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Springfield, OH

#28780 Nov 5, 2013
The Next Day wrote:
<quoted text>
Your story is incomplete. There is more to the story but I know it doesn't fit with your agenda. The more competitive colleges (i.e., harder to get into) often will not take PSEO credits because the rigor of the curriculum at the college they were taken at can vary widely. They do however, accept AP classes because they are based on a known national standard. I can't speak to the information you shared above but I do know you left out a strong reason for not taking PSEO if you child is a good student.
Your comments are incorrect. A smart parent/student/advisor will first find out a students future plans then learn what that school accepts and work backwards in determining where to take PSEO courses. They may even utilize Transfer.org , a website colleges even use to see which classes will be accepted at various colleges and then make their choices. Also, its good to have a backup plan for alternative colleges since sometimes the first choice college doesn't work out. Again, the credit awarded for AP classes is based on one test and a whole year's worth of class. The student may have a bad day on test day or be smart but not a good test taker and this effects their score. Then the awarding of AP credit is so varied from college to college so no I didn't leave anything important out of my comment. AP classes keeps money in the district and secures jobs for teachers, neither of which was the goal of my own children's education. Why, because I was looking out for the children and not the job security of unionized teachers, which is exactly what Rigano, Petroni, Bitner, and Vaughn will do.
The Next Day

Springfield, OH

#28781 Nov 5, 2013
My Experience wrote:
<quoted text>
Your comments are incorrect. A smart parent/student/advisor will first find out a students future plans then learn what that school accepts and work backwards in determining where to take PSEO courses. They may even utilize Transfer.org , a website colleges even use to see which classes will be accepted at various colleges and then make their choices. Also, its good to have a backup plan for alternative colleges since sometimes the first choice college doesn't work out. Again, the credit awarded for AP classes is based on one test and a whole year's worth of class. The student may have a bad day on test day or be smart but not a good test taker and this effects their score. Then the awarding of AP credit is so varied from college to college so no I didn't leave anything important out of my comment. AP classes keeps money in the district and secures jobs for teachers, neither of which was the goal of my own children's education. Why, because I was looking out for the children and not the job security of unionized teachers, which is exactly what Rigano, Petroni, Bitner, and Vaughn will do.
I understand and agree with many of your comments but I think you missed my point. Based on direct conversations had with Admissions Counselors at several colleges, those colleges that are harder to get into are much more likely to accept AP credits than PSEO credits. For example, a PSEO credit from MUM or Sinclair may not be accepted by a top tier college because they don't have a good benchmark for the rigor and toughness of the class, whereas, with AP, they do know the level of rigor of the material. I agree that both PSEO and AP credits are important for our district to offer.

I am very concerned that our AP offering is below where it should be. I am not convinced the current BOE is going to take it to where it needs to go because it would require funds and they are working hard to minimize taxes (and they spend time on tangents like charter schools, Constitution classes, Creationism, etc.). I also think our community is going through a transition as an increasing number of our fellow citizens have gone to better colleges than was the norm in the past. Examples of the demographic profile we are moving towards are Oakwood and Centerville in our area and Dublin in the Columbus area or some of the suburban Cincinnati schools. Our curriculum should be more like theirs than perhaps the districts we have traditionally compared ourselves to. Not trying to sound elitist but rather trying to be realistic.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#28782 Nov 5, 2013
[QUOTE who="Great Idea"
I just voted MSA for Springboro School Board: those who value and understand 'normal' life should do the same![/QUOTE]

Please tell us what exactly which of Mr. Bitner and Mr Vaughn beliefs you disagree with today.

BELIEVE
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe in order to deliver the highest level of education we must raise the bar well past the state minimums and strive to challenge our children, parents, and staff to reach higher. We can and must do better, our children’s future depends on our actions today.

• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that allocating resources from areas of less demand to areas of greater demand is one common sense approach to resolving needs in our schools. Federal and state mandates may preclude some reallocation, but we are still left with a sizable amount to influence.

• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that in order to take advantage of the higher level classes at the high school, more children must be put on that track at earlier grade levels.

Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn support Mr. Petrey’s move towards emphasis on more development in the earliest grade levels. While not all children will eventually end in a calculus class in high school, we can certainly better prepare them all for post graduate success. And that benefits everyone.

• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that the future belongs to technology. It is absolutely essential that we recognize technology not as a means to an end, but as a conduit through which knowledge flows. Much like the wires that flow to our houses bringing electricity, our technology investments are being made to ensure the future flow of knowledge to our children.

• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that leveraging school fees, services, personnel decisions, safety, or infrastructure maintenance to threaten families in order to influence regular or levy elections is wrong.
justice

Springfield, OH

#28783 Nov 5, 2013
In 12 hrs we will finally be on our way to bringing back Springboro with MSA. It is so embarrassing to watch what these other 2 candidates have done to our reputation. We want people on our board who represent honesty and who are really wanting to help this district. We are finally going to see justice and have the right people representing our schools. Bye bye Kohls. Rigano and Petroni will be next. Your opinion won't matter because you will be the minority. The people of Springboro are tired of your scare tactics and illegal actions. This district has spent too much money on legal fees. Money that should have been used for our children. This community doesn't want you.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#28784 Nov 5, 2013
The Next Day wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand and agree with many of your comments but I think you missed my point. Based on direct conversations had with Admissions Counselors at several colleges, those colleges that are harder to get into are much more likely to accept AP credits than PSEO credits. For example, a PSEO credit from MUM or Sinclair may not be accepted by a top tier college because they don't have a good benchmark for the rigor and toughness of the class, whereas, with AP, they do know the level of rigor of the material. I agree that both PSEO and AP credits are important for our district to offer.
I am very concerned that our AP offering is below where it should be. I am not convinced the current BOE is going to take it to where it needs to go because it would require funds and they are working hard to minimize taxes (and they spend time on tangents like charter schools, Constitution classes, Creationism, etc.). I also think our community is going through a transition as an increasing number of our fellow citizens have gone to better colleges than was the norm in the past. Examples of the demographic profile we are moving towards are Oakwood and Centerville in our area and Dublin in the Columbus area or some of the suburban Cincinnati schools. Our curriculum should be more like theirs than perhaps the districts we have traditionally compared ourselves to. Not trying to sound elitist but rather trying to be realistic.
Teaching your kids how to go to college while they are still at home with all its attendant opportunities, both good and bad, is plus for the children. Getting out of the cozy confines of SHS and learning to sit in a classroom of strangers, either do your homework or don't, either go to class or don't, learning that you are now the responsible party for your fate, are lessons that cannot be purchased in the hallways of SHS.

Making excuses for not doing so shows you are not serious about the children's future.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#28785 Nov 5, 2013
justice wrote:
In 12 hrs we will finally be on our way to bringing back Springboro with MSA. It is so embarrassing to watch what these other 2 candidates have done to our reputation. We want people on our board who represent honesty and who are really wanting to help this district. We are finally going to see justice and have the right people representing our schools. Bye bye Kohls. Rigano and Petroni will be next. Your opinion won't matter because you will be the minority. The people of Springboro are tired of your scare tactics and illegal actions. This district has spent too much money on legal fees. Money that should have been used for our children. This community doesn't want you.
Bringing back endless levies, lessening the strength of our curriculum, delaying or ignoring facility maintenance and upkeep, reducing opportunities for our children, rewarding the union for its support,
etc. etc etc.

Sorry, but that is a road to no where for our children.

Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn support the progress made since the last school board election.

• Renewal levy that saves taxpayers $6.5 million, yet still produces a surplus.

• Reduced school fees, lower pay to participate fees, as well as restored busing, and and long neglected building maintenance.

• Money and resources to the gifted and early intervention programs.

• Raising the academic bar for students and teachers. We are better than #97 in the state.

• Adding ACT/College Essentials class, emphasizing early college credit programs through the high school, Post Secondary Enrollment Options (PSEO), Advanced Placement, and Dual Credit courses.

• Balancing class sizes, and strengthening our curriculum.

• Technology plan with 1,100 new computers, wireless access for every building, and laptops to every teacher .

Which part of this agenda do you disagree with today and why?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#28786 Nov 5, 2013
Truth is that in Mr. Malone failed to advance the strength of our high school curriculum.

These are not my words but those of the Warren County Educational Service Center, professional peers from the education world evaluating the program of studies of Mr. Malone's high school.

This was written in 2010 and again in 2012,(Mr Malone apparently did not heed their recommendation in 2010).

page 10

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HS ...

" Documents provided to the Technical Assistance Team (TAV) indicate that contrary to the High Schools That Works (HSTW) philosophy, SHS believes that offering low-level courses is in the best interest of students. This belief, however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED by research or data."

Superintendent Baker asked in his goals for 2008 for an increase of 15% participation in A/P classes and honors classes.

The Warren County Education Service Center audit of our program of studies for 2010 noted that Mr. Malone delivered not an increase but a DECREASE of 43% on his goal from 2 years earlier.

"Although SHS offers numerous AP courses and PSEO options, only 20 percent students report they attempted to earn college credit during high school. This is a DECREASE of 43 percent from 2008, and 60 percent below the HSTW goal. See Table 8. "

Argue against that truth if you can, those are not my words, but those of professional educators.

Vote for the three that were not involved in the dumbing down of our curriculum.

Vote Bitner, Vaughn, and Anderson
Tired of all of you

United States

#28787 Nov 5, 2013
Mr. Wiedeman, I BELIEVE you're an idiot.
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Please tell us what exactly which of Mr. Bitner and Mr Vaughn beliefs you disagree with today.
BELIEVE
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe in order to deliver the highest level of education we must raise the bar well past the state minimums and strive to challenge our children, parents, and staff to reach higher. We can and must do better, our children’s future depends on our actions today.
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that allocating resources from areas of less demand to areas of greater demand is one common sense approach to resolving needs in our schools. Federal and state mandates may preclude some reallocation, but we are still left with a sizable amount to influence.
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that in order to take advantage of the higher level classes at the high school, more children must be put on that track at earlier grade levels.
Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn support Mr. Petrey’s move towards emphasis on more development in the earliest grade levels. While not all children will eventually end in a calculus class in high school, we can certainly better prepare them all for post graduate success. And that benefits everyone.
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that the future belongs to technology. It is absolutely essential that we recognize technology not as a means to an end, but as a conduit through which knowledge flows. Much like the wires that flow to our houses bringing electricity, our technology investments are being made to ensure the future flow of knowledge to our children.
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that leveraging school fees, services, personnel decisions, safety, or infrastructure maintenance to threaten families in order to influence regular or levy elections is wrong.
poundsand

Dayton, OH

#28788 Nov 5, 2013
justice wrote:
In 12 hrs we will finally be on our way to bringing back Springboro with MSA. It is so embarrassing to watch what these other 2 candidates have done to our reputation. We want people on our board who represent honesty and who are really wanting to help this district. We are finally going to see justice and have the right people representing our schools. Bye bye Kohls. Rigano and Petroni will be next. Your opinion won't matter because you will be the minority. The people of Springboro are tired of your scare tactics and illegal actions. This district has spent too much money on legal fees. Money that should have been used for our children. This community doesn't want you.
Yes, let's regress back to the Baker era when our school district was so much more reputable and honest.

Here's a refresher on how 'justice' and the right people representing our schools handled things:

* Capped high school class sizes in the 20s, while other grades who most need teacher attention, had larger class sizes (often up to 30).

* Taught the majority to meet the proficient standard (proficient is a OAA test score in 8th grade >40), while our district receives a “D” in gifted education and a “C” for our more challenged, lowest 20%.

* Ignored the changing curriculum and testing standards for students.

* Charged higher pay-to-play and school fees than were necessary.

* Failed to plan for technology in our classrooms and then spending resources on wireless technology that was inadequate and required replacement.

* Ignored recommendations to improve the rigor of our high school academic programs by failing to promote college credit options for our students.

* Reacted to circumstances and spent more than budgeted instead of planning to invest and keeping up our buildings, grounds and bus fleet.

* Assumed the only solution was higher taxes and proposed yearly levies to pass.

Yes, let's return to the good old days bringing back Springboro with MSA!!
Blah blah blah

Springboro, OH

#28789 Nov 5, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Please tell us what exactly which of Mr. Bitner and Mr Vaughn beliefs you disagree with today.
BELIEVE
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe in order to deliver the highest level of education we must raise the bar well past the state minimums and strive to challenge our children, parents, and staff to reach higher. We can and must do better, our children’s future depends on our actions today.
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that allocating resources from areas of less demand to areas of greater demand is one common sense approach to resolving needs in our schools. Federal and state mandates may preclude some reallocation, but we are still left with a sizable amount to influence.
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that in order to take advantage of the higher level classes at the high school, more children must be put on that track at earlier grade levels.
Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn support Mr. Petrey’s move towards emphasis on more development in the earliest grade levels. While not all children will eventually end in a calculus class in high school, we can certainly better prepare them all for post graduate success. And that benefits everyone.
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that the future belongs to technology. It is absolutely essential that we recognize technology not as a means to an end, but as a conduit through which knowledge flows. Much like the wires that flow to our houses bringing electricity, our technology investments are being made to ensure the future flow of knowledge to our children.
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that leveraging school fees, services, personnel decisions, safety, or infrastructure maintenance to threaten families in order to influence regular or levy elections is wrong.
Mr. Wiedeman, I BELIEVE you're an idiot.
Blah blah blah

Springboro, OH

#28790 Nov 5, 2013
NOT A CHANCE!!!!!
VOTE BITNER VAUGHN wrote:
TODAY... the People's Voice Will Be Heard...and
that's a Priceless Thing! God Bless America!
VOTE BITNER/VAUGHN!
VOTE RENEWAL LEVY!
IT'S FOR OUR STUDENTS FIRST, OUR SCHOOL EMPLOYEES, AND OUR COMMUNITY OF TAXPAYERS!
DON'T FEEL OBLIGATED TO VOTE FOR THREE!
IT JUST TAKES TWO FOR VICTORY OVER UNION
SOLIDARITY!
VOTE FOR BOTH
**DAVID BITNER and KOLTON VAUGHN**
Your only TWO Conservative Candidates WHO
can bring VICTORY To Our Students FIRST
over Unionism Indoctrination in the Classroom!
VOTE BITNER/VAUGHN!
VOTE RENEWAL LEVY!
GOD BLESS AMERICA and MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND
YOUR FAMILY!

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#28791 Nov 5, 2013
what are your credentials to make such a "pol" statement please provide the facts
Blah blah blah wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Wiedeman, I BELIEVE you're an idiot.
Heart Burn

Atlanta, GA

#28792 Nov 5, 2013
Blah blah blah wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Wiedeman, I BELIEVE you're an idiot.
Another MSA supporter showing her depth of wit and insight. lol
justice

Springfield, OH

#28793 Nov 5, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Bringing back endless levies, lessening the strength of our curriculum, delaying or ignoring facility maintenance and upkeep, reducing opportunities for our children, rewarding the union for its support,
etc. etc etc.
Sorry, but that is a road to no where for our children.
Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn support the progress made since the last school board election.
• Renewal levy that saves taxpayers $6.5 million, yet still produces a surplus.
• Reduced school fees, lower pay to participate fees, as well as restored busing, and and long neglected building maintenance.
• Money and resources to the gifted and early intervention programs.
• Raising the academic bar for students and teachers. We are better than #97 in the state.
• Adding ACT/College Essentials class, emphasizing early college credit programs through the high school, Post Secondary Enrollment Options (PSEO), Advanced Placement, and Dual Credit courses.
• Balancing class sizes, and strengthening our curriculum.
• Technology plan with 1,100 new computers, wireless access for every building, and laptops to every teacher .
Which part of this agenda do you disagree with today and why?
Boy Doug you have all the answers don't you. Do you hold a job? The amount of time you spend on this site is crazy. You should run for the board! Oh wait, too many skeletons in the closet.
Great Idea

Dayton, OH

#28794 Nov 5, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Please tell us what exactly which of Mr. Bitner and Mr Vaughn beliefs you disagree with today.
BELIEVE
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe in order to deliver the highest level of education we must raise the bar well past the state minimums and strive to challenge our children, parents, and staff to reach higher. We can and must do better, our children’s future depends on our actions today.
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that allocating resources from areas of less demand to areas of greater demand is one common sense approach to resolving needs in our schools. Federal and state mandates may preclude some reallocation, but we are still left with a sizable amount to influence.
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that in order to take advantage of the higher level classes at the high school, more children must be put on that track at earlier grade levels.
Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn support Mr. Petrey’s move towards emphasis on more development in the earliest grade levels. While not all children will eventually end in a calculus class in high school, we can certainly better prepare them all for post graduate success. And that benefits everyone.
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that the future belongs to technology. It is absolutely essential that we recognize technology not as a means to an end, but as a conduit through which knowledge flows. Much like the wires that flow to our houses bringing electricity, our technology investments are being made to ensure the future flow of knowledge to our children.
• Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn believe that leveraging school fees, services, personnel decisions, safety, or infrastructure maintenance to threaten families in order to influence regular or levy elections is wrong.
Do BITNER and VAUGHN know that they believe all this? You better fill them in and coach them up!
Because so far, when asked for their beliefs and how exactly they are so 'CHILDREN FIRST'- their answers have sounded something like "whatever WIEDEMAN, PETRONI, and RIGANO want us to believe - and are willing to pay for!"
We tirelessly know what you believe, DOUG - we just don't know what BITNER and VAUGHN believe! WIEDEMAN, why don 't you just run for school board? Oh yeah, sorry, never mind.........
VOTED BITNER-VAUGHN

Springfield, OH

#28795 Nov 5, 2013
Blah blah blah wrote:
NOT A CHANCE!!!!!
<quoted text>
Wanna Bet on that? You lose! Already Voted Bitner-Vaughn!
... and that's a sure thing.
Blah blah blah

Springboro, OH

#28796 Nov 5, 2013
Lol right back at ya! Can't wait to see you folks squirm!(Her?)
Heart Burn wrote:
<quoted text>
Another MSA supporter showing her depth of wit and insight. lol
Victory

Springfield, OH

#28797 Nov 5, 2013
Bye bye TEA PARTIERS
Blah blah blah

Springboro, OH

#28798 Nov 5, 2013
The facts? He opens his mouth. That's all the proof I need.
boroson54 wrote:
what are your credentials to make such a "pol" statement please provide the facts <quoted text>
Ex-Board Member 1990s

Springfield, OH

#28799 Nov 5, 2013
Springboro has made great strides the last few years. I hope we don't lose the momentum and go back a few steps.

Missing money and misappropriated funds were just a few of the issues that still were not properly investigated. No, we don't want this type of thing to return.

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