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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Heart Burn

Atlanta, GA

#27464 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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No, not my wedgie, it's the lack of anyone here supporting any of these candidates.
YOU keep giving us reasons to look at other candidates that may be better qualified...based on your own criteria.
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27465 Sep 16, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
<quoted text>
My own research? Me thinks you haven't read a single thing I've posted.
Did you just say your convictions are weak? I think you're preaching that to the choir...we all have witnessed that from your posts. lol
Your words, not mine.
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27466 Sep 16, 2013
Curious wrote:
If the school board is spending money on technology, then why are there eight year old computers in the high school labs?
Great question...I'm sure the bright people around here have an excuse uh, er answer for that one.
truth to power

Cleveland, OH

#27467 Sep 16, 2013
Lerxst wrote:
<quoted text>
Reasons to continue in the direction we are going have been repeatedly posted in this forum (i.e. budget surplus, teacher's contract settled, return of busing, lower pay to play fees, lower tax amount proposed on the upcoming levy, etc.). Go visit http://educatespringboro.org/ for more. If the candidates on the ballot continue that (whether Malone, Stuckey, Anderson or Mickey Mouse) then they will get my vote.
If three seats were to be elected and I had only these options, I'd vote for Mickey.
Then I'd submit write-in ballots for Goofy and Pluto.

From what has been seen, heard, uttered, written and posted thus far, Malone Stuckey and Anderson are developing (sigh, yet another) "for the kids" campaign theme. So far their campaigns are not positive efforts. Most of their energies appears to be involved in making carefully selective attacks at past or present school board decisions, or worse, board members themselves. This community is not hearing anything from Malone Stuckey or Anderson about their respective individual visions or plans for Springboro Schools.

Just like you eloquently posted, Lerxst, this current board has brought financial stability to this district - Financial stability for the first time in a decade. By focusing on financial stability as a first priority, it eventually opened many doors that allowed the board to address scores upon scores of long overdue student educational needs and long overdue infrastructure needs. And of course as everyone knows, recently the teachers got the payday they were looking for.

This community remembers o-so-well the levels of manipulation it was forced through during the tax-and-spend Baker years. Voters in this community are wise enough to understand that voting in Malone Stuckey and Anderson represent a regressive a step toward a similiar type of lack of accountability this district suffered from during Detwiller-Baker. Voters in this community have a clear realization that school board meeting audiences are pre-planned well in advance to be heavily seated by with those in support of the teachers union. These union members have no qualms about USING THEIR CHILDREN as shills to help ensure that future padding is placed in the insides of their purses and wallets.
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27468 Sep 16, 2013
truth to power wrote:
<quoted text>
If three seats were to be elected and I had only these options, I'd vote for Mickey.
Then I'd submit write-in ballots for Goofy and Pluto.
From what has been seen, heard, uttered, written and posted thus far, Malone Stuckey and Anderson are developing (sigh, yet another) "for the kids" campaign theme. So far their campaigns are not positive efforts. Most of their energies appears to be involved in making carefully selective attacks at past or present school board decisions, or worse, board members themselves. This community is not hearing anything from Malone Stuckey or Anderson about their respective individual visions or plans for Springboro Schools.
Just like you eloquently posted, Lerxst, this current board has brought financial stability to this district - Financial stability for the first time in a decade. By focusing on financial stability as a first priority, it eventually opened many doors that allowed the board to address scores upon scores of long overdue student educational needs and long overdue infrastructure needs. And of course as everyone knows, recently the teachers got the payday they were looking for.
This community remembers o-so-well the levels of manipulation it was forced through during the tax-and-spend Baker years. Voters in this community are wise enough to understand that voting in Malone Stuckey and Anderson represent a regressive a step toward a similiar type of lack of accountability this district suffered from during Detwiller-Baker. Voters in this community have a clear realization that school board meeting audiences are pre-planned well in advance to be heavily seated by with those in support of the teachers union. These union members have no qualms about USING THEIR CHILDREN as shills to help ensure that future padding is placed in the insides of their purses and wallets.
You realize that doing that hands the victory to MSA. Your choice.
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27469 Sep 16, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU keep giving us reasons to look at other candidates that may be better qualified...based on your own criteria.
And yet no names are uttered. MSA will win on name recognition alone. Don't you people understand elections? Obama does.
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27470 Sep 16, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Money that is planned and allocated for purchases must still move through the proper channels to ensure our district spends that money responsibly, rationally, and reasonably to the best accrued benefit of us all.
Nice diversion. The board claimed that the technology would be in place for this school year.(actually because of the common core dollars, it has to be) That's why the teachers have the laptops and the towers were removed.
reality

Cleveland, OH

#27471 Sep 16, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Speaking of meaningless lawsuits and wasting people's money just because you can, let me present exhibit number one in the history of David Stuckey.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1987-08-27...
Unfortunately for Mr Stuckey he did not prevail, more than one person in this community has commented over the years on how much better of a basketball coach he was than Mr. Holtrey.
A quarter century later - What has changed?...nothing!

It is unfortunate that many in this and other communities have become so numb and apathetic to the public sector's abject sense of entitlement.
tellthetruth

Cleveland, OH

#27473 Sep 16, 2013
School board president brought identity fraud complaint

Assistant fire chief under investigation Blog post basis for identity fraud probe

Posted: 12:05 a.m. Thursday, Sept. 12, 2013

By Lawrence Budd - Staff Writer

Kelly Kohls, president of the Springboro school board, filed a complaint that resulted in the investigation of an assistant fire chief facing an identity fraud allegation, according to a police report obtained by the Dayton Daily News.

Kohls reported to Clearcreek Twp. police on July 27 that someone posed as her in an internet blog focused on Springboro school levy issues, according to the report.

The initial report that triggered the investgation of Chris Vecchi, assistant fire chief in Clearcreek Township, was obtained Wednesday in response to a newspaper request for documents.

The blog post was made on July 27 in a discussion of the need for a school levy in Springboro, according to the report.

The board recently voted to seek renewal of a reduced levy for operating funds after months of heated community debate. District voters have rejected five consecutive levies for new operating funds.

Vecchi was placed on administrative leave on Aug. 15, pending results of an identity fraud investigation by police and an internal investigation, according to township records.

Authorities began focusing on Vecchi after investigating Kohls’ complaint and obtaining a warrant that enabled them to identify the source of the blog posting, Clearcreek Twp. Police Chief John Terrill said Wednesday.

No charges have been filed.
Terrill said he still is investigating whether there is enough proof to bring one or more criminal charges.

“That may lead to one. It may lead to more than one,” Terrill said.

Vecchi’s suspension notice said he is accused of identity fraud, a fifth-degree felony.

The Clearcreeek Township Fire District provides fire protection and ambulance service in Springboro and the township. Springboro has its own police department.

Kohls, who is not seeking re-election, could not be reached for comment.

Vecchi’s lawyer said he is working with a township lawyer to resolve the matter.

As part of his administrative leave requirements, Vecchi, a firefighter in Clearcreek Twp. since September 2003, is required to remain at his home from 9 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. on weekdays. No disciplinary hearing has been scheduled.

Warren County Prosecutor David Fornshell said his office was contacted by Clearcreek police about an identity fraud case.

“Nobody was identified at that time,” Fornshell said in an email earlier this week.

In Ohio, identity fraud is the criminal charge used in cases involving the alleged theft of a person’s identity or fraud committed using the stolen identity, according to authorities.

“Identity theft and identity fraud are terms used to refer to all types of crime in which someone wrongfully obtains and uses another person’s personal data in some way that involves fraud or deception, typically for economic gain,” according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

There is no allegation of financial gain in this case. Still Terrill said using someone’s identity on a blog could result in criminal action.

“Sometimes you are responsible for the words that you write,” Terrill said.
reality

Cleveland, OH

#27474 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
You realize that doing that hands the victory to MSA. Your choice.
What do I realize? Any or all of the following...

You lack enough COGNITIVE ABILITY to click on the Warren County Board of Elections website (the link I PROVIDED to you earlier), the website that provides names of candidates running for Springboro school board, as well as other Warren county elections.

-or-

You are much too A.D.D. to wait until said candidates make their respective strategic campaign moves.

-or-

You are inherently, a jerk.
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27475 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet no names are uttered. MSA will win on name recognition alone. Don't you people understand elections? Obama does.
...no names are uttered, you say? Obviously, you are not listening in the RIGHT places.

Do you still not know that your MSA team has been LEFT behind the RIGHT campaign trail in the continued direction of our reform minded board philosophy?

Do you still not know, that voters all around town doing what's right for our school district and community, all agree that
"there is no place in our children's 21st century education for
the status quo leadership of Ron Malone's past 40 years of expertise?"

Waste Watchers

Akron, OH

#27476 Sep 16, 2013
tellthetruth wrote:
School board president brought identity fraud complaint
Assistant fire chief under investigation Blog post basis for identity fraud probe
Posted: 12:05 a.m. Thursday, Sept. 12, 2013
By Lawrence Budd - Staff Writer
Kelly Kohls, president of the Springboro school board, filed a complaint that resulted in the investigation of an assistant fire chief facing an identity fraud allegation, according to a police report obtained by the Dayton Daily News.
Kohls reported to Clearcreek Twp. police on July 27 that someone posed as her in an internet blog focused on Springboro school levy issues, according to the report.
The initial report that triggered the investgation of Chris Vecchi, assistant fire chief in Clearcreek Township, was obtained Wednesday in response to a newspaper request for documents.
The blog post was made on July 27 in a discussion of the need for a school levy in Springboro, according to the report.
The board recently voted to seek renewal of a reduced levy for operating funds after months of heated community debate. District voters have rejected five consecutive levies for new operating funds.
Vecchi was placed on administrative leave on Aug. 15, pending results of an identity fraud investigation by police and an internal investigation, according to township records.
Authorities began focusing on Vecchi after investigating Kohls’ complaint and obtaining a warrant that enabled them to identify the source of the blog posting, Clearcreek Twp. Police Chief John Terrill said Wednesday.
No charges have been filed.
Terrill said he still is investigating whether there is enough proof to bring one or more criminal charges.
“That may lead to one. It may lead to more than one,” Terrill said.
Vecchi’s suspension notice said he is accused of identity fraud, a fifth-degree felony.
The Clearcreeek Township Fire District provides fire protection and ambulance service in Springboro and the township. Springboro has its own police department.
Kohls, who is not seeking re-election, could not be reached for comment.
Vecchi’s lawyer said he is working with a township lawyer to resolve the matter.
As part of his administrative leave requirements, Vecchi, a firefighter in Clearcreek Twp. since September 2003, is required to remain at his home from 9 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. on weekdays. No disciplinary hearing has been scheduled.
Warren County Prosecutor David Fornshell said his office was contacted by Clearcreek police about an identity fraud case.
“Nobody was identified at that time,” Fornshell said in an email earlier this week.
In Ohio, identity fraud is the criminal charge used in cases involving the alleged theft of a person’s identity or fraud committed using the stolen identity, according to authorities.
“Identity theft and identity fraud are terms used to refer to all types of crime in which someone wrongfully obtains and uses another person’s personal data in some way that involves fraud or deception, typically for economic gain,” according to the U.S. Department of Justice.
There is no allegation of financial gain in this case. Still Terrill said using someone’s identity on a blog could result in criminal action.
“Sometimes you are responsible for the words that you write,” Terrill said.
Responsible taxpaying citizens should contact Clearcreek Township Administrator, Dennis Pickett, and ask that Mr. Kidd bring an apology to citizens at the next township government meeting.
Mr. Kidd should bring Mr. Vecchi's resignation, with an apology to Clearcreek/Springboro citizens for this unacceptable behavior.
How can we trust our Fire Chief's judgement for future decisions unless he makes the responsible decision to relieve Mr. Vecchi of his irresponsible public service?

"Find out just what thie people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." - Frederick Douglass
Waste Watchers

Akron, OH

#27477 Sep 16, 2013
reality wrote:
<quoted text>
A quarter century later - What has changed?...nothing!
It is unfortunate that many in this and other communities have become so numb and apathetic to the public sector's abject sense of entitlement.
Totally Agree!
Unfortunate, indeed, and very WASTEFUL of our
tax dollars.

Guess that's to be expected in such a wealthy affluent community when citizens would rather pay up and go along to just get along with local government leaders, rather than face the personal attacks and injustices, that our public sector's sense of entitlement, has done to good citizens like Kelly Kohls (simply because of her political beliefs of fiscal responsibility).

Whatever happened to those four Springboro teachers/coaches who "lawyered up" for legal protection instead of telling the truth regarding their behaviors in question?

Wasn't one of those four teacher/coaches, Mr. Benjamin, who was just granted a supplemental sports contract for the new school year? What subjects does Mr. Benjamin teach at the school?

Also, does anyone know if the Tammy Grigsby lawsuit has been settled?
Waste Watchers

Akron, OH

#27478 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice diversion. The board claimed that the technology would be in place for this school year.(actually because of the common core dollars, it has to be) That's why the teachers have the laptops and the towers were removed.
Your diversions are not nice. Your constant criticisms and negative complaints about everything good that our reform-minded board members have achieved in our school district (in less than two years) is a waste of time.

These changes in the way that our school district finances our children's future education are so BIG and so EFFECTIVE and so BENEFICAL, what possible difference do you think your wasteful war of words will make, no matter how long you keep "fighting on?"

"People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson--
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27479 Sep 16, 2013
reality wrote:
<quoted text>
What do I realize? Any or all of the following...
You lack enough COGNITIVE ABILITY to click on the Warren County Board of Elections website (the link I PROVIDED to you earlier), the website that provides names of candidates running for Springboro school board, as well as other Warren county elections.
-or-
You are much too A.D.D. to wait until said candidates make their respective strategic campaign moves.
-or-
You are inherently, a jerk.
And there's the name calling again. I've come to expect it.
lol

Akron, OH

#27480 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
And there's the name calling again. I've come to expect it.
..you asked for it! You got it!
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27481 Sep 16, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
..you asked for it! You got it!
TOYOTA!!
Heart Burn

Atlanta, GA

#27482 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet no names are uttered. MSA will win on name recognition alone. Don't you people understand elections? Obama does.
Sigh...we've addressed this before, although you ignored the response. I'll try again. How did name recognition work out for a sitting BOE president and a lawyer with a thriving practice here in Boro...Ira Thomsen. A total unknown with a different message whipped him good in a landslide...Kelly Kohls. How did name recognition work out for long time BOE member & President and local Boro Post Master Mike Kruse? How about the SEA teacher with a daughter that is also a SEA teacher, Mary jane Gregg? How did name recognition work out for sitting BOE member Gentry Ellis? Or the big name in name recognition...Lisa Babb? They all ran on name recognition and no message. And how did they all get beat by no names Rigano and Petroni? By running a campaign that had a solid message of why they were running, what they were willing to do to better the kids, the district and the community as a whole. Not a campaign based on revenge of taking "their" board back.

As far as Obama understanding elections...he understands to rely on low information voters that beleive the lip service he gives them. You know...voters that don't do their homework, voters that believe the hype but don't listen to the facts. Voters that decide who to vote for based on sound bites. Voters that, for instance, would say voting for a BOE member with no kids in the district is wrong, voting for a BOE member that sues the district is wrong, voting for a BOE member that has personal agendas and conflicts of interest are the wrong reasons to vote for said candidate, but then say they already have their mind made up to vote for those candidates that share the same negative traits you are against...Sound like anyone YOU know...a typical low information type voter?

Luckily for us this is a local election and Warren County and Boro in general is full of voters that have shown time and time again to do actual homework, vote for the candidates that stand out with positive messages of what they are willing to do to improve the district. Of course there are those exceptions...YOU know what I mean. LOL.
lol

Akron, OH

#27483 Sep 16, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
TOYOTA!!
...homework done?
Just Asking

Akron, OH

#27484 Sep 16, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
<quoted text>
Sigh...we've addressed this before, although you ignored the response. I'll try again. How did name recognition work out for a sitting BOE president and a lawyer with a thriving practice here in Boro...Ira Thomsen. A total unknown with a different message whipped him good in a landslide...Kelly Kohls. How did name recognition work out for long time BOE member & President and local Boro Post Master Mike Kruse? How about the SEA teacher with a daughter that is also a SEA teacher, Mary jane Gregg? How did name recognition work out for sitting BOE member Gentry Ellis? Or the big name in name recognition...Lisa Babb? They all ran on name recognition and no message. And how did they all get beat by no names Rigano and Petroni? By running a campaign that had a solid message of why they were running, what they were willing to do to better the kids, the district and the community as a whole. Not a campaign based on revenge of taking "their" board back.
As far as Obama understanding elections...he understands to rely on low information voters that beleive the lip service he gives them. You know...voters that don't do their homework, voters that believe the hype but don't listen to the facts. Voters that decide who to vote for based on sound bites. Voters that, for instance, would say voting for a BOE member with no kids in the district is wrong, voting for a BOE member that sues the district is wrong, voting for a BOE member that has personal agendas and conflicts of interest are the wrong reasons to vote for said candidate, but then say they already have their mind made up to vote for those candidates that share the same negative traits you are against...Sound like anyone YOU know...a typical low information type voter?
Luckily for us this is a local election and Warren County and Boro in general is full of voters that have shown time and time again to do actual homework, vote for the candidates that stand out with positive messages of what they are willing to do to improve the district. Of course there are those exceptions...YOU know what I mean. LOL.
Wonder if anybody else who studied the HSTW Ohio Regions Technical Assistance Visit Report, SHS, December 14-15, 2010, noticed that one of the eight team members was Jane Gregg, Community Member/Miami University Adjunct. Is this the same Mary Jane Gregg who has a Springboro School teacher/daughter; and is this the same Mary Jane Gregg who was one of the four 2011 Union school board candidates?

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