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I have been checking on camps from other schools. Seams all the schools I check for camps is being paid directly to the head coaches. Are all coaches in Ohio just taking the money? Is it only wrong if you coach in Springboro and operate the exact same way other schools operate?
Have you checked to see how the big boys are doing things like Centerville, how do they manage their camps?
Does anyone know if there was a prearranged agreement with the district and the coaches?
Has anyone on this board tried to contact any of our coaches and find out the arrangements for camps?
What if the district promised the coaches the camp money as part of their total compensation package to teach and coach at Springboro. The current coaches are receiving 80% of all camp moneys. Are they stealing from our kids also or is that the current arrangement?
so... you've been checking camps from other schools and all the schools you checked the camp money is paid directly to coaches.

Please provide the names of the schools that do this.

Here is a weird finding... your spelling stinks
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Wierd Findings wrote:
I have been checking on camps from other schools. Seams all the schools I check for camps is being paid directly to the head coaches. Are all coaches in Ohio just taking the money? Is it only wrong if you coach in Springboro and operate the exact same way other schools operate?
Have you checked to see how the big boys are doing things like Centerville, how do they manage their camps?
Does anyone know if there was a prearranged agreement with the district and the coaches?
Has anyone on this board tried to contact any of our coaches and find out the arrangements for camps?
What if the district promised the coaches the camp money as part of their total compensation package to teach and coach at Springboro. The current coaches are receiving 80% of all camp moneys. Are they stealing from our kids also or is that the current arrangement?
Yes, Really, it is now proven that coaches/boosters board officers were stealing.
That's just wrong and will not be tolerated in Springboro schools, regardless of how
other schools operate.

Based on the laws that we live under in the country, stealing money is illegal.

Based on justice for all, those who have broken the law should be held accountable for their actions; as it appears that the boosters treasurer is; sadly, it does appear that in Springboro, there are some who are greater lovers of sports/sports coaches than they are lovers of the greater good for all. Thus, those who do wrong, are enabled by false idol worship to continue....with no consequences at all.
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Wierd Findings wrote:
I have been checking on camps from other schools. Seams all the schools I check for camps is being paid directly to the head coaches. Are all coaches in Ohio just taking the money? Is it only wrong if you coach in Springboro and operate the exact same way other schools operate?
Have you checked to see how the big boys are doing things like Centerville, how do they manage their camps?
Does anyone know if there was a prearranged agreement with the district and the coaches?
Has anyone on this board tried to contact any of our coaches and find out the arrangements for camps?
What if the district promised the coaches the camp money as part of their total compensation package to teach and coach at Springboro. The current coaches are receiving 80% of all camp moneys. Are they stealing from our kids also or is that the current arrangement?
80% is a ridiculously large commission for selling to a captive audience.

If the camps were so incredibly special why would not a coach take them on the road and make that same $3-$10,000 per week all summer. A possible $100,000 per summer for doing what you love to do, who would not do that?

The answer is coaches who realize having to pay for any field or gym usage fees, liability insurance, marketing cost, or proper coaches would severely cut into their profits.

Also coaches who understand that they may possess limited drawing power outside of the school district in which they hold sway.

A head coach is paid to be a head coach via a supplemental contract that is one year in duration and is reconfirmed each year by the school board at their discretion.

A crucial part of building a winning program is the ability to nurture feeder programs that teach, year upon year, the correct way of doing things. This is so that by the time a kid hits high school, the basic foundational skills required are well entrenched.

If our coaches lack the ability or desire to perform this basic function of their job, it may be time to seek other coaches with more desire and interest.
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Wierd Findings wrote:
I have been checking on camps from other schools. Seams all the schools I check for camps is being paid directly to the head coaches. Are all coaches in Ohio just taking the money? Is it only wrong if you coach in Springboro and operate the exact same way other schools operate?
Have you checked to see how the big boys are doing things like Centerville, how do they manage their camps?
Does anyone know if there was a prearranged agreement with the district and the coaches?
Has anyone on this board tried to contact any of our coaches and find out the arrangements for camps?
What if the district promised the coaches the camp money as part of their total compensation package to teach and coach at Springboro. The current coaches are receiving 80% of all camp moneys. Are they stealing from our kids also or is that the current arrangement?
Did you check the Policies before writing your post?
http://www.neola.com/centerville-oh/ section 7510
http://www.neola.com/centerville-oh/ section 7530
http://www.neola.com/centerville-oh/ section 3231

At Centerville, the Superintendent has the authority to decide who can use their facilities and
equipment. Whoever is approved for use must provide their own liability insurance.
Per Section 3231, teachers/coaches are not allowed to use the facilities for a private business.

Perhaps someone should call the State Auditor on them.
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http://www.centerville.k12.oh.us/resourcesmod...

See PDF page 92 of 152

It looks like they are appropriately depositing the money into the "District Managed Student Services Fund", under "extracurricular activities" line item.

Hopefully the Coaches are depositing with the Treasurer. Although their PeeWee camp asks for payments to be made payable to the Coach.

http://www.elksfootball.com/wp-content/upload...

Quick, call the Auditor!
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Show me the money wrote:
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Did you check the Policies before writing your post?
http://www.neola.com/centerville-oh/ section 7510
http://www.neola.com/centerville-oh/ section 7530
http://www.neola.com/centerville-oh/ section 3231
At Centerville, the Superintendent has the authority to decide who can use their facilities and
equipment. Whoever is approved for use must provide their own liability insurance.
Per Section 3231, teachers/coaches are not allowed to use the facilities for a private business.
Perhaps someone should call the State Auditor on them.
Possibly....

In the case of Springboro Boosters, the school district's treasurer was the one to first to call the State about the matter.

Just imagine how much money the families of student athletes in this community wouldn't have lost if someone in the community had detected foul play, and actually picked up the phone / email, and did something about it.
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Very interesting about what happens in Centerville, last time I checked however, we live in Springboro.

It matters not a bit what they do in other districts, this is like the people who say our abysmal math scores for our 8th graders taking the Ohio Achievement Assessment test are much better than kids in Youngstown.
As if scoring marginally better than some other failing district is a great coup.

The fact remains 4 out of 5 kids taking the OAA 8th grade math test score 75% and below. 4 out of 5 kids get D's or F's and according to the state archives this has been going on for the past decade.

The only place where we have the ability to impact test score outcomes in in our own back yard. We cannot control what occurs outside of our area of jurisdiction, but we can do something about our own issues.

What Centerville does or does not do has no bearing on what we choose do to in our community. The taxpayers of Springboro have no say in the operations in Centerville, just as the people in Centerville have no say in Springboro's choices.

To make arguments that the all of the other schools get to do it, is much like arguing with your young children.

Like Mom used to say, she did not care what other parents did, that was their choice and none of her business, but she did have a say over what her kids were going to do.
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If all the Centerville Board Members jumped off a bridge, would all the Springboro Board Member jump too?
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Show me the money wrote:
If all the Centerville Board Members jumped off a bridge, would all the Springboro Board Member jump too?
and Centerville has ALWAYS passed every school levy put on the ballot. I prefer being poor in Springboro..:)
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At springboro.org see agenda item 3.4 for tomorrow night's (Feb. 27) meeting

Approval of Five Year Forecast Consulting Agreement

OSBA consulting services....$1000 PER MONTH for the next FIVE YEARS, plus travel and printing expenses as applicable.

Additional add-on training and consulting services - Each session $960 plus expenses, if applicable.

Consulting services for OSBA member school district, Springboro Community City School District, effective February 24, 2014, in the areas of forecast comparison, analysis, and custom deliverables regarding school district financial forecast.

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In the 60+ years since its inception, the Ohio School Board Association (OSBA) has continually corrupted itself. In the past it was an organization that legitimately existed to help children's education. Not any more. In 2014 the OSBA exists primarily as a lobbying arm to further the interests of the OEA.

Public Finance Resources, Inc,(a puppet organization designed to further OEA union interests) will "provide" the district's CFO:

1) Update of PFR's financial forecast software to reflect District's modeled revenue and expenditures...(we already have the IS nerds on staff)

2) Udpate the District's forecasting for May 2014 submission...(this district does not require outside help to do this)

3) Analyze and report on the district's monthly cash flow for the 4 month period March 1, 2014 through June 30, 2014 (even R.Malone can probably handle this)

4) Prepare financial forecasting data for ratings presentations (Mr. Petroni has done this eloquently for two years. Why waste budget capital that could be going for the direct benefit of student education?)

5) Review with the District's CFO the District's current financial forecast and assumptions (we already have an understanding of this)
a. Real Estate collections - collection rate, split and delinquencies
b. State funding, including District's enrollment estimates / EMIS estimation
c. All other revenue sources
d. Salaries and benefits - build detailed note sections in model
e. Purchased services

6) "What-if" scenario planning and analysis
a. Revenue source changes (we already have a handle on this)
b. Budget considerations developed by district

7) On-site forecast software training and tips (we already have this)

8) Education and informal presentations to board members, administrative team, and/or community about the financial forecast

HEY! WAIT Ron Malone! Before you vote Thursday evening to spend $60,000+ of our money over the next 5 years, isn't the OSBA package the sort of stuff you should have had a handle on before you decided to run for school board? Oh, that's right. I almost forgot. You ran for school board on the Popularity ticket. No practical know-how is necessary there.

Through property taxes, taxpayers in Springboro Schools will be paying OSBA an unneccessary $1000 / month + expenses to come here and systematically brainwash this members of this community into believing we should buy into a list of perceived "necessities" that are gradually being brought to the table by the likes of habitual tax-and-spenders suchs like Babb and Bindemann. In short, Malone et al want the left-leaning OSBA consultants here in order to promote Malone and Maney's agenda, which is to waste money on stufff like salaries for elective classes that rarely reach anything closr to capacity and useless $1000 / month / 5 year OSBA consulting contract fees.

Long before this district's budget is prematurely depleted, the OSBA "consultant" will have sold Malone's and the SEA's agenda to this community in the form of creating false pressure for an "additional" levy. Remember: additional millage WILL NOT be needed if this district's board members, like the last 4 years, remain evenly accountable to the ENTIRE community they serve.
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Show me the money wrote:
If all the Centerville Board Members jumped off a bridge, would all the Springboro Board Member jump too?
If insanely popular, Ron Malone, who has been a SHS principal for the PAST thirteen years and elected board representative on name recognition of being beloved by his students,
then pressured his employee, the school superintendent, to ask for approval of the OSBA Five Year Forecast Consulting Agreement to promote fake budget crisis and tax increases in Springboro, will all the Springboro Board Members jump to rubber stamp Mr. Petrey's
proposed waste of our school tax dollars?
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If we as a community thought just a year ago that investigating the benefits of a charter school in our community was a magnificent waste of $15,000, why are we entering into a continual, open ended contract that will ultimately cost us countless thousands of dollars more each and every year?

And secondly, why does the union dominated OSBA refuse to reveal the entirety of the contract before the people?

That includes the necessary subcontracts we would also enjoy.

What are they hiding by refusing to release this information?

I do not know of many well run operations that sign contracts that are not fully revealed, why would we?

Trust, but verify.

Trust, but verify.
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accountability wrote:
At springboro.org see agenda item 3.4 for tomorrow night's (Feb. 27) meeting
Approval of Five Year Forecast Consulting Agreement
OSBA consulting services....$1000 PER MONTH for the next FIVE YEARS, plus travel and printing expenses as applicable.
Additional add-on training and consulting services - Each session $960 plus expenses, if applicable.
Consulting services for OSBA member school district, Springboro Community City School District, effective February 24, 2014, in the areas of forecast comparison, analysis, and custom deliverables regarding school district financial forecast.
__________
In the 60+ years since its inception, the Ohio School Board Association (OSBA) has continually corrupted itself. In the past it was an organization that legitimately existed to help children's education. Not any more. In 2014 the OSBA exists primarily as a lobbying arm to further the interests of the OEA.
Public Finance Resources, Inc,(a puppet organization designed to further OEA union interests) will "provide" the district's CFO:
1) Update of PFR's financial forecast software to reflect District's modeled revenue and expenditures...(we already have the IS nerds on staff)
2) Udpate the District's forecasting for May 2014 submission...(this district does not require outside help to do this)
3) Analyze and report on the district's monthly cash flow for the 4 month period March 1, 2014 through June 30, 2014 (even R.Malone can probably handle this)
4) Prepare financial forecasting data for ratings presentations (Mr. Petroni has done this eloquently for two years. Why waste budget capital that could be going for the direct benefit of student education?)
5) Review with the District's CFO the District's current financial forecast and assumptions (we already have an understanding of this)
a. Real Estate collections - collection rate, split and delinquencies
b. State funding, including District's enrollment estimates / EMIS estimation
c. All other revenue sources
d. Salaries and benefits - build detailed note sections in model
e. Purchased services
6) "What-if" scenario planning and analysis
a. Revenue source changes (we already have a handle on this)
b. Budget considerations developed by district
7) On-site forecast software training and tips (we already have this)
8) Education and informal presentations to board members, administrative team, and/or community about the financial forecast
HEY! WAIT Ron Malone! Before you vote Thursday evening to spend $60,000+ of our money over the next 5 years, isn't the OSBA package the sort of stuff you should have had a handle on before you decided to run for school board? Oh, that's right. I almost forgot. You ran for school board on the Popularity ticket. No practical know-how is necessary there.
Through property taxes, taxpayers in Springboro Schools will be paying OSBA an unneccessary $1000 / month + expenses to come here and systematically brainwash this members of this community into believing we should buy into a list of perceived "necessities" that are gradually being brought to the table by the likes of habitual tax-and-spenders suchs like Babb and Bindemann. In short, Malone et al want the left-leaning OSBA consultants here in order to promote Malone and Maney's agenda, which is to waste money on stufff like salaries for elective classes that rarely reach anything closr to capacity and useless $1000 / month / 5 year OSBA consulting contract fees.
Long before this district's budget is prematurely depleted, the OSBA "consultant" will have sold Malone's and the SEA's agenda to this community in the form of creating false pressure for an "additional" levy. Remember: additional millage WILL NOT be needed if this district's board members, like the last 4 years, remain evenly accountable to the ENTIRE community they serve.
Sounds like the OSBA is taking control from our locally elected board members; giving our school tax dollars to the SEA control.
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At springboro.org see agenda item 3.4 for tomorrow night's (Feb. 27) meeting
Approval of Five Year Forecast Consulting Agreement
OSBA consulting services....$1000 PER MONTH for the next FIVE YEARS, plus travel and printing expenses as applicable.
Additional add-on training and consulting services - Each session $960 plus expenses, if applicable.
Consulting services for OSBA member school district, Springboro Community City School District, effective February 24, 2014, in the areas of forecast comparison, analysis, and custom deliverables regarding school district financial forecast.
__________
In the 60+ years since its inception, the Ohio School Board Association (OSBA) has continually corrupted itself. In the past it was an organization that legitimately existed to help children's education. Not any more. In 2014 the OSBA exists primarily as a lobbying arm to further the interests of the OEA.
Public Finance Resources, Inc,(a puppet organization designed to further OEA union interests) will "provide" the district's CFO:
1) Update of PFR's financial forecast software to reflect District's modeled revenue and expenditures...(we already have the IS nerds on staff)
2) Udpate the District's forecasting for May 2014 submission...(this district does not require outside help to do this)
3) Analyze and report on the district's monthly cash flow for the 4 month period March 1, 2014 through June 30, 2014 (even R.Malone can probably handle this)
4) Prepare financial forecasting data for ratings presentations (Mr. Petroni has done this eloquently for two years. Why waste budget capital that could be going for the direct benefit of student education?)
5) Review with the District's CFO the District's current financial forecast and assumptions (we already have an understanding of this)
a. Real Estate collections - collection rate, split and delinquencies
b. State funding, including District's enrollment estimates / EMIS estimation
c. All other revenue sources
d. Salaries and benefits - build detailed note sections in model
e. Purchased services
6) "What-if" scenario planning and analysis
a. Revenue source changes (we already have a handle on this)
b. Budget considerations developed by district
7) On-site forecast software training and tips (we already have this)
8) Education and informal presentations to board members, administrative team, and/or community about the financial forecast
HEY! WAIT Ron Malone! Before you vote Thursday evening to spend $60,000+ of our money over the next 5 years, isn't the OSBA package the sort of stuff you should have had a handle on before you decided to run for school board? Oh, that's right. I almost forgot. You ran for school board on the Popularity ticket. No practical know-how is necessary there.
Through property taxes, taxpayers in Springboro Schools will be paying OSBA an unneccessary $1000 / month + expenses to come here and systematically brainwash this members of this community into believing we should buy into a list of perceived "necessities" that are gradually being brought to the table by the likes of habitual tax-and-spenders suchs like Babb and Bindemann. In short, Malone et al want the left-leaning OSBA consultants here in order to promote Malone and Maney's agenda, which is to waste money on stufff like salaries for elective classes that rarely reach anything closr to capacity and useless $1000 / month / 5 year OSBA consulting contract fees.
Long before this district's budget is prematurely depleted, the OSBA "consultant" will have sold Malone's and the SEA's agenda to this community in the form of creating false pressure for an "additional" levy. Remember: additional millage WILL NOT be needed if this district's board members, like the last 4 years, remain evenly accountable to the ENTIRE community they serve.
OSBA is taking control of local input and putting SEA in charge of using Superintendent
as their puppet, bring recommendations to BOE.
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Loss of Local Control wrote:
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Sounds like the OSBA is taking control from our locally elected board members; giving our school tax dollars to the SEA control.
How would a union controlled school board WASTE your school tax dollars at the
Springboro School Board Business Meeting, February 27, 2014, at 7:00 p.m.?

The Answer lies in re-instating "status quo" by the board president, Charles Anderson, Approval of the Ohio School Boards Association Five Year Forecast Consulting Agreement; an open contract for the OSBA to run an expensive New Levy Campaign for Increased taxes; costing Springboro families $1000 per month in consulting fees; for the Superintendent to meet with hand picked special interest groups to discover perceived unmet needs in our five year forecast; and then the Superintendent will be the only person who can make Staff recommendations to the BOE elected officials... and that is not a
good thing for the future of our school children and our community.

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How would a union controlled school board WASTE your school tax dollars at the
Springboro School Board Business Meeting, February 27, 2014, at 7:00 p.m.?
But spending $9,000 + on MLA for 3 months was a deal we should have taken?

At least this board is bringing something to the table MUCH cheaper (per month) and we actually get consultants who HAVE experience with schools.

MSA campaigned on rejoining OSBA. They weren't 'hiding' anything. Despite that (or maybe because of that) they won the election.

GET OVER IT.
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But spending $9,000 + on MLA for 3 months was a deal we should have taken?
At least this board is bringing something to the table MUCH cheaper (per month) and we actually get consultants who HAVE experience with schools.
MSA campaigned on rejoining OSBA. They weren't 'hiding' anything. Despite that (or maybe because of that) they won the election.
GET OVER IT.
oh, consultants ? Who are probably only too glad to take our tax dollars, to reaffirm fears that stoke the money burning attitude of "our" new school board leaders...God help us, the new majority on the school board won't.
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oh, consultants ? Who are probably only too glad to take our tax dollars, to reaffirm fears that stoke the money burning attitude of "our" new school board leaders...God help us, the new majority on the school board won't.
I think someone needs a tissue...
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Wow! After reading comments on a Springboro FB page from "Mary Jane" and "The Morrisons," it's no wonder why the Community seems to be decided.

Their petty and derisive comments remind me of school children engaging in name-calling theatrics.

Many of us aren't happy with the recent School Board election results. And many are! But it's no reason to act so shamelessly with the name-calling and finger-pointing, which appears what I am doing myself. Maybe it's contagious.

I certainly hope not.
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The More You Know wrote:
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But spending $9,000 + on MLA for 3 months was a deal we should have taken?
At least this board is bringing something to the table MUCH cheaper (per month) and we actually get consultants who HAVE experience with schools.
MSA campaigned on rejoining OSBA. They weren't 'hiding' anything. Despite that (or maybe because of that) they won the election.
GET OVER IT.
You underestimate the intelligience of your MSA voters -- just isn't possible that they knew
that were voting for Mr. Anderson to vote wasting $60,000 of our money to run another Levy campaign for Increased Taxes! This division that the Board President is causing in the board room will take attention off Mr. Petrey's agenda of highest academic achievement for all students; and he will be consumed with running the Baker-style Increaased taxes campaign against Springboro families; until just like former superintendents, Petrey will have Springboro families turn against him and start opposing his leadership. Not a win-win
for the school community of employees nor the community of Springboro taxpayers;
we will all suffer the most for the least of these MSA extremists.

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