Our recommendation: Springboro voters...

Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

There are 31883 comments on the Dayton Daily News story from Feb 5, 2008, titled Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies. In it, Dayton Daily News reports that:

Recommended local sites More... UD sports info, pictures and discussions Are you a UD sports fan? Whether you like basketball, volleyball, soccer, men's or women's teams -- Doesn't matter -- this site is for ... via Dayton Daily News

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Dayton Daily News.

Just Imagine

Springboro, OH

#30768 Feb 23, 2014
parent wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a proud parent of a Boro high school student who's in varsity in a sport not named in the auditor's report. There's been a lot posted here about past deceptive acts of certain Boro coaches. While most of us has read State Auditor Yost's Dec 12th report and know about Harves' jail time, something we should keep in mind is there are other coaches in this district who are genuinely honest people. Not only are they honest, they're SMART enough to understand why managing summer camp fees / concessions via use of personal banking accounts isn't such a great idea ethically.
Of course no one's ever perfect; and temptation to steal is everpresent and virtually everywhere. There are plenty of current Springboro coaches who served from 2011-2012 that didn't show up on the state auditor's report. Next time you see one of them, go out of your way to give them a smile and shake their hand.
Just imagine an individual who, let's say works in a bank, and is caught stealing money.

Would it be reasoned that no one's ever perfect, and temptation to steal is everpresent and virtually everywhere?

Would customers be told - there are plenty of current employees who have worked in the bank from 2011-2012 that did not steal; and that they should go out of their way to give them a smile and shake their hand?
we were fooled again

Springboro, OH

#30769 Feb 23, 2014
Do u know the Chief wrote:
All Springboro residents need to read this short article. Chief Kruitoff needs to go!! Please people we deserve so much better than this clown.
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2002/03/23/l...
Here in the Boro, an ability to manipulate information & consistently be intransparent to the community appear to be hiring prerequisites for prospective public employees.
poundsand

Dayton, OH

#30770 Feb 24, 2014
The cronyism in this school district is disgusting.

This town needs an enema.
Curious

Dayton, OH

#30771 Feb 24, 2014
As a parent, I have put my children through several camps at SHS in preparation for their sport(s). In the past, my kids would bring home a flyer or I would see a flyer online that gives the details about the camp (cost, times, place, etc.). I don't remember ever seeing where the money will go - I had always expected that it paid for the equipment, t-shirts and the coaches.
I guess I am confused by all of the complaints on here about "stipends" that these coaches received. No where that I can recall did I ever see written or verbally expressed that these coaches were strictly volunteering their time. As for the cost of the camp, as a parent, I look at what I pay and what my child is getting in return. If it is too high then I question it or don't send my child.
Now I know the policy has changed (or was created new) regarding these camps and the district is now getting some percentage which makes sense to cover usage of courts/fields/etc. Was there a policy before?

Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30772 Feb 24, 2014
parent wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a proud parent of a Boro high school student who's in varsity in a sport not named in the auditor's report. There's been a lot posted here about past deceptive acts of certain Boro coaches. While most of us has read State Auditor Yost's Dec 12th report and know about Harves' jail time, something we should keep in mind is there are other coaches in this district who are genuinely honest people. Not only are they honest, they're SMART enough to understand why managing summer camp fees / concessions via use of personal banking accounts isn't such a great idea ethically.
Of course no one's ever perfect; and temptation to steal is everpresent and virtually everywhere. There are plenty of current Springboro coaches who served from 2011-2012 that didn't show up on the state auditor's report. Next time you see one of them, go out of your way to give them a smile and shake their hand.
There are many coaches for a variety of sports that our children are participate in each year. I note my daughters's cross country coach Mr. Ron Rohrer, then Mr Jeremy Wysocki were not involved in the diversions of funds from the kids into their pockets.

I also note my daughter's track coach, Mr. Wayne Kemper's name conspicuously absent from the list the State Auditor decided was worthy of a glance. I recall Mr. Kemper going out into the community to solicit funds so that we could again host a major track meet in Springboro. He was successful garnering a major sponsor in the local Eagles lodge and the result is a money making affair each spring at the high school track.

Mr. Chad Adams at the junior high has also built upon what Mr. Kemper began with a major (21 teams last year) track meet for the junior high that returned us over $10,000 on a wonderfully crappy night filled with rain, sleet, wind, plummeting temperatures, and memories that will last a lifetime for the kids who participated.

The point is these men did it to build the program they were involved in with our kids. They did not do this to line their pockets, even though it was above and beyond their normal duties. For that I wish to applaud these gentlemen and all those who gave unselfishly of their time and effort to make good things happen for our kids.
August 2012

Springboro, OH

#30773 Feb 24, 2014
we were fooled again wrote:
<quoted text>
Here in the Boro, an ability to manipulate information & consistently be intransparent to the community appear to be hiring prerequisites for prospective public employees.
And the People Said Amen.
Agree

Springboro, OH

#30774 Feb 24, 2014
Curious wrote:
As a parent, I have put my children through several camps at SHS in preparation for their sport(s). In the past, my kids would bring home a flyer or I would see a flyer online that gives the details about the camp (cost, times, place, etc.). I don't remember ever seeing where the money will go - I had always expected that it paid for the equipment, t-shirts and the coaches.
I guess I am confused by all of the complaints on here about "stipends" that these coaches received. No where that I can recall did I ever see written or verbally expressed that these coaches were strictly volunteering their time. As for the cost of the camp, as a parent, I look at what I pay and what my child is getting in return. If it is too high then I question it or don't send my child.
Now I know the policy has changed (or was created new) regarding these camps and the district is now getting some percentage which makes sense to cover usage of courts/fields/etc. Was there a policy before?
Totally agree with this post. When I sign my child up for a camp, I never believe the coaches aren't getting paid, a stipend, whatever you want to call it.

I too, look at the camp, the price, the coach(es)- determine if I believe the benefit is worth the price - and sign up or don't sign up based on that.

Don't ever expect the coaches to volunteer to do it. If they do volunteer, great - if not I will not be upset that they are compensated. They obviously have an expertise that I don't possess...or I would be running the camp at my house for my child.
Show me the money

Canal Winchester, OH

#30775 Feb 24, 2014
Agree wrote:
<quoted text>
Totally agree with this post. When I sign my child up for a camp, I never believe the coaches aren't getting paid, a stipend, whatever you want to call it.
I too, look at the camp, the price, the coach(es)- determine if I believe the benefit is worth the price - and sign up or don't sign up based on that.
Don't ever expect the coaches to volunteer to do it. If they do volunteer, great - if not I will not be upset that they are compensated. They obviously have an expertise that I don't possess...or I would be running the camp at my house for my child.
There were rules in place, important rules that were ignored for years. Rules that said that use of facilities that were not by a school organization had to pay fees, for instance, for lights on the football field, for janitorial service, for building use. None of the Coaches holding camps that were not a part of their required coaching duties paid for any of the fees to the school. They were also supposed to have their own insurance. What if your child was injured? Not only was there no liability insurance, but there was no medical personnel at these camps. The coaches could make money, but they had to follow the rules. Instead, they used all the school facilities, year round, as if they owned them, collected the money, did not pay for the use of buildings, equipment, facilities, electricity, insurance or medical personnel.
If you ran a camp at your house, would your homeowners insurance cover you for damages, theft, injuries or death? If you did it right, paid for proper equipment, staff, facilities, would you be able to make as much as if you didn't pay for those things, and used your neighbors yard and house and equipment?
Essentially, the coaches were using facilities that were not their own, to hold camps or other activities that were not school sponsored events, without following the rules.
Your logic is why the Boosters Treasurer stole for probably 20 years, because people like you don't want to get involved or question the "authority" of the long-time administration, like the Athletic Director, Principal or Coaches. I understand, you probably think that if you start asking questions, your kid will not get to play. Unfortunately, you are right. Question them, and your kid will not play.
response

Springboro, OH

#30776 Feb 24, 2014
Curious wrote:
I guess I am confused by all of the complaints on here about "stipends" that these coaches received. No where that I can recall did I ever see written or verbally expressed that these coaches were strictly volunteering their time.
According to the State auditor's report..."Mr. Holtrey indicated that after he had paid for all of the expenses (camp workers, t-shirts, basketballs, etc) related to the camp, he CONSIDERED any funds remaining from the fees he collected to be his stipend."

According to the State auditors' report..."Mr. Wilhite stated that some of the checks that were written to him were used to pay for other High School team expenses, pay camp workers in cash or reimburse (Wilhite) for other expenses made out of personal funds.(Wilhite) also indicated that after he had paid for all of the expenses (camp workers, t-shirts) related to the camp, he CONSIDERED any funds remaining to be his stipend."

According to the State auditors' report..."Mr. Benjamin...collected camp fees for a summer girls basketball camp he operated. After he had paid for all of the expenses (camp workers, t-shirts, basketballs) related to the camp, he CONSIDERED any funds remaining from the fees he collected to be his stipend."

According to the State auditors' report..."Upon review of the outside bank account, it appeared as if Mr, Pelfrey paid himself a stipend with the fees collected for the camp after he had paid for all the camp related expenses (insurance, camp workers, t-shirts)..."

According to the State auditor's report..."A bank account was maintained by Kevin Sedensky, girls high school volleyball coach who operated a summer camp. Per a memo Coach Sedensky wrote to the District dated Aug 7,2012, April 2011, the District's A.D. directed him to open a summer camp account in his name."

__________

In any organization that lacks leadership and discipline, established policies and procedures tend to decay and/or become habitually abused. An individual's perception of themselves potentially getting caught doing something illegal tends to be lowered right along with decay of leadership. Let's look at the possibilities. It's possible that at X point in time, there was a higher level of discipline and respect in general toward the A.D's office. It's possible that during this period of higher discipline and respect, each coach had a much different perspective of what to do with "remaining" summer camp fees. But without sufficent leadership and discipline, established policies and procedures tend to decay and/or become habitually abused.

Attn: Curious
Hypothetical scenario...At your place of employment, do you CONSIDER a proportional piece of your employer's annual profits to be automatically yours for the taking, without asking?
Doesn't it fall within the rhelm of virtually every rule of business ethics for you (and others in your company) to go through correct channels with your employer, rather than to risk potentially being discharged for theft?
Show me the money

Canal Winchester, OH

#30777 Feb 24, 2014
Isn't it funny how the five coaches who initially refused to speak to anyone, including the auditors, and all got the same (Union) lawyer, all said almost exactly the same thing-"Troy Holtrey told me to." I wonder if any of them got that in writing. Or if it happened at all.
Parents Two

Springboro, OH

#30778 Feb 24, 2014
Agree wrote:
<quoted text>
Totally agree with this post. When I sign my child up for a camp, I never believe the coaches aren't getting paid, a stipend, whatever you want to call it.
I too, look at the camp, the price, the coach(es)- determine if I believe the benefit is worth the price - and sign up or don't sign up based on that.
Don't ever expect the coaches to volunteer to do it. If they do volunteer, great - if not I will not be upset that they are compensated. They obviously have an expertise that I don't possess...or I would be running the camp at my house for my child.
We never believed the coaches are getting paid, a stipend, or whatever you want to call it:
but never would we have ever believed that a "stipend" to these individual sports coaches was what the coaches were calling "my personal bank account" (or my new car, etc.....)

There is just no way that any one reading this post is dumb enough to think that these
coaches were na´ve in stealing this money for themselves; the money belonged to the school's athletic program; not to individual coaches to use as their own.

After all, even food servers in restaurants who bring you the bill for your food, are required to properly record the amount of Tips left by the customer; they don't just scoop it up in a brown bag and take to their personal bank account. And neither should sports coaches be allowed to practice such greed.
Not Funny But True

Springboro, OH

#30779 Feb 25, 2014
Show me the money wrote:
Isn't it funny how the five coaches who initially refused to speak to anyone, including the auditors, and all got the same (Union) lawyer, all said almost exactly the same thing-"Troy Holtrey told me to." I wonder if any of them got that in writing. Or if it happened at all.
The Union lawyer for the five coaches is elected as board member in Centerville Schools.
A Springboro resident and member of NFSS pro-levy committee is a Centerville School Teacher, who once reminded Springboro private citizens that they were fortunate to have opportunity to speak concerns in public meetings, because most school districts did not allow public participation in public school board meetings.

Stay Alert Voters -- we now have in Springboro an elected Board of Education President who has shut out community members in public participation of our Board Committee Meetings;
allowing the SEA president to take back "their" board. The Board President and the School Superintendent are now working with the two retired educators/newly elected board members, behind the closed doors of our taxpayer-funded school facilities, condensing school district "issues" to fit with re-instating status quo, in opposition to our Children First
Vision of Reform and the progress made during the past two years in Fiscal Integrity and Budget Transparency.
Wierd Findings

Hamilton, OH

#30780 Feb 25, 2014
I have been checking on camps from other schools. Seams all the schools I check for camps is being paid directly to the head coaches. Are all coaches in Ohio just taking the money? Is it only wrong if you coach in Springboro and operate the exact same way other schools operate?
Have you checked to see how the big boys are doing things like Centerville, how do they manage their camps?
Does anyone know if there was a prearranged agreement with the district and the coaches?
Has anyone on this board tried to contact any of our coaches and find out the arrangements for camps?
What if the district promised the coaches the camp money as part of their total compensation package to teach and coach at Springboro. The current coaches are receiving 80% of all camp moneys. Are they stealing from our kids also or is that the current arrangement?
poundsand

Dayton, OH

#30781 Feb 25, 2014
Wierd Findings wrote:
I have been checking on camps from other schools. Seams all the schools I check for camps is being paid directly to the head coaches. Are all coaches in Ohio just taking the money? Is it only wrong if you coach in Springboro and operate the exact same way other schools operate?
Have you checked to see how the big boys are doing things like Centerville, how do they manage their camps?
Does anyone know if there was a prearranged agreement with the district and the coaches?
Has anyone on this board tried to contact any of our coaches and find out the arrangements for camps?
What if the district promised the coaches the camp money as part of their total compensation package to teach and coach at Springboro. The current coaches are receiving 80% of all camp moneys. Are they stealing from our kids also or is that the current arrangement?
so... you've been checking camps from other schools and all the schools you checked the camp money is paid directly to coaches.

Please provide the names of the schools that do this.

Here is a weird finding... your spelling stinks
Yes Really

Springboro, OH

#30782 Feb 25, 2014
Wierd Findings wrote:
I have been checking on camps from other schools. Seams all the schools I check for camps is being paid directly to the head coaches. Are all coaches in Ohio just taking the money? Is it only wrong if you coach in Springboro and operate the exact same way other schools operate?
Have you checked to see how the big boys are doing things like Centerville, how do they manage their camps?
Does anyone know if there was a prearranged agreement with the district and the coaches?
Has anyone on this board tried to contact any of our coaches and find out the arrangements for camps?
What if the district promised the coaches the camp money as part of their total compensation package to teach and coach at Springboro. The current coaches are receiving 80% of all camp moneys. Are they stealing from our kids also or is that the current arrangement?
Yes, Really, it is now proven that coaches/boosters board officers were stealing.
That's just wrong and will not be tolerated in Springboro schools, regardless of how
other schools operate.

Based on the laws that we live under in the country, stealing money is illegal.

Based on justice for all, those who have broken the law should be held accountable for their actions; as it appears that the boosters treasurer is; sadly, it does appear that in Springboro, there are some who are greater lovers of sports/sports coaches than they are lovers of the greater good for all. Thus, those who do wrong, are enabled by false idol worship to continue....with no consequences at all.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30783 Feb 25, 2014
Wierd Findings wrote:
I have been checking on camps from other schools. Seams all the schools I check for camps is being paid directly to the head coaches. Are all coaches in Ohio just taking the money? Is it only wrong if you coach in Springboro and operate the exact same way other schools operate?
Have you checked to see how the big boys are doing things like Centerville, how do they manage their camps?
Does anyone know if there was a prearranged agreement with the district and the coaches?
Has anyone on this board tried to contact any of our coaches and find out the arrangements for camps?
What if the district promised the coaches the camp money as part of their total compensation package to teach and coach at Springboro. The current coaches are receiving 80% of all camp moneys. Are they stealing from our kids also or is that the current arrangement?
80% is a ridiculously large commission for selling to a captive audience.

If the camps were so incredibly special why would not a coach take them on the road and make that same $3-$10,000 per week all summer. A possible $100,000 per summer for doing what you love to do, who would not do that?

The answer is coaches who realize having to pay for any field or gym usage fees, liability insurance, marketing cost, or proper coaches would severely cut into their profits.

Also coaches who understand that they may possess limited drawing power outside of the school district in which they hold sway.

A head coach is paid to be a head coach via a supplemental contract that is one year in duration and is reconfirmed each year by the school board at their discretion.

A crucial part of building a winning program is the ability to nurture feeder programs that teach, year upon year, the correct way of doing things. This is so that by the time a kid hits high school, the basic foundational skills required are well entrenched.

If our coaches lack the ability or desire to perform this basic function of their job, it may be time to seek other coaches with more desire and interest.
Show me the money

Ostrander, OH

#30784 Feb 25, 2014
Wierd Findings wrote:
I have been checking on camps from other schools. Seams all the schools I check for camps is being paid directly to the head coaches. Are all coaches in Ohio just taking the money? Is it only wrong if you coach in Springboro and operate the exact same way other schools operate?
Have you checked to see how the big boys are doing things like Centerville, how do they manage their camps?
Does anyone know if there was a prearranged agreement with the district and the coaches?
Has anyone on this board tried to contact any of our coaches and find out the arrangements for camps?
What if the district promised the coaches the camp money as part of their total compensation package to teach and coach at Springboro. The current coaches are receiving 80% of all camp moneys. Are they stealing from our kids also or is that the current arrangement?
Did you check the Policies before writing your post?
http://www.neola.com/centerville-oh/ section 7510
http://www.neola.com/centerville-oh/ section 7530
http://www.neola.com/centerville-oh/ section 3231

At Centerville, the Superintendent has the authority to decide who can use their facilities and
equipment. Whoever is approved for use must provide their own liability insurance.
Per Section 3231, teachers/coaches are not allowed to use the facilities for a private business.

Perhaps someone should call the State Auditor on them.
Show me the money

Ostrander, OH

#30785 Feb 25, 2014
http://www.centerville.k12.oh.us/resourcesmod...

See PDF page 92 of 152

It looks like they are appropriately depositing the money into the "District Managed Student Services Fund", under "extracurricular activities" line item.

Hopefully the Coaches are depositing with the Treasurer. Although their PeeWee camp asks for payments to be made payable to the Coach.

http://www.elksfootball.com/wp-content/upload...

Quick, call the Auditor!
initiative

Springboro, OH

#30786 Feb 25, 2014
Show me the money wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you check the Policies before writing your post?
http://www.neola.com/centerville-oh/ section 7510
http://www.neola.com/centerville-oh/ section 7530
http://www.neola.com/centerville-oh/ section 3231
At Centerville, the Superintendent has the authority to decide who can use their facilities and
equipment. Whoever is approved for use must provide their own liability insurance.
Per Section 3231, teachers/coaches are not allowed to use the facilities for a private business.
Perhaps someone should call the State Auditor on them.
Possibly....

In the case of Springboro Boosters, the school district's treasurer was the one to first to call the State about the matter.

Just imagine how much money the families of student athletes in this community wouldn't have lost if someone in the community had detected foul play, and actually picked up the phone / email, and did something about it.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30787 Feb 26, 2014
Very interesting about what happens in Centerville, last time I checked however, we live in Springboro.

It matters not a bit what they do in other districts, this is like the people who say our abysmal math scores for our 8th graders taking the Ohio Achievement Assessment test are much better than kids in Youngstown.
As if scoring marginally better than some other failing district is a great coup.

The fact remains 4 out of 5 kids taking the OAA 8th grade math test score 75% and below. 4 out of 5 kids get D's or F's and according to the state archives this has been going on for the past decade.

The only place where we have the ability to impact test score outcomes in in our own back yard. We cannot control what occurs outside of our area of jurisdiction, but we can do something about our own issues.

What Centerville does or does not do has no bearing on what we choose do to in our community. The taxpayers of Springboro have no say in the operations in Centerville, just as the people in Centerville have no say in Springboro's choices.

To make arguments that the all of the other schools get to do it, is much like arguing with your young children.

Like Mom used to say, she did not care what other parents did, that was their choice and none of her business, but she did have a say over what her kids were going to do.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Springboro Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News The 25 Most Dangerous Cities in the U.S. Are Mo... (Nov '10) 7 min Buffalojimmy 20,099
why do white people smell like wet dogs? (Oct '14) Fri A Rope And A Tree 14
"Our Humvees are good and tough enough" Thu Leon Harrison 1
We have the urge to merge! Thu The Duke of Hazard 1
Today's Leon Harrison Quotation Thu Leon Harrison 31
News Dayton-area office targets $21 billion in work ... Aug 25 The Old Cold Warrior 1
"Michael Bloomberg 'FROM THE RIGHT'?!!!" Aug 25 Leon Harrison 1
More from around the web

Personal Finance

Springboro Mortgages