly Wray exploited private information collected by the school system for political purposes. From what I read earlier that is a violation of Ohio law, it does not matter where ES obtained their email lists, it does not lessen what Molly did.
Good Golly

Springfield, OH

#30909 Mar 7, 2014
Enough wrote:
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I received unwanted emails from educate Springboro!!! I support Molly 100%!! I know I am in the majority!! Take a survey and find out!
Good Golly Miss Molly!!! Why Not Pay It Forward With a Random Act of Kindness extending
into the community???

Be True To Your School and Schedule a Press Release with our School Superintendent, Acknowledge your wrong doing, publicly accept your slap on the wrist punishment, apologize to the Community for committing this crime, and then PRAY
FOR SOME GRACE .... from this community that you have intentionally harmed!
HH Resident

Cincinnati, OH

#30910 Mar 7, 2014
Springboro Fight Club wrote:
The first rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club!
http://www.wlwt.com/news/teen-accused-of-part...
Notice how the pukes in this thread don't care about the fight
thats ok

Springboro, OH

#30911 Mar 7, 2014
Private not public wrote:
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We seem to know that Molly Wray exploited private information collected by the school system for political purposes. From what I read earlier that is a violation of Ohio law, it does not matter where ES obtained their email lists, it does not lessen what Molly did.
Not saying anything about "lessening" where Ms. Wray supposedly got her list. And It doesn't matter where ES got their list? What if ES got their email addresses the exact same way as Ms. Wray supposedly did, that is not illegal as well?
Good Golly

Springfield, OH

#30912 Mar 7, 2014
thats ok wrote:
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Not saying anything about "lessening" where Ms. Wray supposedly got her list. And It doesn't matter where ES got their list? What if ES got their email addresses the exact same way as Ms. Wray supposedly did, that is not illegal as well?
Good Golly Miss Molly! No supposedly about it!

Springboro school teacher betrayed the trust of Springboro families who would never have
thought that Molly Wray would have chosen to violate the laws set up to protect our students
privacy; but that is exactly what Molly Wray did! And that is 100% illegal.

Where is Molly Wray's moral authority to hold her students accountable to respect the authority of the laws, which is the foundation on which good citizenship is built upon?
thats ok

Springboro, OH

#30913 Mar 7, 2014
Good Golly wrote:
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Good Golly Miss Molly! No supposedly about it!
Springboro school teacher betrayed the trust of Springboro families who would never have
thought that Molly Wray would have chosen to violate the laws set up to protect our students
privacy; but that is exactly what Molly Wray did! And that is 100% illegal.
Where is Molly Wray's moral authority to hold her students accountable to respect the authority of the laws, which is the foundation on which good citizenship is built upon?
And of course, no answer to the question of where ES got their email address list. Typical! Divert, demean, deflect.
Enough already

United States

#30914 Mar 7, 2014
Your inflammatory language regarding Molly Wray is getting pretty annoying. You're seriously making it sound like a presidential election scandal. She encouraged kids to get out and vote. Good for her! You guys are just bitter that students voting at the polls were more often than not votes against your side. Get over it. Mrs. Wray has proven herself to be a quality educator for many years. Did she screw up? Maybe.(What law did she break? I'm not arguing that point, but I am curious.). Anyway, maybe she screwed up, but on the continuum of screw-ups, it's very low and certainly does not negate her many years of positively impacting students. So enough already. Move on and pick a new target. But for God's sake, at least quit repeating yourself.

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Springfield, OH

#30915 Mar 7, 2014
This One Thing wrote:
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This One Thing that Molly Wray has done is ILLEGAL, and already proven.
It's not ok nor wow wow wow to try distracting from school teacher Molly Wray's
bad girl behavior in favor of MSA; by this questioning of the credibility of Educate Springboro,
in a most unfavorable way.
No matter how much the truth hurts Molly Wray; This One Thing is true..........
that this one thing of illegal behavior is all about bad choices made only by Molly Wray.
Springboro families put their trust in Molly Wray to do the right thing; but Molly Wray
chose to betray this trust; in her self-interest illegal actions in her zeal to promote the school board campaign of MSA (including two retired educators - Ron Malone and David Stuckey).
It is already proven that this school district leadership has the "legal" rights to
slap a Six Month Bad Girl note in her employment records, soon to be discarded and
forgotten by the MSA/SEA, but never forgotten by the Springboro citizens who have
concern about the future reputation of our schools and community; how will this
reputation of Springboro schools be spinning through social media, as this Mollygate
is thrown wide open for all the world to see; and then becomes another dark cloud swirling within the true history of Springboro schools professional educators..... It's just not ok;
nor is it as golden as you have been led to believe.
Worth Repeating; but Never Forgotten!
Say It Again

Springfield, OH

#30916 Mar 7, 2014
Enough already wrote:
Your inflammatory language regarding Molly Wray is getting pretty annoying. You're seriously making it sound like a presidential election scandal. She encouraged kids to get out and vote. Good for her! You guys are just bitter that students voting at the polls were more often than not votes against your side. Get over it. Mrs. Wray has proven herself to be a quality educator for many years. Did she screw up? Maybe.(What law did she break? I'm not arguing that point, but I am curious.). Anyway, maybe she screwed up, but on the continuum of screw-ups, it's very low and certainly does not negate her many years of positively impacting students. So enough already. Move on and pick a new target. But for God's sake, at least quit repeating yourself.
There's just no way for Molly Wray. who has proven herself to be a quality educator for many years to do our students wrong, the right way, for MSA, not even way down low in the Boro.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30917 Mar 7, 2014
thats ok wrote:
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Not saying anything about "lessening" where Ms. Wray supposedly got her list. And It doesn't matter where ES got their list? What if ES got their email addresses the exact same way as Ms. Wray supposedly did, that is not illegal as well?
With as much publicity that privacy laws get these days it is hard to imagine that Ms Wray somehow missed all of that news coverage.

Attempting to deflect attention away from Ms. Wray by attempting to insinuate "everybody else does it".(which is clearly untrue) seems eerily familiar to anyone who listened to the coaches defend their taking of money from the children and putting it into their private bank accounts.

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Just Curious

Springfield, OH

#30918 Mar 9, 2014
Todd n Tammy levy set up wrote:
Attn Boro Teachers!
Here you go... with the Todd & Tammy dog & pony youtube show!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =86Yud2M5el4XX&feature=you tu.be
Community involvement? Call / email superintendent Petrey to ask him how that works. He may respond by saying the recent appointment of S. Bindeman (a habitually verbally abrasive individual) to the District Policy Committee is all about working to institute a higher threshold of "community involvement".
If "community involvement" is so important, why are Boro district administrators hell bent on spending $12,000 to hire an outside firm to come here and ask us what we want? Isn't better communication with the community part of the reason we take time out of our life to cast ballots to select what we individually believe to be the best board members? Isn't better communication with the community part of the reason there's an aduous screening process in place to hire the right people to be administrators in this, as well as other school districts? I suspect any one of Boro's administrators are capable of responsibly answering questions from members of this community... provided their professional opinions aren't effectively jaded by the everpresent influence of union-types in the OSBA and SEA.
@above quote:
"He may respond by saying the recent appointment of S. Bindeman (a habitually verbally abrasive individual) to the District Policy Committee is all about working to institute a higher threshold of "community involvement."

Action speaks louder than words. Isn't this recent appointment to District Policy Committee all about working to "dumbdown" the threshold of community involvement; yielding control of both power and money, way down low in Boro to the greedy hands of the SEA?
thats ok

Springboro, OH

#30919 Mar 10, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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With as much publicity that privacy laws get these days it is hard to imagine that Ms Wray somehow missed all of that news coverage.
Attempting to deflect attention away from Ms. Wray by attempting to insinuate "everybody else does it".(which is clearly untrue) seems eerily familiar to anyone who listened to the coaches defend their taking of money from the children and putting it into their private bank accounts.
If it is "clearly untrue" - prove it. Where did ES get their list?

And talk about deflection. We go from discussing email lists to you talking about the coaches. Deflection? You are the master.
honestabe

Cleveland, OH

#30920 Mar 10, 2014
All I can say is that I have known LAMB & WADE for a long time and their goal is to get as much out of the taxpayers as they can while saying things like "I am there for you." I am sorry but they BOTH are sheep is WOLFS clothing and they need to leave. Look at the facts.

In the past year, WADE & LAMB allowed the fire chief to place a 4.5 mil levy to the voters of Springboro and Clearcreek Township – this with a reserve of seven million dollars in the bank. In my opinion, the trustees, administrators, and fire chief act as charlatans. Their demeanor is palter. They fabricate to save their own careers and this behavior must end.

Over the past few years, Clearcreek Township has made the headlines, and not in a positive manner. Issues of a trustee selling insurance to the township employees,(a OHIO ETHICS VIOLATION), WADE purchasing property with TAXPAYERS money for a new park, while lining his friends pocket with over a million dollars of TAXPAYERS money and not completing the Patricia Allen Park, a police officer fired for following orders and the trustees paying over $90,000 for their defense to fire him, failed policies in the fire department and even closing a fire station, an assistant fire chief accused of identity theft,(A FELONY) and the trustees being charged with violating the Ohio Open Public Meeting act, which they are currently having to defend with taxpayers funds.

It is time to do some real soul searching and look past the LAMB & WADEs pseudo platform.

You have to ask yourself – has WADE & LAMB lost their moral compass? Are they really looking out for your best interest?

Why is PICKETT forced to leave? Can he not protect WADE anymore?
Seems simple to me

Lebanon, OH

#30921 Mar 10, 2014
thats ok wrote:
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If it is "clearly untrue" - prove it. Where did ES get their list?
And talk about deflection. We go from discussing email lists to you talking about the coaches. Deflection? You are the master.
You might want to ask them if you really want the answer. Doug's transition seemed natural enough to me and made sense, the "everybody does it" defense is getting kind of scary if you ask me. I am beginning to smell a pattern of corruption that is running through the district.
Not A Chance

Springfield, OH

#30922 Mar 10, 2014
thats ok wrote:
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If it is "clearly untrue" - prove it. Where did ES get their list?
And talk about deflection. We go from discussing email lists to you talking about the coaches. Deflection? You are the master.
Not A Chance "thats ok" to try this deflection of Molly Wray's illegal behavior and poor judgment as a Springboro professional educator; as shown in the above post by "thats ok" masterfully pointing fingers at others, demanding proof on innocence when no wrong doing has occurred!

Not A Chance thats ok for Springboro school teacher Molly Wray to get away with violating our students privacy rights; and with no consequences of this illegal behavior other than putting a note in her personnel file for six months only; and then expect concerned citizens to just shut up, forget about and move on!

Not A Chance thats ok to deflect from Molly Wray's illegal behavior and poor judgment as a professional educator by trying to point fingers at others who have done nothing illegal.

Not a Chance that the truth of proof of Molly Wray's wrongdoing against our students will not continue spreading throughout this community during this next year as our school district has hired an OSBA facilitator (charging Springboro Taxpayers $1000/per month) forming focus groups to find out "where are the values of the beliefs of Springboro Taxpayers?"

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