You obviously have not spent any time looking at the Common Core assessments. They are significantly harder than the OGT. Significantly.<quoted text>
How about a Drivers License,, whereby the state authorizes one to take control of 4000 lbs of steel and plastic at speeds that range upwards to 70 mph?
That is one test and the potential outcome of that test can be quite catastrophic.
How about your medical doctor's board exams, do you really want to give the the authority to operate on your child to a doctor that can't pass the professional standards test just because he has already been to school for many years?
Math is one of those subjects that gets built upon rather than destroyed by never ending new discoveries. Unlike science, which is perpetually proven incorrect as new discoveries emerge and we expand our knowledge base, math remains constant, 2+2=4.
The common core will not be any harder, if a child is taught and studies the text book then they will perform admirably. If we fail to teach the children the lessons that are laid out chapter by chapter in our text books, then you are correct, they will fail miserably.
The 8th grade may be the worst performing group on its state math test, but they reflect a culmination of succeeding years of benign neglect in the grades K-7. Mighty tough to attempt an academic reversal of the previous 8 years of learning in 187 days.
We need to raise the culture of expectations to levels that ignore what other schools are doing and do what is in the best interest of our children's future.
When I used to complain to my mother that "all the other kids' moms are letting them do it", she invariably replied she was NOT the other kids' mom and their moms were free to do whatever they wished, but her unmoving answer was still NO.
In hindsight, my parents, like most of parents, were much smarter than a fifth grader when it came to questions of life and consequences.
The time has come for us to start acting like parents and adults instead of making excuses that will neither shelter nor help our children face an increasingly diverse future.
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#30207 Jan 26, 2014
The WCESC came in a the request of Dr. Malone. The very document you are using to try to malign him is a strength in and of itself. He's clearly a man who constantly strives to be better. No one is perfect, and he welcomed to opportunity for suggestions on how he could become even better. You can't beat that. THAT is a leader. Even the man who wrote it agrees.
#30208 Jan 26, 2014
YOU talk to much. If you could learn to keep your comments to a minimum, maybe someone would listen. Doubtful, but maybe.
#30209 Jan 26, 2014
Educate yourself. More testing throughout the year is coming with the Common Core. Geez, it's hear to debate with someone who doesn't know much.
#30210 Jan 26, 2014
#30211 Jan 26, 2014
Sounds great, but that requires money. There is no way one teacher can effectively monitor growth and provide feedback on 150 students per day (when they see them for 50 minutes) if they are all doing completely different things. It's not a bad idea honestly - ON PAPER - but to do something like that would require significantly smaller classes, which means more teachers, which means more money, which you are against. I'm all for a complete revamping of the public school system, but that has a price tag - something you and yours are unwilling to provide. You want excellence? You want innovation? Then be willing to pay for it. I am. Don't try to tell me it doesn't require more money. It does.
#30212 Jan 26, 2014
No doubt about it, YOU need to learn more respect for differing opinions, or discipline yourself to stop trying to intimidate others into silence. Each time a mis-understanding is posted on this blog, the opportunity is open for those in the know to correct that mis-understanding.... And there you go..... The More You Know!
YOU sound like an impatient child with a short attention span; quite normal for a young child to have a short attention span and no maturity for patience; but no patience is due "they already hatched" who obviously thinks that community members should just shut up and vote yes.... and leave the increased taxing and over-spending to the Educators. Not A Chance (but chances are 100% that much will be posted on this blog about that)!
#30213 Jan 26, 2014
Thanks for additional insight. Can you help me better understand what you mean that
" it depends upon the will of the community to change things in a positive fashion that will benefit all children, not just a select few." That sounds like an Ideal, instead of a step by step plan.
Also, what do you mean by your statement "Change the culture to exceed not just meet the state mandates?" Do you believe that Todd Petrey's "District Goals" as presented on January 23 BOE work session agenda is "working toward changing the culture?"
Can you help me understand How the community can change the culture of learning when the State mandated Common Core implementation forces our schools to continue dumbing down expectations, giving up our LOCAL control over what our students learn; giving more and more control to Washington insiders?
These are questions and concerns that cannot be addressed by short questions, and answered in 25 words or less.....
#30214 Jan 26, 2014
The above posts states: The truth is we have much to do and it begins with the changing of a culture that is afraid to call a spade a spade.
Truth be told: Doesn't it really begin with the changing of the Springboro Parent's fear of confronting the union teacher in the classroom with educational concerns in the child's best interest for fear that the child will be negatively affected by the parent's confrontation?
The way I see it, this Springboro Community of Concerned taxpaying citizens has simply gone the extra mile, failing FIVE unnecessary School Tax Increases, in our never ending battle to change the CULTURE of forced unionism in Springboro Schools. This community is in for some Tough times ahead; and IF we care about the progress made in the last two years, we will keep on running our campaign against the pro-levy retired educators rallying the only message that the pro-levy union activists acknowledge -- NO NEW TAXES!
Simply Put, cut off the Money for the union and Change the Culture of forced unionism!
#30215 Jan 26, 2014
"What after all has maintained the human race on this old globe, despite all the calamities of nature and all the tragic failings of mankind, if not the faith in new possibilities and the courage to advocate them." -Jane Addams
#30216 Jan 26, 2014
Not willing to pay another penny in New school taxes! Don't even try telling me that YOU want to pay more... just put your money where your mouth is and donate whatever you can afford to give! Why do you and yours want to pay more money to the schools, but only if you and yours can force everybody else to match your increased taxes?
Don't you know that Springboro parents are already in debt for about $250,000 unpaid fees for their children; and if they don't pay the fees by January 31, there will be negative consequences? Do you and yours think these parents are willing to vote Tax Increases on their family homes, when they aren't even paying their school fees on time?
Don't try to tell me that the answer is more tax increases on Springboro families; because that is not the truth. The tax and spend principle of previous school boards have been tried and proven a failure several times.
#30217 Jan 26, 2014
Performance Index 2012-2013
The Performance Index measures the test results of every student, not just those who score proficient or higher. There are six levels on the index and districts receive points for every student in each of these levels. The higher the achievement level, the more the points awarded in the district's index. This rewards schools and districts for improving performance.
Ach. Level____% of Students_Points for Level_Points Received
Adv. Plus________0.5__________1.3__ ________0.6
89.1%(106.9 out of 120.0)
A = 90.0 - 100.0%
B = 80.0 - 89.9%
C = 70.0 - 79.9%
D = 50.0 - 69.9%
F = 0.0 - 49.9%
School Year Performance Index
2010 - 2011_______111.1
2011 - 2012_______110.2
2012 - 2013_______106.9
Notice a trend?
#30218 Jan 26, 2014
Any material on that test that is not in our text books?
Our children will not suddenly become dumber because the test is harder, they will remain the same reflection of the euphemistic education we have provided them.
All tests are hard if you have not bothered to prepare for the material to be covered.
#30219 Jan 26, 2014
There are many reasons why Ohio parents, teachers and ultimately lawmakers are concerned abut the adoption of Common Core. While the initial rationale for state to adopt the Common Core was to raise the bar for students, many respected education experts argue that the academic content standards in math and language arts are less than rigorous and the new teaching methods are sub-par. Common Core was hurriedly crafted, implemented and tied to a promise of grants through the "race to the top" program. But today, budgets at the state and local school district levels are faced with a multitude of expenses that exceed any federal dollars received.
Did you know that the movement to implement Common Core appears to be nothing more than a back-door attempt at a one-size-fits-all national education policy? If allowed to stand, state and local elected officials along with parents and teachers will essentially cede local control of curriculum and testing to unaccountable bureaucrats in Washing DC.
Do you know how our Springboro Schools district leaders stand on such a loss of local control to the federal government or any other consortium outside of Ohio?
Do you know how our Springboro Schools district leaders stand on implementing Common Core and these unproven national academic content standards, costly assessment schedules and invasive student tracking databases for Ohio schools?
#30221 Jan 27, 2014
Why Common Core Deserves More Scrutiny
Common Core History
2001 Ohio wrote original State Content Standards.
2007 Identified Ohio Standards as low, began review and overhaul
HB1 Passed in early 2009 adopting CC involvement. Strickland
2010, June, adopted Common Core. Ohio handed over its vested interest to the common good National Standards actors. States can now customize only 15% of thee standards. National assessments will not measure these 15%. Now a large body with minimal Ohio input is in control of Ohio Standards for English and Math.
June 2009 HB1 passed and in July 2009, Ohio RTTT application included commitment to "Rigorous" content standards, i.e. Common Core happened to fit the bill.
Assessments now MUST BE ALIGNED soOhio had to also commit to use Smarter Balance or PARRC. Ohio contracted with PARRC in 2011, which is funded by federal agencies.
TODAY, The Evidence on Common Core:
2010 Fordham Rates States Standards (paid $6 million in the last few years by the Gates Foundation)
Ratings of State standards: California, Indiana, District of Columbia = A
Tennessee, Texas and Massachusetts = A-
Common Core = B rating
Then why Common Core?
It's rated lower than at least 6 States?
If you agree that Springboro Families need to learn more about the "Culture" of Common Core, then please visit the website at
www.OSBLC.org for the information that you need to learn more.
#30223 Jan 27, 2014
Yes. It's not so much material-oriented. There are EXTREMELY high level questions and little (if any) that is rote. Teachers will be forced, yet again, to teach to the test. I'm not saying there isn't value in the tests. I'm saying that kids across the nation will do poorly until teachers have better training on the Common Core. A huge part of the problem is the state. They make decisions at the last minute, leaving schools scrambling.
#30224 Jan 27, 2014
Bovine Scatology, teach the material in the book, learn the material in the book, and the rest will easily take care of itself.
If we don't have teachers capable of teaching the material, get some who can, this isn't a social welfare agency we are running.
#30225 Jan 27, 2014
I have looked and looked and cannot find where the top cap is on common core. I see it as a set of what kids across this country will learn at a minimum. I see no maximum in the system.
Doesn't it seem logical that children, regardless of where they are born, have access to the same (minimum) education as everyone else? Children can't control where they are born. By focusing in most of the curriculum we keep public schools from teaching other non-essential subjects.
So if anyone can show me in the common core where it tells me what's the MOST a child can learn, it would appreciate it.
#30226 Jan 27, 2014
"Springboro Community City Schools are closed Tuesday Jan 28th due to dangerous wind chill temperatutures."
What ever happened to common sense? What ever happened to the type of parents who's send their children off to school with hats, scarves and gloves in conditions like this? Oh! That's right! I almost forgot! Most of these parents are our grandparents and great-grandparents, They're nice and warm on the other side of the grass.
#30227 Jan 27, 2014
If you live under an illusion that Children First Education-types such as Kohls Rigano and Petroni are exclusive in Ohio.... guess again.
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