Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30787 Feb 26, 2014
Very interesting about what happens in Centerville, last time I checked however, we live in Springboro.

It matters not a bit what they do in other districts, this is like the people who say our abysmal math scores for our 8th graders taking the Ohio Achievement Assessment test are much better than kids in Youngstown.
As if scoring marginally better than some other failing district is a great coup.

The fact remains 4 out of 5 kids taking the OAA 8th grade math test score 75% and below. 4 out of 5 kids get D's or F's and according to the state archives this has been going on for the past decade.

The only place where we have the ability to impact test score outcomes in in our own back yard. We cannot control what occurs outside of our area of jurisdiction, but we can do something about our own issues.

What Centerville does or does not do has no bearing on what we choose do to in our community. The taxpayers of Springboro have no say in the operations in Centerville, just as the people in Centerville have no say in Springboro's choices.

To make arguments that the all of the other schools get to do it, is much like arguing with your young children.

Like Mom used to say, she did not care what other parents did, that was their choice and none of her business, but she did have a say over what her kids were going to do.
Show me the money

Lebanon, OH

#30788 Feb 26, 2014
If all the Centerville Board Members jumped off a bridge, would all the Springboro Board Member jump too?
jasper

Dayton, OH

#30789 Feb 26, 2014
Show me the money wrote:
If all the Centerville Board Members jumped off a bridge, would all the Springboro Board Member jump too?
and Centerville has ALWAYS passed every school levy put on the ballot. I prefer being poor in Springboro..:)
accountability

Springboro, OH

#30790 Feb 26, 2014
At springboro.org see agenda item 3.4 for tomorrow night's (Feb. 27) meeting

Approval of Five Year Forecast Consulting Agreement

OSBA consulting services....$1000 PER MONTH for the next FIVE YEARS, plus travel and printing expenses as applicable.

Additional add-on training and consulting services - Each session $960 plus expenses, if applicable.

Consulting services for OSBA member school district, Springboro Community City School District, effective February 24, 2014, in the areas of forecast comparison, analysis, and custom deliverables regarding school district financial forecast.

__________

In the 60+ years since its inception, the Ohio School Board Association (OSBA) has continually corrupted itself. In the past it was an organization that legitimately existed to help children's education. Not any more. In 2014 the OSBA exists primarily as a lobbying arm to further the interests of the OEA.

Public Finance Resources, Inc,(a puppet organization designed to further OEA union interests) will "provide" the district's CFO:

1) Update of PFR's financial forecast software to reflect District's modeled revenue and expenditures...(we already have the IS nerds on staff)

2) Udpate the District's forecasting for May 2014 submission...(this district does not require outside help to do this)

3) Analyze and report on the district's monthly cash flow for the 4 month period March 1, 2014 through June 30, 2014 (even R.Malone can probably handle this)

4) Prepare financial forecasting data for ratings presentations (Mr. Petroni has done this eloquently for two years. Why waste budget capital that could be going for the direct benefit of student education?)

5) Review with the District's CFO the District's current financial forecast and assumptions (we already have an understanding of this)
a. Real Estate collections - collection rate, split and delinquencies
b. State funding, including District's enrollment estimates / EMIS estimation
c. All other revenue sources
d. Salaries and benefits - build detailed note sections in model
e. Purchased services

6) "What-if" scenario planning and analysis
a. Revenue source changes (we already have a handle on this)
b. Budget considerations developed by district

7) On-site forecast software training and tips (we already have this)

8) Education and informal presentations to board members, administrative team, and/or community about the financial forecast

HEY! WAIT Ron Malone! Before you vote Thursday evening to spend $60,000+ of our money over the next 5 years, isn't the OSBA package the sort of stuff you should have had a handle on before you decided to run for school board? Oh, that's right. I almost forgot. You ran for school board on the Popularity ticket. No practical know-how is necessary there.

Through property taxes, taxpayers in Springboro Schools will be paying OSBA an unneccessary $1000 / month + expenses to come here and systematically brainwash this members of this community into believing we should buy into a list of perceived "necessities" that are gradually being brought to the table by the likes of habitual tax-and-spenders suchs like Babb and Bindemann. In short, Malone et al want the left-leaning OSBA consultants here in order to promote Malone and Maney's agenda, which is to waste money on stufff like salaries for elective classes that rarely reach anything closr to capacity and useless $1000 / month / 5 year OSBA consulting contract fees.

Long before this district's budget is prematurely depleted, the OSBA "consultant" will have sold Malone's and the SEA's agenda to this community in the form of creating false pressure for an "additional" levy. Remember: additional millage WILL NOT be needed if this district's board members, like the last 4 years, remain evenly accountable to the ENTIRE community they serve.
Current Events

Springboro, OH

#30791 Feb 26, 2014
Show me the money wrote:
If all the Centerville Board Members jumped off a bridge, would all the Springboro Board Member jump too?
If insanely popular, Ron Malone, who has been a SHS principal for the PAST thirteen years and elected board representative on name recognition of being beloved by his students,
then pressured his employee, the school superintendent, to ask for approval of the OSBA Five Year Forecast Consulting Agreement to promote fake budget crisis and tax increases in Springboro, will all the Springboro Board Members jump to rubber stamp Mr. Petrey's
proposed waste of our school tax dollars?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30792 Feb 26, 2014
If we as a community thought just a year ago that investigating the benefits of a charter school in our community was a magnificent waste of $15,000, why are we entering into a continual, open ended contract that will ultimately cost us countless thousands of dollars more each and every year?

And secondly, why does the union dominated OSBA refuse to reveal the entirety of the contract before the people?

That includes the necessary subcontracts we would also enjoy.

What are they hiding by refusing to release this information?

I do not know of many well run operations that sign contracts that are not fully revealed, why would we?

Trust, but verify.

Trust, but verify.
Loss of Local Control

Springboro, OH

#30793 Feb 26, 2014
accountability wrote:
At springboro.org see agenda item 3.4 for tomorrow night's (Feb. 27) meeting
Approval of Five Year Forecast Consulting Agreement
OSBA consulting services....$1000 PER MONTH for the next FIVE YEARS, plus travel and printing expenses as applicable.
Additional add-on training and consulting services - Each session $960 plus expenses, if applicable.
Consulting services for OSBA member school district, Springboro Community City School District, effective February 24, 2014, in the areas of forecast comparison, analysis, and custom deliverables regarding school district financial forecast.
__________
In the 60+ years since its inception, the Ohio School Board Association (OSBA) has continually corrupted itself. In the past it was an organization that legitimately existed to help children's education. Not any more. In 2014 the OSBA exists primarily as a lobbying arm to further the interests of the OEA.
Public Finance Resources, Inc,(a puppet organization designed to further OEA union interests) will "provide" the district's CFO:
1) Update of PFR's financial forecast software to reflect District's modeled revenue and expenditures...(we already have the IS nerds on staff)
2) Udpate the District's forecasting for May 2014 submission...(this district does not require outside help to do this)
3) Analyze and report on the district's monthly cash flow for the 4 month period March 1, 2014 through June 30, 2014 (even R.Malone can probably handle this)
4) Prepare financial forecasting data for ratings presentations (Mr. Petroni has done this eloquently for two years. Why waste budget capital that could be going for the direct benefit of student education?)
5) Review with the District's CFO the District's current financial forecast and assumptions (we already have an understanding of this)
a. Real Estate collections - collection rate, split and delinquencies
b. State funding, including District's enrollment estimates / EMIS estimation
c. All other revenue sources
d. Salaries and benefits - build detailed note sections in model
e. Purchased services
6) "What-if" scenario planning and analysis
a. Revenue source changes (we already have a handle on this)
b. Budget considerations developed by district
7) On-site forecast software training and tips (we already have this)
8) Education and informal presentations to board members, administrative team, and/or community about the financial forecast
HEY! WAIT Ron Malone! Before you vote Thursday evening to spend $60,000+ of our money over the next 5 years, isn't the OSBA package the sort of stuff you should have had a handle on before you decided to run for school board? Oh, that's right. I almost forgot. You ran for school board on the Popularity ticket. No practical know-how is necessary there.
Through property taxes, taxpayers in Springboro Schools will be paying OSBA an unneccessary $1000 / month + expenses to come here and systematically brainwash this members of this community into believing we should buy into a list of perceived "necessities" that are gradually being brought to the table by the likes of habitual tax-and-spenders suchs like Babb and Bindemann. In short, Malone et al want the left-leaning OSBA consultants here in order to promote Malone and Maney's agenda, which is to waste money on stufff like salaries for elective classes that rarely reach anything closr to capacity and useless $1000 / month / 5 year OSBA consulting contract fees.
Long before this district's budget is prematurely depleted, the OSBA "consultant" will have sold Malone's and the SEA's agenda to this community in the form of creating false pressure for an "additional" levy. Remember: additional millage WILL NOT be needed if this district's board members, like the last 4 years, remain evenly accountable to the ENTIRE community they serve.
Sounds like the OSBA is taking control from our locally elected board members; giving our school tax dollars to the SEA control.
Loss of Local Control

Springboro, OH

#30794 Feb 26, 2014
accountability wrote:
At springboro.org see agenda item 3.4 for tomorrow night's (Feb. 27) meeting
Approval of Five Year Forecast Consulting Agreement
OSBA consulting services....$1000 PER MONTH for the next FIVE YEARS, plus travel and printing expenses as applicable.
Additional add-on training and consulting services - Each session $960 plus expenses, if applicable.
Consulting services for OSBA member school district, Springboro Community City School District, effective February 24, 2014, in the areas of forecast comparison, analysis, and custom deliverables regarding school district financial forecast.
__________
In the 60+ years since its inception, the Ohio School Board Association (OSBA) has continually corrupted itself. In the past it was an organization that legitimately existed to help children's education. Not any more. In 2014 the OSBA exists primarily as a lobbying arm to further the interests of the OEA.
Public Finance Resources, Inc,(a puppet organization designed to further OEA union interests) will "provide" the district's CFO:
1) Update of PFR's financial forecast software to reflect District's modeled revenue and expenditures...(we already have the IS nerds on staff)
2) Udpate the District's forecasting for May 2014 submission...(this district does not require outside help to do this)
3) Analyze and report on the district's monthly cash flow for the 4 month period March 1, 2014 through June 30, 2014 (even R.Malone can probably handle this)
4) Prepare financial forecasting data for ratings presentations (Mr. Petroni has done this eloquently for two years. Why waste budget capital that could be going for the direct benefit of student education?)
5) Review with the District's CFO the District's current financial forecast and assumptions (we already have an understanding of this)
a. Real Estate collections - collection rate, split and delinquencies
b. State funding, including District's enrollment estimates / EMIS estimation
c. All other revenue sources
d. Salaries and benefits - build detailed note sections in model
e. Purchased services
6) "What-if" scenario planning and analysis
a. Revenue source changes (we already have a handle on this)
b. Budget considerations developed by district
7) On-site forecast software training and tips (we already have this)
8) Education and informal presentations to board members, administrative team, and/or community about the financial forecast
HEY! WAIT Ron Malone! Before you vote Thursday evening to spend $60,000+ of our money over the next 5 years, isn't the OSBA package the sort of stuff you should have had a handle on before you decided to run for school board? Oh, that's right. I almost forgot. You ran for school board on the Popularity ticket. No practical know-how is necessary there.
Through property taxes, taxpayers in Springboro Schools will be paying OSBA an unneccessary $1000 / month + expenses to come here and systematically brainwash this members of this community into believing we should buy into a list of perceived "necessities" that are gradually being brought to the table by the likes of habitual tax-and-spenders suchs like Babb and Bindemann. In short, Malone et al want the left-leaning OSBA consultants here in order to promote Malone and Maney's agenda, which is to waste money on stufff like salaries for elective classes that rarely reach anything closr to capacity and useless $1000 / month / 5 year OSBA consulting contract fees.
Long before this district's budget is prematurely depleted, the OSBA "consultant" will have sold Malone's and the SEA's agenda to this community in the form of creating false pressure for an "additional" levy. Remember: additional millage WILL NOT be needed if this district's board members, like the last 4 years, remain evenly accountable to the ENTIRE community they serve.
OSBA is taking control of local input and putting SEA in charge of using Superintendent
as their puppet, bring recommendations to BOE.
Super Sweet Surrender

Springboro, OH

#30796 Feb 27, 2014
Loss of Local Control wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like the OSBA is taking control from our locally elected board members; giving our school tax dollars to the SEA control.
How would a union controlled school board WASTE your school tax dollars at the
Springboro School Board Business Meeting, February 27, 2014, at 7:00 p.m.?

The Answer lies in re-instating "status quo" by the board president, Charles Anderson, Approval of the Ohio School Boards Association Five Year Forecast Consulting Agreement; an open contract for the OSBA to run an expensive New Levy Campaign for Increased taxes; costing Springboro families $1000 per month in consulting fees; for the Superintendent to meet with hand picked special interest groups to discover perceived unmet needs in our five year forecast; and then the Superintendent will be the only person who can make Staff recommendations to the BOE elected officials... and that is not a
good thing for the future of our school children and our community.

The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30797 Feb 27, 2014
Super Sweet Surrender wrote:
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How would a union controlled school board WASTE your school tax dollars at the
Springboro School Board Business Meeting, February 27, 2014, at 7:00 p.m.?
But spending $9,000 + on MLA for 3 months was a deal we should have taken?

At least this board is bringing something to the table MUCH cheaper (per month) and we actually get consultants who HAVE experience with schools.

MSA campaigned on rejoining OSBA. They weren't 'hiding' anything. Despite that (or maybe because of that) they won the election.

GET OVER IT.

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amazing

Dayton, OH

#30798 Feb 27, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
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But spending $9,000 + on MLA for 3 months was a deal we should have taken?
At least this board is bringing something to the table MUCH cheaper (per month) and we actually get consultants who HAVE experience with schools.
MSA campaigned on rejoining OSBA. They weren't 'hiding' anything. Despite that (or maybe because of that) they won the election.
GET OVER IT.
oh, consultants ? Who are probably only too glad to take our tax dollars, to reaffirm fears that stoke the money burning attitude of "our" new school board leaders...God help us, the new majority on the school board won't.
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30799 Feb 27, 2014
amazing wrote:
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oh, consultants ? Who are probably only too glad to take our tax dollars, to reaffirm fears that stoke the money burning attitude of "our" new school board leaders...God help us, the new majority on the school board won't.
I think someone needs a tissue...
Retired in Springboro

Springboro, OH

#30800 Feb 27, 2014
Wow! After reading comments on a Springboro FB page from "Mary Jane" and "The Morrisons," it's no wonder why the Community seems to be decided.

Their petty and derisive comments remind me of school children engaging in name-calling theatrics.

Many of us aren't happy with the recent School Board election results. And many are! But it's no reason to act so shamelessly with the name-calling and finger-pointing, which appears what I am doing myself. Maybe it's contagious.

I certainly hope not.
Get Real

Springboro, OH

#30801 Feb 27, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
But spending $9,000 + on MLA for 3 months was a deal we should have taken?
At least this board is bringing something to the table MUCH cheaper (per month) and we actually get consultants who HAVE experience with schools.
MSA campaigned on rejoining OSBA. They weren't 'hiding' anything. Despite that (or maybe because of that) they won the election.
GET OVER IT.
You underestimate the intelligience of your MSA voters -- just isn't possible that they knew
that were voting for Mr. Anderson to vote wasting $60,000 of our money to run another Levy campaign for Increased Taxes! This division that the Board President is causing in the board room will take attention off Mr. Petrey's agenda of highest academic achievement for all students; and he will be consumed with running the Baker-style Increaased taxes campaign against Springboro families; until just like former superintendents, Petrey will have Springboro families turn against him and start opposing his leadership. Not a win-win
for the school community of employees nor the community of Springboro taxpayers;
we will all suffer the most for the least of these MSA extremists.
amazing

Dayton, OH

#30802 Feb 27, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
I think someone needs a tissue...
good, so instead of wasting my money on tissues, you can pay my share of the increased taxes coming...your type keep me energized.
reality

Springboro, OH

#30803 Feb 27, 2014
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
You underestimate the intelligience of your MSA voters -- just isn't possible that they knew
that were voting for Mr. Anderson to vote wasting $60,000 of our money to run another Levy campaign for Increased Taxes! This division that the Board President is causing in the board room will take attention off Mr. Petrey's agenda of highest academic achievement for all students; and he will be consumed with running the Baker-style Increaased taxes campaign against Springboro families; until just like former superintendents, Petrey will have Springboro families turn against him and start opposing his leadership. Not a win-win
for the school community of employees nor the community of Springboro taxpayers;
we will all suffer the most for the least of these MSA extremists.
That "change" can already be seen in Todd Petrey.
The progress, improvement, and balanced budget in our district is quickly being nullified by MSA's hidden campaign agenda of giving the SEA everything it wants.
So, as a community, we're back where we were 8 years ago.
Don't be suprised if you begin seeing Todd Petrey's face above lots of demeaning DDN Neighbors columns... a la 2007 Dr. David Baker.
Bravo

Dayton, OH

#30804 Feb 28, 2014
Well Doug, that was a good marketing ploy last night. You showed those in attendance at the board meeting that you can make large bulletins and not only mailers and yard signs. Do you pay for your labor and materials out of your profits or do you charge it to marketing?

As for the coaches, since you are so quick to state that they are nothing but thieves, how much did they typically steal per season, and how much of their time was given? Sounds reasonable to me that the coaches are paid something for their time - unless you think that all coaches should be strictly volunteer - in which case there is no sense in continuing the conversation.

As for looking to other schools to see what they do - it is done all of the time. In fact recently (within the last two weeks), the Springboro high school leadership asked parents to look at a policy at surrounding schools so that they can shape their own policy. Businesses do it all the time, they look at competitors website designs, marketing strategies, subcontractor usage, etc. to help shape their own corporation. In many instances you would be stupid not to look at what has been done in the past and build on it or tweek the ideas rather than start from scratch.
Lerxst

Springboro, OH

#30805 Feb 28, 2014
Bravo wrote:
Well Doug, that was a good marketing ploy last night. You showed those in attendance at the board meeting that you can make large bulletins and not only mailers and yard signs. Do you pay for your labor and materials out of your profits or do you charge it to marketing?
As for the coaches, since you are so quick to state that they are nothing but thieves, how much did they typically steal per season, and how much of their time was given? Sounds reasonable to me that the coaches are paid something for their time - unless you think that all coaches should be strictly volunteer - in which case there is no sense in continuing the conversation.
I agree that it is reasonable for coaches to be paid in these circumstances. However, if that's going to be the case then make it transparent. Specify the salary/payment/stipend, whatever they want to call it. Effectively writing a blank check is an invitation for questions. And that's exactly where we find ourselves. Given the recent events regarding Harves it any wonder someone came along to question the whole operation? In my view it was incredibly bad judgment to allow personal bank accounts be used here. And even worse judgment for the individuals involved to have not tracked and recorded every single dollar spent.
yin yang

Springboro, OH

#30806 Feb 28, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
But spending $9,000 + on MLA for 3 months was a deal we should have taken?
At least this board is bringing something to the table MUCH cheaper (per month) and we actually get consultants who HAVE experience with schools.
MSA campaigned on rejoining OSBA. They weren't 'hiding' anything. Despite that (or maybe because of that) they won the election.
GET OVER IT.
Why support OSBLC?

"As many of you may know, there is already an Ohio organization that assists school board members with the issues that they face on a daily basis. The OSBA has been in Ohio for almost 60 years and they have grown enormously. So, why do we need another school board organization? Does the word monopoly mean anything to you? Does the word philosophy mean anything to you? Well to us, the OSBA currently has exclusive access to our elected school boards across Ohio. In many cases, this lone voice for board members to turn to for advice and information is slanted toward a philosophy that our organization would disagree with. Therefore, we feel there should be another voice available to board members who are frustrated with the answers they receive from OSBA. In future newsletters, we will highlight a few differences between our two organizations and let you decide which one lines up closer to how you see education in Ohio. OSBA has a 60 year head start, but we are confident that you will understand why OSBLC is needed now more than ever as you compare our views on many of the topics that will shape our kids future."

"The Ohio Education Association, Ohio's largest teachers union, has named the Ohio School Boards Leadership Council (OSBLC) to its "enemies" list. In a recent state-wide conference OEA offers sessions to help teachers identify their enemies and discussed how to "deal" with them."

(Commentary : The OEA is afraid of OSBLC? Generally, fear is a motivator for the cowardly.)

http://osblc.org/

"OUR PROGRESS AS A NATION CAN BE NO SWIFTER THAN OUR PROGRESS IN EDUCATION. THE HUMAN MIND IS OUR FUNDAMENTAL RESOURCE."

President John F. Kennedy (D)
Special Message to the Congress on Education
February 20, 1961
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/...

Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30807 Feb 28, 2014
Bravo wrote:
Well Doug, that was a good marketing ploy last night. You showed those in attendance at the board meeting that you can make large bulletins and not only mailers and yard signs. Do you pay for your labor and materials out of your profits or do you charge it to marketing?
As for the coaches, since you are so quick to state that they are nothing but thieves, how much did they typically steal per season, and how much of their time was given? Sounds reasonable to me that the coaches are paid something for their time - unless you think that all coaches should be strictly volunteer - in which case there is no sense in continuing the conversation.
As for looking to other schools to see what they do - it is done all of the time. In fact recently (within the last two weeks), the Springboro high school leadership asked parents to look at a policy at surrounding schools so that they can shape their own policy. Businesses do it all the time, they look at competitors website designs, marketing strategies, subcontractor usage, etc. to help shape their own corporation. In many instances you would be stupid not to look at what has been done in the past and build on it or tweek the ideas rather than start from scratch.
And I was afraid it would not be large enough to be seen, thank you for assuaging that concern.

My point in the matter is that if everything is hunky dory why are so many people worried about appearances? Why did Mr. Holtrey go to great lengths to deny the existence of the coaches running the camps for profit? Mr. Holtrey specifically claims in his interview with a friendly reporter from the Dayton Daily News:

Q – What about the summer camp accusation?

A - Somebody made an accusation to the state auditor’s office that coaches were running camps (and keeping profits) and that was fraudulent.(The school board) won’t even share with you what the accusation was.… It was not an investigation. They were following up on an accusation that in my view was a flagrant accusation with the intent of causing problems that there was NEVER ANY TRUTH TO.

Mr. Holtrey's response to the state auditor is exactly the opposite according to the State Audit report dated December 12, 2013.

State Auditor Report
Springboro Community City School District
December 12, 2013

"1. Springboro Boys Basketball Camps
A bank account was maintained by Troy Holtrey, the former Springboro High School head basketball coach and former ATHLETIC DIRECTOR who operated the camp. Mr. Holtrey indicated that he had been operating camps for approximately 20 years. He believes he opened the account in 2004/05 per the request of the Superintendent. Prior to operating his own bank account the camps financial activity was accounted for by the Springboro Boosters. Mr. Holtrey indicated that after he had paid for all of the expenses (camp workers, t- shirts, basketballs, etc.) related to the camp, he considered any funds remaining from the fees he collected to be his stipend.

We can look at all of the other people we wish, the point of the matter is we choose how to act based upon our own sets of principles, ethics, morals, and values we hold in this community.

The question begs itself are we for letting the children have the first crack at scarce resources or the coaches?

I say give it to the children first.

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