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Come Grow With Us

Springboro, OH

#29324 Nov 20, 2013
....in the direction of sustainability!

We are NOW meeting and exceeding state mandates, as well as local expectations. We ARE building a technology backbone, investing in computers, curriculum, buses and buildings --

CHILDREN'S FIRST BUDGETING PUT OUR STUDENTS FIRST
WHILE MAINTAINING FISCAL INTEGRITY!

Most important, we ARE being honest about what is needed through 2017. This is REFORM at the local level, and this is working together toward
sustainability.
Come Grow With Us

Springboro, OH

#29325 Nov 20, 2013
...In the direction of trust!

As we seek to build confidence in our schools for everyone, others seek to build mistrust. From the outside, we've been labeled controversial.

Zero based budget and efficiency plans are not
controversial.

Buses that run and roofs that don't lead are not controversial.

Putting children first is reasonable, not controversial.

Where the integrity was not maintained from within, it is OUR right and OUR duty to rebuild
it together. We WILL continue to work in the
direction of confidence to restore integrity and trust in OUR SCHOOLS!
No debate means No choice

Xenia, OH

#29326 Nov 20, 2013
CELEBRATE OUR SUCCESS wrote:
Our Challenge is to Appreciate what we have, even without a
CRISIS to prompt us!
CONGRATULATIONS to our Students and Our Springboro High School Principal,Christine Daniel, for putting Students FIRST at the public school board meeting last night in her presentation of
achievement certificates and BORO PROUD recognition of
OUR STUDENTS and Their High ACT Scores!
....And That's A Great INVESTMENT IN OUR YOUNG PEOPLE'S
FUTURE!
You forgot to THANK THE TEACHERS. 50+ students scoring over a 30 is something to be proud of. Most of these kids were attending high school with Dr. Malone at the helm and Mr. Stuckey teaching and still they were able to overcome(lol). Tells you something about how some people have NO IDEA what they are talking about. Those numbers seem pretty PROFICIENT.
No debate means No choice

Xenia, OH

#29327 Nov 20, 2013
Come Grow With Us wrote:
....in the direction of sustainability!
We are NOW meeting and exceeding state mandates, as well as local expectations. We ARE building a technology backbone, investing in computers, curriculum, buses and buildings --
CHILDREN'S FIRST BUDGETING PUT OUR STUDENTS FIRST
WHILE MAINTAINING FISCAL INTEGRITY!
Most important, we ARE being honest about what is needed through 2017. This is REFORM at the local level, and this is working together toward
sustainability.
Our current employees are overworked (this was said by the board two meetings ago).

Overworked = understaffed.

Also, with someone on the board with a business background (at least that's what he ran on) and all the decisions about "children's first" budgeting that have been made the past 2 years, why do we suddenly need an advisor that has NEVER done this type of work in a school system before (by his own admittance)?

If "children's first" budgeting works, then why does it need a "booster shot" from an outside organization?

Why the reason for the Athletic department to get a cash advance? Why ask for another 1/2 an art teacher?

Seems as though the budget was cut a little to close for it's own "substainability".
spin doctor

Springboro, OH

#29328 Nov 20, 2013
The Record Speaks wrote:
2013 US NEWS ranking of high schools in Ohio ranks:
King's #23, Bellbrook #37,Brookville$41, Lebanon$48, Centerville $49, Waynesville #53, Monroe #90 and FINALLY Springboro ....#97!
Since you like to show where Springboro ranks amongst other local school districts, let's see what the per pupil spending is (per info from the Education Tax Policy Institute, in the DDN):

Kings -$8,738
Bellbrook -$8,000
Brookville -$7,863
Centerville -$9,888
Waynesville -$7,337
Springboro -$6,888
Lebanon -$6,862

Only one that is lower is Lebanon by $26. While I know most on here will argue that spending more money is not the answer...and I would tend to agree....you have to say there seems to be a correlation between money spent per pupil and rankings....if you believe these rankings to be true.

Since: Aug 09

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#29329 Nov 20, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
Our current employees are overworked (this was said by the board two meetings ago).
Overworked = understaffed.
Also, with someone on the board with a business background (at least that's what he ran on) and all the decisions about "children's first" budgeting that have been made the past 2 years, why do we suddenly need an advisor that has NEVER done this type of work in a school system before (by his own admittance)?
If "children's first" budgeting works, then why does it need a "booster shot" from an outside organization?
Why the reason for the Athletic department to get a cash advance? Why ask for another 1/2 an art teacher?
Seems as though the budget was cut a little to close for it's own "substainability".
OH boy, hear that sucking sound ? It's the surplus being used up as we speak.
Bleeding

Springboro, OH

#29330 Nov 20, 2013
spin doctor wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you like to show where Springboro ranks amongst other local school districts, let's see what the per pupil spending is (per info from the Education Tax Policy Institute, in the DDN):
Kings -$8,738
Bellbrook -$8,000
Brookville -$7,863
Centerville -$9,888
Waynesville -$7,337
Springboro -$6,888
Lebanon -$6,862
Only one that is lower is Lebanon by $26. While I know most on here will argue that spending more money is not the answer...and I would tend to agree....you have to say there seems to be a correlation between money spent per pupil and rankings....if you believe these rankings to be true.
Read the High School audits genius. Our High School has plenty of HS students that should be taking PSEO but they were discouraged. Our HS has plenty of AP courses but students were discouraged from taking them. The reason we rank so low is due to leadership and has nothing to do with money. Again spin doctor you are ignoring the facts. Even if it were a matter of money, Our district had plenty of money funneled to the adults. Maybe a few less pizza parties for the HS staff and a little more toward the kids or maybe employees should pay 35% of their health care like P&G now does then we would have enough money to actually send all kids to college. You adults siphon off all of the money leaving nothing for kids to learn. If you are not part of the solution you are a part of the problem.
spin doctor

Springboro, OH

#29331 Nov 20, 2013
Bleeding wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the High School audits genius. Our High School has plenty of HS students that should be taking PSEO but they were discouraged. Our HS has plenty of AP courses but students were discouraged from taking them. The reason we rank so low is due to leadership and has nothing to do with money. Again spin doctor you are ignoring the facts. Even if it were a matter of money, Our district had plenty of money funneled to the adults. Maybe a few less pizza parties for the HS staff and a little more toward the kids or maybe employees should pay 35% of their health care like P&G now does then we would have enough money to actually send all kids to college. You adults siphon off all of the money leaving nothing for kids to learn. If you are not part of the solution you are a part of the problem.
Name calling. So childish, but expected. How about refute the data presented? And if it were a "matter of money" as you say - why do the employees need to pay 35% of their health care? How does that help the children?
Spiteful Revengeful Ron

Springboro, OH

#29332 Nov 20, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot to THANK THE TEACHERS. 50+ students scoring over a 30 is something to be proud of. Most of these kids were attending high school with Dr. Malone at the helm and Mr. Stuckey teaching and still they were able to overcome(lol). Tells you something about how some people have NO IDEA what they are talking about. Those numbers seem pretty PROFICIENT.
"No debate means No choice" tells everyone on this blog a lot
about our spiteful, revengeful former SHS princiPAL, Ron Malone.
If he cares so much about our students, then why didn't he show
up last night for the celebration putting Students First?

Ms. Daniel was all about CELEBRATING OUR STUDENTS SUCCESS at
the presentation at last night's board meeting. There was no
room in our board room celebration of Students First for the
petty jealousy of teachers protesting "what about me" and Mr. Malone's "entitlement first" of praise and glory for himself.

There was PLENTY OF ROOM and enough BORO PRIDE for all the teachers AND former SHS princiPAL Ron Malone to join in the
applause and CONGRATULATIONS offered to OUR STUDENTS on this
ONE night of recognition in the board room for Students First.

Lesson here is that it is more blessed to GIVE than to RECEIVE.
If our Wonderful Teachers and our board member-elect Ron Malone
had "shown up" to give Applause and Recognition to the success of others, Then, they would have received the blessing of CELEBRATING OUR SUCCESS (which no debate means no choice is now trying to
"dumb-down" to Ron Malone's petty size... and that's just pathetic)!

No Worries

Springboro, OH

#29333 Nov 20, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
Our current employees are overworked (this was said by the board two meetings ago).
Overworked = understaffed.
Also, with someone on the board with a business background (at least that's what he ran on) and all the decisions about "children's first" budgeting that have been made the past 2 years, why do we suddenly need an advisor that has NEVER done this type of work in a school system before (by his own admittance)?
If "children's first" budgeting works, then why does it need a "booster shot" from an outside organization?
Why the reason for the Athletic department to get a cash advance? Why ask for another 1/2 an art teacher?
Seems as though the budget was cut a little to close for it's own "substainability".
... and the blah blah blah goes on. Guess small minds just can't
comprehend the GREATNESS of our Boro Future Brighter!
Upward Tornado

Miamisburg, OH

#29334 Nov 20, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot to THANK THE TEACHERS. 50+ students scoring over a 30 is something to be proud of. Most of these kids were attending high school with Dr. Malone at the helm and Mr. Stuckey teaching and still they were able to overcome(lol). Tells you something about how some people have NO IDEA what they are talking about. Those numbers seem pretty PROFICIENT.
Those numbers are beyond proficient. But, we don't look at just 50 kids to determine what is proficient, so cherry picking results doesn't help your argument. When you really think about it these 50 student skew the picture even more. Without them bringing up the average think about how 'proficient' things would really be. So yeah, thank the teachers. At the same time thank the 50 kids who, by the way would probably excel in any school, for making 'proficient' seem better than it really is.
The Record Speaks

Springboro, OH

#29335 Nov 20, 2013
spin doctor wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you like to show where Springboro ranks amongst other local school districts, let's see what the per pupil spending is (per info from the Education Tax Policy Institute, in the DDN):
Kings -$8,738
Bellbrook -$8,000
Brookville -$7,863
Centerville -$9,888
Waynesville -$7,337
Springboro -$6,888
Lebanon -$6,862
Only one that is lower is Lebanon by $26. While I know most on here will argue that spending more money is not the answer...and I would tend to agree....you have to say there seems to be a correlation between money spent per pupil and rankings....if you believe these rankings to be true.
Misallocation of district and taxpayer resources: 34 out of 77 elective classses at the high school had less than 30 students, more than a few had multiple classes. IE: Children's Literature,
2 classes - 27 total students, Entrepreneurship, 2 classes - 20 total students, etc., etc.

As the man who led our school district as high school principal for 13 years, Ron Malone held a special place of trust, authority, and influence in our community; now conclusions of his performance reviews which are open public records, prove that Mr. Malone ran this high school like a union sho, making up classes with scant demand to ensure employment for those whose skills were not in demand. This tactic robbed resources from areas of greater need in the district. Thos who suffered the most were the gifted and those in need of early intervention.

Mr. Malone has only been retired since June 30, 2013, and
we are already on our way putting our students first with our school tax dollars...

Number of Dual College Credit Classes availabel when Mr. Malone retired - 0 -

Number of Dual College Credit Classes added AFTER Mr. Malone retired June 30, 2013 - 6 -
alread
jumpin jack flash

Dayton, OH

#29336 Nov 20, 2013
spin doctor wrote:
<quoted text>
Name calling. So childish, but expected. How about refute the data presented? And if it were a "matter of money" as you say - why do the employees need to pay 35% of their health care? How does that help the children?
only 35%? why ? maybe because most hard working people, other than teachers do. R u saying teachers are better than the rest of us ?
spin doctor

Springboro, OH

#29337 Nov 20, 2013
jumpin jack flash wrote:
<quoted text>
only 35%? why ? maybe because most hard working people, other than teachers do. R u saying teachers are better than the rest of us ?
Better than the rest of us? Charging someone 15%, 20% or 35% for their share of health insurance does not make someone more or less "better" than someone else.

I was merely challenging the person who posted that employees should be charged 35% of their health insurance and wondered how that benefitted the children? No answer of course, just the same old talking points that were old two weeks ago.
jumpin jack flash

Dayton, OH

#29338 Nov 20, 2013
spin doctor wrote:
<quoted text>
Better than the rest of us? Charging someone 15%, 20% or 35% for their share of health insurance does not make someone more or less "better" than someone else.
I was merely challenging the person who posted that employees should be charged 35% of their health insurance and wondered how that benefitted the children? No answer of course, just the same old talking points that were old two weeks ago.
You are implying that they shouldn't have to pay the going rates for non school union employees.
Bull

Springboro, OH

#29339 Nov 20, 2013
Bleeding wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the High School audits genius. Our High School has plenty of HS students that should be taking PSEO but they were discouraged. Our HS has plenty of AP courses but students were discouraged from taking them. The reason we rank so low is due to leadership and has nothing to do with money. Again spin doctor you are ignoring the facts. Even if it were a matter of money, Our district had plenty of money funneled to the adults. Maybe a few less pizza parties for the HS staff and a little more toward the kids or maybe employees should pay 35% of their health care like P&G now does then we would have enough money to actually send all kids to college. You adults siphon off all of the money leaving nothing for kids to learn. If you are not part of the solution you are a part of the problem.
I call BS. I have high schoolers, and they most certainly were NOT discouraged from PSEO or AP. Just because you state something doesn't make it true -- it's an outright lie! Spin Doctor is not ignoring the facts. He/she is just ignoring your FABRICATED facts.
Here she goes again

Springboro, OH

#29340 Nov 20, 2013
I see Kohls was up to her usual tactics at last night's board meeting - taking something off the agenda in order to avoid hearing from the community...AND THEN LETTING A REPRESENTATIVE OF SAID REMOVED AGENDA ITEM SPEAK! Does she really think the community is that stupid? We see right through her (is THAT what this board meant when they said they'd be transparent?!) and are counting the days until she is gone.
TV Land

Springboro, OH

#29341 Nov 20, 2013
Here she goes again wrote:
I see Kohls was up to her usual tactics at last night's board meeting - taking something off the agenda in order to avoid hearing from the community...AND THEN LETTING A REPRESENTATIVE OF SAID REMOVED AGENDA ITEM SPEAK! Does she really think the community is that stupid? We see right through her (is THAT what this board meant when they said they'd be transparent?!) and are counting the days until she is gone.
...there you go again... Blah blah blah! Weren't you seen on the late news last night with this same old "stupid agenda" of
using the good work of our school board president as your
"tools of the trade" to peddle your own stupidity in front
of the news camera...lol! Your severely misguided status quo
tunnel vision of grandstanding yourself, hanging on to Kelly Kohls expertise is pretty "transparent." Do you really think people in this community can't see "right through" YOUR politics of
personal destruction, distorting and discrediting
the progress that has been made in our school district in
the past two years?
Why don't you Try GROWING in Greater Knowledge of Good Things
that YOU may have in YOUR Life; instead of jealous of others
success?

"Happiness is neither virtue nor pleasure nor this thing nor that ..but simply growth. We are happy when we are growing."
-William Butler Yeats
Waste Watchers

Springboro, OH

#29342 Nov 20, 2013
Misallocation of district and taxpayer resources: 34 out of 77 elective classses at the high school had less than 30 students, more than a few had multiple classes. IE: Children's Literature,
2 classes - 27 total students, Entrepreneurship, 2 classes - 20 total students, etc., etc.

As the man who led our school district as high school principal for 13 years, Ron Malone held a special place of trust, authority, and influence in our community; now conclusions of his performance reviews which are open public records, prove that Mr. Malone ran this high school like a union shop, making up classes with scant demand to ensure employment for those whose skills were not in demand. This tactic robbed resources from areas of greater need in the district. Those who suffered the most were the gifted and those in need of early intervention; yielding results
for our school district of "D" grade on gifted intervention and "C" grade on the lowest 20% in achievement from state. What a waste of taxpayers money and student resources!

But No More Status Quo Malone!

Mr. Malone has only been retired since June 30, 2013, and
we are already on our way putting our students first with our school tax dollars...

Number of Dual College Credit Classes availabel when Mr. Malone retired - 0 -

Number of Dual College Credit Classes added AFTER Mr. Malone retired June 30, 2013 - 6 -

Let's stay the course AND build on the progress
made in the past two years of our reform minded
philosophy of Students First While Maintaining
INTEGRITY!

Can Mr. Malone met the challenge of accountability to ALL community Taxpayers as
as Team player among our BOE Professionals and
school district leaders?
Here she goes again

Springboro, OH

#29343 Nov 20, 2013
No - was it on the news? Haha, didn't see that but I'll check it out!

And seeing how Kohls' protégés (and thereby her policies) were soundly defeated at the polls, I think it's pretty clear whom the community has had enough of.

Kelly Kohls has been a dreadful school board president, and the community welcomes the new (and improved!) board! I can't wait to giver her a standing ovation when she leaves!

Oh, I am quite successful in my own right and certainly harbor jealousy toward no one - especially KK - who is a legend in her own mind.

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