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No debate means No choice

Xenia, OH

#28837 Nov 6, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Hypocrite - a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
My name is on my own opinions, unlike yourself who hides behind various nom de guerres to cast your aspersions.
And you will be pleased to note that I supported Mr. Anderson as a man of experience, acknowledged business acumen, and past board experience. As everyone else must have agreed as he outpolled everyone else handily.
Handily? He outpolled Anderson by only 413 votes. You would think that with your endorsement (and signs) and the ES endorsement (and signs) that it would have been more than than.

By the looks of it only 17% of the people who voted for B/V also voted for Anderson. One would think the endorsement of ES and yourself would have pulled more than that!
Reality Bytes

Springboro, OH

#28838 Nov 6, 2013
Disappointing wrote:
It's very disappointing that the supporters of Vaughn and Bitner are only coming out and threatening Malone, Anderson and Stuckey, rather than coming together and promising to help the schools.
It must be very scary for Malone and Stuckey to face coming out of the dark tunnel vision of the union hall, into the Sunshine Laws of the Board of Education open and transparent public business meetings!

Now that Malone and Stuckey are just Number Two and Number Three of a once powerful Threesome alliance, they will no longer have special "huddling together" status; but EACH individual will be held accountable, by the community as a whole for individual decisions made, whether they are Students First OR Adult Educators First! No more secret reports of non-professional jobs poorly done by the retired insanely popular SHS princiPAL.

Blue Ribbon Symbolism and No Substance in quality professional leadership WILL not be tolerated by taxpayers, during the service of our TWO BOE minority members, who are the only two retired
educators on the board!

Wake Up, Mr. Malone...

AS OF JANUARY 1, 2014, YOU ARE NOT IN HIGH SCHOOL ANYMORE!
partisan

Dayton, OH

#28839 Nov 6, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
Handily? He outpolled Anderson by only 413 votes. You would think that with your endorsement (and signs) and the ES endorsement (and signs) that it would have been more than than.
By the looks of it only 17% of the people who voted for B/V also voted for Anderson. One would think the endorsement of ES and yourself would have pulled more than that!
only 413 ? that's plenty considering how a lot of you worship Malone like some kind of god.
Put On A Happy Face

Springboro, OH

#28840 Nov 6, 2013
Disappointing wrote:
It's very disappointing that the supporters of Vaughn and Bitner are only coming out and threatening Malone, Anderson and Stuckey, rather than coming together and promising to help the schools.
I'd like to "help the MSA supporters" turn that frown of disappointment upside down and help them all come together now
... and why not start spreading around some of that "lovin' Malone" with a smile and have a nice day!

Whatever happened to that all that business as usual happiness being spread around by our "insanely popular" has been a SHS principal for the past thirteen years?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#28841 Nov 6, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
Handily? He outpolled Anderson by only 413 votes. You would think that with your endorsement (and signs) and the ES endorsement (and signs) that it would have been more than than.
By the looks of it only 17% of the people who voted for B/V also voted for Anderson. One would think the endorsement of ES and yourself would have pulled more than that!
Or 2200 came from Bitner and Vaughn voters.

Mr. Anderson enjoyed a much wider range of community support.
Not A Chance

Springboro, OH

#28842 Nov 6, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
Handily? He outpolled Anderson by only 413 votes. You would think that with your endorsement (and signs) and the ES endorsement (and signs) that it would have been more than than.
By the looks of it only 17% of the people who voted for B/V also voted for Anderson. One would think the endorsement of ES and yourself would have pulled more than that!
Are You Sure? Why would you think that independent thinkers who share the same beliefs as Bitner/Vaughn supporters would be so
easily led astray by the great bloviater .... in the direction of
undermining both Bitner/Vaughn candidates by the endorsement of anderson by "Manipulate Springboro?"
Reality Bytes

Springboro, OH

#28843 Nov 6, 2013
It must be very scary for Malone and Stuckey to face coming out of the dark tunnel vision of the union hall, into the Sunshine Laws of the Board of Education open and transparent public business meetings!

Now that Malone and Stuckey are just Number Two and Number Three of a once powerful Threesome alliance, they will no longer have special "huddling together" status; but EACH individual will be held accountable, by the community as a whole for individual decisions made, whether they are Students First OR Adult Educators First! No more secret reports of non-professional jobs poorly done by the retired insanely popular SHS princiPAL.

Blue Ribbon Symbolism and No Substance in quality professional leadership WILL not be tolerated by taxpayers, during the service of our TWO BOE minority members, who are the only two retired
educators on the board!

Wake Up, Mr. Malone...

AS OF JANUARY 1, 2014, YOU ARE NOT IN HIGH SCHOOL ANYMORE!
Grapevine

Springboro, OH

#28844 Nov 6, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Or 2200 came from Bitner and Vaughn voters.
Mr. Anderson enjoyed a much wider range of community support.
What difference does it make?

Rumor has it that the end result of all those secret basement meetings was that only Mr. Anderson was
needed to be elected, as top vote getter, from the ES
threesome ticket of Anderson, Bitner, Vaughn.

Let's face it. Politics is dirty business and Mr. Bitner and
Mr. Vaughn were both handed a dirty deal paid for by private citizen, disguised as a one-man battle against the union forces.
No debate means No choice

Xenia, OH

#28845 Nov 6, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Or 2200 came from Bitner and Vaughn voters.
Mr. Anderson enjoyed a much wider range of community support.
Mr. Anderson was the only one endorsed by all parties involved. One camp pulled 5000+ votes, the other 2300+ votes. Because you could only pick 3 413 of the 2300+ votes (17%) also voted for Anderson and therefor padding his totals.

You did see the press release that stated:
"Mr. Anderson strongly denounces this and has requested that the signs be taken down as he did NOT authorize this in any shape or form.
Furthermore, Mr. Anderson is NOT endorsing the Bitner/Vaughn ticket."

Considering the signs were put up by ES which is run by P/R it doesn't sound like Anderson will be camping with them.

Spin it how you want. Your reputation preceeds you (as does the support your mailers and signs got from the voters).
No debate means No choice

Xenia, OH

#28846 Nov 6, 2013
Grapevine wrote:
<quoted text>
What difference does it make?
Rumor has it that the end result of all those secret basement meetings was that only Mr. Anderson was
needed to be elected, as top vote getter, from the ES
threesome ticket of Anderson, Bitner, Vaughn.
Let's face it. Politics is dirty business and Mr. Bitner and
Mr. Vaughn were both handed a dirty deal paid for by private citizen, disguised as a one-man battle against the union forces.
Your grapevine missed something. Here is the quote from the press release:

"Mr. Anderson strongly denounces this and has requested that the signs be taken down as he did NOT authorize this in any shape or form.
Furthermore, Mr. Anderson is NOT endorsing the Bitner/Vaughn ticket."

I don't think that Anderson will be backing the ES camp, oh wait, that would be the 2 remaining board members.
No debate means No choice

Xenia, OH

#28847 Nov 6, 2013
Not A Chance wrote:
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Are You Sure? Why would you think that independent thinkers who share the same beliefs as Bitner/Vaughn supporters would be so
easily led astray by the great bloviater .... in the direction of
undermining both Bitner/Vaughn candidates by the endorsement of anderson by "Manipulate Springboro?"
I don't know, why don't you ask ES or DW who put Anderson along with B/V on their signs?

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#28848 Nov 6, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
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How's life in the BUBBLE. I guess one out of three ain't bad. 400 votes were pulled by your signs. That's the difference between Malone and Anderson. 400 out of the 2300 that voted for B/V. With this kind of logic, no wonder you were under the impression of the "great accomplishments" of the current BOE.
Hate to burst your bubble, but Anderson ran with Malone and Stuckey. Great teachers make great students.
'great teachers make great students"-----I talked to a student of Stucky. Said he was a lazy teacher more interested in reading the local newspaper. Guess this student isn't going to turn out great.
Glass Houses

United States

#28849 Nov 6, 2013
Disappointing wrote:
It's very disappointing that the supporters of Vaughn and Bitner are only coming out and threatening Malone, Anderson and Stuckey, rather than coming together and promising to help the schools.
Threatening? I don't see any threats. Care to share your experience?

Not coming together? Perhaps they don't take kindly to the unity shown by MSA supporters. Here are a few of the words used to describe B/V supporters and the candidates themselves...as seen n the Active Springboro Community page and here on Topix....REPEATEDLY AND REGULARLY.

dishonest, no integrity, unethical, stupid, idiots, dumbasses, stupidness, pathetic, broken, big jokes, thieves, underhanded, arrogant, crook, fat ass bloviator, liars, crazy, racists, crybabies, morons, group of dirty thugs, big creeps, slime ball person, having no balls...well you get the idea. And these examples are just from yesterday and today. I won't even bring up the hatred at KPR, and anyone that remotely aligns themselves with a Tea party.

You won...and are STILL bitter and sanctimonious in victory. And then have the wherewithal to ask why they aren't embracing your idea of unity and healing.

I understand this is your first taste of victory in the last dozen years or so, but act like you've been there before. It's not like you just elected the Pope...it's only a small town school board election for crying out loud. No confetti parades through town are needed. Why in the world would anyone claim they would cry for 2 days straight (like they did after levy failures) if all 3 of MSA were not elected. Good grief, relax and take a breath, unbunch the panties.

It's only a school board.

Congrats and GOOD LUCK to Malone Stuckey and Anderson.
Vipers and Hypocrites

Springboro, OH

#28850 Nov 6, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
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The one take away should be that ES put alot of money as well as their backing which was just wasted money. Not very good budgeting if you ask me. Their little stunt on Saturday was seen for as what it was. A desperate attempt by a desperate organization.
The people of Springboro have spoken loudly and clearly.
totally agree; but why did Educate Springboro member, Doug
Weideman, invest so much unnecessary money into his choosen methodical evil plan of indoctrination and manipulation, leading Bitner/Vaughn supporters in the direction of embracing Mr. Weideman's number one choice of candidate Mr. Anderson?

Why the Gotcha politics of personal distruction only THREE
days before the school board election; which cast both Bitner
and Vaughn into the hostile ring of ridicule from the
vote for revenge campaign of Malone, Stuckey, Anderson?

The last three days before election should have been the final push through our neighborhoods enlisting voters support for school board candidates David Bitner and Kolton Vaughn; but, instead the opportunity to make the final week-end Bitner/Vaughn
for Springboro school board push, was wasted because of the
paid for by Educate Springboro "gotcha" sign, which shifted ALL the public attention from the Bitner/Vaughn campaign to the legal rights of Education Springboro; and a scramble to get the truth out that David Bitner and Kolton Vaughn has NO role in this political gotcha scheme; and truth be told, had denied Mr. Weideman's request to put Anderson's name of the third Bitner/Vaughn campaign flyer.

Again, the question WHY comes to mind?
No question that it is not legal;
but everything that is legal is not right.
Disappointing

Hamilton, OH

#28851 Nov 6, 2013
poundsand wrote:
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Threats? Please provide some evidence and don't just make innuendo's.
Are you really disappointed??
Were you also disappointed over the threats and harassment by MSA fans when Kelly Kohls was on the board?
By threatening more controversy, threatening to watch them at every turn, and threatening to continue pushing their backwards agenda. Now, you claim that "MSA fans" harassed Kelly Kohls. Please provide some evidence and don't just make innuendos.

It's disappointing that Petroni was out filming MSA supporters from behind a signpost. It's disappointing that Petroni/Rigano tried to manipulate voters and go against the wishes of their fellow citizen. It's disappointing that Doug Weiderman tried to scare people by talking about unions and taking statistics out of context. It's disappointing that Petroni/Rigano/Kohls do not understand how to interpret statistics. It's disappointing that Educate Springboro is simply a political tool created by adults.

Malone, Stuckey, and Anderson have a mandate.

They have a mandate, an overwhelming mandate, that the policies the BOE have been pursuing the past few years have not worked and have proven to not work.

Whatever spin people on this message forum want to make, whatever threats they want to make, they know that the voters have spoken and Malone, Stuckey, and Anderson received massive public support, the likes of which have never been seen in this community.
Let the Light Shine In

Springboro, OH

#28852 Nov 6, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
Your grapevine missed something. Here is the quote from the press release:
"Mr. Anderson strongly denounces this and has requested that the signs be taken down as he did NOT authorize this in any shape or form.
Furthermore, Mr. Anderson is NOT endorsing the Bitner/Vaughn ticket."
I don't think that Anderson will be backing the ES camp, oh wait, that would be the 2 remaining board members.
While political banter may be dirty politics during a school board campaign; now that Mr. Anderson is elected as the Number One most popular; ahead of Malone and Stuckey; he is no longer accountable to his Anderson/Malone/Stuckey ticket;

Mr. Anderson not longer has the luxury of flocking with the threesome; he is an INDIVIDUAL elected official, fully accountable to the Taxpaying community; and NO longer allowed to wear only the Union label.

Hopefully, between the filing of senseless complaints over signs of symbolism, Mr. Anderson, Mr. Malone, and Mr. Stuckey will find time to study up on all the Substances of the Springboro Board of Education By Laws and Policies mandated by the State and subject to the Sunshine Laws!
poundsand

Dayton, OH

#28853 Nov 6, 2013
Disappointing wrote:
<quoted text> By threatening more controversy, threatening to watch them at every turn, and threatening to continue pushing their backwards agenda. Now, you claim that "MSA fans" harassed Kelly Kohls. Please provide some evidence and don't just make innuendos.
It's disappointing that Petroni was out filming MSA supporters from behind a signpost. It's disappointing that Petroni/Rigano tried to manipulate voters and go against the wishes of their fellow citizen. It's disappointing that Doug Weiderman tried to scare people by talking about unions and taking statistics out of context. It's disappointing that Petroni/Rigano/Kohls do not understand how to interpret statistics. It's disappointing that Educate Springboro is simply a political tool created by adults.
Malone, Stuckey, and Anderson have a mandate.
They have a mandate, an overwhelming mandate, that the policies the BOE have been pursuing the past few years have not worked and have proven to not work.
Whatever spin people on this message forum want to make, whatever threats they want to make, they know that the voters have spoken and Malone, Stuckey, and Anderson received massive public support, the likes of which have never been seen in this community.
I asked you first and you didn't answer. What "threats" have been made to MSA??
Waste Watchers

Springboro, OH

#28854 Nov 6, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
Your grapevine missed something. Here is the quote from the press release:
"Mr. Anderson strongly denounces this and has requested that the signs be taken down as he did NOT authorize this in any shape or form.
Furthermore, Mr. Anderson is NOT endorsing the Bitner/Vaughn ticket."
I don't think that Anderson will be backing the ES camp, oh wait, that would be the 2 remaining board members.
You Betcha Anderson won't be backing neither the Petroni/Rigano
board members, NOR the Malone/Stuckey newly elected board members who are the only TWO retired educators.

You Betcha Mr. Anderson will be held ACCOUNTABLE TO PUT OUR STUDENTS FIRST, by the community taxpayers, to BACK the support of our Students First/Fiscal Responsibility reform minded vision for our CHILDREN'S 21st Century Quality Classroom Education, while living within our Children's First Budgeting agenda.

and btw-- Community taxpayers will be watching for SIGNS of wasteful spending with our hard earned school tax dollars;
a new levy will not be needed in our school district for many
years... and that's a Responsible Budgeting thing.
CELEBRATE OUR SUCCESS

Springboro, OH

#28855 Nov 6, 2013
Disappointing wrote:
<quoted text> Malone, Stuckey, and Anderson have a mandate.
They have a mandate, an overwhelming mandate, that the policies the BOE have been pursuing the past few years have not worked and have proven to not work.
Whatever spin people on this message forum want to make, whatever threats they want to make, they know that the voters have spoken and Malone, Stuckey, and Anderson received massive public support, the likes of which have never been seen in this community.
...AND This School District Has An Appoved Five Year Children's First Budgeting Forecast That Proves That The Progress Made By
Our Current Board's Policies Are Working;
And that our Current Board's Reform Minded Vision Has Received
Massive Public Support, The Likes of Which Never Were Seen By
Ron Malone's Status Quo Business As Usual Failed Practices,

Where the board's at right now is wanting the highest academic achievement and fiscal responsibility, and that's what this
community of taxpayers stand for! And Standing up for kids
is worth fighting for!

We can no longer afford to invest in status quo; we need a reform minded vision or the future of our schools and community.
partisan

Dayton, OH

#28856 Nov 6, 2013
Disappointing wrote:
<quoted text> By threatening more controversy, threatening to watch them at every turn, and threatening to continue pushing their backwards agenda. Now, you claim that "MSA fans" harassed Kelly Kohls. Please provide some evidence and don't just make innuendos.
It's disappointing that Petroni was out filming MSA supporters from behind a signpost. It's disappointing that Petroni/Rigano tried to manipulate voters and go against the wishes of their fellow citizen. It's disappointing that Doug Weiderman tried to scare people by talking about unions and taking statistics out of context. It's disappointing that Petroni/Rigano/Kohls do not understand how to interpret statistics. It's disappointing that Educate Springboro is simply a political tool created by adults.
Malone, Stuckey, and Anderson have a mandate.
They have a mandate, an overwhelming mandate, that the policies the BOE have been pursuing the past few years have not worked and have proven to not work.
Whatever spin people on this message forum want to make, whatever threats they want to make, they know that the voters have spoken and Malone, Stuckey, and Anderson received massive public support, the likes of which have never been seen in this community.
WOW ! Talk about hypocrisy ! What planet have you arrived from ?

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