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Way down low in boro

Springboro, OH

#30062 Jan 17, 2014
Liar wrote:
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You're a liar.
My daughter was at the high school for this. It was a heartfelt farewell to a man those kids respect. You are lying to suggest otherwise. What is this SEA Youth Union garbage you keep making up? Those kids were genuinely sad to see him go (except Harper Kohls et. al.). They were not prompted to do it by anyone. Just because they supported someone you don't like doesn't mean they were forced to do it or that it was not genuine. Accept it: Ron Malone was a popular principal with both the students and staff because he is a good man and a good leader. Better than the 3 clowns in there now. Malone has earned more respect in this community than KPR combined. Quit lying - you look like an idiot, probably because you are.
aw come one now, just how low will Malone-lovers go to defend Malone's insane popularity with the SEA members/youth union activists pro-levy agenda of more-more-more increased pay and benefits for the union teachers indoctrinating our children in the classrooms?

Accept it: Ron Malone was a principal who was popular as a Yes-Yes Puppet Man with the Union classroom teachers who indoctrinated their students with a false praise and worship of Malone, inflating the old man's ego so that the SEA could strong arm Malone to bend to the will of status quo forced unionism.

Quit lying - stupid is as stupid does; not because stupid doesn't know to do better; nor have ability to do better; but because stupid has a lazy mind and body and chooses not to do any better than has been done in the past.

As for R-E-S-P-E-C-T....???? Malone will have to conjure up some for taxpayers in this school district before R-E-S-P-E-C-T can come back to him as an elected board representative. How do you phoney baloney Maloney worshippers think the old man is doing so far?
Pretty Bad

Lebanon, OH

#30063 Jan 17, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
(The way you present it only 3 in every 10 kids don't move to the next grade.)
If that is all that pass that is all that pass, are you advocating social promotions? If the kids don't learn the material in one grade how are they going to be able to learn the following year's material that depends upon them knowing the previous year's material. This sounds like a a downward spiral to me.
Show Us the Money

Lebanon, OH

#30064 Jan 17, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Where is the $438,000 that was supposedly recaptured?
Yes, where is the money, that is over half a million dollars, what happened to the recovered funds in the past year?
Stay Alert Voters

Springboro, OH

#30065 Jan 18, 2014
Lol wrote:
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Yes, thank you, Kelly, for deciding not to run for school board again!
You betcha for S-U-R-E that Lol thanks Springboro parent, Kelly, for deciding not to run for school board again! How else could old man Malone have won number two spot on November 5, 2013; and now how else could old man Malone have won number two spot on the board as vice-president; EXCEPT by pulling the strings of top vote getter in November, Charles Anderson, who is now Number One as Board President?

Yep! old man Malone has number two spot on the board now; riding the coat tails of board president Charles Anderson to reinstate malone's status quo; just like old man malone won his stinking success of November 2013 school board election; riding the coat tails of his March 2012 Vote for Revenge against school board authority, pressuring former BOE president Scott Anderson, to just ignore State Mandated education reforms for our students first 21st century classroom education; and just pound the president's gavel in the March 2012 public school board meeting declaring Welcome Back, Mr. Malone. We can now get back to business as usual (status quo).

Stay Alert Voters! Did anybody else out there in TV Land notice that on January 9 organization meeting that newly elected community business man, board member Charles Anderson, JOINED at the hip as a "threesome" with retired educators, Malone and Stuckey, to take THREE steps backward....... AWAY from our school district's progress made in the past two years putting students first while maintaining fiscal integrity while working within our children first budget five year forecast.... with NO NEW TAXES needed???
banker

Dayton, OH

#30066 Jan 18, 2014
heard that Scott Anderson sold out his share of Sweeney's, another Anderson failure in the restaurant business. And this guy was once president of the local school board ? This town can sure pick'em..
Waste Watchers

Springboro, OH

#30067 Jan 18, 2014
banker wrote:
heard that Scott Anderson sold out his share of Sweeney's, another Anderson failure in the restaurant business. And this guy was once president of the local school board ? This town can sure pick'em..
What a waste of people resources in that our current BOE president Charles Anderson has allowed himself to "picked" by the retired educators, Ron Malone and David Stuckey, to take up the same old Vote for Revenge fight against our Fixing Budgets/Levy Alternatives board members David Petroni and Jim Rigano!

You will recall that in March 2012, our previous school board members, Scott Anderson and Don Miller, joined ranks with the SEA president and the insanely popular SHS principal trying to overturn the free election of November 2011, and throw the Fixing Budgets/Levy Alternative winning agenda out of the board room.

You will remember that during Ron Malone's March 2012 protest against school board authority that a few professional educators and a few students and their parents lined up in the high school auditorium to accuse our newly elected board representatives of being unfit to do the job that the majority of Voters had elected them to do; telling our newly elected board members that that should get out of the way and let the "educators" run the school district.

People in this community should wake up and get themselves to the January 23 board meeting when several important board committee appointments will be made by the
Malone/Stuckey "third wheel" Mr. Charles Anderson, who proudly voted for himself on January 9 to become BOE president. Our retired educators elected to school board do not
add up to a majority of retired educators. Mr.Charles Anderson is bound by already in place Board Policy and by laws to represent the entire community of Taxpayers in the board room votes, in addition to listening to the school district leaders. There is no place in our board room for the tunnel vision of retired educators Malone/Stuckey and their status quo mindset that the board members PRIORITY is putting financial recommendations from the staff ahead of putting our students first while living within our children first budget.
Waste Watchers

Springboro, OH

#30068 Jan 18, 2014
People in this community have been alerted to Principal Ron's wasteful misallocation of district and taxpayer resources, running our SHS like a union shop, making up classes with scant demand to ensure employment for those whose skills were not in demand.

People in this community have been alerted to the wasteful practice
of David Stuckey as classroom teacher telling his students to read their books while he read his paper or reviewed his sports teams films; and rarely presenting curriculum, telling his students to shut up! that he was
on the phone and instead of teaching his content areas, just showed films during most class periods.

People in this community now get the picture that retired educators Malone and Stuckey just want to continue re-living their old status quo high school fun days now that these under-performer retired educators have been promoted by popular vote to the Springboro School Board of Education! What a Waste!

Wake up People! Think of these Words of Wisdom from Proverbs 16:18-19: Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30069 Jan 18, 2014
Show Us the Money wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, where is the money, that is over half a million dollars, what happened to the recovered funds in the past year?
I suggest we ask Mr. Anderson if he can find the answer to that vexing question.
Tick Tock

Springboro, OH

#30070 Jan 19, 2014
The clock is ticking toward the countdown in the Springboro Schools board room with president, Charles Anderson, in top-dog position, to bully three votes at a time our two board members (who stand strong for students first/fixing budgets/levy alternatives) out of influential board committee leadership. The alarm was sounded on January 9th when Mr.Anderson, Mr.Stuckey and Mr.Malone broke from precedence of the January 2012 organization board meeting, when our two new board members (David Petroni and Jim Rigano) respectively voted for the 2011 BOE vice president (Scott Anderson) was voted in as the 2012 BOE President. If you care about financial sustainability for the future of our schools and community, then you cannot afford to miss the January 23 board meeting, in which appointments will be made to our influential board committees. Please check the Springboro Schools website, click on the Board of Education heading, and see for yourself what actions are on the agenda.
Just a reminder that the education business in Springboro is all about Money and Power and who has control of both. Mr.Anderson, Mr.Stuckey and Mr. Malone greedily grabbed the Power of the Board on January 9th; and it appears that they now will grab control of school tax dollars by taking control of our budget/finance committee business.
Mr. Malone has stated in the 2013 Springboro Life Magazine; when asked "What do you think of the school board's direction?".....
..."the major concern I have with decisions being made out there is that the major emphasis seems to be on the physical part of education. There needs to be a re-emphasis on the value of the educator."
Wake Up People! The clock is ticking toward our next teachers negotiations contract; and it does appear that everything that Mr.Anderson, Mr. Malone, and Mr. Stuckey are doing in the board room is in the direction of putting a NEW Tax Increase Levy on the ballot to burden Springboro families with ever-increasing Wages and Compensation/Benefits packages for our school district's Union employees and school district Administrators (including the school superintendent).
Springboro Families and Taxpaying Homeowners need to be reminded of the words of our school superintendent, Todd Petrey, in the November 14, 2013 issue of Springboro Star Press:
This district has come a long way from the divisiveness of PAST levy campaigns, and we did so by listening to many voices and many perspectives. We hope you all will STAY INFORMED and INVOLVED.
As you know, great things happen in our schools each and every day. They happen because we work together--students, families, and parents, teachers and staff, and our community--on behalf of OUR STUDENTS. These are truly community schools, and that was reflected in the voters' approval of Issue 14. Again, thank you."
There is no place in our board room for Three newly elected board members (Mr.Anderson,Mr.Malone,Mr.Stuc key) to throw Our Children First under the bus (once again) just as our previous board members did prior to Springboro parent, Kelly Kohls, coming on board in January 2010. There is no place in our board room to re-instate Ron Malone's status quo "re-emphasis on the Educator" to the detriment of our students first safety and highest academic potential.... just as Ron Malone promoted as SHS principal running our high school like a union shop.
People in the community should Wake Up!
It has been said that "A Stitch in Time Saves Nine."
Time to get to that January 23 board meeting and make sure that our BOE Vice President, Ron Malone, does not get all these important board committees "all sewed up for expanding the big SEA union tent ... emotionally blackmailing Springboro Families for More, More More of our hard earned dollars for Mr.Malone's "main concern of putting the re-emphasis on the Educator."
Children First Budget Works..... in the direction of opportunity for ALL -- students, school employees, AND taxpaying voters in our school district.

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#30071 Jan 19, 2014
Wonder how long it will be before the union backed school board decides to screw the residents and put a new levy on the ballot.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30072 Jan 20, 2014
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/2013/06/17/gr...

Grading the Teachers: Little Connection Between Teacher Pay and Performance

JUNE 17, 2013 | 6:15 AM

BY MOLLY BLOOM AND PATRICK O'DONNELL
4 CommentsEmail

LYNN ISCHAY / THE PLAIN DEALER

"There is little connection between how much money Ohio teachers make and how much knowledge they impart to students over the course of a single year, according to a StateImpact Ohio/Plain Dealer analysis of a new measure of teacher performance.

In fact, that analysis of state data shows that within many school districts, teachers who received the lowest grade in a key aspect of teacher performance known as value-added are paid more on average than teachers who earned the highest grade.

In some ways, these results are no surprise: The way Ohio schools determine teachers’ salaries has nothing to do with how well they teach. It has everything to do with how long they’ve been teaching and whether they have a master’s degree.

But the StateImpact/Plain Dealer analysis quantifies the relationship between value-added and Ohio teachers’ pay. It also shows that older teachers in Ohio are paid significantly more than their younger colleagues but did not outperform them in the 2011-12 school year on value-added."

Perhaps we should begin looking at actual performance rather than longevity in a system which precludes firing.

Identifying, compensating, and retaining talented younger teachers will benefit our children much more than over compensating less skilled professionals that whose main claim to fame is length of service.

Our current system of pay discriminates against younger, less compensated employees in favor of older employees with more years of service. Any contract let will by necessity find that the majority of money available of increases is absorbed percentage wise by those making the most, typically those with the greatest number of years of service.

So while if everyone gets a 5% increase, those at the bottom of the pay scale find themselves with less than half the amount of money as those at the top of the pay scales, regardless of performance or ability.

It has become the time to rectify this situation and recognize talent where ever it is in our school system and reward it appropriately.
Educate Springboro

Springboro, OH

#30073 Jan 20, 2014
Educate Springboro is a group dedicated to providing accurate information, as well as advocacy, for fiscal responsibility plus innovation in our school and local government.

Fresh ideas have allowed our district to sustain itself in an uncertain economy with NO new money required. We will continue to challenge the status quo where need be .... And that is a GOOD thing!

If YOU agree with putting Children First, PLEASE join Educate Springboro's Work In Progress for a Brighter Future for Our School Children and Community......

Visit http://educatespringboro.org

Please show your support for Our Children First AND The Progress made in the past two years And Renewal Levy that saves Springboro Families $6.5 million! Please join us and Share this information with others who believe in supporting the amount of necessary taxation required to do the job correctly! Children First Budget Works!
I am impressed

Springboro, OH

#30074 Jan 20, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohi o/2013/06/17/grading-the-teach ers-analysis-shows-little-conn ection-between-pay-and-value-a dded-performance/
Grading the Teachers: Little Connection Between Teacher Pay and Performance
JUNE 17, 2013 | 6:15 AM
BY MOLLY BLOOM AND PATRICK O'DONNELL
4 CommentsEmail
LYNN ISCHAY / THE PLAIN DEALER
"There is little connection between how much money Ohio teachers make and how much knowledge they impart to students over the course of a single year, according to a StateImpact Ohio/Plain Dealer analysis of a new measure of teacher performance.
In fact, that analysis of state data shows that within many school districts, teachers who received the lowest grade in a key aspect of teacher performance known as value-added are paid more on average than teachers who earned the highest grade.
In some ways, these results are no surprise: The way Ohio schools determine teachers’ salaries has nothing to do with how well they teach. It has everything to do with how long they’ve been teaching and whether they have a master’s degree.
But the StateImpact/Plain Dealer analysis quantifies the relationship between value-added and Ohio teachers’ pay. It also shows that older teachers in Ohio are paid significantly more than their younger colleagues but did not outperform them in the 2011-12 school year on value-added."
Perhaps we should begin looking at actual performance rather than longevity in a system which precludes firing.
Identifying, compensating, and retaining talented younger teachers will benefit our children much more than over compensating less skilled professionals that whose main claim to fame is length of service.
Our current system of pay discriminates against younger, less compensated employees in favor of older employees with more years of service. Any contract let will by necessity find that the majority of money available of increases is absorbed percentage wise by those making the most, typically those with the greatest number of years of service.
So while if everyone gets a 5% increase, those at the bottom of the pay scale find themselves with less than half the amount of money as those at the top of the pay scales, regardless of performance or ability.
It has become the time to rectify this situation and recognize talent where ever it is in our school system and reward it appropriately.
In the past I've had two separate phone conversations with Molly Bloom. I've found her to be a breath of fresh air in her overall unbiasness in regard to this nation's education. Being so close to NPR, it would be so easy for her to sell out to the liberal agenda. So far, at least, it appears she's remaining true to a just conscience.
whatcha wanna bet

Springboro, OH

#30075 Jan 20, 2014
John Parise wrote:
Wonder how long it will be before the union backed school board decides to screw the residents and put a new levy on the ballot.
I'm placing my wager that this new board, which is controlled by liberal socialist idealism, is aiming for May 5th, 2015 as the target date that they'll attempt a useless additional-millage levy to begin pulling money out of our wallets so that they're completely free to reconstruct a new updated version of the Baker-Detwiller-SEA public manipulation Borg.
Now do you believe us

Springboro, OH

#30076 Jan 20, 2014
We've been trying to tell you that Anderson is not a fan of the KPR era. You kept trying to pretend that it was your side's idea to put him on the board. He campaigned with Malone and Stuckey for a reason. Now your posts suggest that you are realizing that Anderson will not be all that supportive of the pizza guys. Get it now?
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30077 Jan 21, 2014
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohi o/2013/06/17/grading-the-teach ers-analysis-shows-little-conn ection-between-pay-and-value-a dded-performance/
Grading the Teachers: Little Connection Between Teacher Pay and Performance
JUNE 17, 2013 | 6:15 AM
BY MOLLY BLOOM AND PATRICK O'DONNELL
4 CommentsEmail
LYNN ISCHAY / THE PLAIN DEALER
"There is little connection between how much money Ohio teachers make and how much knowledge they impart to students over the course of a single year, according to a StateImpact Ohio/Plain Dealer analysis of a new measure of teacher performance.
In fact, that analysis of state data shows that within many school districts, teachers who received the lowest grade in a key aspect of teacher performance known as value-added are paid more on average than teachers who earned the highest grade.
In order to TRUELY save money you ELIMINATE POSITIONS, anyone is business knows that. Paying a teacher more is FAR cheaper than hiring another one (no additional fringe).

I don't question the pay of the teachers, rather the number of teachers we have (teacher per pupil ratio). It's one of the reasons so many students are made to take study halls.

Not to mention lowering our criteria for the teachers we hire, as the previous BOE mentioned.
The More You Know

Dayton, OH

#30078 Jan 21, 2014
Educate Springboro wrote:
Educate Springboro is a group dedicated to providing accurate information, as well as advocacy, for fiscal responsibility plus innovation in our school and local government.
Fresh ideas have allowed our district to sustain itself in an uncertain economy with NO new money required. We will continue to challenge the status quo where need be .... And that is a GOOD thing!
If YOU agree with putting Children First, PLEASE join Educate Springboro's Work In Progress for a Brighter Future for Our School Children and Community......
Visit http://educatespringboro.org
Please show your support for Our Children First AND The Progress made in the past two years And Renewal Levy that saves Springboro Families $6.5 million! Please join us and Share this information with others who believe in supporting the amount of necessary taxation required to do the job correctly! Children First Budget Works!
This "commercial message" is brought to you by the Political Action Committee - Educate Springboro, because they want you to give them your money instead of giving it to CHILDREN FIRST (i.e. your tax dollars).

This is the same PAC that was behind (from the beginning of their campaign) the 2 candidates that did not make the vote for the BOE. Money given seems to be well spent!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30079 Jan 21, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
In order to TRUELY save money you ELIMINATE POSITIONS, anyone is business knows that. Paying a teacher more is FAR cheaper than hiring another one (no additional fringe).
I don't question the pay of the teachers, rather the number of teachers we have (teacher per pupil ratio). It's one of the reasons so many students are made to take study halls.
Not to mention lowering our criteria for the teachers we hire, as the previous BOE mentioned.
Spoken by someone who truly knows nothing of how business operates.

It is not how much you spend, but rather how much your receive in return for every dollar invested.

Paying too much is not guarantee of quality or value, just as the converse is true, paying too little is no guarantee of saving money or gaining value.

When I went to school we had consistently between 28 and 36 kids per class. The level of intelligence per class ran the gamut from not so bright to really sharp. The difference between then and now is the amount of actual work that was done each day, some teachers still abide by that model, many others seem to follow another path.

My son has a Spanish teacher who follows the former and expects her students to perform. She provides each parent a syllabus of this week's expectations. She was also the only teacher I noted who addressed the shorter teaching schedule and said this did not abrogate her responsibility to teach the entire curriculum in the time allotted. She said no time could be wasted and we had to make every minute count. And she has, near as I can tell.

This is an example of value and this woman should be paid more for the job she is doing.

On the flip side of the coin is the number of teachers who teach via worksheets and "group" study while they peruse their email and text messages or some other form of entertainment.
Or they show 4 or 5 movies, "Finding Nemo" or "The Day After Tomorrow" (Hollywood's take on climate change), further shortening the school year by 10 days a semester.

You could have 10 children or 40 in this class, the value return is the same, low.

If you disparage every teacher that is hired today as a chump, you do a disservice to all who are not, and they make up the bulk of new teachers hired.

One of the main reasons so many take an extra study hall at the high school is because we have failed to challenge them academically for so long they think that their senior year is for coasting home with little or no effort. This is a culture of failure that has been inculcated upon our children by years of an administration bent on making school "fun."

Why do we have a program that allows children to not take final exams if they so desire? Because it was about getting our attendance numbers up so we could ensure the flow of money from the state. We are reimbursed by the state based upon the number of students who come through our doors every day.

Who ever heard of allowing students to forgo the final exams to test their accumulated knowledge for the sake of attendance numbers?

Our schools have become for some large corporate, social welfare agencies designed to provide employment rather than educate our children.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#30080 Jan 21, 2014
Now do you believe us wrote:
We've been trying to tell you that Anderson is not a fan of the KPR era. You kept trying to pretend that it was your side's idea to put him on the board. He campaigned with Malone and Stuckey for a reason. Now your posts suggest that you are realizing that Anderson will not be all that supportive of the pizza guys. Get it now?
You ethnic slurs are rather endearing in white pillowcase hooded sort of way.

Mr. Anderson is still a business man with ethics, intelligence, and a level head.

Why would anyone not support such a man for a job that requires all three?

I would hope Mr. Anderson is for the best interests of all of our children and all of our community first and foremost.
reality

Springboro, OH

#30081 Jan 21, 2014
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
This "commercial message" is brought to you by the Political Action Committee - Educate Springboro, because they want you to give them your money instead of giving it to CHILDREN FIRST (i.e. your tax dollars).
This is the same PAC that was behind (from the beginning of their campaign) the 2 candidates that did not make the vote for the BOE. Money given seems to be well spent!
The worst mistake this district could ever make would be ballooning the number of classes back to the irresponsible point it was prior to the arrival of KPR. In additition to being grossly under-attended, a lot of the cancelled courses had poorly constructed curricula. In the past, our kids have told us such classes serve as last minute "go-to's" for kids who feel they need to bail out of a class they're struggling with. Perhaps a higher percentage of Boro students will think about sticking it out, staying in their class, and seeking tutoring asisstance if so many less-than-useful "go to's" aren't available.

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