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Dayton, OH

#27262 Sep 11, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
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...And here lies the problem:
Springboro Schools received three overall “A” grades and two overall “B” grades on the new state report card. Ohio is raising the bar with a system of A–F letter grades so that educators, parents and taxpayers can see how schools are performing and where we can improve. We are using our school performance data to guide improvements and individualized instruction for all students. For example, the savings from our efficiency plans are invested in increased gifted education and reading intervention for 2013-2014.(visit the springboro schools website for our state report card)
Inquiring minds remember when Springboro parents, David Bowman and Lisa Babb, ran a successful opposition campaign, to our reform-minded board member's proposal, to consider hiring an educational group to study the possibilities of unmet needs in our students potential higher achievements in academic education(including the gifted).
This educational study was tabled, in favor of the emotional pleas that our school district not put the Springboro Community Assistance Program for the needy in jeopardy. The majority agreed that God loves panthers; and we cannot allow the cost of this educational study to risk starving our little children and their families who are dependent upon food from the Springboro Community Assistance program.(Isn't one of the board members of the Community asisstance program a local pastor and a member of the Sprinboro City Council?)
Inquiring minds question the validity of this emotionally blackmailing argument of Springboro parents, David Bowman and Lisa Babb, since our school district has only 5% of our families qualifying for the taxpayer-funded FREE? lunch program at Springboro Schools; that, in turn, qualifies Springboro Schools to the federal entitlement program; that forces our school cafeteria business manager to increase the cost of school lunches for every Springboro family that is financially able to feed lunch to their own children.
Inquiring minds question the irony of it all....
Where is the concern of Springboro parents, David Bowman and Lisa Babb, now that our state report card issues a D for Springboro Schools "gifted?"
Why are we receiving requests from the high school principal for every family to donate food to the Springboro Community Assistance program that is now supporting food pantries throughout the state of Ohio? Why are taxpayers funding our professional educators to do the volunteer charity work of the home and the church?
More complaining about what is and not what can be. Which candidates do you support? 3 seats are up and the only names people keep saying are the ones they "supposedly" don't want voted in. Unless this is actually reverse psychology....

Name your candidates (if you can).
OK mr obvious

Cleveland, OH

#27263 Sep 11, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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More complaining about what is and not what can be. Which candidates do you support? 3 seats are up and the only names people keep saying are the ones they "supposedly" don't want voted in. Unless this is actually reverse psychology....
Name your candidates (if you can).
This candidate's name is on the Warren County Board of Election website. If you are capable of utilizing deductive reasoning, it is fair to say that you've got a 50/50 chance of coming up with the correct name.
Question the Curriculum

Cleveland, OH

#27264 Sep 11, 2013
Larry Schweikart, New York Times Best Seller, Professor at the University of Dayton, author of "The Patriots History of the United States"...

...is coming to town to speak for 30 minutes at the Springboro Board of Education meeting Thursday night Sept. 12.

Mr. Schweikart will be speaking on "Why it is Important to get American History Correct". Teaching students TRUE, ACCURATE AND HONEST American history - our future depends on it!

Thursday Sept. 12
7:00 PM
Springboro High School
1675 S. Main St.
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27265 Sep 11, 2013
Question the Curriculum wrote:
Larry Schweikart, New York Times Best Seller, Professor at the University of Dayton, author of "The Patriots History of the United States"...
...is coming to town to speak for 30 minutes at the Springboro Board of Education meeting Thursday night Sept. 12.
Mr. Schweikart will be speaking on "Why it is Important to get American History Correct". Teaching students TRUE, ACCURATE AND HONEST American history - our future depends on it!
Thursday Sept. 12
7:00 PM
Springboro High School
1675 S. Main St.
Teaching students TRUE, ACCURATE AND HONEST American history - our future depends on it!.... PRICELESS!

No question about it, this discussion is in the direction of the leadership needed in our public school board business meetings!
Our school commuity and our community as a whole need to hear more, more, more emphasis on the value of an accurate and honest American history education; and no more bullying for more, more, more re-emphasis on the increased dollar value of the educator.

Just one question -- what happened to the TV broadcasts of the board meetings?
reality

Cleveland, OH

#27267 Sep 11, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
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Just one question -- what happened to the TV broadcasts of the board meetings?
Not 100% sure about this but at a recent meeting I'm pretty sure I saw the cameraman being taken down by a disheartened hard core Babb supporter.
Stay Focused

Akron, OH

#27268 Sep 11, 2013
Vote For Success wrote:
In case you missed this exciting e-mail news from Springboro Schools....
Springboro Community City Schools
E-News Update
July 17, 2013
SCHOOL BOARD APPROVES AGREEMENT WITH TEACHERS
On July 16, the Springboro Community City Schools Board of Education (BOE) voted unanimously in favor of a new agreement with the Springboro Education Association (SEA). The announcement comes less than a week after the BOE approved a new agreement with the Springboro Classified Employees Association (SCEA).
The highlights of the two-year agreement with the SEA include:
• 80/20 healthcare insurance with employees paying 20%, and school district paying 80%
• 2% raise on base pay for both years one and two
• Step raises for two years
• Establishing a committee to put an equitable performance pay system in place
In comparison, the four-year agreement with the SCEA includes these provisions:
• Step raises for three years
•$1,000 annual stipend for three years
• 80/20 healthcare insurance with employees paying 20%, and school district paying 80%
“This is outstanding news for our employees, taxpayers and students and their families,” said Kelly Kohls, BOE President.“We have an agreement we can afford and that will make our school district more competitive. We will be able to retain our best teachers and attract new top-notch teaching staff. The Springboro School District continues to provide a quality education. We thank our parents, students, community, teachers, administrators and non-teaching staff for our district’s achievements. We look forward to continued excellence in the future.”
Let's stay on this new course and move in the direction of leadership for our children, schools and community.

Springboro Loves Our Children First....!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27269 Sep 11, 2013
The Florida experience with raising expectations and the degree of rigor of the assessment test, has proved that people tend to rise to the level of competency required.

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/State_Relea...

The first year of the new standards saw modest increases in actual scores compared to the previous year. People began to realize it did not matter what you called a score, it was more important that children were actually learning.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-06-0...

Those who advocate retreating to familiar territory are almost certain to never advance.

The stakes are too high for our children to be burdened by certain adults unwarranted fears.

Vote in November to advance rather than retreat.
PBS

Dayton, OH

#27270 Sep 11, 2013
Question the Curriculum wrote:
Larry Schweikart, New York Times Best Seller, Professor at the University of Dayton, author of "The Patriots History of the United States"...
...is coming to town to speak for 30 minutes at the Springboro Board of Education meeting Thursday night Sept. 12.
Mr. Schweikart will be speaking on "Why it is Important to get American History Correct". Teaching students TRUE, ACCURATE AND HONEST American history - our future depends on it!
Thursday Sept. 12
7:00 PM
Springboro High School
1675 S. Main St.
The same Larry Schweikart that produced 'Rockin' the Wall' as seen on PBS, you know "the 'People's' Broadcasting Service with its splendid reputation of almost three solid generations of wholesale liberal-socialist brainwashing. "
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27271 Sep 11, 2013
Isn't Larry Schweikart the author of the book:

48 Liberal Lies About American History
(That You Probably Learned in School)

This should be on the must read list for all our citizens, including professional educators and students who aren't even old enough to vote!
very interesting

Cleveland, OH

#27272 Sep 11, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
Isn't Larry Schweikart the author of the book:
48 Liberal Lies About American History
(That You Probably Learned in School)
This should be on the must read list for all our citizens, including professional educators and students who aren't even old enough to vote!
7:26 minute youtube review:
Larry Schweikart's "48 Liberal Lies About American History"



I'm very much looking forward to hearing Mr. Schweikart's presentation tomorrow evening.
Lurker

Englewood, OH

#27273 Sep 11, 2013
Who's paying his speaker fees? How can a non-Springboro resident get to speak at the Baord meeting for 30 minutes?
Question the Curriculum wrote:
Larry Schweikart, New York Times Best Seller, Professor at the University of Dayton, author of "The Patriots History of the United States"...
...is coming to town to speak for 30 minutes at the Springboro Board of Education meeting Thursday night Sept. 12.
Mr. Schweikart will be speaking on "Why it is Important to get American History Correct". Teaching students TRUE, ACCURATE AND HONEST American history - our future depends on it!
Thursday Sept. 12
7:00 PM
Springboro High School
1675 S. Main St.
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27274 Sep 11, 2013
Lurker wrote:
Who's paying his speaker fees? How can a non-Springboro resident get to speak at the Baord meeting for 30 minutes?
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Isn't the REAL question for SURE: How can a non-Springboro resident get to speak at the Board meeting for 30 minutes without being sneered at and jeered at by those hoping to silence all voices except their collective own?
Do your homework

Tipp City, OH

#27275 Sep 11, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
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Isn't the REAL question for SURE: How can a non-Springboro resident get to speak at the Board meeting for 30 minutes without being sneered at and jeered at by those hoping to silence all voices except their collective own?
Speakers like this is EXACTLY why the BOE needs to be changed. There were about $250,000 in budget items that are not budgeted for, overcrowded class rooms and this is what we have during school board meetings? I'm guessing his connection to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh have nothing to do with why a non-Springboro resident is speaking at a School Board Meeting.

Mark my words, as long as the board keeps stunts like this up, the are ENSURING VICTORY for MSA in November.

Taken from a review:
"7 Events That Made America America is a conservative's look at what the author thinks are some important moments in the history of the USA. Mr. Schweikart is an excellent writer and he puts his points across well. The seven events he thinks are of critical importance are: 1. Martin Van Buren's idea about political parties (the spoils system) 2. The Dread Scott decision 3. The Johnstown flood 4. Eisenhower's heart attack 5. Western rock and roll penetrates the iron curtain 6. Ronald Regan's sending the Marines to Lebanon 7. Obama's favorable media treatment. "

He actually blames Reagan for pulling out of Lebanon. From another review: "Ronald Regan was a great president, but he made some serious mistakes. And the one that we are still paying for is his pull out of Lebanon after more than a hundred Marines were killed by a truck bomb. You can debate whether we should have been there or how the marines should have been better deployed, but the reality is that by pulling out, in the eyes of the Muslim fundamentalists that became Al Queda and similar organizations, we shamed ourselves. "

Even more interesting is what his students say about him. He's great as long as you don't try to bring up contradictory FACTS in his class. So much for presenting "both sides" bet he's not much for "controversial issues".
Do your homework

Tipp City, OH

#27276 Sep 11, 2013
very interesting wrote:
<quoted text>
7:26 minute youtube review:
Larry Schweikart's "48 Liberal Lies About American History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =22KluXlrTT8XX
I'm very much looking forward to hearing Mr. Schweikart's presentation tomorrow evening.
You can watch him all day long on youtube (literally) why does he need to speak at a meeting inteded for the business of our school?
Do your homework

Tipp City, OH

#27277 Sep 11, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
Isn't Larry Schweikart the author of the book:
48 Liberal Lies About American History
(That You Probably Learned in School)
This should be on the must read list for all our citizens, including professional educators and students who aren't even old enough to vote!
Not according to the reviewer on Amazon that said: "I fear that if you're an educated conservative, and you've had the misfortune of reading this book, you've already pulled a good deal amount of hair out of your head like I have, internally pleading with Schweikart not to be such a bad writer and worse a bad spokesman for a cause.

Look: forget that these aren't really common things anyone is taught in school. Forget that many of these arguments are in fact originated by anti-government types. Forget that Schweikart is an abominable writer and harms the conservative movement by making it look like buffoonery. IN FACT.......you know what?.....Just forget this book ever came out."

Not excatly a glowing reveiw from a conservative.
Do your homework

Tipp City, OH

#27278 Sep 11, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
Isn't Larry Schweikart the author of the book:
48 Liberal Lies About American History
(That You Probably Learned in School)
This should be on the must read list for all our citizens, including professional educators and students who aren't even old enough to vote!
Another interesting review from Amazon:
"I read this book, as well as others by Larry Schweikart, while prepping for my AP US History exam last year. The one thing I can honestly say is that while some of the "lies" in this book are correct, for the most part Larry Schweikart doesn't know what he is talking about. Sometimes he takes one simple fact and turns it on it's head to the point where it is no longer recognizably true while at other times, he completely skips over parts that would completely rebute his statments. I'm not saying this as a "Liberal" (I'm actually pretty far from it) but from a historians point of view. If I thought reading A Patriot's History of the United States gave me ulcers, you don't want to know what this book did to me. I'm also not a huge Howard Zinn fanatic but, in the battle between Zinn and Schweikart, Zinn definetly knows his history more. It's time that Larry Schweikart stopped writting about what the founding fathers would have thought about everyone else's actions and start thinking about what they would have thought about his own. "

This guy isn't exactly one to fly under the radar. Especailly when Zinn is quoted as more of a historian.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27279 Sep 11, 2013
Zinn was a laughing stock to real credentialed historians when he wrote the People's History.

It was only decades later that he became the CAUSE CÉLÈBRE the left has made of him and his works.

Historians from, Harvard, Stanford, Georgetown, etc scorched his book as one sided, out of context, puerile load of baby dung.

These were by no ones descriptions, right wing hack jobs, but more often than not pink diaper babies, raised and nurtured by far left leaning socialist from birth through grad school and beyond.

Zinn fails on the weight of his own nonsense, he needs no help from anyone else.
Do your homework

Tipp City, OH

#27280 Sep 11, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Zinn was a laughing stock to real credentialed historians when he wrote the People's History.
It was only decades later that he became the CAUSE CÉLÈBRE the left has made of him and his works.
Historians from, Harvard, Stanford, Georgetown, etc scorched his book as one sided, out of context, puerile load of baby dung.
These were by no ones descriptions, right wing hack jobs, but more often than not pink diaper babies, raised and nurtured by far left leaning socialist from birth through grad school and beyond.
Zinn fails on the weight of his own nonsense, he needs no help from anyone else.
And STILL a conservative claims Zinn is more a historian than Larry Schweikart! My point exactly.

Several historians have scorched Schweikart as well. Far right is just as bad as far left. What ever happened to the middle? Oh yea the rich took their money and they joined the lower class....(cause trickle down worked so well...)
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27281 Sep 12, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
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And STILL a conservative claims Zinn is more a historian than Larry Schweikart! My point exactly.
Several historians have scorched Schweikart as well. Far right is just as bad as far left. What ever happened to the middle? Oh yea the rich took their money and they joined the lower class....(cause trickle down worked so well...)
As per usual, you would be horribly wrong in your assertions.

Zinn, however bad as a historian, has been embraced by the left as a purveyor of whatever simplistic pablum they find useful on any given day. Prior to the love fest, his works enjoyed less esteem among well read circles.

Noted Harvard professor Oscar Handlin writing in the American Scholar wrote a review when they book was first published in 1980:

" Hence the deranged quality of this fairy tale, in which the incidents are made to fit the legend, no matter how intractable the evidence of American history. It may be unfair to expose to critical scrutiny a work patched together from secondary sources, many used uncritically (Jennings, Williams), others ravaged for material torn out of context (Young, Pike). Any careful reader will perceive that Zinn is a stranger to evidence bearing upon the people about whom he purports to write. But only critics who know the sources will recognize the complex array of devices that pervert his pages... On the other hand, the book conveniently omits whatever does not fit its overriding thesis... It would be a mistake, however, to regard Zinn as merely Anti-American. Brendan Behan once observed that whoever hated America hated mankind, and hatred of mankind is the dominant tone of Zinn's book... He lavishes indiscriminate condemnation upon all the works of man — that is, upon civilization, a word he usually encloses in quotation marks."

Who is Oscar Handlin?

An American historian. As a professor of history at Harvard University for over 50 years, he directed 80 PhD dissertations and helped promote social and ethnic history. Handlin won the Pulitzer Prize for History in 1952 with The Uprooted. Handlin's 1965 testimony before Congress was said to "have played an important role" in abolishing a discriminatory immigration quota system in the U.S.
Handlin was born in Brooklyn, New York, the eldest of three children of Russian-Jewish immigrants. His mother, the former, Ida Yanowitz, came to the United States in 1904 and worked in the garment industry. His father, Joseph, came to America in 1913 after attending a commercial college in the Ukraine and later being stationed in Harbin, China as a soldier during the Russo-Japanese war. Handlin's parents were passionately devoted to literature and the life of the mind. Their experience of religious persecution in Czarist Russia made them fiercely devoted to democracy and social justice (Handlin was a proto-"red diaper baby."

No one. under any circumstances, would consider this man to be a right wing fanatic
I was looking for your critique sources but found them lacking, also as per usual.
Question Everything

Akron, OH

#27282 Sep 12, 2013
The Baker/Dettwiller/Long days of the good old boys are now in the archives of the educaion business in Springboro Community City Schools.

All of the Good for our students that was accomplished during their BDL oppressive reign of
"ask me no questions - just pay the big bills"
....has now evolved into budget transparency and allowing all citizens of Springboro to have a place at the table in the board room.

Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners have only just begun to question WHY our school community employees project such a negative, cynical attitude toward our broader vision of educational needs for our student's 21st century education; Inquiring minds question WHY our SEA wants to keep "knowledge" in a lock box with only union teachers holding the key? How in the world can that be "responsible education?"

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