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Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30185 Jan 25, 2014
Just a test wrote:
<quoted text>
There is SO much more to education than one test. The system for determining proficiency is flawed.
This is a basic test designed to see what our children know and don't know. In math there is only one answer at these levels that answers the question.

The state provides the students the formulas for the math tests as is evidenced by direction 3 of the test booklet.

3. Refer to the Mathematics Reference Sheet in your Student Test Booklet for mathematical formulas and expressions. You may remove this page from your Student Test Booklet.

(Children don't have to even know the formulas any longer, the state provides them as part of the test. Back in the day they teachers would have referred to that behavior as cheating and a slam at their individual teaching skill.)

The blueprint for the test construction may be found with the below link.

http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topic...

The 8th grade math test is composed of three sections of low, medium, and high degree of difficulty.

Low complexity questions account for 25-35% of your test points.
Low complexity questions requires recall of facts and definitions or performing routine, specified procedures.

Medium complexity questions account for 40-50% of your test points.
Medium complexity questions requires some interpretation or multi-step problem solutions.

High complexity questions account for 15-25% of your test points.
High complexity questions requires analysis of or justifying reasoning and solution for more complicated problem situations.

32 questions out of 38 are multiple choice.

I don't believe they are asking our children questions that are not covered in their text books.

Maybe if we just taught the material in the text books well, the test would take care of themselves.

Here is the link to the practice tests

http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topic...
The More You Know

Tipp City, OH

#30186 Jan 25, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Discussions are debates.
You've never discussed a subject with someone that you both held the same position on?

http://oregonstate.edu/oei/sites/default/file...

There is a difference.....
The More You Know

Tipp City, OH

#30187 Jan 25, 2014
Come Grow With Us wrote:
<quoted text>
You betcha "Not Here" in Boro will Ron Malone get a second chance to dumb down our curriculum, using our high school program of studies to make up classes with scant demand to ensure employment for those union teachers whose skills were not in demand.
Our former BOE president stated SEVERAL times that it's the BOE's responsibility to set the curriculum. Your ire should be placed where it belongs with the BOE that was in place AT THE TIME. I didn't know the H.S. principal held more power than the superintendent or the BOE.
The More You Know

Tipp City, OH

#30188 Jan 25, 2014
Apparently Unaware wrote:
<quoted text>
The more you write the less intelligent you appear. Did you notice any other offices up for election on the November ballot? You probably just dreamed you voted.
And exactly what other "elections" were discussed here?
You Need to Learn More

Springfield, OH

#30189 Jan 25, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Our former BOE president stated SEVERAL times that it's the BOE's responsibility to set the curriculum. Your ire should be placed where it belongs with the BOE that was in place AT THE TIME. I didn't know the H.S. principal held more power than the superintendent or the BOE.
Only Ron Malone is delusional enough to Think that he held more power than the superintendent or the BOE.

As proven in the true history of a man through official documents written by third party observers, Ron Malone as the SHS principal for thirteen years, did not hold more power than the superintendent or the BOE. Proven by Ron Malone's choice of behavior in March 2012,
Ron Malone's projected attitude only held more contempt, disrespect, disregard, and rude arrogance in violation of the authority of power held by the superintendent and the BOE.
Blah Blah Blah

Springfield, OH

#30190 Jan 25, 2014
They already hatched wrote:
<quoted text>
The chickens already hatched, your Tea Party is not in control anymore. Will they be again one day? I doubt it but who knows? For now, all my little chickens are very happy!
No doubt about it, alls "they already hatched" knows is the same old blah blah blah for
S-U-R-E.
The More You Know

Tipp City, OH

#30191 Jan 25, 2014
You Need to Learn More wrote:
<quoted text>
Only Ron Malone is delusional enough to Think that he held more power than the superintendent or the BOE.
As proven in the true history of a man through official documents written by third party observers, Ron Malone as the SHS principal for thirteen years, did not hold more power than the superintendent or the BOE. Proven by Ron Malone's choice of behavior in March 2012,
Ron Malone's projected attitude only held more contempt, disrespect, disregard, and rude arrogance in violation of the authority of power held by the superintendent and the BOE.
People on THIS board are the delusional ones. They are the ones that blame HIM for the curriculum. Thanks for proving my point. Anyone critiquing the curriculum should be putting the blame where it belongs (according to our former BOE president) and BLAME THE FORMER BOE.
Inform Yourself

Springfield, OH

#30192 Jan 25, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Our former BOE president stated SEVERAL times that it's the BOE's responsibility to set the curriculum. Your ire should be placed where it belongs with the BOE that was in place AT THE TIME. I didn't know the H.S. principal held more power than the superintendent or the BOE.
Upcoming parent meetings in our schools
There are several important meetings for parents coming up over the next few weeks.
Scroll down to learn about the meetings you might want to attend.

PULSE High School Parent Meeting
Monday, January 27 at 7 p.m.
SHS Library
SHS is starting a new group for parents and families. If you would like to know more about our high school program of studies or the PULSE parent group, please plan to attend this meeting on Monday, January 27 at 7 p.m. in the SHS Library.

6-8 Grade Math Parent Meeting
Wednesday, January 29 at 6 p.m.
Junior High Cafeteria
On January 29, there will be a DIGITS math parent meeting in the Junior High cafeteria from 6-7:30 p.m. for sixth through eighth grade parents. Please contact SI Principal Kyle Martin or JH Principal Jeff Blakley for more information.

"Media Tech Safety for Your Teen” Parent Workshop
Wednesday, January 29 from 6:30-7:30 p.m.
SHS Auditorium

SHS Course Registration Informational Meeting
for parents of ninth to eleventh grade students
February 3 from 6-7 p.m. in the SHS Auditorium

SHS Course Registration Informational Meeting
for eighth grade students and their parents
February 3 from 7-8 p.m. in the SHS Auditorium

Springboro Schools Preschool Meeting
February 6 at 6:30 p.m.
Clearcreek Elementary
For parents interested in learning more about our preschool
and the application process for 2014-2015.

PSEO Meeting
Wednesday, February 12 at 6 p.m.
SHS Auditorium
SHS will host a meeting for all students and parents interested in learning more earning college credit during high school through PSEO should attend the meeting on February 12 and talk to their guidance counselor.

Kindergarten Parent Meeting
February 26 at 6:30 p.m.
Clearcreek Elementary
For parents interested in learning more about our kindergarten program
and kindergarten registration.

Attention Parents:
School Fees are Past Due

If your child has unpaid school fees (and/or fines), there will be a student fee invoice in their report card today. Please make immediate payment via EZ-Pay or contact your building’s main office to make payment arrangements no later than January 31, 2014.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30193 Jan 25, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
You've never discussed a subject with someone that you both held the same position on?
http://oregonstate.edu/oei/sites/default/file...
There is a difference.....
Discussions with two sides of an issue are debates of points and counterpoints.

I make the assertion we can and must do better for the children, you make the assertion we can and must do better for the union.

Two distinctly different points of view brought forth in the forum we both enjoy.
They already hatched

Springfield, OH

#30194 Jan 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a basic test designed to see what our children know and don't know. In math there is only one answer at these levels that answers the question.
The state provides the students the formulas for the math tests as is evidenced by direction 3 of the test booklet.
3. Refer to the Mathematics Reference Sheet in your Student Test Booklet for mathematical formulas and expressions. You may remove this page from your Student Test Booklet.
(Children don't have to even know the formulas any longer, the state provides them as part of the test. Back in the day they teachers would have referred to that behavior as cheating and a slam at their individual teaching skill.)
The blueprint for the test construction may be found with the below link.
http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topic...
The 8th grade math test is composed of three sections of low, medium, and high degree of difficulty.
Low complexity questions account for 25-35% of your test points.
Low complexity questions requires recall of facts and definitions or performing routine, specified procedures.
Medium complexity questions account for 40-50% of your test points.
Medium complexity questions requires some interpretation or multi-step problem solutions.
High complexity questions account for 15-25% of your test points.
High complexity questions requires analysis of or justifying reasoning and solution for more complicated problem situations.
32 questions out of 38 are multiple choice.
I don't believe they are asking our children questions that are not covered in their text books.
Maybe if we just taught the material in the text books well, the test would take care of themselves.
Here is the link to the practice tests
http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topic...
You can't base anything on ONE test is my point. It's flawed enough that they're getting rid of it, Soon, the data that you're hanging your hat on will be antiquated. What then?

The common core tests are significantly harder. Pretty much every school's scores will plummet. Again, it's silly to base anything on one test. While I understand the need for a state or national test, I think it's silly for you to base so many things on it.
They already hatched

Springfield, OH

#30195 Jan 26, 2014
You Need to Learn More wrote:
<quoted text>
Only Ron Malone is delusional enough to Think that he held more power than the superintendent or the BOE.
As proven in the true history of a man through official documents written by third party observers, Ron Malone as the SHS principal for thirteen years, did not hold more power than the superintendent or the BOE. Proven by Ron Malone's choice of behavior in March 2012,
Ron Malone's projected attitude only held more contempt, disrespect, disregard, and rude arrogance in violation of the authority of power held by the superintendent and the BOE.
The poster's point is that if everything was so messed up, fault then lies with the BOE at the time, not Malone. All you are doing is blaming Malone for the bad and lauding the BOE for the good. Do you really think we're that stupid. This is exactly the kind of mind games KPR tried to pull. The community is on to your twisted version of reality. Give it up!!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30196 Jan 26, 2014
They already hatched wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't base anything on ONE test is my point. It's flawed enough that they're getting rid of it, Soon, the data that you're hanging your hat on will be antiquated. What then?
The common core tests are significantly harder. Pretty much every school's scores will plummet. Again, it's silly to base anything on one test. While I understand the need for a state or national test, I think it's silly for you to base so many things on it.
How about a Drivers License,, whereby the state authorizes one to take control of 4000 lbs of steel and plastic at speeds that range upwards to 70 mph?

That is one test and the potential outcome of that test can be quite catastrophic.

How about your medical doctor's board exams, do you really want to give the the authority to operate on your child to a doctor that can't pass the professional standards test just because he has already been to school for many years?

Math is one of those subjects that gets built upon rather than destroyed by never ending new discoveries. Unlike science, which is perpetually proven incorrect as new discoveries emerge and we expand our knowledge base, math remains constant, 2+2=4.

The common core will not be any harder, if a child is taught and studies the text book then they will perform admirably. If we fail to teach the children the lessons that are laid out chapter by chapter in our text books, then you are correct, they will fail miserably.

The 8th grade may be the worst performing group on its state math test, but they reflect a culmination of succeeding years of benign neglect in the grades K-7. Mighty tough to attempt an academic reversal of the previous 8 years of learning in 187 days.

We need to raise the culture of expectations to levels that ignore what other schools are doing and do what is in the best interest of our children's future.

When I used to complain to my mother that "all the other kids' moms are letting them do it", she invariably replied she was NOT the other kids' mom and their moms were free to do whatever they wished, but her unmoving answer was still NO.

In hindsight, my parents, like most of parents, were much smarter than a fifth grader when it came to questions of life and consequences.

The time has come for us to start acting like parents and adults instead of making excuses that will neither shelter nor help our children face an increasingly diverse future.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30197 Jan 26, 2014
They already hatched wrote:
<quoted text>
The poster's point is that if everything was so messed up, fault then lies with the BOE at the time, not Malone. All you are doing is blaming Malone for the bad and lauding the BOE for the good. Do you really think we're that stupid. This is exactly the kind of mind games KPR tried to pull. The community is on to your twisted version of reality. Give it up!!
Please provide us with alternate viewpoints on Mr. Malone's shortcomings and failures, as described by the Warren County Education Service Center in numerous audits of our program of studies and Mr. Gene Lolli, when he was superintendent.

Show us all where those people, who were professional peers of Mr. Malone, were incorrect in their assertions.

In case you have forgotten, this was written by the Warren County Education Service Center about Mr. Malone.

"Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that contrary to the High SchoolsThat Work philosophy, SHS believes that offering low level courses is in the best interest of students.­ This belief, however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED by research or data."

Were those actions in the best interest of the children or the high school administration?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30198 Jan 26, 2014
Just a test wrote:
<quoted text>
There is SO much more to education than one test. The system for determining proficiency is flawed.
So you believe we should take more throughout the year? That might not be a bad idea.

You are again correct and i concur completely, any child who receives 32% on a test is hardly PROFICIENT.
The More You Know

Tipp City, OH

#30199 Jan 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
So you believe we should take more throughout the year? That might not be a bad idea.
You are again correct and i concur completely, any child who receives 32% on a test is hardly PROFICIENT.
Yet still that child is just as PROFICIENT as you or educatespringboro are at backing BOE candidates!(That's not up for debate or discussion, as it is a fact. One you pointed out.) But I'm sure you'll come up with excuses and explanations as usual.
You Need to Learn More

Springfield, OH

#30200 Jan 26, 2014
They already hatched wrote:
<quoted text>
The poster's point
YOU are WRONG to impose YOUR interpretation on the poster's point of view.
The Record speaks Truth and the Community was not "on" to Dr. Ron Malone's twisted
version of the real reasons that his professional superiors offered Dr. Malone the opportunity to ACCEPT greater responsibility as an employed educator working in District office to raise the bar for all our students and professional educators. Dr. Malone REFUSED this challenge; even though his professional peers and the Board of Education members RECOGNIZED that Dr. Malone did have the ABILITY to affect these needed education reforms in our local schools, as mandated by the State Department of Education.

Perhaps YOU recall that in March 2012 public board meetings that some of our professional educators mocked and jeered at Mr. Gunlock, who was a Special Guest speaker at Mr. Malone's Protest Rally Against Board Authority (who were only doing their job that this Community elected them to do).

You Need to Learn More about the Bad Behavior of our former SHS principal, Ron Malone, during the March 2012 protest AGAINST his superiors (including his boss and good friend Gene Lolli) and AGAINST the 2012 Board of Education members Scott Anderson, Don Miller, Kelly Kohls, David Petroni, and Jim Rigano.

You Need to Learn More about the Bad Behavior of our former SHS principal, Ron Malone, during the March 2012 protest AGAINST his superiors AND the Bad Influence that Ron Malone held over our SHS students by prompting our high school students to join him in his silly childish hissy fit, which Ron Malone threw community wide.

YOU were not present in my home when MY neighbor called ME to ask What was going on in the schools; because Ron Malone's Wife (isn't Sherri also employed by Springboro Taxpayers?) had called MY neighbor spreading lies that the board members were trying to push Ron out of his employment at our schools; and that Ron needed support from the community to join him in his protest against the board.

Are there NO expectations of ethical behavior from our school employees that our Springboro community members/taxpayers can expect from those School employees
who are generously supported by Taxpayers financial INVESTMENT in our children's future?

Is it not only the Right thing to do, but the civic-minded Responsibility of All Community members to continue questioning the judgment of board member Ron Malone, based on his true history of past failed practices to the detriment of our school children and community taxpayers?

There is Nothing Twisted About the Record that Speaks Truth; and Mr. Malone must be held accountable for his own Record for which he cannot Blame Springboro Taxpayers.
Not a Chance that Taxpayers are going to "Give It Up" to Ron Malone's poor judgment.
The "campaign" to Save Our Students First from board member Ron Malone's main concern to use our school tax dollars to put the re-emphasis on the financial gain of union employees
first.... has only just begun.
Springboro
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30201 Jan 26, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet still that child is just as PROFICIENT as you or educatespringboro are at backing BOE candidates!(That's not up for debate or discussion, as it is a fact. One you pointed out.) But I'm sure you'll come up with excuses and explanations as usual.
If only you cared as much about our children's future as you do about nothing in particular.

Children who are passed on to the next level that can only score 32% on a basic state test are in dire need. To make light of this catastrophe for them is to minimize their plight and its entirely negative consequences.
Hold On

Springfield, OH

#30202 Jan 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
If only you cared as much about our children's future as you do about nothing in particular.
Children who are passed on to the next level that can only score 32% on a basic state test are in dire need. To make light of this catastrophe for them is to minimize their plight and its entirely negative consequences.
"Humility is the only true wisdom by which we prepare our minds for all the possible changes of life." - George Arliss

Let's Hold on to what we've got and NEVER give it up to the retired educators on the board, Mr. Ron Malone and Mr. David Stuckey. The way I see it, our Springboro Families have got Three Friends in the board room--Mr. Charles Anderson, Mr. David Petroni, Mr.Jim Rigano--who DO care as much about our children's future, as our retired educators care about "giving it up" to Mr. Malone's major emphasis of putting our School Tax Dollar Value First on the ever-increasing demands of MORE SEA Wages and Compensation/Benefits packages; leading our school district BACKWARD in the direction of Malone's status quo "misallocation of district and taxpayer resources."

The way I see it, our Board of Education President, Mr. Charles Anderson, should be commended for his good judgment in the direction of opportunity for Everyone -- Our Students, Our School Employees, Our Community Taxpayers/Voters-- by naming retired educator, Mr. Ron Malone, to serve on the board Budget/Finance Committee alongside the financial-wise expertise and strong leadership of board member, Mr. David Petroni.

If Mr. Malone can acknowledge to himself that that his reputation of being insanely popular with the community, DOES NOT equal community-wide Popularity of the return of BOE promoting a continuous stream of unnecessary NEW school tax levy increases, then Mr. Malone can humble himself by striving beyond his tunnel vision, preparing his mind for our school district's new Vision of Reform necessary for survival in this complex, challenging and rapidly changing future of our children's 21st century classroom education with high Quality, Professional Educators on board, putting students first while maintaining fiscal integrity!

Hopefully, our Board of Education President, Charles Anderson understands that We the People do not like Surprises in our School Government Leadership (for example, the majority of community members were taken aback by Mr. Malone's "surprise" protest against board authority in March 2012, and even more surprised that Mr. Malone influenced his students to join in his self-interest protest against board authority). Therefore, people in this community should stay alert to what's happening NOW in the board room; and Stay in touch with Mr. Anderson reminding him that ALL board committee meetings must be open to the taxpaying citizens in this School district. Concerned citizens cannot allow our Two retired educators to meet in secret with our School Administrators; and then have our school "staff" bring their recommendations to the public board meetings, expecting the five board members to rubber stamp "everything" the Staff recommends, proposing that the board start emotionally blackmailing Springboro taxpayers to "invest" MORE in education IF we want more than state minimums for our schools.

People in this community should stay alert to Remind our board president that our board must stay on course with the progress made in the last two years, in the direction of sustainability for our children's future. Within the framework of our children first budget, we ARE meeting and EXCEEDING state mandates as well as local expectations. We ARE building a technology backbone, investing in computers, curriculum, buses and buildings-- WE ARE PUTTING CHILDREN FIRST. Most important, we are being honest about what is needed through 2017. This is REFORM at the local level, and this is working TOGETHER
(all FIVE board members) toward sustainability.
Hold On

Springfield, OH

#30204 Jan 26, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
If only you cared as much about our children's future as you do about nothing in particular.
Children who are passed on to the next level that can only score 32% on a basic state test are in dire need. To make light of this catastrophe for them is to minimize their plight and its entirely negative consequences.
"Humility is the only true wisdom by which we prepare our minds for all the possible changes of life." - George Arliss

Let's Hold on to what we've got and NEVER give it up to the retired educators on the board, Mr. Ron Malone and Mr. David Stuckey. The way I see it, our Springboro Families have got Three Friends in the board room--Mr. Charles Anderson, Mr. David Petroni, Mr.Jim Rigano--who DO care as much about our children's future, as our retired educators care about "giving it up" to Mr. Malone's major emphasis of putting our School Tax Dollar Value First on the ever-increasing demands of MORE SEA Wages and Compensation/Benefits packages; leading our school district BACKWARD in the direction of Malone's status quo "misallocation of district and taxpayer resources."

The way I see it, our Board of Education President, Mr. Charles Anderson, should be commended for his good judgment in the direction of opportunity for Everyone -- Our Students, Our School Employees, Our Community Taxpayers/Voters-- by naming retired educator, Mr. Ron Malone, to serve on the board Budget/Finance Committee alongside the financial-wise expertise and strong leadership of board member, Mr. David Petroni.

If Mr. Malone can acknowledge to himself that that his reputation of being insanely popular with the community, DOES NOT equal community-wide Popularity of the return of BOE promoting a continuous stream of unnecessary NEW school tax levy increases, then Mr. Malone can humble himself by striving beyond his tunnel vision, preparing his mind for our school district's new Vision of Reform necessary for survival in this complex, challenging and rapidly changing future of our children's 21st century classroom education with high Quality, Professional Educators on board, putting students first while maintaining fiscal integrity!

Hopefully, our Board of Education President, Charles Anderson understands that We the People do not like Surprises in our School Government Leadership (for example, the majority of community members were taken aback by Mr. Malone's "surprise" protest against board authority in March 2012, and even more surprised that Mr. Malone influenced his students to join in his self-interest protest against board authority). Therefore, people in this community should stay alert to what's happening NOW in the board room; and Stay in touch with Mr. Anderson reminding him that ALL board committee meetings must be open to the taxpaying citizens in this School district. Concerned citizens cannot allow our Two retired educators to meet in secret with our School Administrators; and then have our school "staff" bring their recommendations to the public board meetings, expecting the five board members to rubber stamp "everything" the Staff recommends, proposing that the board start emotionally blackmailing Springboro taxpayers to "invest" MORE in education IF we want more than state minimums for our schools.

People in this community should stay alert to Remind our board president that our board must stay on course with the progress made in the last two years, in the direction of sustainability for our children's future. Within the framework of our children first budget, we ARE meeting and EXCEEDING state mandates as well as local expectations. We ARE building a technology backbone, investing in computers, curriculum, buses and buildings-- WE ARE PUTTING CHILDREN FIRST. Most important, we are being honest about what is needed through 2017. This is REFORM at the local level, and this is working TOGETHER
(all FIVE board members) toward sustainability.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30205 Jan 26, 2014
Hold On wrote:
<quoted text>
. Within the framework of our children first budget, we ARE meeting and EXCEEDING state mandates as well as local expectations.
You had me until you made this statement. However much you desire to placate certain people, failing to call a spade a spade does nothing for anyone. Certainly not the students who pay the price for euphemistic phony olive branches.

The truth is we have much to do and it begins with the changing of a culture that is afraid to call a spade a spade.

We need in place a change of expectations that begins in first grade and moves in progressive waves throughout our district. This issue of dumbing down our curriculum and inflating grades based upon the amount of homework turned in is not providing our children with the essential education they will require to succeed in life.

If the current system was performing as expected you would see 80% of our 8th grades above the 75% mark instead of below it each year.

Change the culture to exceed not just meet the state mandates. Let children grow academically as quickly as they are able rather than by their chronological age. Provide a real accelerated program that allows those that can travel that path the opportunity to do so unfettered by those who cannot. Provide the ones who cannot the expertise to get them onto a faster track. That may mean getting rid of some of our "fun" electives to release the amount of resources needed to provide for a substantial basic education that actually results in knowledge for our children.

Once again, it depends upon the will of the community to change things in a positive fashion that will benefit all children, not just a select few.

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