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Hold On

Springboro, OH

#30204 Jan 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
If only you cared as much about our children's future as you do about nothing in particular.
Children who are passed on to the next level that can only score 32% on a basic state test are in dire need. To make light of this catastrophe for them is to minimize their plight and its entirely negative consequences.
"Humility is the only true wisdom by which we prepare our minds for all the possible changes of life." - George Arliss

Let's Hold on to what we've got and NEVER give it up to the retired educators on the board, Mr. Ron Malone and Mr. David Stuckey. The way I see it, our Springboro Families have got Three Friends in the board room--Mr. Charles Anderson, Mr. David Petroni, Mr.Jim Rigano--who DO care as much about our children's future, as our retired educators care about "giving it up" to Mr. Malone's major emphasis of putting our School Tax Dollar Value First on the ever-increasing demands of MORE SEA Wages and Compensation/Benefits packages; leading our school district BACKWARD in the direction of Malone's status quo "misallocation of district and taxpayer resources."

The way I see it, our Board of Education President, Mr. Charles Anderson, should be commended for his good judgment in the direction of opportunity for Everyone -- Our Students, Our School Employees, Our Community Taxpayers/Voters-- by naming retired educator, Mr. Ron Malone, to serve on the board Budget/Finance Committee alongside the financial-wise expertise and strong leadership of board member, Mr. David Petroni.

If Mr. Malone can acknowledge to himself that that his reputation of being insanely popular with the community, DOES NOT equal community-wide Popularity of the return of BOE promoting a continuous stream of unnecessary NEW school tax levy increases, then Mr. Malone can humble himself by striving beyond his tunnel vision, preparing his mind for our school district's new Vision of Reform necessary for survival in this complex, challenging and rapidly changing future of our children's 21st century classroom education with high Quality, Professional Educators on board, putting students first while maintaining fiscal integrity!

Hopefully, our Board of Education President, Charles Anderson understands that We the People do not like Surprises in our School Government Leadership (for example, the majority of community members were taken aback by Mr. Malone's "surprise" protest against board authority in March 2012, and even more surprised that Mr. Malone influenced his students to join in his self-interest protest against board authority). Therefore, people in this community should stay alert to what's happening NOW in the board room; and Stay in touch with Mr. Anderson reminding him that ALL board committee meetings must be open to the taxpaying citizens in this School district. Concerned citizens cannot allow our Two retired educators to meet in secret with our School Administrators; and then have our school "staff" bring their recommendations to the public board meetings, expecting the five board members to rubber stamp "everything" the Staff recommends, proposing that the board start emotionally blackmailing Springboro taxpayers to "invest" MORE in education IF we want more than state minimums for our schools.

People in this community should stay alert to Remind our board president that our board must stay on course with the progress made in the last two years, in the direction of sustainability for our children's future. Within the framework of our children first budget, we ARE meeting and EXCEEDING state mandates as well as local expectations. We ARE building a technology backbone, investing in computers, curriculum, buses and buildings-- WE ARE PUTTING CHILDREN FIRST. Most important, we are being honest about what is needed through 2017. This is REFORM at the local level, and this is working TOGETHER
(all FIVE board members) toward sustainability.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30205 Jan 26, 2014
Hold On wrote:
<quoted text>
. Within the framework of our children first budget, we ARE meeting and EXCEEDING state mandates as well as local expectations.
You had me until you made this statement. However much you desire to placate certain people, failing to call a spade a spade does nothing for anyone. Certainly not the students who pay the price for euphemistic phony olive branches.

The truth is we have much to do and it begins with the changing of a culture that is afraid to call a spade a spade.

We need in place a change of expectations that begins in first grade and moves in progressive waves throughout our district. This issue of dumbing down our curriculum and inflating grades based upon the amount of homework turned in is not providing our children with the essential education they will require to succeed in life.

If the current system was performing as expected you would see 80% of our 8th grades above the 75% mark instead of below it each year.

Change the culture to exceed not just meet the state mandates. Let children grow academically as quickly as they are able rather than by their chronological age. Provide a real accelerated program that allows those that can travel that path the opportunity to do so unfettered by those who cannot. Provide the ones who cannot the expertise to get them onto a faster track. That may mean getting rid of some of our "fun" electives to release the amount of resources needed to provide for a substantial basic education that actually results in knowledge for our children.

Once again, it depends upon the will of the community to change things in a positive fashion that will benefit all children, not just a select few.
They already hatched

Springboro, OH

#30206 Jan 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
How about a Drivers License,, whereby the state authorizes one to take control of 4000 lbs of steel and plastic at speeds that range upwards to 70 mph?
That is one test and the potential outcome of that test can be quite catastrophic.
How about your medical doctor's board exams, do you really want to give the the authority to operate on your child to a doctor that can't pass the professional standards test just because he has already been to school for many years?
Math is one of those subjects that gets built upon rather than destroyed by never ending new discoveries. Unlike science, which is perpetually proven incorrect as new discoveries emerge and we expand our knowledge base, math remains constant, 2+2=4.
The common core will not be any harder, if a child is taught and studies the text book then they will perform admirably. If we fail to teach the children the lessons that are laid out chapter by chapter in our text books, then you are correct, they will fail miserably.
The 8th grade may be the worst performing group on its state math test, but they reflect a culmination of succeeding years of benign neglect in the grades K-7. Mighty tough to attempt an academic reversal of the previous 8 years of learning in 187 days.
We need to raise the culture of expectations to levels that ignore what other schools are doing and do what is in the best interest of our children's future.
When I used to complain to my mother that "all the other kids' moms are letting them do it", she invariably replied she was NOT the other kids' mom and their moms were free to do whatever they wished, but her unmoving answer was still NO.
In hindsight, my parents, like most of parents, were much smarter than a fifth grader when it came to questions of life and consequences.
The time has come for us to start acting like parents and adults instead of making excuses that will neither shelter nor help our children face an increasingly diverse future.
You obviously have not spent any time looking at the Common Core assessments. They are significantly harder than the OGT. Significantly.
They already hatched

Springboro, OH

#30207 Jan 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Please provide us with alternate viewpoints on Mr. Malone's shortcomings and failures, as described by the Warren County Education Service Center in numerous audits of our program of studies and Mr. Gene Lolli, when he was superintendent.
Show us all where those people, who were professional peers of Mr. Malone, were incorrect in their assertions.
In case you have forgotten, this was written by the Warren County Education Service Center about Mr. Malone.
"Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that contrary to the High SchoolsThat Work philosophy, SHS believes that offering low level courses is in the best interest of students. This belief, however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED by research or data."
Were those actions in the best interest of the children or the high school administration?
The WCESC came in a the request of Dr. Malone. The very document you are using to try to malign him is a strength in and of itself. He's clearly a man who constantly strives to be better. No one is perfect, and he welcomed to opportunity for suggestions on how he could become even better. You can't beat that. THAT is a leader. Even the man who wrote it agrees.
They already hatched

Springboro, OH

#30208 Jan 26, 2014
You Need to Learn More wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU are WRONG to impose YOUR interpretation on the poster's point of view.
The Record speaks Truth and the Community was not "on" to Dr. Ron Malone's twisted
version of the real reasons that his professional superiors offered Dr. Malone the opportunity to ACCEPT greater responsibility as an employed educator working in District office to raise the bar for all our students and professional educators. Dr. Malone REFUSED this challenge; even though his professional peers and the Board of Education members RECOGNIZED that Dr. Malone did have the ABILITY to affect these needed education reforms in our local schools, as mandated by the State Department of Education.
Perhaps YOU recall that in March 2012 public board meetings that some of our professional educators mocked and jeered at Mr. Gunlock, who was a Special Guest speaker at Mr. Malone's Protest Rally Against Board Authority (who were only doing their job that this Community elected them to do).
You Need to Learn More about the Bad Behavior of our former SHS principal, Ron Malone, during the March 2012 protest AGAINST his superiors (including his boss and good friend Gene Lolli) and AGAINST the 2012 Board of Education members Scott Anderson, Don Miller, Kelly Kohls, David Petroni, and Jim Rigano.
You Need to Learn More about the Bad Behavior of our former SHS principal, Ron Malone, during the March 2012 protest AGAINST his superiors AND the Bad Influence that Ron Malone held over our SHS students by prompting our high school students to join him in his silly childish hissy fit, which Ron Malone threw community wide.
YOU were not present in my home when MY neighbor called ME to ask What was going on in the schools; because Ron Malone's Wife (isn't Sherri also employed by Springboro Taxpayers?) had called MY neighbor spreading lies that the board members were trying to push Ron out of his employment at our schools; and that Ron needed support from the community to join him in his protest against the board.
Are there NO expectations of ethical behavior from our school employees that our Springboro community members/taxpayers can expect from those School employees
who are generously supported by Taxpayers financial INVESTMENT in our children's future?
Is it not only the Right thing to do, but the civic-minded Responsibility of All Community members to continue questioning the judgment of board member Ron Malone, based on his true history of past failed practices to the detriment of our school children and community taxpayers?
There is Nothing Twisted About the Record that Speaks Truth; and Mr. Malone must be held accountable for his own Record for which he cannot Blame Springboro Taxpayers.
Not a Chance that Taxpayers are going to "Give It Up" to Ron Malone's poor judgment.
The "campaign" to Save Our Students First from board member Ron Malone's main concern to use our school tax dollars to put the re-emphasis on the financial gain of union employees
first.... has only just begun.
Springboro
YOU talk to much. If you could learn to keep your comments to a minimum, maybe someone would listen. Doubtful, but maybe.
They already hatched

Springboro, OH

#30209 Jan 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
So you believe we should take more throughout the year? That might not be a bad idea.
You are again correct and i concur completely, any child who receives 32% on a test is hardly PROFICIENT.
Educate yourself. More testing throughout the year is coming with the Common Core. Geez, it's hear to debate with someone who doesn't know much.
They already hatched

Springboro, OH

#30210 Jan 26, 2014
*hard
They already hatched

Springboro, OH

#30211 Jan 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
You had me until you made this statement. However much you desire to placate certain people, failing to call a spade a spade does nothing for anyone. Certainly not the students who pay the price for euphemistic phony olive branches.
The truth is we have much to do and it begins with the changing of a culture that is afraid to call a spade a spade.
We need in place a change of expectations that begins in first grade and moves in progressive waves throughout our district. This issue of dumbing down our curriculum and inflating grades based upon the amount of homework turned in is not providing our children with the essential education they will require to succeed in life.
If the current system was performing as expected you would see 80% of our 8th grades above the 75% mark instead of below it each year.
Change the culture to exceed not just meet the state mandates. Let children grow academically as quickly as they are able rather than by their chronological age. Provide a real accelerated program that allows those that can travel that path the opportunity to do so unfettered by those who cannot. Provide the ones who cannot the expertise to get them onto a faster track. That may mean getting rid of some of our "fun" electives to release the amount of resources needed to provide for a substantial basic education that actually results in knowledge for our children.
Once again, it depends upon the will of the community to change things in a positive fashion that will benefit all children, not just a select few.
Sounds great, but that requires money. There is no way one teacher can effectively monitor growth and provide feedback on 150 students per day (when they see them for 50 minutes) if they are all doing completely different things. It's not a bad idea honestly - ON PAPER - but to do something like that would require significantly smaller classes, which means more teachers, which means more money, which you are against. I'm all for a complete revamping of the public school system, but that has a price tag - something you and yours are unwilling to provide. You want excellence? You want innovation? Then be willing to pay for it. I am. Don't try to tell me it doesn't require more money. It does.
You Need to Learn More

Springboro, OH

#30212 Jan 26, 2014
They already hatched wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU talk to much. If you could learn to keep your comments to a minimum, maybe someone would listen. Doubtful, but maybe.
No doubt about it, YOU need to learn more respect for differing opinions, or discipline yourself to stop trying to intimidate others into silence. Each time a mis-understanding is posted on this blog, the opportunity is open for those in the know to correct that mis-understanding.... And there you go..... The More You Know!

YOU sound like an impatient child with a short attention span; quite normal for a young child to have a short attention span and no maturity for patience; but no patience is due "they already hatched" who obviously thinks that community members should just shut up and vote yes.... and leave the increased taxing and over-spending to the Educators. Not A Chance (but chances are 100% that much will be posted on this blog about that)!
Hold On

Springboro, OH

#30213 Jan 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
You had me until you made this statement. However much you desire to placate certain people, failing to call a spade a spade does nothing for anyone. Certainly not the students who pay the price for euphemistic phony olive branches.
The truth is we have much to do and it begins with the changing of a culture that is afraid to call a spade a spade.
We need in place a change of expectations that begins in first grade and moves in progressive waves throughout our district. This issue of dumbing down our curriculum and inflating grades based upon the amount of homework turned in is not providing our children with the essential education they will require to succeed in life.
If the current system was performing as expected you would see 80% of our 8th grades above the 75% mark instead of below it each year.
Change the culture to exceed not just meet the state mandates. Let children grow academically as quickly as they are able rather than by their chronological age. Provide a real accelerated program that allows those that can travel that path the opportunity to do so unfettered by those who cannot. Provide the ones who cannot the expertise to get them onto a faster track. That may mean getting rid of some of our "fun" electives to release the amount of resources needed to provide for a substantial basic education that actually results in knowledge for our children.
Once again, it depends upon the will of the community to change things in a positive fashion that will benefit all children, not just a select few.
Thanks for additional insight. Can you help me better understand what you mean that
" it depends upon the will of the community to change things in a positive fashion that will benefit all children, not just a select few." That sounds like an Ideal, instead of a step by step plan.

Also, what do you mean by your statement "Change the culture to exceed not just meet the state mandates?" Do you believe that Todd Petrey's "District Goals" as presented on January 23 BOE work session agenda is "working toward changing the culture?"

Can you help me understand How the community can change the culture of learning when the State mandated Common Core implementation forces our schools to continue dumbing down expectations, giving up our LOCAL control over what our students learn; giving more and more control to Washington insiders?

These are questions and concerns that cannot be addressed by short questions, and answered in 25 words or less.....
Just Asking

Springboro, OH

#30214 Jan 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
You had me until you made this statement. However much you desire to placate certain people, failing to call a spade a spade does nothing for anyone. Certainly not the students who pay the price for euphemistic phony olive branches.
The truth is we have much to do and it begins with the changing of a culture that is afraid to call a spade a spade.
We need in place a change of expectations that begins in first grade and moves in progressive waves throughout our district. This issue of dumbing down our curriculum and inflating grades based upon the amount of homework turned in is not providing our children with the essential education they will require to succeed in life.
If the current system was performing as expected you would see 80% of our 8th grades above the 75% mark instead of below it each year.
Change the culture to exceed not just meet the state mandates. Let children grow academically as quickly as they are able rather than by their chronological age. Provide a real accelerated program that allows those that can travel that path the opportunity to do so unfettered by those who cannot. Provide the ones who cannot the expertise to get them onto a faster track. That may mean getting rid of some of our "fun" electives to release the amount of resources needed to provide for a substantial basic education that actually results in knowledge for our children.
Once again, it depends upon the will of the community to change things in a positive fashion that will benefit all children, not just a select few.
The above posts states: The truth is we have much to do and it begins with the changing of a culture that is afraid to call a spade a spade.

Truth be told: Doesn't it really begin with the changing of the Springboro Parent's fear of confronting the union teacher in the classroom with educational concerns in the child's best interest for fear that the child will be negatively affected by the parent's confrontation?

The way I see it, this Springboro Community of Concerned taxpaying citizens has simply gone the extra mile, failing FIVE unnecessary School Tax Increases, in our never ending battle to change the CULTURE of forced unionism in Springboro Schools. This community is in for some Tough times ahead; and IF we care about the progress made in the last two years, we will keep on running our campaign against the pro-levy retired educators rallying the only message that the pro-levy union activists acknowledge -- NO NEW TAXES!

Simply Put, cut off the Money for the union and Change the Culture of forced unionism!
Just Keep Talking

Springboro, OH

#30215 Jan 26, 2014
They already hatched wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU talk to much. If you could learn to keep your comments to a minimum, maybe someone would listen. Doubtful, but maybe.
NEW POSSIBILITIES?

"What after all has maintained the human race on this old globe, despite all the calamities of nature and all the tragic failings of mankind, if not the faith in new possibilities and the courage to advocate them." -Jane Addams
You Need to Learn More

Springboro, OH

#30216 Jan 26, 2014
They already hatched wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds great, but that requires money. There is no way one teacher can effectively monitor growth and provide feedback on 150 students per day (when they see them for 50 minutes) if they are all doing completely different things. It's not a bad idea honestly - ON PAPER - but to do something like that would require significantly smaller classes, which means more teachers, which means more money, which you are against. I'm all for a complete revamping of the public school system, but that has a price tag - something you and yours are unwilling to provide. You want excellence? You want innovation? Then be willing to pay for it. I am. Don't try to tell me it doesn't require more money. It does.
Not willing to pay another penny in New school taxes! Don't even try telling me that YOU want to pay more... just put your money where your mouth is and donate whatever you can afford to give! Why do you and yours want to pay more money to the schools, but only if you and yours can force everybody else to match your increased taxes?

Don't you know that Springboro parents are already in debt for about $250,000 unpaid fees for their children; and if they don't pay the fees by January 31, there will be negative consequences? Do you and yours think these parents are willing to vote Tax Increases on their family homes, when they aren't even paying their school fees on time?

Don't try to tell me that the answer is more tax increases on Springboro families; because that is not the truth. The tax and spend principle of previous school boards have been tried and proven a failure several times.
The More You Know

Maineville, OH

#30217 Jan 26, 2014
Performance Index 2012-2013
The Performance Index measures the test results of every student, not just those who score proficient or higher. There are six levels on the index and districts receive points for every student in each of these levels. The higher the achievement level, the more the points awarded in the district's index. This rewards schools and districts for improving performance.

Ach. Level____% of Students_Points for Level_Points Received
Adv. Plus________0.5__________1.3__ ________0.6
Advanced________36.0__________ 1.2__________43.2
Accelerated_____30.8__________ 1.1__________33.9
Proficient______25.5__________ 1.0__________25.5
Basic__________5.3__________0. 6__________3.2
Limited__________1.8__________ 0.3__________0.5
Untested_________0.1__________ 0.0__________0.0
__________TOTAL:_106.9

89.1%(106.9 out of 120.0)

A = 90.0 - 100.0%
B = 80.0 - 89.9%
C = 70.0 - 79.9%
D = 50.0 - 69.9%
F = 0.0 - 49.9%

School Year Performance Index
2010 - 2011_______111.1
2011 - 2012_______110.2
2012 - 2013_______106.9

Notice a trend?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30218 Jan 26, 2014
They already hatched wrote:
<quoted text>
You obviously have not spent any time looking at the Common Core assessments. They are significantly harder than the OGT. Significantly.
Any material on that test that is not in our text books?

Our children will not suddenly become dumber because the test is harder, they will remain the same reflection of the euphemistic education we have provided them.

All tests are hard if you have not bothered to prepare for the material to be covered.
Stop Common Core

Springboro, OH

#30219 Jan 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
If history is an indicator, the 7th grade scores will find those passing ranging from 20-30% of the class.
Mr. Blakely, the principal at the junior high, has had only this year to implement changes to reverse this trend, but the truth is we are not doing as well as our stated 40% gifted population would suggest.
Mr. Blakely has a tendency to fall back on the "well we do better than other districts" excuse for our performance.
Unfortunately that does not prepare our children as adequately as we would hope for the future.
We have the resources, the students, the teachers, the administration, and the infrastructure to excel and set our own standard of educational excellence that reflects our community members' goals and expectations for our children.
The only question remaining is do we have the will to do what is right?
There are many reasons why Ohio parents, teachers and ultimately lawmakers are concerned abut the adoption of Common Core. While the initial rationale for state to adopt the Common Core was to raise the bar for students, many respected education experts argue that the academic content standards in math and language arts are less than rigorous and the new teaching methods are sub-par. Common Core was hurriedly crafted, implemented and tied to a promise of grants through the "race to the top" program. But today, budgets at the state and local school district levels are faced with a multitude of expenses that exceed any federal dollars received.

Did you know that the movement to implement Common Core appears to be nothing more than a back-door attempt at a one-size-fits-all national education policy? If allowed to stand, state and local elected officials along with parents and teachers will essentially cede local control of curriculum and testing to unaccountable bureaucrats in Washing DC.

Do you know how our Springboro Schools district leaders stand on such a loss of local control to the federal government or any other consortium outside of Ohio?

Do you know how our Springboro Schools district leaders stand on implementing Common Core and these unproven national academic content standards, costly assessment schedules and invasive student tracking databases for Ohio schools?
You Need to Learn More

Springboro, OH

#30221 Jan 27, 2014
Why Common Core Deserves More Scrutiny

Common Core History

2001 Ohio wrote original State Content Standards.

2007 Identified Ohio Standards as low, began review and overhaul

HB1 Passed in early 2009 adopting CC involvement. Strickland

2010, June, adopted Common Core. Ohio handed over its vested interest to the common good National Standards actors. States can now customize only 15% of thee standards. National assessments will not measure these 15%. Now a large body with minimal Ohio input is in control of Ohio Standards for English and Math.

June 2009 HB1 passed and in July 2009, Ohio RTTT application included commitment to "Rigorous" content standards, i.e. Common Core happened to fit the bill.

Assessments now MUST BE ALIGNED soOhio had to also commit to use Smarter Balance or PARRC. Ohio contracted with PARRC in 2011, which is funded by federal agencies.

TODAY, The Evidence on Common Core:
2010 Fordham Rates States Standards (paid $6 million in the last few years by the Gates Foundation)

Ratings of State standards: California, Indiana, District of Columbia = A

Tennessee, Texas and Massachusetts = A-

Common Core = B rating

Then why Common Core?

It's rated lower than at least 6 States?

If you agree that Springboro Families need to learn more about the "Culture" of Common Core, then please visit the website at
www.OSBLC.org for the information that you need to learn more.
They already hatched

Springboro, OH

#30223 Jan 27, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Any material on that test that is not in our text books?
Our children will not suddenly become dumber because the test is harder, they will remain the same reflection of the euphemistic education we have provided them.
All tests are hard if you have not bothered to prepare for the material to be covered.
Yes. It's not so much material-oriented. There are EXTREMELY high level questions and little (if any) that is rote. Teachers will be forced, yet again, to teach to the test. I'm not saying there isn't value in the tests. I'm saying that kids across the nation will do poorly until teachers have better training on the Common Core. A huge part of the problem is the state. They make decisions at the last minute, leaving schools scrambling.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30224 Jan 27, 2014
They already hatched wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. It's not so much material-oriented. There are EXTREMELY high level questions and little (if any) that is rote. Teachers will be forced, yet again, to teach to the test. I'm not saying there isn't value in the tests. I'm saying that kids across the nation will do poorly until teachers have better training on the Common Core. A huge part of the problem is the state. They make decisions at the last minute, leaving schools scrambling.
Bovine Scatology, teach the material in the book, learn the material in the book, and the rest will easily take care of itself.

If we don't have teachers capable of teaching the material, get some who can, this isn't a social welfare agency we are running.
The More You Know

Maineville, OH

#30225 Jan 27, 2014
You Need to Learn More wrote:
Why Common Core Deserves More Scrutiny
Common Core History.
I have looked and looked and cannot find where the top cap is on common core. I see it as a set of what kids across this country will learn at a minimum. I see no maximum in the system.

Doesn't it seem logical that children, regardless of where they are born, have access to the same (minimum) education as everyone else? Children can't control where they are born. By focusing in most of the curriculum we keep public schools from teaching other non-essential subjects.

So if anyone can show me in the common core where it tells me what's the MOST a child can learn, it would appreciate it.

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