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No debate means No choice

Dayton, OH

#28009 Oct 16, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
What does Stuck manage?
As far as I know he's retired, like it says in the voter guide.
(that was an easy question).

The harder question is Bitner, he states "manager of a small business". Why the mystery on what the business is, and where is your enthusiasm for finding the truth about him?
U R clueless

Cleveland, OH

#28010 Oct 16, 2013
Greedy Sinners wrote:
<quoted text>
So you would be for removing Rigano and Petroni (who have children, but they don't attend our schools).
Repeal R/P!
psssst....Jim's kids have graduated.
No debate means No choice

Dayton, OH

#28011 Oct 16, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
They did drop an A/P Art class that had 11 people signed up. Instead of keeping a class for which their was scant interest, those resources were redeployed where they might better impact more children.
OH YES, most definitely they were because we all remember the hemming and hawing the boosters did before Mr. Harves finally coughed it up when he realized the THIS Budget and Finance Committee was not going away.
For 13 years Mr. Malone failed to protect the families of his high school who were serving his support organizations. Not once did he utilize his esteem and influence to challenge anyone anywhere about the goings on in the booster clubs. When the Budget and Finance Committee began investigating the financial dealings of the organization, Mr. Malone was silent. Mr. Malone was not encouraging cooperation or tansparency, quite the opposite.
No technology is the hardware involved in transferring digital information to our children.
The board opposes further dumbing down of the curriculum through the use of new and exciting euphemisms. This board and hopefully those in the future, wish to push our academic program to higher levels, not lower.
Lowering the bar would be Mr. Malone's tack.
This board and future boards will be aiming higher.
Who served on "the THIS Budget and Finance Committee"?

And you might want to re-read your sentence "No technology is the hardware involved in transferring digital information to our children."

Common core did have a technology piece tied to it. In order to ready the schools they were given money for IT.

And you failed to address all the nation attention (wouldn't want attention brought to that).
No debate means No choice

Dayton, OH

#28012 Oct 16, 2013
partisan wrote:
<quoted text>
his ineptness.
Oh partisan, you're so..........partisan.
truth to power

Cleveland, OH

#28013 Oct 16, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
What does Stuck manage?
His own teaching ineptitude.
No debate means No choice

Dayton, OH

#28014 Oct 16, 2013
U R clueless wrote:
<quoted text>
psssst....Jim's kids have graduated.
psssst....Just like the M/S/A candidates children. And as for the other board member???
No debate means No choice

Dayton, OH

#28015 Oct 16, 2013
truth to power wrote:
<quoted text>
His own teaching ineptitude.
Hey truth is .......partisan.
Vote for MSA

Dayton, OH

#28016 Oct 16, 2013
Well that was fun.

I do find it ironic (and quite funny) that the budget first BOE supporters are on this blog today... raving and ranting and bullying and ridiculing everyone in Springboro except their beloved BOE members.

Vote for Malone, Stuckey & Anderson! The best candidates for the job!
lol in boro

Akron, OH

#28017 Oct 16, 2013
Vote for MSA wrote:
Well that was fun.
I do find it ironic (and quite funny) that the budget first BOE supporters are on this blog today... raving and ranting and bullying and ridiculing everyone in Springboro except their beloved BOE members.
Vote for Malone, Stuckey & Anderson! The best candidates for the job!
...raving and ranting and bullying and ridiculing Everyone in Springboro... don't be silly!

Weren't there only 73 supporters that showed up?

Being "Proficient" in math, I would hardly call 73 union activists
"everybody?"
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#28018 Oct 16, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
AGAIN WHAT MEMBERS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?????? NOT ONE OF THE M/S/A CANDIDATES ARE CURRENTLY IN THE UNION! If you are going to talk about past union members Stuckey is the only one. It's like saying it's a grade-school controlled board now, since all the BOE members were at one time in grade school.
Which union was Ron Malone a part of? Get over yourself and get your facts straight.
The more important question is what business does Bitner manage and why not state the business on his bio?
How would a union controlled school board mis-use your
Children's First Budgeting school tax dollars?

Wasn't it Springboro parent for S-U-R-E, David Bowman, who
said: It is like asking the fox to audit the hen house to see if the chickens should continue to be usedfor eggs or served up for dinner.
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#28019 Oct 16, 2013
How would a union controlled school board mis-use your
Children's First Budgeting school tax dollars?

Wasn't it Springboro parent for S-U-R-E, David Bowman, who
said: It is like asking the fox to audit the hen house to see if the chickens should continue to be usedfor eggs or served up for dinner.
Vote MSA

Akron, OH

#28020 Oct 16, 2013
lol in boro wrote:
<quoted text>
...raving and ranting and bullying and ridiculing Everyone in Springboro... don't be silly!
Weren't there only 73 supporters that showed up?
Being "Proficient" in math, I would hardly call 73 union activists
"everybody?"
What... Who said anything about ridiculing only those at the forum?
lol in boro

Akron, OH

#28021 Oct 16, 2013
Vote for MSA wrote:
Well that was fun.
I do find it ironic (and quite funny) that the budget first BOE supporters are on this blog today... raving and ranting and bullying and ridiculing everyone in Springboro except their beloved BOE members.
Vote for Malone, Stuckey & Anderson! The best candidates for the job!
How would a union controlled board spend your tax dollars?

... raving and ranting and bullying and ridiculing everyone in Springboro, except their beloved false gods of unionism; AND Malone/Stuckey/Anderson... the best candidates for the job of
re-instating malone's status quo business as usual...just keeping the SEA president and his staff happy with more...more...more....
wasting of your tax dollars!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#28022 Oct 17, 2013
Greedy Sinners wrote:
<quoted text>
So you would be for removing Rigano and Petroni (who have children, but they don't attend our schools).
Repeal R/P!
No, because the majority of tax payers in this district do not have any children in the school system.

Mr. Rigano's children have graduated from our system.

With the current board you have parents with children in Lytle Five Points, Intermediate School, Junior High, and High School.

With a Malone, Stuckey, and Anderson led school board you would have no parents with children in any of our schools.

The only two running for school board that would have actual experience with the consequences of board decisions would be Bitner and Vaughn.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#28023 Oct 17, 2013
No debate means No choice wrote:
<quoted text>
Who served on "the THIS Budget and Finance Committee"?
And you might want to re-read your sentence "No technology is the hardware involved in transferring digital information to our children."
Common core did have a technology piece tied to it. In order to ready the schools they were given money for IT.
And you failed to address all the nation attention (wouldn't want attention brought to that).
Numero Uno:

Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano began investigating athletic funding, the pay to participate policy and its thin justification, and various support organizations for those extracurricular programs. The amount of cooperation they received from each group was appallingly hesitant and drug out. Support from the nominal leader, Mr. Malone, of the staff and the school district would have gone to great lengths to expedite the process. Alas, it did not come.

Numero Dos:

Thank you for pointing out the importance of a comma.

No, technology is the hardware involved in transferring digital information to our children.

Numero Tres:

You are correct and the first attempt made to make our schools wireless resulted in a $500,000 spent for an underpowered, glitchy system that did not work as advertised and was ultimately scrapped.

Our schools now enjoy an integrated wireless network that functions the way it is supposed to function and is scalable for future needs and requirements.

Money well spent this time vs money ill spent originally.

Numero Cuatro:

National attention on left wing blogs aimed at furthering an unsustainable narrative isn't really what I would term national attention.

Maybe CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBS, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune, the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Examiner, etc were at all of our board meetings.

I must have missed them.

Perhaps you have missed yesterday's front page of the Dayton Daily News, of the ever growing number of children taking advantage of early college credit options. Compare that story with the one written by the Warren County Education Service Center in January 2013 about Springboro.

According to the Warren County Educational Service Center reports from 2007, 2010, and 2013, Mr. Malone was engaged in a process that was going in the complete opposite of what the Dayton Daily News reports as a growing interest in the Post Secondary Education Option (PSEO) program, A/P classes, or dual credit high school classes. It would appear funding money had nothing to do with those choices Mr. Malone was making, as the levy up for current renewal was generating the full amount the entire time period under discussion.

Page 10
https://docs.google.com/a/springboro.org/file...

"Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that contrary to the HSTW philosophy, SHS
believes that offering low~level courses is in the best interest of students.­ This belief,
however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED by research or data."

"Although SHS offers numerous AP and PSEO options, only 20% of the students report they attempted to earn college credit during high school. This is a DECREASE of 43% from 2008, and 60% below the High Schools That Work goal."

Those numbers would mean we had 35% of our students engaged in these courses in 2008.

It would also mean the standard the High Schools That Work program is seeking for a community such as ours would be 50% participation.

For 13 years Mr. Malone had the opportunity and duty to mold a culture within our high school that reflected the community's respect and desire for a challenging education for our children.

Mr. Malone delivered just the opposite.

Vote Bitner, Vaughn, and Anderson
Greedy Sinners

Akron, OH

#28025 Oct 17, 2013
Greedy Sinners Headlines in the October 17,2013, issue of The Springbro Star Press:

Springboro man arrested in Franklin bank robbery

Football player off team pending investigation

Clearcreek Twp. Assistant Chief demoted
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#28026 Oct 17, 2013
How would a union controlled school board mis-use your Children's First Budgeting school tax dollars?

Wasn't it Springboro parent for S-U-R-E, David Bowman, who said: It is like asking the fox to audit the hen house to see if the chickens should continue to be used for eggs or served up for dinner.
No debate means No choice

Dayton, OH

#28027 Oct 17, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Numero Uno:
Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano began investigating athletic funding, the pay to participate policy and its thin justification, and various support organizations for those extracurricular programs. The amount of cooperation they received from each group was appallingly hesitant and drug out. Support from the nominal leader, Mr. Malone, of the staff and the school district would have gone to great lengths to expedite the process. Alas, it did not come.
Numero Dos:
Thank you for pointing out the importance of a comma.
No, technology is the hardware involved in transferring digital information to our children.
Numero Tres:
You are correct and the first attempt made to make our schools wireless resulted in a $500,000 spent for an underpowered, glitchy system that did not work as advertised and was ultimately scrapped.
Our schools now enjoy an integrated wireless network that functions the way it is supposed to function and is scalable for future needs and requirements.
Money well spent this time vs money ill spent originally.
Numero Cuatro:
National attention on left wing blogs aimed at furthering an unsustainable narrative isn't really what I would term national attention.
Maybe CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBS, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune, the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Examiner, etc were at all of our board meetings.
I must have missed them.
Perhaps you have missed yesterday's front page of the Dayton Daily News, of the ever growing number of children taking advantage of early college credit options. Compare that story with the one written by the Warren County Education Service Center in January 2013 about Springboro.
According to the Warren County Educational Service Center reports from 2007, 2010, and 2013, Mr. Malone was engaged in a process that was going in the complete opposite of what the Dayton Daily News reports as a growing interest in the Post Secondary Education Option (PSEO) program, A/P classes, or dual credit high school classes. It would appear funding money had nothing to do with those choices Mr. Malone was making, as the levy up for current renewal was generating the full amount the entire time period under discussion.
Page 10
https://docs.google.com/a/springboro.org/file...
"Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that contrary to the HSTW philosophy, SHS
believes that offering low~level courses is in the best interest of students.­ This belief,
however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED by research or data."
"Although SHS offers numerous AP and PSEO options, only 20% of the students report they attempted to earn college credit during high school. This is a DECREASE of 43% from 2008, and 60% below the High Schools That Work goal."
Those numbers would mean we had 35% of our students engaged in these courses in 2008.
It would also mean the standard the High Schools That Work program is seeking for a community such as ours would be 50% participation.
For 13 years Mr. Malone had the opportunity and duty to mold a culture within our high school that reflected the community's respect and desire for a challenging education for our children.
Mr. Malone delivered just the opposite.
Vote Bitner, Vaughn, and Anderson
1) The record shows differently.
2) You're welcome
3) I guess Malone put in the original system, must have been his fault somehow.
4) I would suggest that the Huffington Post is as national as the New York Times. I guess all the tv crews at the board meetings are always at every meeting.
5) The board also had an obligation and stood by and did NOTHING.

Vote for who you want...
No debate means No choice

Dayton, OH

#28028 Oct 17, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
No, because the majority of tax payers in this district do not have any children in the school system.
Mr. Rigano's children have graduated from our system.
With the current board you have parents with children in Lytle Five Points, Intermediate School, Junior High, and High School.
With a Malone, Stuckey, and Anderson led school board you would have no parents with children in any of our schools.
The only two running for school board that would have actual experience with the consequences of board decisions would be Bitner and Vaughn.
But didn't Stuckey and Anderson have kids who graduated from our system?

A former teacher and a former high school principal don't have any experience with consequences of board decisions?
Clear choice

Dayton, OH

#28029 Oct 17, 2013
How would a school board without experience in our education system mis-use your Children's First Budgeting school tax dollars?

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