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perspective

Springboro, OH

#30226 Jan 27, 2014
"Springboro Community City Schools are closed Tuesday Jan 28th due to dangerous wind chill temperatutures."

What ever happened to common sense? What ever happened to the type of parents who's send their children off to school with hats, scarves and gloves in conditions like this? Oh! That's right! I almost forgot! Most of these parents are our grandparents and great-grandparents, They're nice and warm on the other side of the grass.
Boro isnt an Island

Springboro, OH

#30227 Jan 27, 2014
If you live under an illusion that Children First Education-types such as Kohls Rigano and Petroni are exclusive in Ohio.... guess again.

http://www.compareohioschools.org/About__Us_....
Wonder Why

Springboro, OH

#30228 Jan 28, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
I have looked and looked and cannot find where the top cap is on common core. I see it as a set of what kids across this country will learn at a minimum. I see no maximum in the system.
Doesn't it seem logical that children, regardless of where they are born, have access to the same (minimum) education as everyone else? Children can't control where they are born. By focusing in most of the curriculum we keep public schools from teaching other non-essential subjects.
So if anyone can show me in the common core where it tells me what's the MOST a child can learn, it would appreciate it.
It is agreed that "Children can't control where they are born."

Therefore, why do we label zip code 45066, as a rich school district that CAN afford to
pay More taxes so that Our highly paid School Athletic Director can hire additional staff (with our school tax dollars which are needed for classroom education to the benefit of all students)to be used instead to run an elite million dollar a year sports program?

Why do we have school employees running their mouths AGAINST Springboro Taxpayers for being TOO greedy to pass Increased Taxes school levies, so that Springboro Schools employees can be paid higher wages and compensation/benefits packages than school staff that work in zip code areas that educate children born in less wealthy communities?
Heres Why

Springboro, OH

#30229 Jan 28, 2014
Wonder Why wrote:
<quoted text>
It is agreed that "Children can't control where they are born."
Therefore, why do we label zip code 45066, as a rich school district that CAN afford to
pay More taxes so that Our highly paid School Athletic Director can hire additional staff (with our school tax dollars which are needed for classroom education to the benefit of all students)to be used instead to run an elite million dollar a year sports program?
Why do we have school employees running their mouths AGAINST Springboro Taxpayers for being TOO greedy to pass Increased Taxes school levies, so that Springboro Schools employees can be paid higher wages and compensation/benefits packages than school staff that work in zip code areas that educate children born in less wealthy communities?
Now that the 2013 negotiations are finished, Maney has shifted away from the previous focus of current employees pay / compensation. He's now focusing on attempting to re-establish a bunch of useless elective courses so that more teachers may be hired. Of couse, the hiring of more teachers will mean more working revenue for the SEA.

Why do we have school employees running their mouths? That's an excellent question! Quite a number of students at our schools would like to know the answer to this as well.
Wonder Why

Springboro, OH

#30230 Jan 28, 2014
Heres Why wrote:
<quoted text>
Now that the 2013 negotiations are finished, Maney has shifted away from the previous focus of current employees pay / compensation. He's now focusing on attempting to re-establish a bunch of useless elective courses so that more teachers may be hired. Of couse, the hiring of more teachers will mean more working revenue for the SEA.
Why do we have school employees running their mouths? That's an excellent question! Quite a number of students at our schools would like to know the answer to this as well.
Thank You for your help.

Wonder why there were no questions asked regarding increasing the graduation credit requirements, by adding two more electives?

Wonder why newly elected Board of Education President, Mr.Charles Anderson, appointed retired educator and former under-performing SHS principal, Ron Malone, to the very important Curriculum and Budget board committees? Wonder if Mr. Anderson is aware of the true history of Mr. Malone's past failed practices and Mr. Malone's leadership weaknesses; now proven by his misallocation of district and taxpayer resources, using our program of studies to run the high school like a union shop, making up classes with scant demand to ensure employment for those union teachers whose skills were not in demand?

Of course, taxpayers have no need to wonder why the hiring of more teachers producing more revenue for the SEA..... simply put, it's all about the more money the SEA teachers earn, the more union dues (from taxpayers pockets) are paid, benefitting the local, state, national education associations with NEW MONEY streaming into the pockets of "big union" politicians political campaigns.
banker

Dayton, OH

#30231 Jan 28, 2014
with all the "geniuses" here, why are there so few viable candidates for school board ? Scraping the bottom of the pot for the MSA group is a prime example of "how low can you go".
The More You Know

Maineville, OH

#30232 Jan 28, 2014
Wonder Why wrote:
<quoted text>
It is agreed that "Children can't control where they are born."
Therefore, why do we label zip code 45066, as a rich school district that CAN afford to
pay More taxes so that Our highly paid School Athletic Director can hire additional staff (with our school tax dollars which are needed for classroom education to the benefit of all students)to be used instead to run an elite million dollar a year sports program?
Why do we have school employees running their mouths AGAINST Springboro Taxpayers for being TOO greedy to pass Increased Taxes school levies, so that Springboro Schools employees can be paid higher wages and compensation/benefits packages than school staff that work in zip code areas that educate children born in less wealthy communities?
First, still no answer to : So if anyone can show me in the common core where it tells me what's the MOST a child can learn, it would appreciate it.

Second. If you haven't notice this is a country ran on capitalism. Therefore money talks. Ask your question of The Ohio state university. Sports teams bring in money and visibility (esp. football). As long as capitalism rules the day, this will be the case.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30233 Jan 28, 2014
Wonder Why wrote:
<quoted text>
It is agreed that "Children can't control where they are born."
Therefore, why do we label zip code 45066, as a rich school district that CAN afford to
pay More taxes so that Our highly paid School Athletic Director can hire additional staff (with our school tax dollars which are needed for classroom education to the benefit of all students)to be used instead to run an elite million dollar a year sports program?
Why do we have school employees running their mouths AGAINST Springboro Taxpayers for being TOO greedy to pass Increased Taxes school levies, so that Springboro Schools employees can be paid higher wages and compensation/benefits packages than school staff that work in zip code areas that educate children born in less wealthy communities?
Ask him where the $438,000 supposedly recovered by the boosters would be found?
That $438,000 is but the tip of the iceberg and represents monies the parents of athletes made up when the man who was supposed to be looking out for them failed in his duties as principal at the high school.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30234 Jan 28, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
First, still no answer to : So if anyone can show me in the common core where it tells me what's the MOST a child can learn, it would appreciate it.
Second. If you haven't notice this is a country ran on capitalism. Therefore money talks. Ask your question of The Ohio state university. Sports teams bring in money and visibility (esp. football). As long as capitalism rules the day, this will be the case.
All state and federal education programs attempt to set a bar minimum bar. Unfortunately for the children, too many administrators view this as the penultimate in regards to their performance as well.

Free advertising that is generated by successful athletic programs is the cheapest form of positive advertising a school can get. Of course nothing is free, and one look at the balance sheets of many successful programs makes one blush with the cost of free.
The More You Know

Maineville, OH

#30235 Jan 28, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
All state and federal education programs attempt to set a bar minimum bar. Unfortunately for the children, too many administrators view this as the penultimate in regards to their performance as well.
Free advertising that is generated by successful athletic programs is the cheapest form of positive advertising a school can get. Of course nothing is free, and one look at the balance sheets of many successful programs makes one blush with the cost of free.
Again (feeling repetitive) where does it state that their is a "top level" the student's can be taught? How does Common Core keep a certain district from excelling above the common core standard?

Successful athletic programs bring in money and notoriety to a school. This is the way a capitalist society works. The most money wins, you get what you pay for (unless you want to "jump the fence"). Some people look for a free ride. Like watching a football game from a hill instead of supporting their local athletic program.
The More You Know

Maineville, OH

#30236 Jan 28, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Ask him where the $438,000 supposedly recovered by the boosters would be found?
That $438,000 is but the tip of the iceberg and represents monies the parents of athletes made up when the man who was supposed to be looking out for them failed in his duties as principal at the high school.
Just curious, but where does it state that the athletic boosters fall under the supervision of the H.S. Principal? The Boosters support H.S. and J.H.S. teams.
HAHAHAHA

Springboro, OH

#30237 Jan 28, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Again (feeling repetitive) where does it state that their is a "top level" the student's can be taught? How does Common Core keep a certain district from excelling above the common core standard?
Successful athletic programs bring in money and notoriety to a school. This is the way a capitalist society works. The most money wins, you get what you pay for (unless you want to "jump the fence"). Some people look for a free ride. Like watching a football game from a hill instead of supporting their local athletic program.
You mean some people look for a free ride, like thieves who take money from others whose trust and confidence has been deceitfully won?

You mean like an under-performing high school principal gets elected to public office by name recognition in the community as being insanely popular?

Is that how the systems works?
HAHAHAHA

Springboro, OH

#30238 Jan 28, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Just curious, but where does it state that the athletic boosters fall under the supervision of the H.S. Principal? The Boosters support H.S. and J.H.S. teams.
Just curious, but is it not a proven fact that the Boosters Officer greed led him to support himself quite generously stealing money from the H.S. and J.H.S. teams?

Same old story of the Boosters just like in the Schools.

More Money Isn't Needed; Just More Accountability.
amen

Springboro, OH

#30239 Jan 29, 2014
perspective wrote:
"Springboro Community City Schools are closed Tuesday Jan 28th due to dangerous wind chill temperatutures."
What ever happened to common sense? What ever happened to the type of parents who's send their children off to school with hats, scarves and gloves in conditions like this? Oh! That's right! I almost forgot! Most of these parents are our grandparents and great-grandparents, They're nice and warm on the other side of the grass.
Wow! I didn't know 3 degrees F could make so much of a difference!

-6 F Tuesday........Springboro Schools are closed
-3 F Wednesday...Springboro Schools on 2 Hr Delay

I'd say it's time school district decision makers like Sprinboro's John Pennell begin to tune out the perennial wimps on the Weather Channel. When the schools are closed for nothing more than cold temperatures, what kind of example are we sending our kids? When the schools are closed for nothing more than cold weather, what kind of message are we sending to our children about potential lucrative lifelong careers as linemen, pipefitters, electricians, etc?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30240 Jan 29, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Just curious, but where does it state that the athletic boosters fall under the supervision of the H.S. Principal? The Boosters support H.S. and J.H.S. teams.
Springboro Policy #9210

Revised 8/10/93
Revised 11/28/06
Revised 3/27/07

Each parent and or support organization must obtain the approval of the Board as a prerequisite to organizing, and SHALL WORK within the appropriate school setting IN COOPERATION with the PRINCIPALS and other staff members and shall abide by the policies of the Board. Each group will submit its bylaws to the Superintendent or designee.

PRINCIPALS and staff members NEED TO WORK CLOSELY with the officers of all parent organizations to enhance the educational opportunities for students. The activities must be integrated and balanced in accordance with the total District educational program and District goals and objectives must comply with all State and local laws and regulations.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30241 Jan 29, 2014
Ask Mr. Malone why the Board that existed in 2006 felt the need to revise this policy that sat dormant for 13 years previous. And then again revise the policy 4 months later.

Most policy revisions are reactions to past offenses, I wonder what prompted this revisiting?

Principals need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations.....

Principals need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations......

Principals need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizatons.....

How close does a principal need to be working to avoid the loss of say $1,000,000 plus?

Apparently a lot closer.
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30242 Jan 29, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Springboro Policy #9210
Revised 8/10/93
Revised 11/28/06
Revised 3/27/07
Each parent and or support organization must obtain the approval of the Board as a prerequisite to organizing, and SHALL WORK within the appropriate school setting IN COOPERATION with the PRINCIPALS and other staff members and shall abide by the policies of the Board. Each group will submit its bylaws to the Superintendent or designee.
PRINCIPALS and staff members NEED TO WORK CLOSELY with the officers of all parent organizations to enhance the educational opportunities for students. The activities must be integrated and balanced in accordance with the total District educational program and District goals and objectives must comply with all State and local laws and regulations.
Nothing there says the principal has oversight of the organization. Only suggests the organization shall work in cooperation and "need to work closely".

Since the Athletic Boosters were raising money for both the H.S. and the J.H.S., wouldn't the J.H.S. pricipal be just as much at fault as the H.S. principal??
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30243 Jan 29, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing there says the principal has oversight of the organization. Only suggests the organization shall work in cooperation and "need to work closely".
Since the Athletic Boosters were raising money for both the H.S. and the J.H.S., wouldn't the J.H.S. pricipal be just as much at fault as the H.S. principal??
I agree whole heartedly, but the one who wants to be the big dog gets the most attention and credit when things go good or bad.

Principals need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations.....

Principals need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations......

Principals need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizatons.....

How close does a principal need to be working to avoid the loss of say $1,000,000 plus?

Apparently a lot closer.
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30244 Jan 29, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Ask Mr. Malone why the Board that existed in 2006 felt the need to revise this policy that sat dormant for 13 years previous. And then again revise the policy 4 months later.
Most policy revisions are reactions to past offenses, I wonder what prompted this revisiting?
Principals need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations.....
Principals need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations......
Principals need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizatons.....
How close does a principal need to be working to avoid the loss of say $1,000,000 plus?
Apparently a lot closer.
Can you read??

Principals AND STAFF MEMBERS need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations to enhance the educational opportunities for students.

Principals AND STAFF MEMBERS need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations to enhance the educational opportunities for students.

Principals AND STAFF MEMBERS need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations to enhance the educational opportunities for students.

Principals AND STAFF MEMBERS need to work closely with the officers of all parent organizations to enhance the educational opportunities for students.

The association raised funds for both High and Jr. High. Why no ire toward the Jr. High Prinicpal or any other STAFF MEMBERS.

The witch hunt is still on.
Waste Watchers

Springboro, OH

#30245 Jan 29, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing there says the principal has oversight of the organization. Only suggests the organization shall work in cooperation and "need to work closely".
Since the Athletic Boosters were raising money for both the H.S. and the J.H.S., wouldn't the J.H.S. pricipal be just as much at fault as the H.S. principal??
Let's Stay Focused on the proven faults of the man who led our school district as high school principal for 13 years, Ron Malone, who held a special place of trust, authority, and influence in our community. How he chose to use those gifts is revealed in the public records reports of his professional peer reviewers, his superiors, and his own public pronouncements.
Only Mr. Malone is at fault, and only Mr. Malone is to blame for his own misallocation of district and taxpayer resources; Only Mr. Malone is at fault and only Mr. Malone is to blame for his past failed leadership tactics, robbing resources from areas of greater need in the district, running the high school like a union shop, making up classes with scant demand to ensure employment for union teachers (the more union teachers employed; the more union dues are Paid).

Now that Mr. Malone is an elected BOE member, positioned to re-instate his status quo union first business as usual practices; making up classes to hire more teachers and ensure employment security of those teachers whose skills are not in demand, Springboro Families must stay alert to hold Mr. Malone accountable for Wasting our school tax dollars; and Only Mr. Malone will be to blame for his failed leadership when school district voters Just Say No to the proposed New Levy for Increased Taxes that Mr. Malone is delusional enough to think that he can shove down the throats of Springboro families.

People in this community should ask themselves WHY taxpayers should pick up the tab for classroom education credits that go beyond the requirements for High School graduation in Ohio? Is there any rational thinking in today's high cost of Education for any Elected Official in local government to manufacture "unmet needs" solely for the purpose of Overtaxing the community members; only for self-interest of growing bigger school government staff?

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