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I did not know

Springfield, OH

#27548 Sep 25, 2013
Thanks for the link. On this site I see a lot more.
The Muslim Brotherhood in American Schools | Brigitte Gabriel

Ted Cruze just spoke (Fox news) of reporters like Larry Budd. He spoke of reporters that trap the reader into the "controversy" personal attacks of Christians and conservatives, not the meat of the matter. Larry Budd does not report on the important conversations taking place at Springboro schools just the he said she said and the use of the she said of S. Bindeman is a waste of our valuable time. Larry Budd and S Bundeman do Not bring up the important messages, such as the Christian religious sterilizations in our education system they both focus on just the manufactured hype. If DDN ever wants to know where they went wrong, once they go bankrupt, they need to look at SURE, S Bindeman.
Pastors stand for something!!! Your silence is deafening. One mom on the school board is not enough. We need an army to protect these kids.
Heart Burn

Atlanta, GA

#27550 Sep 25, 2013
No More Tunnel Vision wrote:
<quoted text>
...Is it true that all union dues that all teachers are forced to pay aren't enough to pay for the union president's salary?
They pay enough to be able to afford their own house/office/whatever on main street.

Why does the SEA need a house of their own?

Do they have enough excess cash laying around to be able to justify a building of their own?

What does that say about how much the union rakes in each year off of our property taxes that go to pay the teachers?
No Turning Back

Akron, OH

#27551 Sep 25, 2013
No MoreTunnel Vision wrote:
<quoted text>
Union school board candidates Ron Malone, David Stuckey, and Charles Anderson seek control of the Board of Education in efforts to re-instate Unionism party control, which matters more to Mr. Malone than implementing the RIGHT policies for our students 21st Century education.
Voters will remember Mr. Malone's refusal, last March 2012, to step up to the task offered him by promotion to District Office to use his PAST experience to serve ALL our students' in preparation to the state-mandated changes in grading system and common core implementation. Now, Mr. Malone is running for school board "for the children?" Isn't that too little too late after leaving our children left behind last year, in favor of status quo union first business as usual?
As the status quo placed awards on the school walls, many assumed that all was well inside those walls. But the awards only measure the past, and the standards are changing. Our schools perform well by the minimum state standards, but Proficient, no matter how you slice it, is FAILING. For example, the Proficient standard for the 8th grade math Ohio Achievement Assessment ranges from 35%- 59%. Proficient is not enough.

The status quo has not been enough. The time is now to bring forward new ways of evaluating our children that no longer rely upon grading on a curve to obtain the desired results. Tougher, realistic standards upset the status quo, but inflated standards rob our children of true achievement and potential.

From the district's aging computers, buses and buildings to new Common Core curriculum and rising expectations with new standards, testing, evaluation systems, the status quo is not equipped to meet the challenges that our school district faces.
A year ago, our district faced a sort of perfect storm with needs for everything from buses and books to technology and staffing coming to the surface at the same time. Through good management and some good fortune, our once rudderless ship emerged from that storm with clear leadersip and direction. Clearly, there are still challenges, but we are moving in the direction of putting Children First. The fear of change will not chase our comunity back into the darkness of previously failed practices.
Let's stay on this new course and move in the direction of leadership for our children, schools and community.
The Next Day

Cincinnati, OH

#27552 Sep 25, 2013
Christian persecutions wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait just a minute how many of these people are Christians?
i don't know the particulars of if the schools are officially supporting the LIFT program or not, and if so, how. It would be interesting to hear the particulars. However one key difference vs. the debate about the Constitution and the separation of church and state, is that one is a voluntary activity (LIFT) and the other is a form of a forced activity (required reading in a class). Big difference and one that is perfectly aligned and supported by the intent of the Founding Fathers.

Is it ironic that some people are wanting the schools to put more of a religion-based curriculum (their religion) in place while at the same time they are complaining about the existence of a religious program such as LIFT being in the schools?
motorvoter

Dayton, OH

#27553 Sep 25, 2013
It's rather pathetic that Jim Rigano invokes 911 to push his extreme right-wing views on religion in politics, apparently derived in part from the fantasies in the materials provided to him by the Institute on the Constitution.

He does this at 057:00 here:
www.youtube.com/watch...

That's certainly disgusting in and of itself, but it's especially offensive (and just dumb) because the Institute on Constitution pushes the theory that 911 was an inside job - that is, that the Bush administration, the Armed Forces, the fire department, police department, etc. orchestrated 911. This is just the most disgusting and stupid conspiracy theory, as it's offensive to the survivors of 911 and others who were traumatized by 911, and EVERY SINGLE CLAIM of these disgusting extremists has been immediately refuted.

To wit:

1. Pastor David Whitney, one of the chief figures of the Institute on the Constitution, happily appeared on a 911 conspiracy podcast:
visibility911.libsyn.com/2006/06
In fact, starting at 54:00, he seems to endorse those who believe that the New World Order did 911, stating that "tyrants of the world have a plan for our country" ... "911 was a big piece in moving that plan forward."
Also, if you listen to it, you'll note that the conspiracy nut hosting the podcast is one of the hosts for the Institute on the Constitution.

2. They published an article by Paul Craig Roberts, in which he repeats his belief that the government's account of 911 is the conspiracy theory: archive.theamericanview.com/index.php...
Paul Craig Roberts is a well-known conspiracist in the 911 Truther community: www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1456...

3. John Lofton, another chief figure at the Institute on the Constitution, led an angry podcast denouncing a very fair ABC News report on 911 Truthers:
archive.theamericanview.com/index.php...
There are some gems here:
10:00 - states that the ABC reporter who did a fair report on Truthers should be ashamed of himself
15:35 - "what really happened on 911"
16:20 - government is pushing a coverup
25:50 - ABC involved in a massive cover-up
33:30 - had interviewed Richard Gage, the most prolific proponent of the controlled demolition silliness
34:30 - when speaking of the Gage CD, indicates that the 911 truther claims are legitimate
36:10 - repeats the nanothermetic dust claim, which is supposedly evidence for explosives (but all of the evidence is laughable)
42:00 - doubts if we can even know that bin Laden ordered the attack, because he can't understand whatever language bin Laden speaks

4. When you purchase the "Constitution host kit" from the Institute on the Constitution - apparently the place where the otherwise uneducated Ricki Pepin got her information on the Constitution - you are sent a copy of "September 11 Revisited: Were Explosives Used to Bring Down the Buildings?" As you might have figured out, the documentary concludes that explosives were used in the Towers.

fauxcapitalist.com/2012/06/11/purchased-an-in...

THESE THE PEOPLE THAT RIGANO, PETRONI KOHLS WANT TO TEACH YOUR CHILDREN ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION!!!
NO CREDITIBILITY

Rockville, VA

#27554 Sep 26, 2013
How in the HELL can the fire department do this without any money?

Firefighter / Paramedic
The Clearcreek Fire District - Springboro, OH

Firefighter / ParamedicThe Clearcreek Fire District, located between Dayton and Cincinnati in Southwest Ohio, is accepting applications for an eligibility list for the position of Firefighter /Paramedic.All applicants are subject to the selection process. All minimum requirements, applications, background materials, and other information can be accessed at http://clearcreektownship.com/FireEMS/ Employment.aspx.Starting salary is $18.08/hr plus excellent benefits.All materials must be submitted to the Fire Chief: Clearcreek Fire District, 925 South Main Street, Springboro, Ohio. Deadline for completed applications is September 30, 2013 @ noon."CLEARCREEK TOWNSHIP AND CLEARCREEK FIRE DISTRICT IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER" First Published in Cox Media Group Ohio Newspapers on Sep 1, 2013

Time to get rid of the EVIL. Remove ED WADE and do not elect DALE LANB. Tell Pickett and his sidekick RON WILHELM to start packing their bags. It is time for the CITIZENS to rid this problem and install a more responsive government.
Uno Voter

Akron, OH

#27555 Sep 26, 2013
@motorvoter comments in above post:

As a taxpaying homeowner and voter in the Springboro School district, I disagree with the
motorvoter's distortion of Jim Rigano's "views."
Motorvoter is reminded that Jim Rigano was elected by this community to serve our schools and community, as Board of Education representative, simply because the voters agreed with Mr. Rigano's views of leadership. Jim Rigano does not "push" his views; the board is due a note of thanks and appreciation for allowing discussion of differing views. The board is respectfully listening to all input, from all individuals who choose to voice opinions, and ask questions, regarding board policy and by laws within the laws of the State of Ohio. There is no place in our community and our great schools for this "politics of personal destruction" that a few of the bad and ugly have launched against these three good board members! of education BOE ution
Uno Voter

Akron, OH

#27556 Sep 26, 2013
@motorvoter comments in above post:

As a taxpaying homeowner and voter in the Springboro School district, I disagree with the
motorvoter's distortion of Jim Rigano's "views."
Motorvoter is reminded that Jim Rigano was elected by this community to serve our schools and community, as Board of Education representative, simply because the voters agreed with Mr. Rigano's views of leadership. Jim Rigano does not "push" his views; the board is due a note of thanks and appreciation for allowing discussion of differing views. The board is respectfully listening to all input, from all individuals who choose to voice opinions, and ask questions, regarding board policy and by laws within the laws of the State of Ohio. There is no place in our community and our great schools for this "politics of personal destruction" that a few of the bad and ugly have launched against these three good board members!
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27557 Sep 26, 2013
William Schmidt wrote:
<quoted text>Where can I get written evidence that SEA is greedy and hostile? During negotiations, I never saw a hostile statement in the media and the final contract sure looked like the SEA was very compromising.
What do you mean by "the final contract sure looked like the SEA was very compromising?" I certainly haven't digested everything in the contract as posted on the school website (b-o-r-i-n-g) but the way I see it, it sure looks greedy and hostile, just all about more power to the union (with that always present threat of walking out on our kid's classrooms).

Compromising on salary... not the way I see it. The teachers got a big raise in base salary, did they not?
According to a news report on MSN Money: Although the U.S. economy added 2.2 million jobs in 2012, household income remained effectively UNCHANGED from the the previous year, according to the Census Bureau. A Census report released earlier this month put median household income, adjusted for inflation, at $51,017 in 2012, and said that ..... MOST PEOPLE HAVE HAD NO GAINS SINCE THE ECONOMY HIT BOTTOM IN 2009.
Yet, weren't people in this community "shamed and blamed" in the local newspaper accused of offering the lowest starting pay in Warren County schools before the contract; then after the contract the news reported that Springboro now offers the highest...?
What am I missing in the "compromising SEA" demands to local taxpayers to pay up or the SEA will pull out of "town?"
Where's the responsibility of the professional educator to the students in their classrooms?
Waste Watchers

Akron, OH

#27558 Sep 26, 2013
NO CREDITIBILITY wrote:
How in the HELL can the fire department do this without any money?
Firefighter / Paramedic
The Clearcreek Fire District - Springboro, OH
Firefighter / ParamedicThe Clearcreek Fire District, located between Dayton and Cincinnati in Southwest Ohio, is accepting applications for an eligibility list for the position of Firefighter /Paramedic.All applicants are subject to the selection process. All minimum requirements, applications, background materials, and other information can be accessed at http://clearcreektownship.com/FireEMS/ Employment.aspx.Starting salary is $18.08/hr plus excellent benefits.All materials must be submitted to the Fire Chief: Clearcreek Fire District, 925 South Main Street, Springboro, Ohio. Deadline for completed applications is September 30, 2013 @ noon."CLEARCREEK TOWNSHIP AND CLEARCREEK FIRE DISTRICT IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER" First Published in Cox Media Group Ohio Newspapers on Sep 1, 2013
Time to get rid of the EVIL. Remove ED WADE and do not elect DALE LANB. Tell Pickett and his sidekick RON WILHELM to start packing their bags. It is time for the CITIZENS to rid this problem and install a more responsive government.
'Till then... Clearcreek Township trustees need to stop rubber stamping all these spending requests from the fire chief kidd.... isn't the Fire chief just following instructions given to him by the township fiscal officer who advised Mr. Kidd that the big surplus should be spent (wasted?) before asking the Taxpaying voters for new money next year?
Shouldn't ALL of Mr. Kidd's spending for the CCFD be put on hold, until the assistant who is now under investigation, is fired from the Fire Department staff? How can we trust the fire chief's leadership until his good judgment recommends firing the employee, who has proven himself a poor model of good judgment and good citizenship, and has violated the trust of the community members, to whom he is hired to serve?
voice of reason

Cleveland, OH

#27559 Sep 26, 2013
Be afraid wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me get this straight.
The community bullies (union) will hold a "community forum" for the candidates for school board? There are three union people running and two that are simply parents of school children?
The union wants to hold a "forum", for what? We all need to wear our boots.
Sounds like the SUV black Cadillac lady can come into this one instead of just sitting outside and taking pictures.
Can you tell me why a woman in a black SUV Cadillac sits outside a meet and greet for these two parents, running for school board, for almost three hours taking pictures and moving her car once in a while? She sits her big black Cadillac in front of the building as if she wants people to see her than moves it like she does not want people to notice her? If this does not look like union bullying, nothing does. Who has three hours on a Sunday to survail school board candidates? Who owns this big black Cadillac?
I attended Sunday's meet and greet. And yes, I also noticed someone sitting in a parked SUV for a long time. However I didn't notice that pictures were being taken. What a shame! If I had known this coward was taking pictures, I would have been more than happy to walk up to the drivers side window and ..."hung the moon"... for the coward's camera.
lol in boro

Akron, OH

#27560 Sep 26, 2013
voice of reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I attended Sunday's meet and greet. And yes, I also noticed someone sitting in a parked SUV for a long time. However I didn't notice that pictures were being taken. What a shame! If I had known this coward was taking pictures, I would have been more than happy to walk up to the drivers side window and ..."hung the moon"... for the coward's camera.
....that's funny! It is practices like this "Stealth SUV"
for S-U-R-E spying for SEA, that reflects badly on ALL Springboro professional educators.
motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#27561 Sep 26, 2013
Uno Voter wrote:
@motorvoter comments in above post:
As a taxpaying homeowner and voter in the Springboro School district, I disagree with the
motorvoter's distortion of Jim Rigano's "views."
Motorvoter is reminded that Jim Rigano was elected by this community to serve our schools and community, as Board of Education representative, simply because the voters agreed with Mr. Rigano's views of leadership. Jim Rigano does not "push" his views; the board is due a note of thanks and appreciation for allowing discussion of differing views.
So apparently you, like Jim Rigano, support a 911 Truther organization like the Institute on the Constitution to teach the children of Springboro the meaning of founding documents of America. Are you that dumb?
I did not know

Springfield, OH

#27562 Sep 26, 2013
The Next Day wrote:
<quoted text>
i don't know the particulars of if the schools are officially supporting the LIFT program or not, and if so, how. It would be interesting to hear the particulars. However one key difference vs. the debate about the Constitution and the separation of church and state, is that one is a voluntary activity (LIFT) and the other is a form of a forced activity (required reading in a class). Big difference and one that is perfectly aligned and supported by the intent of the Founding Fathers.
Is it ironic that some people are wanting the schools to put more of a religion-based curriculum (their religion) in place while at the same time they are complaining about the existence of a religious program such as LIFT being in the schools?
OK pay attention, You must point out the Hippocratic by those that oppose the IOTC constitution class while parading to have kids follow them to LIFT. Who might that be. Hipo crit of the year.
I did not know

Springfield, OH

#27563 Sep 26, 2013
voice of reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I attended Sunday's meet and greet. And yes, I also noticed someone sitting in a parked SUV for a long time. However I didn't notice that pictures were being taken. What a shame! If I had known this coward was taking pictures, I would have been more than happy to walk up to the drivers side window and ..."hung the moon"... for the coward's camera.
OK that should not be too difficult. Who drives a black Cadillac?
This surveillance was beginner maybe she should pursue a different line of work.
really stupid

Springfield, OH

#27564 Sep 26, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
It's rather pathetic that Jim Rigano invokes 911 to push his extreme right-wing views on religion in politics, apparently derived in part from the fantasies in the materials provided to him by the Institute on the Constitution.
He does this at 057:00 here:
www.youtube.com/watch...
That's certainly disgusting in and of itself, but it's especially offensive (and just dumb) because the Institute on Constitution pushes the theory that 911 was an inside job - that is, that the Bush administration, the Armed Forces, the fire department, police department, etc. orchestrated 911. This is just the most disgusting and stupid conspiracy theory, as it's offensive to the survivors of 911 and others who were traumatized by 911, and EVERY SINGLE CLAIM of these disgusting extremists has been immediately refuted.
To wit:
1. Pastor David Whitney, one of the chief figures of the Institute on the Constitution, happily appeared on a 911 conspiracy podcast:
visibility911.libsyn.com/2006/06
In fact, starting at 54:00, he seems to endorse those who believe that the New World Order did 911, stating that "tyrants of the world have a plan for our country" ... "911 was a big piece in moving that plan forward."
Also, if you listen to it, you'll note that the conspiracy nut hosting the podcast is one of the hosts for the Institute on the Constitution.
2. They published an article by Paul Craig Roberts, in which he repeats his belief that the government's account of 911 is the conspiracy theory: archive.theamericanview.com/index.php...
Paul Craig Roberts is a well-known conspiracist in the 911 Truther community: www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1456...
3. John Lofton, another chief figure at the Institute on the Constitution, led an angry podcast denouncing a very fair ABC News report on 911 Truthers:
archive.theamericanview.com/index.php...
There are some gems here:
10:00 - states that the ABC reporter who did a fair report on Truthers should be ashamed of himself
15:35 - "what really happened on 911"
16:20 - government is pushing a coverup
25:50 - ABC involved in a massive cover-up
33:30 - had interviewed Richard Gage, the most prolific proponent of the controlled demolition silliness
34:30 - when speaking of the Gage CD, indicates that the 911 truther claims are legitimate
36:10 - repeats the nanothermetic dust claim, which is supposedly evidence for explosives (but all of the evidence is laughable)
42:00 - doubts if we can even know that bin Laden ordered the attack, because he can't understand whatever language bin Laden speaks
4. When you purchase the "Constitution host kit" from the Institute on the Constitution - apparently the place where the otherwise uneducated Ricki Pepin got her information on the Constitution - you are sent a copy of "September 11 Revisited: Were Explosives Used to Bring Down the Buildings?" As you might have figured out, the documentary concludes that explosives were used in the Towers.
fauxcapitalist.com/2012/06/11/purchased-an-in...
THESE THE PEOPLE THAT RIGANO, PETRONI KOHLS WANT TO TEACH YOUR CHILDREN ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION!!!
so you searched and found that someone somewhere spoke about something that has nothing to do with the constitution and nothing to do with the constitution course and nothing to do with the instructors of the course and nothing to do with Kohls, Petroni and Rigano? Wow you are a genius aren't you? Maybe a job is in order here you are a real researcher all right LOL
repeat

Springfield, OH

#27565 Sep 26, 2013
Why the double standard?

Springboro parent, Kelly Kohls, expresses interest in our students curriculum, and her message gets distorted by the liberal political opposition; and a war of words explodes, personally demonizing this Springboro parent, because of her concerns and comments made regarding her own SHS student's required reading for summer. Many parents and Boro Alumni joined to bully the volunteer constitution course right out of our school buildings because it was unfairly judged as too "religious."

Now we have the principal of Springboro Intermediate and the teacher sponser of the LIFT religous education course for students being promoted among Springboro parents to come help Springboro parent, Lisa Babb, bring teaching religion after school to our kids?
Why the double standard?

Is this teacher sponsor of the the LIFT religous education course paid supplement contract for this after school club? Is the cost covered by the fund-raising done by the Principal?
The cost of the materials for the constitution course was to be paid by the volunteers who signed up for the course; but the liberals protested mightily against the community members using the school building to study and discuss the constitution course because it was teaching the constitution in original intent.
Why the double standard for one program being allowed at the school; while another program was pushed out by the liberals because it was too religious?
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27566 Sep 26, 2013
Why is a Springboro parent working with a Springboro union teacher to lure students out of their classroom, to follow the flags of the Living in Faith religious indoctrination classes? This Lift program is not, and CANNOT be sponsored by the school (It is against the law) and this Lift program should not be promoted by the school; it is an outside organization and the students are being recruited into joining by Lisa Babb and a union school teacher.
Why does Springboro parent, Lisa Babb, have free access (through the Schools email)to solicit our children into joining her choice of religious education classes? Why is SEA officer, Sarah Thornbury, not reminding Lisa Babb that her
religion should be kept in the church AND out of our schools?
motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#27567 Sep 26, 2013
really stupid wrote:
<quoted text>
so you searched and found that someone somewhere spoke about something that has nothing to do with the constitution and nothing to do with the constitution course and nothing to do with the instructors of the course and nothing to do with Kohls, Petroni and Rigano? Wow you are a genius aren't you? Maybe a job is in order here you are a real researcher all right LOL
You're not getting it. The people who Kohls, Petroni and Rigano say present a neutral view of the history of the Constitution repeatedly push the theory that 911 was inside job. Even their teaching materials contain conspiracy propaganda. This is getting history wrong. And the school board should distance themselves from these nut jobs.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27568 Sep 26, 2013
Wow, leave for a few minutes and the loons really come out to play.

Anybody here want to debate the actual performance at the junior high school last year as opposed to the sanitized versions we found in the Dayton Daily News.

While what they say is true, only 34 kids out of 502 failed to reach the PROFICIENT level on the state math test for 7th graders.

What they neglect to tell you is PROFICIENT is defined as getting 34%-56% correct on the test.

34%-56% correct, these accounted for 94 children

The next level is ACCEKERATED, sounds quite impressive. To join the ACCELERATED ranks you need to score between 58% and 70%

58%-70% makes you an ACCELERATED student in the eyes of the state. 100 of our children in the 7th grade were considered ACCELERATED.

To be considered truly ADVANCED, the highest academic category a child could attain, one had to score at least 72%.

72% and above gets a child the full honors of the highest rating the state can bestow, the ADVANCED level.

72% and above equals the top of the academic pyramid in Ohio.

Class of 2018

7th Grade 2012-2013

Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 7th grade
.
Limited.......... 13 Students
Limited.......... 24% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
.
Basic..........21 Students
Basic ..........34% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11 - 16 correct answers =(22-32% correct)
.
Proficient........94 Students
Proficient........51% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -17-28 correct answers =(34-56% correct)
.
Accelerated.....100 Students
Accelerated.....66% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--29 -35 correct answers =(58-70% correct)
.
Advanced........267 Students
Advanced........83% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--36 -50 correct answers =(72-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......282 Students
Percentage of Students.....56% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......108 Students
Percentage of Students.....21% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........77 Students
Percentage of Students.....16% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........34 Students
Percentage of Students.....7% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....1 Students
Percentage of Students....0% receiving A

A more honest assessment of the children's level of knowledge reveals that
we have

PASSING 75% or better - 23%

FAILING 74% or lower - 77%

That is not really much to write home about. am I wrong in my assessment?

Using an artificially low scale to judge the effectiveness of our program of studies is intellectually dishonest.

Celebrating this feat when we know the underlying basis for these facts is intellectually dishonest and cheats our children of a true education. An education we are most certainly capable of providing all of our children.

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