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Reality Bytes

Springboro, OH

#29630 Dec 9, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
You must bathe in the Kool-Aid....
What in the world is this Kool-Aid, with which some on this blog seem to have flooded their blah blah blah minds?

Are you talking about the long ago news story of the Jim Jones
Cult, who got so wrapped up in their own tunnel vision that their false god "cult" leader was their only savior; and then this "insanely popular" false god led them out to find a new and "purer" world, where no "contaminated" outsiders were allowed;
and then fed them to death with his Kool-Aid poisoned "love potion" in revenge against his opposition that was coming after him to rescue the innocent little children under his evil spell; rather than acknowledge his crazed weaknesses and surrender his "insane popularity" that was all in his mind; and not reality at all?

... and No choice No debate?.... what's up with that senseless babble? No debate about it; independent thinkers and common sense voters ALWAYS have a choice to be "taken in" by deceitful insanely popular inept leaders... OR NOT!
Reality Bytes

Springboro, OH

#29631 Dec 9, 2013
Boro Alumni wrote:
<quoted text>
A public school is for the general public which consists of many people with many beliefs, or none at all, that all attend to receive education in various subjects. Because the public school is a government agency, run by public tax dollars, it must not promote one particular religion over others. A parent has the right to bring up their child in their own belief, it is not the responsibility of the public school to pick a particular religion to include in the curriculum. The church does not teach physics, biology, algebra, English literature, etc that students need to know. This is the job of the public school system. A parent can choose to homeschool or send their child to a charter school that is based in their religion, but again, it is the individual parents choice.
Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
Matthew 7:1-29
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother,‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye?"
Mark 12:31
The second is this:‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =x2xyrel-2vIXX
That is so funny and so Self-Serving for S-U-R-E!

It is ALSO written in 1 Peter 4:10:

"God has given each of you a gift from his great variety of
spiritual gifts. Use them well to serve one another."

No where in the good book is it written that IF you have been
given the gift of teaching to earn YOUR daily bread; that you should demand a second helping of dessert from Taxpayers tables, BEFORE you will agree to UTILIZE that gift to educate children enrolled in our public schools.

The current issue in our Springboro schools has nothing to do with the Bible, the US Constitution, and Neither Judgment nor Love of neighbor. None of these arguments are being being presented, nor heard, in our board room meetings in 2014, as our retired educators, Mr. Malone and Mr. Stuckey, come on board as only two of the five elected officials.

Education is all about money and power and who has control. Our community of taxpayers are now focusing on our responsibility in the board room, making sure that our retired educators do not force their chosen religion of Unionism down the throats of ALL free citizens in our community; as our former SHS principal, Ron Malone, forced upon our students, running our high school like a union shop, wasting taxpayers money by listening to recommendations from the union president to make up classes
(even though there was scant demand) to ensure employment for
more, more, more, union teachers, who in turn, would be forced
by Unionism to pay more, more, more in union dues... to the
school district, to the OEA, and to the NEA!

What a scam Mr. Malone had going for him! Is it any wonder that he threw a community wide temper tantrum when he was asked to UTILIZE his skills to better SERVE our students; choosing instead status quo business as usual, SERVING the greedy self-interest WANTS of the union masters?

No Debate About It. Mr. Malone will NOT have the luxury of
CHOOSING union first OVER our Students First, now that he is
under the scrutiny of transparency, accountable to ALL community taxpayers. Sounds to me that the beginning of the year signals the beginning of the campaign AGAINST the BOE retired educators to
"define the role of the board in the school system" receiving
RECOMMENDATIONS from Staff.... lol!
No debate means No choice

Xenia, OH

#29632 Dec 9, 2013
In the direction of being repetitive:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripol ...
The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion" (see the image on the right). This was not an idle statement meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.
Who were the Founding Fathers? American historian Richard B. Morris, in his 1973 book Seven Who Shaped Our Destiny: The Founding Fathers as Revolutionaries, identified the following seven figures as the "key" Founding Fathers:
John Adams
Benjamin Franklin
Alexander Hamilton
John Jay
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
George Washington
Of these, only John Jay can be considered an orthodox Christian. As Congress's Secretary for Foreign Affairs, he argued (unsuccessfully) for a prohibition forbidding Catholics from holding office. On October 12, 1816, Jay wrote, "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." It is John Jay that the modern Christians have in mind when they talk about the Founding Fathers. Luckily for the rest of us, and all freedom-loving Americans, he was not in the majority.
-http://freethought.mbdojo.com /foundingfathers.html
Get Real

Springboro, OH

#29633 Dec 9, 2013
Boro Alumni wrote:
<quoted text>
A public school is for the general public which consists of many people with many beliefs, or none at all, that all attend to receive education in various subjects. Because the public school is a government agency, run by public tax dollars, it must not promote one particular religion over others. A parent has the right to bring up their child in their own belief, it is not the responsibility of the public school to pick a particular religion to include in the curriculum. The church does not teach physics, biology, algebra, English literature, etc that students need to know. This is the job of the public school system. A parent can choose to homeschool or send their child to a charter school that is based in their religion, but again, it is the individual parents choice.
Then why all the corrupt talk about a school board member who chooses education for his children, other than the
hallowed halls of our government schools of forced unionism?

Then why all the protesting against even the discussion of the possibility in Springboro that some parents may want to consider a charter school sponsored by our local school? Remember that?

Then why all the statewide protesting of the Ohio E and A
AGAINST allowing parents choice of vouchers so that parents can afford the cost of enrolling their child in a religious based school?

Truth is the OEA has their own little "for profit" false religious cult set up in Ohio's public schools, with the blessings of the
state's old outdated collective bargaining rights laws; that
protects the status quo business as usual, making it legal to emotionally blackmail parents for increased taxes or else the
union teacher will walk out of our children's classrooms.

Truth is, Ron Malone's only agenda in the board room is to lead our school district finances into "false budget crisis" setting
up parents and taxpayers to fall for the union's demands for increased taxes in just about 18 months from now, when this new employment contract for teachers will be negotiated; or else,
the teachers will walk out! Don't be fooled by Malone's lies and deceit..that the board needs to put the re-emphasis on the increased dollar value of the educator; throwing the physical elements of education such as new buses and well maintained school facilites, Under the bus again... as in days of old.
Come Grow With Us

Springboro, OH

#29634 Dec 9, 2013
...in the direction of Beliefs Worth Living,
Keeping Our Springboro Schools and Community
Both SAFE and AFFORDABLE!

Look at Today and the Future! We Support the Progress Made in The Past Two Years!

WE BELIEVE over taxation of the taxpayers is wrong!

WE BELIEVE in supporting the amount of necessary taxation required to do the job correctly.

WE BELIEVE that excess tax money in any government body tends to inspire creative ways to spend that money.

WE BELIEVE transparency, from budgeting to policy formulation to meetings, leads to good governance in all levels of government.

WE BELIEVE in order to deliver the highest level of education we must raise the bar well past the state minimums and strive to
challenge our children, parents, and staff to reach higher. We can and must do better, our children's future depends on our actions today.

WE BELIEVE that allocating resources from areas of less demand to areas of greater demand is one common sense approach to resolving
needs in our schools. Federal and state mandates many preclude some reallocation, but we are still left with a sizable amount to influence.

WE BELIEVE that in order to take advantage of the higher level classes at the high school, more children must be put on that track at earlier
grade levels. We support Mr. Petrey's move towards emphasis on more development in the earliest grade levels. While not all children will eventually end in a calculus class in high school, we can certainly better prepare them all for post graduate success. And that benefits everyone.

WE BELIEVE that the future belongs to technology. It is absolutely essential that we recognize technology not as a means to an end, but as a
conduit through which knowledge flows. Much like the wires that flow to our houses bringing electricity, our technology investments are being
made to ensure the future flow of knowledge to our children.

WE BELIEVE that leveraging school fees, services, personnel decisions, safety, or infrastructure maintenance to threaten families in order
to influence regular or levy elections is wrong.

WE BELIEVE, as Mr. Petrey stated in the November 14, 2013 issue of Springboro Star Press, expressing Thanks to the Community for Passing
Renewal Levy:

This district has come a long way from the divisiveness of past levy campaigns, and we did so by listening to many voices and many perspectives.
We hope you all will stay informed and involved. As you know, great things happen in our schools each and every day. They happen because
we work together--students, families and parents, teachers and staff, and our community -- on behalf of our students. These are truly community schools, and that was reflected in the voters' approval of Issue 14.


No debate means No choice

Xenia, OH

#29635 Dec 9, 2013
Come Grow With Us wrote:
...in the direction of Beliefs Worth Living,
Keeping Our Springboro Schools and Community
Both SAFE and AFFORDABLE!
Look at Today and the Future! We Support the Progress Made in The Past Two Years!
WE BELIEVE you bathe in Kool-Aid....
Wednesday manifesto

Springboro, OH

#29636 Dec 9, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why all the corrupt talk about a school board member who chooses education for his children, other than the
hallowed halls of our government schools of forced unionism?
Then why all the protesting against even the discussion of the possibility in Springboro that some parents may want to consider a charter school sponsored by our local school? Remember that?
How does the subject of an individual's choice of schools for their children have anything to do with the subject of teaching creationism in public schools and the ramifications of such teachings on various non-Christain religious groups?

You distortion of this argument is described in this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

If this distortion was unintentional, you are still not without a certain measure of blame.

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored"
Aldous Huxley
Wednesday manifesto

Springboro, OH

#29637 Dec 9, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
In the direction of being repetitive:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripol ...
The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion" (see the image on the right). This was not an idle statement meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.
Who were the Founding Fathers? American historian Richard B. Morris, in his 1973 book Seven Who Shaped Our Destiny: The Founding Fathers as Revolutionaries, identified the following seven figures as the "key" Founding Fathers:
John Adams
Benjamin Franklin
Alexander Hamilton
John Jay
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
George Washington
Of these, only John Jay can be considered an orthodox Christian. As Congress's Secretary for Foreign Affairs, he argued (unsuccessfully) for a prohibition forbidding Catholics from holding office. On October 12, 1816, Jay wrote, "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." It is John Jay that the modern Christians have in mind when they talk about the Founding Fathers. Luckily for the rest of us, and all freedom-loving Americans, he was not in the majority.
-http://freethought.mbdojo.com /foundingfathers.html
During last month's election you and I weren't in the same corner, but regarding this area, we most definately are.
Just Asking

Springboro, OH

#29638 Dec 9, 2013
Duh wrote:
in your dreams its back to we the teachers know best Mr.Lolli s time here will be short Ron will see to that
<quoted text>
Well now, Duh... Are You suffering brain drain?

With no punctuation in your sentence, you are not making any sense.

Do you know that Mr. Lolli is no longer employed in Springboro schools?

You do know that it was in January, 2012, that Superintendent Gene Lolli's annual performance evaluation of Mr. Malone notes:

"Mr. Malone does demonstrate the ability to affect change, but sometimes very reluctantly. It sometimes takes numerous requests by Superintendent before changes are implemented."

"Mr. Malone needs to improve on getting request goals to the Superintendent in a timely fashion. Examples include: Requested schedule of events for delayed start at the beginning of the year, at semester, and last week and have not yet received. Also requested times and dates of all staff meetings and quarterly updates on the High Schools That Work per 2011-2012 job targets."

Don't you think that it will take numerous requests by Springboro Taxpayers in the board room to remind Malone that NOW is the time to CHANGE his status quo tunnel vision and get on board with our school district's reform minded vision, implemented by our current board's progress during the last two years?
Now That We Know

Springboro, OH

#29639 Dec 9, 2013
It doesn't take more money; It takes more accountability.
Mr. Malone reluctantly resisted accountability to his boss, Mr. Lolli, and ignored recommendations that could have raised the bar
for our students, and "it's all Malone's fault" that district and taxpayer resources were wasted, along with lost opportunity of individual higher academic achievement.
Public records (which are availabe to the public upon request)prove that Malone's poor job performance is most definitely "all Malone's fault." Whose else could it be?
Let's look at Today and the Future with new optomism that Mr. Malone can be led, by example of the other board members,to utilize his abilities putting students first while maintaining fiscal integrity.

It doesn't take more money; It takes more accountability. Board member-elect, Mr. Malone, is now accountable to the community of all taxpayers, to listen to the needs of our school community of employees, in addition to listening to the needs of our community as a whole.

The time has now come for Mr. Malone (and his campaign supporters) to leave behind the status quo failed practices of his PAST, running our SHS like a union shop, misallocating district and taxpayer resources. As just one member of a professional TEAM, can Mr. Malone get on board with our current board's reform minded vision for our children's 21st century education; OR will he continue behaving as a school yard bully out for revenge, pretending to be the "Victim", demanding constant attention of praise and worship for himself, as the insanely popular Ron Malone, who once was a high school princiPAL?
What a waste of 41 years of experience is that?
Spread the Great News

Springboro, OH

#29640 Dec 9, 2013
Springboro Taxpayers wrote:
We Believe over taxation of the taxpayers is wrong!
We Believe in supporting the amount of necessary taxation required to do the job correctly.
We Believe that excess tax money in any government body tends to inspire creative ways to spend that money.
We believe transparency, from budgeting to policy formulation to meetings, leads to good governance in all level of government.
We Support Mr. Petrey's Belief, as stated in the August 2012
DDN article....
"Where the board's at right NOW is wanting the highest academic achievement and fiscal responsibility," Petrey said, "That's what I stand for."
In the Star Press November 14, 2013, board member-elect Ron Malone said one of the goals while working on the board is to make sure student's educational needs are met, such as special needs and advanced students in a way that is fiscally responsible.
Our current board members (including David Petroni and Jim Rigano)
have worked tirelessly during the past two years, and now have built a financial foundation on the Principle of Fiscal Responsibility, putting students first, while maintaining fiscal integrity. The fear of change will not chase our community back into the darkness of previously failed practices. Now is the time for Ron Malone to get on board with our current board's reform minded Vision of our children's 21st century education! Let's
stay on this new course and move together in the direction of common sense leadership for our children, schools and community.
WE BELIEVE these beliefs are worth Repeating!

Spread the great news of good things happening in our school district: pay increases for every school employee; renewal levy that saves taxpayers $6.5 million; with NO NEW TAXES needed for
many year to come!

The budget through 2017 includes busing for all grades and a
program to spend more than $2.1 million on new buses; more than $2 million in textbooks and curriculum adoption; over $3.7 million in
capital needs and deferred maintenance; and more than $1l1 million in new technology; as well as our current staff salaries and benefits!

These needs are met in the five-year forecast even with the lower renewal levy! How is this possible?

Our district will receive 6.5% more in 2013-2014 than in the previous year from the State of Ohio (approximately $828,000) as well as 10.5% more in 2014-2015 (approximately $1.2 million).

Since 2012-2013, the district has received $3.5 million per year as a result of a pipeline that has been completed.

(A second pipeline is possible; however, the district's current forecast assumptions DO NOT include the additional funding it may bring to the district).

Efficiency plans, reallocating resources, and increased revenue make the lower renewal levy possible; While maintaining an approximate $4 million carryover in 2017, according to our current five-year forecast.

...and that is in the direction of sustainability while being
honest about what is needed through 2017! This is reform at the
local level, and this is Working for Our Students, Our Schools,
and Our Community!
Reality Bytes

Springboro, OH

#29641 Dec 9, 2013
Education is all about money and power and who has control. Our community of taxpayers are now focusing on our responsibility in the board room, making sure that our retired educators do not force their chosen religion of Unionism down the throats of ALL free citizens in our community; as our former SHS principal, Ron Malone, forced upon our students, running our high school like a union shop, wasting taxpayers money by listening to recommendations from the union president to make up classes (even though there was scant demand) to ensure employment for
more, more, more, union teachers, who in turn, would be forced by Unionism to pay more, more, more in union dues... to the school district, to the OEA, and to the NEA!

What a scam Mr. Malone had going for him! Is it any wonder that he threw a community wide temper tantrum when he was asked to UTILIZE his skills to better SERVE our students; choosing instead status quo business as usual, SERVING the greedy self-interest WANTS of the union masters?

No Debate About It. Mr. Malone will NOT have the luxury of CHOOSING union first OVER our Students First, now that he is under the scrutiny of transparency, accountable to ALL community taxpayers. It doesn't take more money, it takes more accountability.
The More You Know

Maineville, OH

#29642 Dec 9, 2013
Spread the Great News wrote:
<quoted text>
WE BELIEVE these beliefs are worth Repeating!
WE BELIEVE Kool-Aid will rot your teeth.
Substance VS Symbolism

Springboro, OH

#29643 Dec 10, 2013
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
WE BELIEVE Kool-Aid will rot your teeth.
Smart Voters KNOW that all you pro-levy lovers are ROTTEN way down to the soul with GREED, because the passing of the the reduced renewal levy has taken a BIG BITE out of the full plate of unionism's power and money in our Springboro schools!

Hooray for Us!

With every step.... with the help of our current board's common sense leadership in the direction of sustainability,

Common Sense Voters are PROVING that this district--with its record of excellence--is SUSTAINABLE with an even LOWER tax
burden! We are building a technology backbone, investing in computers, curriculum, buses and buildings! Special Thanks and
Appreciation are extended to our current board members and school district leaders for Reduced Renewal Levy that saves Taxpayers $6.5 million, fully supporting the progress made in the past two years AND our current five-year budget forecast, with NO NEW TAXES needed through 2017! WOW! What an amazing accomplishment, putting our students 21st century quality classroom education FIRST, while maintaining fiscal integrity within the framework of our children's first budget!

MOST IMPORTANT, Our current school board members, including David Petroni and Jim Rigano, are being HONEST about what is needed through 2017! This is reform at the local level, and this IS
working together toward sustainability!

When we combine common sense spending with the strong performance of our schools, we provide opportunities for everyone-- OUR Students, OUR Teachers, OUR Families, and OUR Community!
Wednesdsay manifesto

Springboro, OH

#29644 Dec 10, 2013
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
WE BELIEVE Kool-Aid will rot your teeth.
WE BELIEVE Spread The Great News ought to seriously consider taking a few days away from their computer keyboard to go Christmas shopping or skiing.
Substance VS Symbolism

Springboro, OH

#29645 Dec 10, 2013
The More You Know wrote:
<quoted text>
WE BELIEVE Kool-Aid will rot your teeth.
That's funny... and typical of your laughable "Red Ribbon" Symbolism!

"Humor is our way of defending ourselves from life's absurdities by thinking absurdly about them." - Lewis Mumford

But seriously... stay alert voters! Ron Malone's goal to INCREASE
TAXES for contract negotiations with the union (possibly in 18 months or so)... is NO laughing matter!

The HONEST truth is that Malone's goal of Increased Taxes, if
reached, will ROT a hole in the SUBSTANCE of the ever-so-thin
wallets of all Springboro Families and Taxpaying Homeowners!

...and that means re-instating Ron Malone's PAST failed practices of Misallocation of district and taxpayer resources!
Wednesdsay manifesto

Springboro, OH

#29646 Dec 10, 2013
Substance VS Symbolism wrote:
<quoted text>
Hooray for Repetition!
WE BELIEVE Substance VS Symbolism ought to seriously consider taking a few days away from their computer keyboard to go Christmas shopping or skiing.
Boro Future Brighter

Springboro, OH

#29647 Dec 10, 2013
Wednesdsay manifesto wrote:
<quoted text>
WE BELIEVE Substance VS Symbolism ought to seriously consider taking a few days away from their computer keyboard to go Christmas shopping or skiing.
Tis the season to spread The Good News of Love and Joy to the World; and the message of HOPE for a brighter future for all
individuals--All men, women, and children around the world, including Springboro Families!

The True message of SUBSTANCE of this Beautiful Season is "Go TELL It On The Mountain!"

As usual, some on this blog of the tunnel vision kind, preach empty SYMBOLISM of "Go Shop For A Mountain of Gifts" and "Don't Forget to Support ONLY the Union Label!"
Spread the Great News

Springboro, OH

#29648 Dec 10, 2013
Wednesdsay manifesto wrote:
<quoted text>
WE BELIEVE Spread The Great News ought to seriously consider taking a few days away from their computer keyboard to go Christmas shopping or skiing.
Spread the Great News "has been there, done that!"
Already shopped till we dropped for great Christmas gifts for family, friends, and those less fortunate ones among us;
getting more Bang for our hard-earned Buckes at our Wonderful
Non-Union local Wal-Mart retail and grocery stores!

Spread the Great News found great deals of canned goods and dry staples goods and were able to afford to purchase TWICE the amount of good food for Donations to our Springboro Community Assistance
center; lots of Toys for Tots for various community charity drives!

Just proves that it truly is more blessed to Give than to Receive; because we saved so much money on Christmas shopping for others; that we could afford to stop in for the pure luxury of that Second Cup of highly over-priced Starbucks Coffee!... and that means mmmm....
Life is Good... in the direction of common sense and beliefs worth living!
Spread the Great News

Springboro, OH

#29649 Dec 10, 2013
...in the direction of Beliefs Worth Living,
Keeping Our Springboro Schools and Community
Both SAFE and AFFORDABLE!

Look at Today and the Future! We Support the Progress Made in The Past Two Years!

WE BELIEVE over taxation of the taxpayers is wrong!

WE BELIEVE in supporting the amount of necessary taxation required to do the job correctly.

WE BELIEVE that excess tax money in any government body tends to inspire creative ways to spend that money.

WE BELIEVE transparency, from budgeting to policy formulation to meetings, leads to good governance in all levels of government.

WE BELIEVE in order to deliver the highest level of education we must raise the bar well past the state minimums and strive to
challenge our children, parents, and staff to reach higher. We can and must do better, our children's future depends on our actions today.

WE BELIEVE that allocating resources from areas of less demand to areas of greater demand is one common sense approach to resolving
needs in our schools. Federal and state mandates many preclude some reallocation, but we are still left with a sizable amount to influence.

WE BELIEVE that in order to take advantage of the higher level classes at the high school, more children must be put on that track at earlier
grade levels. We support Mr. Petrey's move towards emphasis on more development in the earliest grade levels. While not all children will eventually end in a calculus class in high school, we can certainly better prepare them all for post graduate success. And that benefits everyone.

WE BELIEVE that the future belongs to technology. It is absolutely essential that we recognize technology not as a means to an end, but as a
conduit through which knowledge flows. Much like the wires that flow to our houses bringing electricity, our technology investments are being
made to ensure the future flow of knowledge to our children.

WE BELIEVE that leveraging school fees, services, personnel decisions, safety, or infrastructure maintenance to threaten families in order
to influence regular or levy elections is wrong.

WE BELIEVE, as Mr. Petrey stated in the November 14, 2013 issue of Springboro Star Press, expressing Thanks to the Community for Passing
Renewal Levy:

This district has come a long way from the divisiveness of past levy campaigns, and we did so by listening to many voices and many perspectives.
We hope you all will stay informed and involved. As you know, great things happen in our schools each and every day. They happen because
we work together--students, families and parents, teachers and staff, and our community -- on behalf of our students. These are truly community schools, and that was reflected in the voters' approval of Issue 14.

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