Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Springboro, OH

#30081 Jan 21, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
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This "commercial message" is brought to you by the Political Action Committee - Educate Springboro, because they want you to give them your money instead of giving it to CHILDREN FIRST (i.e. your tax dollars).
This is the same PAC that was behind (from the beginning of their campaign) the 2 candidates that did not make the vote for the BOE. Money given seems to be well spent!
The worst mistake this district could ever make would be ballooning the number of classes back to the irresponsible point it was prior to the arrival of KPR. In additition to being grossly under-attended, a lot of the cancelled courses had poorly constructed curricula. In the past, our kids have told us such classes serve as last minute "go-to's" for kids who feel they need to bail out of a class they're struggling with. Perhaps a higher percentage of Boro students will think about sticking it out, staying in their class, and seeking tutoring asisstance if so many less-than-useful "go to's" aren't available.
School District Voter

Springboro, OH

#30082 Jan 21, 2014
I would hope that each Parent who has a child enrolled in Springboro Schools would get informed, get involved, and stay engaged in the business of a quality classroom education due to each child in this district that our Springboro Taxpayers are already funding.
Contrary to the indoctrination of OSBA membership, our school district does not need more money; we need more accountability.

I would hope that our Springboro parents who don't just go along to get along, for S-U-R-E,
would get involved in the new parents group with the high school principal; attend the school superintendent's parent district council meeting (even if they are not the building principal's pick of two). I would hope that Springboro parents and all concerned citizens would stay alert and sound the alarm to our board president, Mr. Anderson, and our board vice-president, Mr. Malone, when we see our elected officials closing their minds to those of us reform-minded common sense voters. It is the responsibility of all five elected officials to listen to the needs of the school community, in addition to listening to their taxpaying constituents. It isn't an either/ nor/ or/ situation; It is a must that both sides (school employees and community taxpayers work together so that BOTH sides WIN on all issues (we know it can be done as proven by Increased pay for All School Employees and Reduced renewal levy taxes for all Springboro families). So why would educated Springboro families NOT fight mightily in opposition to passing a New Tax Increase on our family homes?

Contrary to Mr. Malone's biggest concern that our school tax dollars should be used to put the re-emphasis on the educator; I believe our biggest concern, community-wide, is staying on course in the direction of our school district's financial sustainability, working within the framework of our children first budget five year forecast through 2017, with no new money needed.

After the January 9th board meeting decisions that were made by our Three newly elected BOE officials, concerned citizens can clearly see the contrast between Mr. Anderson, Mr. Malone, and Mr. Stuckey AND Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano. It appears now that we do have the out of balance Three board members who are all about the work they do as OSBA members, working against our Two board members that are all about the work they have done and the progress made in the last two years.

We could say that our school community of employees and our community of taxpayers are now unevenly yoked, and since we are all fully vested in the interest of our education business in Springboro, we have to go along with each other; but with constant irritation and friction because common sense voters will not just go along to get along. There is greater division in our board room now than in 2007 when the LAST new money levy was passed.
And with board members who are honest with taxpayers about what is needed for a quality classroom education through 2017, there is NO reason for our new board members to propose that Increased Taxes are needed from Springboro taxpayers for many years to come.
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30083 Jan 22, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Spoken by someone who truly knows nothing of how business operates.
You're wrong. I work for a global company and have contact with several managers as well as attending seminars on the subject.

How can you say that giving someone a 5% raise is not cheaper than onboarding a new employee?

I can tell you a bad business decision, throwing money at signs and mailings that had NO bearing on the outcome of an election that could have been better spent (donated) elsewhere.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30084 Jan 22, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
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You're wrong. I work for a global company and have contact with several managers as well as attending seminars on the subject.
How can you say that giving someone a 5% raise is not cheaper than onboarding a new employee?
I can tell you a bad business decision, throwing money at signs and mailings that had NO bearing on the outcome of an election that could have been better spent (donated) elsewhere.
Dear Less You Know,

The more you write the more you illustrate how little awareness you possess in certain areas.

The fact that you work for a global company means what precisely to this conversation?
The fact that several managers speak with you on occasion offers what, your need for constant supervision? Attending seminars on what subject? Fortunately or unfortunately we cannot read your mind to ascertain of what you speak .

Your point of giving someone a raise does not in any way, shape, or form constitute a point for or against anything. It provides no background information with which to evaluate its relevance.

How someone wishes to expend their capital resources is for them to decide. Whether or not you agree or disagree with its use is of no consequence.

Thanks for writing.
Kohls on 700 WLW

Springboro, OH

#30085 Jan 22, 2014
The link below a Jan 21st half hour podcast featuring Springboro's Kelly Kohls on 700WLW-AM Marc Amazon show about fundamental issues with school boards in America's public schools.

http://www.700wlw.com/media/podcast-marc-amaz...

One of my favorite quotes from this interview....
"I didn't seek office as part of a popularity contest, I did it because I was going to be honest."
What a pity Mr. Malone cannot honestly make claim to this!
Get Real

Springboro, OH

#30086 Jan 22, 2014
Kohls on 700 WLW wrote:
The link below a Jan 21st half hour podcast featuring Springboro's Kelly Kohls on 700WLW-AM Marc Amazon show about fundamental issues with school boards in America's public schools.
http://www.700wlw.com/media/podcast-marc-amaz...
One of my favorite quotes from this interview....
"I didn't seek office as part of a popularity contest, I did it because I was going to be honest."
What a pity Mr. Malone cannot honestly make claim to this!
No pity party due Mr. Malone!

But honestly, isn't it time for concerned Springboro parents to make claim against Mr. Malone's dishonesty of spreading lies about Kelly Kohls, David Petroni, and Jim Rigano, throughout our schools, neighborhoods, and churches during his March 2012 Vote for Revenge against opening up his status quo leadership as SHS principal to the New Opportunities in service to our schools and community that were presented to him in the job offer to district office?

Isn't it time to start that petition signing of community members requesting that Mr.Malone
step down form board authority leadership; now that his True History as under-performing insanely popular principal proves that Mr. Malone refused to Stand Up for Students First, running our SHS like a union shop.

Inquiring minds question if our new board president, Mr. Anderson, actually supports Mr. Malone's dishonesty in leading our SHS students in a community-wide "Pity Party" protest against board authority in March 2012; as Mr.Malone dishonestly manufactured his false crisis of being victim of the Three BOE elected officials and our school district's new Vision of Reform for our 21st Century Students First Quality Classroom Education; as mandated by the State Department of Education?

The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30087 Jan 22, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Dear Less You Know,
The more you write the more you illustrate how little awareness you possess in certain areas.
The point is I have attended seminars, meetings, etc. They talk about or business (which is expansive on 3 continents) and the bottom line is that to cut employees is the main way for a company to save money. You know, downsizing. I am involved with everything from HR to AP and I hear the same thing over and over.

Exactly what is your expertise?

I would agree that one can do what they want with their money, by the same toke people should be allowed to vote and think the way they want without having the same old repetitive jargin that is posted on this site OVER AND OVER.

I still think you money would have been better spent elsewhere, it's my opinion and according to you, I'm entitled to it.
Do the Math

Springboro, OH

#30088 Jan 22, 2014
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
No pity party due Mr. Malone!
But honestly, isn't it time for concerned Springboro parents to make claim against Mr. Malone's dishonesty of spreading lies about Kelly Kohls, David Petroni, and Jim Rigano, throughout our schools, neighborhoods, and churches during his March 2012 Vote for Revenge against opening up his status quo leadership as SHS principal to the New Opportunities in service to our schools and community that were presented to him in the job offer to district office?
Isn't it time to start that petition signing of community members requesting that Mr.Malone
step down form board authority leadership; now that his True History as under-performing insanely popular principal proves that Mr. Malone refused to Stand Up for Students First, running our SHS like a union shop.
Inquiring minds question if our new board president, Mr. Anderson, actually supports Mr. Malone's dishonesty in leading our SHS students in a community-wide "Pity Party" protest against board authority in March 2012; as Mr.Malone dishonestly manufactured his false crisis of being victim of the Three BOE elected officials and our school district's new Vision of Reform for our 21st Century Students First Quality Classroom Education; as mandated by the State Department of Education?
Let me see, Dr. Malone, Mr. Stuckey and Mr. Anderson all received over 79% of the votes and you are talking about having a petition circulated to ask Dr. Malone to step down from the Board??? Are you crazy!?
The voters spoke - loudly and clearly! They wanted change, honesty, ethics, sound thinking and rational decisions! AND they got it with the three being elected!
Good luck to you and your 'petition'.
The Gannon FIle

Cincinnati, OH

#30089 Jan 22, 2014
Hey, vote down levies, so the kids become Purdue Shooters!
The More You Know

Springboro, OH

#30090 Jan 22, 2014
Do the Math wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me see, Dr. Malone, Mr. Stuckey and Mr. Anderson all received over 79% of the votes and you are talking about having a petition circulated to ask Dr. Malone to step down from the Board??? Are you crazy!?
The voters spoke - loudly and clearly! They wanted change, honesty, ethics, sound thinking and rational decisions! AND they got it with the three being elected!
Good luck to you and your 'petition'.
Only the insanely popular would call it crazy if voters demand that Mr. Malone step down because we don't think that he has applied honesty, ethics, sound thinking, and rational decisions "as the man who led our school district as high school principal for the past 13 years.... The More You Know about the True History of Mr. Malone's past failed practices and misallocation of district and taxpayer resources..... the more you know that Malone has to go....

It doesn't take luck..... it just takes "staying to the task" doing what's right for our school children and community.
All Done

Springboro, OH

#30092 Jan 22, 2014
Do the Math wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me see, Dr. Malone, Mr. Stuckey and Mr. Anderson all received over 79% of the votes and you are talking about having a petition circulated to ask Dr. Malone to step down from the Board??? Are you crazy!?
The voters spoke - loudly and clearly! They wanted change, honesty, ethics, sound thinking and rational decisions! AND they got it with the three being elected!
Good luck to you and your 'petition'.
All done with the math! Only thing proven is that Ron Malone can fool 79% of the people all the time during his Two Year Campaign Against Our School district's Vision of Reform, and win his vote for revenge school board election on his name recognition as being insanely popular in the community.

Mr. Malone did not win school board election on approval of his past poor performances as high school principal; because his true history was not on the ballot on November 5, 2013; only Ron Malone's name recognition; and we all know that just means "insanely popular."
dontcha love unionlogic

Springboro, OH

#30093 Jan 22, 2014
The Gannon FIle wrote:
Hey, vote down levies, so the kids become Purdue Shooters!
Thank you so much for these tremendous words o' wisdom. So sorry about your obvious inability to recover from being tossed out of Springboro High's debate club, oh so long ago.

Explaining the fallacy of faulty analogy...
http://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/f...
The More You Know

Springboro, OH

#30094 Jan 22, 2014
All Done wrote:
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All done with the math! Only thing proven is that Ron Malone can fool 79% of the people all the time during his Two Year Campaign Against Our School district's Vision of Reform, and win his vote for revenge school board election on his name recognition as being insanely popular in the community.
Mr. Malone did not win school board election on approval of his past poor performances as high school principal; because his true history was not on the ballot on November 5, 2013; only Ron Malone's name recognition; and we all know that just means "insanely popular."
Well said. And the people said Amen!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30095 Jan 23, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
The point is I have attended seminars, meetings, etc. They talk about or business (which is expansive on 3 continents) and the bottom line is that to cut employees is the main way for a company to save money. You know, downsizing. I am involved with everything from HR to AP and I hear the same thing over and over.
Exactly what is your expertise?
I would agree that one can do what they want with their money, by the same toke people should be allowed to vote and think the way they want without having the same old repetitive jargin that is posted on this site OVER AND OVER.
I still think you money would have been better spent elsewhere, it's my opinion and according to you, I'm entitled to it.
A business cannot "save" its way to prosperity, it must produce something that generates more than the sum of its raw materials cost.

The primary reason for downsizing the human resources is because these individuals are not needed for the efficient production of the company's product. Monies that could be better invested elsewhere in the company are simply reallocated to generate better returns to the bottom line. Or some companies simply become bloated on the HR side by changes in business situations, technology changes, or just getting too comfortable. Sooner or later the market will tell that company to adjust or die.

You are certainly entitled to you opinion, regardless of how ill informed it may be, and are free to ignore whatever information you wish.

If you would care to debate the points I have made regarding our school system, please feel free, I welcome the opportunity.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30096 Jan 23, 2014
Lets take a look at our progress in Mathematics. Let's look at the same class traveling from 3rd grade to 6th grade, these children are now in the 7th grade. Let's see what progress our students are making.

3rd Grade 2009-2010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 3rd grade
.
Limited.......... 14 Students
Limited..........definition--0 -24 correct answers =(0-46% correct)
.
Basic..........46 Students
Basic..........definition--25 - 32 correct answers =(48-62% correct)
.
Proficient........158 Students
Proficient.........definition- 33-41 correct answers =(63-79% correct)
.
Accelerated.....124 Students
Accelerated.....definition--42 -45 correct answers =(81-87% correct)
.
Advanced........124 Students
Advanced........definition--46 -52 correct answers =(88-100% correct)

.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......59 Students
Percentage of Students.....13% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......83 Students
Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........127 Students
Percentage of Students.....27% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........149 Students
Percentage of Students.....32% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....46 Students
Percentage of Students....10% receiving A

In 3rd grade we find

PASSING 75% or better - 69%

FAILING 74% and below - 31%
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30097 Jan 23, 2014
4th Grade 2010-2011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 4th grade
.
Limited.......... 8 Students
Limited..........definition--0 -16 correct answers =(0-31% correct)
.
Basic..........32 Students
Basic..........definition--17 - 24 correct answers =(33-46% correct)
.
Proficient........108 Students
Proficient.........definition- -25-36 correct answers =(48-69% correct)
.
Accelerated.....104 Students
Accelerated.....definition--37 -42 correct answers =(63-81% correct)
.
Advanced........176 Students
Advanced........definition--43 -52 correct answers =(83-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......104 Students
Percentage of Students.....24% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......76 Students
Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........93 Students
Percentage of Students.....22% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........98 Students
Percentage of Students.....23% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....57 Students
Percentage of Students....13% receiving A

In 4th grade we find

PASSING 75% or better - 58%

FAILING 74% and below - 42%
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30098 Jan 23, 2014
5th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 5th grade
.
Limited.......... 20 Students
Limited..........definition--0 -17 correct answers =(0-33% correct)
.
Basic..........35 Students
Basic..........definition--18 - 23 correct answers =(34-44% correct)
.
Proficient........107 Students
Proficient.........definition- -24-32 correct answers =(46-62% correct)
.
Accelerated.....76 Students
Accelerated.....definition--33 -37 correct answers =(63-71% correct)
.
Advanced........213 Students
Advanced........definition--38 -52 correct answers =(73-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......162 Students
Percentage of Students.....36% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......95 Students
Percentage of Students.....21% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........90 Students
Percentage of Students.....20% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........77 Students
Percentage of Students.....17% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....27 Students
Percentage of Students....6% receiving A

In 5th grade we find

PASSING 75% or better - 43%

FAILING 74% and below - 57%
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30099 Jan 23, 2014
6th Grade 2012-2013 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 5th grade
.
Limited.......... 14 Students
Limited..........definition--0 -14 correct answers =(0-26% correct)
.
Basic..........28 Students
Basic..........definition--14 - 19 correct answers =(28-38% correct)
.
Proficient........88 Students
Proficient.........definition- -20-29 correct answers =(40-58% correct)
.
Accelerated.....93 Students
Accelerated.....definition--30 -35 correct answers =(60-70% correct)
.
Advanced........245 Students
Advanced........definition--36 -50 correct answers =(72-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......71 Students
Percentage of Students.....19% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......96 Students
Percentage of Students.....25% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........99 Students
Percentage of Students.....26% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........72 Students
Percentage of Students.....19% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....40 Students
Percentage of Students....11% receiving A

In 6th grade we find

PASSING 75% or better - 56%

FAILING 74% and below - 44%
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30100 Jan 23, 2014
If history is an indicator, the 7th grade scores will find those passing ranging from 20-30% of the class.

Mr. Blakely, the principal at the junior high, has had only this year to implement changes to reverse this trend, but the truth is we are not doing as well as our stated 40% gifted population would suggest.

Mr. Blakely has a tendency to fall back on the "well we do better than other districts" excuse for our performance.

Unfortunately that does not prepare our children as adequately as we would hope for the future.

We have the resources, the students, the teachers, the administration, and the infrastructure to excel and set our own standard of educational excellence that reflects our community members' goals and expectations for our children.

The only question remaining is do we have the will to do what is right?
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30101 Jan 23, 2014
Same Bravo Sierra, Different day.

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