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Just Asking

Akron, OH

#28067 Oct 17, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again. My point was that a board member having a child in school would be more of a conflict of interest than a retired principal or teacher. Either is fine by me.
Oh fiddle-dee-dee! Why not give it a break on this sickening debate of "my dad/mom loves kids more than your dad/mom...?"
Enough already on the lovin me some kids to get "gotcha" moment in this "war of words" in the politics of personal distruction....

The "no kids/no vote" mantra that the union activists launched against the 2011 school board candidates was vile and disgusting; and not worthy of repeating the "no kids/no vote" in this 2013 election...

Why not stick to the issues and promote voting for the only two school board candidates that had the courage and confidence in themselves to step up and stand up with school district taxpayers at the polls on November 5, 2013.

People in this community should be sending thanks and appreciation to Mr. David Bitner and Mr. Kolton Vaughn! These two civic minded citizens have proven that they've got the WILL and the SKILL in which they need to go into board room battle AGAINST the Parents for S-U-R-E union activists!

BRAVO! BRAVO! Good Luck to these young men and their families!
Fresh ideas (including NEW reform minded BOE leadership) have allowed our district to sustain itself in an uncertain economy with NO new money required!

Just Vote YES! to Reduced Renewal Levy ...
Just Vote YES! YES! to new leadership with fresh ideas ...
JUST VOTE FOR DAVID BITNER AND KOLTON VAUGHN!

Visit their website and get to know more about their reform minded thinking on our children's 21st century education needs...
Visit their open house meeting on October 21 and offer a friendly handshake and an encouraging word or two..
...remind them to enjoy basking in the sunshine of goodwill from their supporters outside the school community;
heaven knows how difficult it is for any good citizen to shine a little light in that narrow tunnel vision of status quo SEA
union hall.... once these two responsible budgeting school board candidates get elected as our next to school board representatives.
Get Real

Akron, OH

#28068 Oct 17, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
I know lots of smart people who never went to college or never finished.
Conversely I know lots of maroons who did graduate from college, from the tone of your post I am gathering you as one of the latter.
College, in and of itself, is no guarantee of intelligence, as you so ably demonstrate deriding all who did not graduate from college as somehow beneath you and deserving of your scorn.
Vote for Bitner, Vaughn, and Anderson
Your one voice, one vote is to be respected.

As for me and my household of voters, we have only met and talked with school board candidates, Mr. David Bitner and Mr. Kolton Vaughn, and are only campaigning only for the two candidates that we know are the right fit with our school district agenda of fiscal responsibility.

We plan to visit the BITNER/VAUGHN meet and greet on October 21 to see IF Mr. Anderson is present, and to ask Mr.Anderson if he has plans to inform the Dayton Daily News that he has now seen the light through the Malone/Stuckey/Anderson signs of darkness; and is defecting from the re-instate Malone status quo campaign, to come over to our Boro proud Bitner/Vaughn for school board signs of responsible spending. We must hear Mr.Anderson's committment to ensuring that the children of the Springboro community receive an excellent education while keeping the costs of that education
affordable, by carefully adhering to responsible spending.
You see, we believe that is the ONLY reason for any concerned citizen to have an interest in running for school board election.

Inquiring minds around town are asking WHY Mr. Anderson was not solicited to run as a threesome with Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn, since Mr. Anderson is now being described as a deserving soul,
a well known business man, a former school member, who was
sought out and solicited by Malone and Stuckey to join with them in their campaign AGAINST Our Children First; AND who is now riding the coat-tails of our Children First/Responsible Budgeting school board candidates, Mr. Bitner and Mr.Vaughn?

People in this community should remember in November that we were deceived once, by a Mr. Anderson, riding the coat-tails of conservative school board candidate, Dr.Kelly Kohls, in November of 2009; and inquiring minds are asking voters "how did that work out for us in the board room, once Mr. Scott Anderson got elected?"
No debate means No choice

Xenia, OH

#28069 Oct 17, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
You are really pressing the envelope with the idea that disenfranchising parents because they have children is a good idea.
Why would you want to exclude parents?
This was in response to the person that posted putting Malone and Stuckey on the BOE is a conflict of interest. Why did they want to exclude retired school employees? The point simply was that a parent with a child in the system sitting on the board seems more of a conflict than a retired teacher or principal with no children in the system.(sarcasm)

But if you disagree with that, then that is your choice. Bottom line is there is NO conflict of interest in either case.
Just Asking

Akron, OH

#28070 Oct 17, 2013
Oh fiddle-dee-dee! Why not give it a break on this sickening debate of "my dad/mom loves kids more than your dad/mom...?"
Enough already on the lovin me some kids to get "gotcha" moment in this "war of words" in the politics of personal distruction....

The "no kids/no vote" mantra that the union activists launched against the 2011 school board candidates was vile and disgusting; and not worthy of repeating the "no kids/no vote" in this 2013 election...

Why not stick to the issues and promote voting for the only two school board candidates that had the courage and confidence in themselves to step up and stand up with school district taxpayers at the polls on November 5, 2013.

People in this community should be sending thanks and appreciation to Mr. David Bitner and Mr. Kolton Vaughn! These two civic minded citizens have proven that they've got the WILL and the SKILL in which they need to go into board room battle AGAINST the Parents for S-U-R-E union activists!

BRAVO! BRAVO! Good Luck to these young men and their families!
Fresh ideas (including NEW reform minded BOE leadership) have allowed our district to sustain itself in an uncertain economy with NO new money required!

Just Vote YES! to Reduced Renewal Levy ...
Just Vote YES! YES! to new leadership with fresh ideas ...
JUST VOTE FOR DAVID BITNER AND KOLTON VAUGHN!

Visit their website and get to know more about their reform minded thinking on our children's 21st century education needs...
Visit their open house meeting on October 21 and offer a friendly handshake and an encouraging word or two..
...remind them to enjoy basking in the sunshine of goodwill from their supporters outside the school community;
heaven knows how difficult it is for any good citizen to shine a little light in that narrow tunnel vision of status quo SEA
union hall.... once these two responsible budgeting school board candidates get elected as our next to school board representatives.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#28071 Oct 17, 2013
LOL LOL ngs blog are gettting as bad as Mike turners WHIO interview
No nothing

Toledo, OH

#28072 Oct 17, 2013
Just Asking wrote:
<quoted text>
It was encouraging at the last board meeting to see the
new high school principal recognizing high school students
in honor of high achievements!
It was discouraging that no one from the athletic boosters
attended the school board work session presentation of the
new athletic director; in which were presented the financial woes and the funding gap which appears to be between the money spend by the boosters board last year and the money which was taken in by the boosters board's fundraising.
Does anybody know why the athletic boosters officers NEVER show an interest in the public school board presentations/discussions of our school athletic program (as a whole), in which the athletic boosters have the privilege of our school resources and student talent to conduct themselves as an "outside business" operating within the partnership of Board of Education/Athletic Boosters
Board by-laws and policy agreements?
It appeared that the new athletic director is in somewhat of a financial pickle and he is asking if taxpayers should not be picking up the salaries of ALL coaches on board and supplemental contract costs? And wasn't he reporting that he can find no civic minded volunteers to help with our home games; but that no-one wants to help the kids unless they get paid (very generously!)
Anybody have any information on why the Athletic Boosters board officers NEVER show up at any of these discussions?
Isn't Springboro parent Tiffany Carlisle (who is very visisble in the board room begging for more money for the union teachers) an Athletic Boosters board officer?
Isn't Springboro parent Alfsoon McCleelan,(who was in the board room recently demanding that Springboro Parent Kelly Kohls "get out of HER boardroom") not an athletics boosters board officer?
Inquiring minds are just asking... and watching....
Nice.....blame it on the boosters! It's not their responsibility to pay for coaches and it's not their fault there's a gap. Don't lower Pay to participate and there won't be a gap.
busy doing nothing

Girard, OH

#28073 Oct 17, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>

Where was Mr. Malone's leadership and firm moral rectitude when the community needed someone to rein in the high school support organization to better deal with the loss of over $1,000,000 in booster funds (if you believe that he did more than just write checks to himself for only 7 of the 20 years Mr. Harves was in charge of the money and never touched the bags of uncounted cash on the kitchen table)

Did Mr. Malone demand more financial controls and accountability within the groups that supported his high school?

No

Did Mr. Malone work with the board to formulate policy that would help preclude this sort of thing from happening in the future?

Nope

Did Mr. Malone work to quell the misdirected tension and anger from blame the school board to its proper source, the booster board who neglected to perform their most basic tasks?

Not in the least

Where was Mr. Malone when all of this transpired?

Where was Mr. Malone's compassion for the children, parents, and community when it was found that they had been robbed during his tenure?
"Where was Mr. Malone", you ask?

Each and every school day, Mr. Malone's top priority was to act as though he was best friends with virtually every student at Springboro high school. A person's image is everything, particularly if such an image is vaulted to the "insanely popular" category. It must demand a tremendous amounts of both TIME AND EFFORT in order to satisfactorily maintain that prestigious image with the kids, y'know.
volley time

Girard, OH

#28074 Oct 17, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again. My point was that a board member having a child in school would be more of a conflict of interest than a retired principal or teacher. Either is fine by me.
In the future there is of course a potential for Springboro school board to move into direct negotiations with SEA regarding benefits and salaries. Malone is a former high school principal. Stuckey is a former teacher. During their careers, inarguably both have had quite intimate ties with the SEA. If both Malone and Stuckey are sitting on a future board, are you suggesting there wouldn't be a conflict of interest in having either one of them take part with SEA negotiations?
Just Asking

Akron, OH

#28075 Oct 17, 2013
No nothing wrote:
<quoted text>Nice.....blame it on the boosters! It's not their responsibility to pay for coaches and it's not their fault there's a gap. Don't lower Pay to participate and there won't be a gap.
...And neither is it the taxpaying homeowners fault that "there's a gap."

I see No Blame on the boosters... but see no one being held accountable nor taking responsibility for mis-management of the Athletics Boosters Board business during all those years that one of the board officers was stealing money from the kids sports program.
I do say Shame on All parents, school leaders, elected officials and booster board officials who who were so smitten with their insanely popular leaders that they were blinded to the robbery going on right under their own noses.
Inquiring minds are just asking why no one involved could smell the stinking stunk in their midst.
Inquiring minds are still asking where is the $439,000 that was supposed to have been paid back? And why is this money that was recovered from the Boosters Board officer thief not used to fund the athletic program. Why is the new school athletic director complaining that he can't get the additional coaches he needs to do his job and a'int that a shame in this "rich" school district?
Just Asking....
Just Asking

Akron, OH

#28076 Oct 17, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Your one voice, one vote is to be respected.
As for me and my household of voters, we have only met and talked with school board candidates, Mr. David Bitner and Mr. Kolton Vaughn, and are only campaigning only for the two candidates that we know are the right fit with our school district agenda of fiscal responsibility.
We plan to visit the BITNER/VAUGHN meet and greet on October 21 to see IF Mr. Anderson is present, and to ask Mr.Anderson if he has plans to inform the Dayton Daily News that he has now seen the light through the Malone/Stuckey/Anderson signs of darkness; and is defecting from the re-instate Malone status quo campaign, to come over to our Boro proud Bitner/Vaughn for school board signs of responsible spending. We must hear Mr.Anderson's committment to ensuring that the children of the Springboro community receive an excellent education while keeping the costs of that education
affordable, by carefully adhering to responsible spending.
You see, we believe that is the ONLY reason for any concerned citizen to have an interest in running for school board election.
Inquiring minds around town are asking WHY Mr. Anderson was not solicited to run as a threesome with Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn, since Mr. Anderson is now being described as a deserving soul,
a well known business man, a former school member, who was
sought out and solicited by Malone and Stuckey to join with them in their campaign AGAINST Our Children First; AND who is now riding the coat-tails of our Children First/Responsible Budgeting school board candidates, Mr. Bitner and Mr.Vaughn?
People in this community should remember in November that we were deceived once, by a Mr. Anderson, riding the coat-tails of conservative school board candidate, Dr.Kelly Kohls, in November of 2009; and inquiring minds are asking voters "how did that work out for us in the board room, once Mr. Scott Anderson got elected?"
Stay Alert Voters! Why is our current pro-union school board member, Don Miller, who has decided not to run for re-election, now trying to influence the election with his endorsement in the DDN of Kolton Vaughn and Charles Anderson? Could it be the old "divide and conquer" political strategy that our liberal frenemies from across the aisle are so deeply embedded?
Think about it...we already know that darling old man who has been a princiPAL for the PAST thirteen years is a shoe in...
hmmm... could this push from pro-union board member Miller to endorse splitting the Responsible Budgeting Bitner/Vaughn ticket be a S-U-R-E win-win-win on November 5th for union-first school board candidates Malone/Stuckey/Anderson?
BoroMio

Lewis Center, OH

#28078 Oct 17, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you try reaching for the S.T.A.R.S.
We are new to Boro. What does S.T.A.R.S mean?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#28079 Oct 17, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Your one voice, one vote is to be respected.
As for me and my household of voters, we have only met and talked with school board candidates, Mr. David Bitner and Mr. Kolton Vaughn, and are only campaigning only for the two candidates that we know are the right fit with our school district agenda of fiscal responsibility.
We plan to visit the BITNER/VAUGHN meet and greet on October 21 to see IF Mr. Anderson is present, and to ask Mr.Anderson if he has plans to inform the Dayton Daily News that he has now seen the light through the Malone/Stuckey/Anderson signs of darkness; and is defecting from the re-instate Malone status quo campaign, to come over to our Boro proud Bitner/Vaughn for school board signs of responsible spending. We must hear Mr.Anderson's committment to ensuring that the children of the Springboro community receive an excellent education while keeping the costs of that education
affordable, by carefully adhering to responsible spending.
You see, we believe that is the ONLY reason for any concerned citizen to have an interest in running for school board election.
Inquiring minds around town are asking WHY Mr. Anderson was not solicited to run as a threesome with Mr. Bitner and Mr. Vaughn, since Mr. Anderson is now being described as a deserving soul,
a well known business man, a former school member, who was
sought out and solicited by Malone and Stuckey to join with them in their campaign AGAINST Our Children First; AND who is now riding the coat-tails of our Children First/Responsible Budgeting school board candidates, Mr. Bitner and Mr.Vaughn?
People in this community should remember in November that we were deceived once, by a Mr. Anderson, riding the coat-tails of conservative school board candidate, Dr.Kelly Kohls, in November of 2009; and inquiring minds are asking voters "how did that work out for us in the board room, once Mr. Scott Anderson got elected?"
I don't think they are related.

Vote Bitner, Vaughn, and Anderson
No nothing

Dayton, OH

#28080 Oct 17, 2013
Just Asking wrote:
<quoted text>
...And neither is it the taxpaying homeowners fault that "there's a gap."
I see No Blame on the boosters... but see no one being held accountable nor taking responsibility for mis-management of the Athletics Boosters Board business during all those years that one of the board officers was stealing money from the kids sports program.
I do say Shame on All parents, school leaders, elected officials and booster board officials who who were so smitten with their insanely popular leaders that they were blinded to the robbery going on right under their own noses.
Inquiring minds are just asking why no one involved could smell the stinking stunk in their midst.
Inquiring minds are still asking where is the $439,000 that was supposed to have been paid back? And why is this money that was recovered from the Boosters Board officer thief not used to fund the athletic program. Why is the new school athletic director complaining that he can't get the additional coaches he needs to do his job and a'int that a shame in this "rich" school district?
Just Asking....
Shame on the Boosters? JC, don't you think they feel bad enough that they where duped by someone they trusted? Haven't you ever been screwed over before?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#28081 Oct 17, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
This was in response to the person that posted putting Malone and Stuckey on the BOE is a conflict of interest. Why did they want to exclude retired school employees? The point simply was that a parent with a child in the system sitting on the board seems more of a conflict than a retired teacher or principal with no children in the system.(sarcasm)
But if you disagree with that, then that is your choice. Bottom line is there is NO conflict of interest in either case.
I concur completely, there is NO CONFLICT of interest with either of these two men running for school board.

My concern is:

How will a UNION CONTROLLED school board would spend your TAX DOLLARS?
BoroMio

Lewis Center, OH

#28082 Oct 17, 2013
BoroMio wrote:
<quoted text>
We are new to Boro. What does S.T.A.R.S mean?
Seriously. For some reason I feel like I am missing out on a philosophy or something. I have learned more from this forum than any of the candidates or that SURE page. Just trying to get in the loop with you guys.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#28083 Oct 17, 2013
No nothing wrote:
<quoted text>Nice.....blame it on the boosters! It's not their responsibility to pay for coaches and it's not their fault there's a gap. Don't lower Pay to participate and there won't be a gap.
Or we could stop stealing from the organizations and run a clean program with real costs and incomes in plain sight instead of behind a smoke screen.

After we have run a year or so with a real commitment towards doing the right thing, maybe we can see we we truly lie in regards to this financing.

I would like to forward the proposition that the money recovered from Mr. Harves belongs to the parents of the children who paid the pay to participate fees.

After all, those parents were the ones making up the shortfalls in revenues due to the continued theft that was occurring in the high school's support organization that Mr. Malone was supposed to be overseeing.
miller tyme

Girard, OH

#28084 Oct 17, 2013
Just Asking wrote:
<quoted text>
Stay Alert Voters! Why is our current pro-union school board member, Don Miller, who has decided not to run for re-election, now trying to influence the election with his endorsement in the DDN of Kolton Vaughn and Charles Anderson? Could it be the old "divide and conquer" political strategy that our liberal frenemies from across the aisle are so deeply embedded?
Think about it...we already know that darling old man who has been a princiPAL for the PAST thirteen years is a shoe in...
hmmm... could this push from pro-union board member Miller to endorse splitting the Responsible Budgeting Bitner/Vaughn ticket be a S-U-R-E win-win-win on November 5th for union-first school board candidates Malone/Stuckey/Anderson?
Don Miller's opinions and viewpoints haven't garnered a great deal of respect during his four years on the board. What makes you think that might change now?
Just Saying

Akron, OH

#28085 Oct 17, 2013
miller tyme wrote:
<quoted text>
Don Miller's opinions and viewpoints haven't garnered a great deal of respect during his four years on the board. What makes you think that might change now?
Education is not about respect...

"Education is about power and money and who gets to control
both." -Thomas Gunlock, State Board of Education

How would a union-first Malone/Stuckey/Anderson board majority
mis-use our children's first budgeting school tax dollars?

Based on Mr. Malone's past history, when he was given a choice last March 2012 to decide between Students first best interest,
OR making the SEA president, Mr. Maney and his staff happy,
Mr. Malone led our high school students in protest of board authority in order to bend to the will of the SEA president's
"happiness."

Remember in November to Vote ONLY for Students First/Responsible Budgeting school board candidates,
DAVID BITNER AND KOLTON VAUGHN
It's a winning ticket for ALL (no matter which union-first school board candidate comes in third)!
Just Saying

Akron, OH

#28086 Oct 17, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think they are related.
Vote Bitner, Vaughn, and Anderson
Scott Anderson and Charles Anderson are not related;
but they are both former BOE members.

Scott Anderson was the BOE president who teamed up with
board member Don Miller, along with Ron Malone and Scott Maney,
in efforts of the union to push newly elected children's first board members out of public service, by staging a "re-instate Ron Malone" student/community wide protest during March 2012.

Charles Anderson was board member during the 90's, which would have produced the Baker era of good old boy union-first years.

Aren't Don Miller and Ron Malone the last of the "good old boys" that were actively serving in leadership all the way back to the beginning of former athletic director, Troy Holtrey, presenting to the board his recommendation of the high pay to play fees?

Our school district has certainly come a long way from way back then... Why would anyone who cares about our school children and community NOT vote for school board candidates DAVID BITNER and
KOLTON VAUGHN who are already on board with wanting the highest academic achievement and fiscal responsibility?

VOTE FOR DAVID BITNER AND KOLTON VAUGHN!
STUDENTS FIRST/RESPONSIBLE BUDGETING!
A WINNING TICKET FOR ALL!
Bang the Drum

Dayton, OH

#28087 Oct 17, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Or we could stop stealing from the organizations and run a clean program with real costs and incomes in plain sight instead of behind a smoke screen.
After we have run a year or so with a real commitment towards doing the right thing, maybe we can see we we truly lie in regards to this financing.
I would like to forward the proposition that the money recovered from Mr. Harves belongs to the parents of the children who paid the pay to participate fees.
After all, those parents were the ones making up the shortfalls in revenues due to the continued theft that was occurring in the high school's support organization that Mr. Malone was supposed to be overseeing.
You just don't get it, the money was stolen from the fundraising efforts of the boosters and the teams, not the school. The money had been repaid. It's the BOEs job to figure out why there is a shortfall, maybe because there are less than half a dozen of sports that are profitable, the rest run a deficit. The SAB should not fill a gap they did not create! The money should go to help the schools with major repairs such as new tennis courts and a new track.

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