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Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27121 Sep 2, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
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Dr. Malone isn't a Miley Cyrus popularity hound, he's an experienced educator with the respect of his community.
That I would not bet upon, the first part that is. I recall him basking in the glow of a manufactured love fest when the board decided he could better serve the district in the Central Office. Given his years of experience and obvious influence with the education community in Springboro it seemed a natural fit for Mr. Malone to impact 5600 young lives as opposed to just 1500.

Mr. Malone appeared on television as a man overwhelmed by the support and relished his appearance the following day on the Fox Morning show, I believe it was. All of this would seem quite touching if we did not later discover he was the one organizing his own show of support.

But every deed has a silver lining and this one has a particularly large one. Had not Mr. Malone organized his own Save Our Principal rally he might have wound up with a key job in the school district.

Why would that be bad you may ask?

Seems as though Mr. Malone was deep sixing critical reports of his tenure and leadership at the high school. Audits that were bought and paid for as part of the High Schools That Work program were finding their way to Mr. Malone's office and being submerged deep inside file cabinets. What was in those documents that Mr. Malone did not want to share with the public or even see the light of day?

Page 10

From the 2012 report by the Warren County Educational Service Center.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HS ...

"SHS still offers general level classes (Algebra 1A and !B, physical science, US HIstory, and World History) Thus, not all students experience a college preparatory curriculum. Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that contrary to the High Schools That Work (HSTW) philosophy, SHS believes that offering low level courses is in the best interest of students. THIS BELIEF, however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED BY RESEARCH OR DATA."

Dumbing down the curriculum is apparently not in the best interest of the student.

Nothing substantiates this belief in either research or data.

Yet, that was the path Mr. Malone chose for your children.

These are not my conclusions, but the conclusions of professional educators at the Warren County Educational Service Center hired by the school district to audit our program of studies before this board ever came to be.

When asked to recommend three new classes in January 2011, Mr. Malone came up with one forced on him by the board to flesh out our math program, A/P Statistics. The other two were a guitar class to teach kids how to play the guitar and a current events class that allowed children to read the newspaper and talk about what was going on in the area. The board, to its credit sank, the guitar class. The board, to its discredit, allowed the current events class.

I imagine we know which way the curriculum will roll if Mr. Malone has his way.

Good bye rigor, hello fun fun stuff.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27122 Sep 2, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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. Everything we know from the fossil record, DNA, geological record, etc. confirms evolutionary theory.
You would be incorrect in your assertion, there remain a myriad of holes within the proposed "theory" that you so eloquently claim explains everything. Evolution explains some things, but not all.

Ask any true scientist if the evolutionary record, as it exists today, will remain unchanged in the future because nothing new can possibly be found that can add anything to our current base of knowledge and understanding.

The statement itself is ludicrous on its face.

The same applies to DNA and fossil records.

If your statements were accurate, then all the scientist of the world could begin pursuing other careers, as your assertions made all of their work superfluous. They will just be wasting time, money, and resources, because everything that can ever be found has already been discovered.

I will endeavor to alert the press and notify the unemployment bureaus to prepare for the rush.
Ask Ron Malone

Cincinnati, OH

#27123 Sep 2, 2013
Question the Principles wrote:
Susan Engel, a senior lecturer in psychology and director of the teaching program at Williams College and the author of Red Flags or Red Herrings? Predicting Who Your Child Willl Become, frames our challenge this: There are two basic problems with education in America...
Problem One: too many kids in America go to schools that don't even begin to offer them the hope of getting to average.
Our second problem, explains Engel, is just as big, if not bigger. It's that "even the nice schools" aren't good enough. These schools have decent facilities, adequate class sizes, a good number of teachers who like their job and/or like kids, and a majority of students who can read, who can pass standarized state tests. These schools are often okay, but not really good.
Too many teachers are not that well educated, not that on fire to be teachers, and not that challenged within the system to be terrific. Such schools often lack any coherent or compelling idea about what a good education consists of, what high schools should emphasize, how to be really vibrant learning communities.
These 'okay' schools may send kids like yours and mine on a good path -- good colleges, good job options--but even in these schools, too many kids are not living up to their intellectual or personal potential. They're not engaged, and not headed to become the inventors, entrepreneurs, and stewards of the Earth that we're going to need.
...Springboro taxpayers are questioning if the Ron Malone threesome, running on the agenda of an insanely popular former SHS principal, and re-instating status quo business as usual, is the ticket that will give us the best return on our investment of school tax dollars in our children's future?
Question: Did you know that according to the Department of Education, about a third of first year students entering college had taken at least one remedial course in reading, writing, or math;.... and having to take just one remedial curse is highly correlated with failure to graduate from college?

Mr. Malone, What do you think of the future of education?

Answer: Education today seems to be narrowing its focus to Emphasize core course: math, science, language arts....
There needs to be a RE-EMPHASIS on the value of the eudcator.

That's the bottom line that school board candidate Ron Malone has for our students' 21st century education; but is it good enough for Springboro parents?
motorvoter

Dayton, OH

#27124 Sep 2, 2013
Doug, I don't think you understand basic scientific principles - or you're being deliberately obtuse. In any event, we should start with the simple stuff.

This is a good stating point - http://notjustatheory.com/

Also, this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theor...

In no way will evolutionary theory ever be "finished" - not in 1000 years. Nor will the germ theory of disease, gravitational theory, etc. Discoveries and findings from experiments are constantly being added to the theory.

It is not the case that there are a myriad of holes in evolutionary theory - at best, just a bunch of babble from pseudo-scientists. You folks haven't even found one anachronistic fossil. The DNA matches up almost perfectly with the fossil record.

But don't take it from me - take it from a bunch of people named Steve - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Steve
Chudbud

Cleveland, OH

#27125 Sep 2, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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I would actually not mind if a few sentences were spent on Christian creationism within the context of discussing Muslim creationism, Roman creationism, Hindu creationism and lots of other creation myths throughout the ages. It certainly is historical fact that people have believed and continue to believe such myths.
But that's not what we're talking about, and you know it. Kelly Kohls and other members of the board were pushing, and perhaps continue to push, the obvious right-wing Christian agenda of supplanting evolution with creationism.
. Not once have they ever suggested supplanting evolution with creationism. Where do you come up with this nonsense? You need not worry anyway. This will never see the light of day in the classroom.
TV Land

Cincinnati, OH

#27126 Sep 2, 2013
Chudbud wrote:
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. Not once have they ever suggested supplanting evolution with creationism. Where do you come up with this nonsense? You need not worry anyway. This will never see the light of day in the classroom.
We've watched a few of the board meetings of the parents who speak out against the board for trying to put religion in the schools; but the way we see it; this proposed policy change is all about protecting our kid's free speech, and all the parents and kids we know are all for that! Many parents are even afraid to speak up for ourselves to the teachers, fearing if we don't agree with their narrow tunnel vision, then our kids may feel the fallout of teacher-wrath if their parents speak up in public. Those of us who respect school leaders and board members who are leading our school district in the right direction are a majority of voters throughout the community; and disagree with the manner in which these few parents are distorting the agenda. They speak to the TV cameras as if they are the only voice; but it is only at the polls that all voices in the community are heard.
motorvoter

Dayton, OH

#27127 Sep 2, 2013
Chudbud wrote:
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This will never see the light of day in the classroom.
Right - as long as voters keep resisting the efforts of creationist nuts.
No Turning Back

Cincinnati, OH

#27128 Sep 2, 2013
Ask Ron Malone wrote:
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"It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change."
--Charles Darwin--
Time to change the subject from Ricki Pepin, Kelly Kohls, and real scientists. Time to ask Ron Malone WHY he is running for school board, now that his "platform of challenging Kelly Kohls" has dropped him to the bottom of the voter's list?
Learning to accept and adapt to change is the skill of a lifetime!
Should we allow Mr. Malone, who has 40 years PAST experience as a professional educator (in his own time) to keep our kids 21st centrury education "left behind" his unchanging belief that we should re-instate union first business as usual?
Not A Chance!

"We must sail sometimes with the wind and sometimes against it---but we must sail, and not drift, nor lie at anchor."
(Oliver Wendell Holmes)
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27129 Sep 2, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
Doug, I don't think you understand basic scientific principles - or you're being deliberately obtuse. In any event, we should start with the simple stuff.
This is a good stating point - http://notjustatheory.com/
Also, this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theor...
In no way will evolutionary theory ever be "finished" - not in 1000 years. Nor will the germ theory of disease, gravitational theory, etc. Discoveries and findings from experiments are constantly being added to the theory.
It is not the case that there are a myriad of holes in evolutionary theory - at best, just a bunch of babble from pseudo-scientists. You folks haven't even found one anachronistic fossil. The DNA matches up almost perfectly with the fossil record.
But don't take it from me - take it from a bunch of people named Steve - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Steve
Who are you folks?

Your post merely served to validate my point that science and knowledge are never ending quests, you seem content on stopping the knowledge train right here and right now because that is where you are comfortable.

Denying any other possible possibilities is akin to denying humankind's innate curiosity. Just because we are afraid of what we may find has never stopped mankind in the past and I doubt very seriously if it will stop mankind in the future.

Assuming that we know all there is to be known about everything is the height of arrogance in a select few in each generation. As time progressed those people were proven irrevocably wrong in their assumptions.

We should not be so closed minded and open ourselves to opportunities to expand our horizons rather than narrowing them.
motorvoter

Dayton, OH

#27130 Sep 2, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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We should not be so closed minded and open ourselves to opportunities to expand our horizons rather than narrowing them.
Science is, in fact, constantly changing. What I don't think you understand is that making superstitious claims is not enough - you actually have to back up your claims with evidence and facts. Unfortunately, there are no facts to support astrology, 911 conspiracy claims, creationism, etc.

You should keep your mind open, but no so open that your brain falls out.

http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/modern_sci...
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27131 Sep 3, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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Science is, in fact, constantly changing. What I don't think you understand is that making superstitious claims is not enough - you actually have to back up your claims with evidence and facts. Unfortunately, there are no facts to support astrology, 911 conspiracy claims, creationism, etc.
You should keep your mind open, but no so open that your brain falls out.
http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/modern_sci...
I do not recall writing any such thing, those are your hang ups, not mine.

If you read back and see how everything you have written, save your rants on oddball topics, have validated my points.

Thank you for your assistance.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27132 Sep 3, 2013
Seems as though Mr. Malone was deep sixing critical reports of his tenure and leadership at the high school. Audits that were bought and paid for as part of the High Schools That Work program were finding their way to Mr. Malone's office and being submerged deep inside file cabinets. What was in those documents that Mr. Malone did not want to share with the public or even see the light of day?

Page 10

From the 2012 report by the Warren County Educational Service Center.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HS ...

"SHS still offers general level classes (Algebra 1A and !B, physical science, US HIstory, and World History) Thus, not all students experience a college preparatory curriculum. Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that contrary to the High Schools That Work (HSTW) philosophy, SHS believes that offering low level courses is in the best interest of students. THIS BELIEF, however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED BY RESEARCH OR DATA."

Dumbing down the curriculum is apparently not in the best interest of the student.

Nothing substantiates this belief in either research or data.

Yet, that was the path Mr. Malone chose for your children.

These are not my conclusions, but the conclusions of professional educators at the Warren County Educational Service Center hired by the school district to audit our program of studies before this board ever came to be.
Clemmer

Miamisburg, OH

#27133 Sep 3, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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Right - as long as voters keep resisting the efforts of creationist nuts.
The fact that you snipped my post speaks volumes.
tellthetruth

Cleveland, OH

#27134 Sep 3, 2013
Why is this guy still around?

Clearcreek administrator retiring after 35 years

CLEARCREEK TWP., Warren County — Township Administrator Dennis Pickett is expected to announce his retirement Wednesday after 35 years in public administration.

Pickett, 57, said he was retiring, effective July 31.“It’s just time,” he said.

Pickett, administrator in Clearcreek Twp. since November 1985, also worked as administrative assistant in Franklin Twp.“I certainly will miss him. He’s been good for Clearcreek Twp.,” said Ed Wade, chairman of the township trustees.

In his time with the township, Pickett has seen the community and staff grow, and the government move from a small office to a sprawling government center.

However, he clashed with Linda Oda, the fiscal officer elected in 2007, prompting a review last year by the trustees. Also last year, Trustee Cathy Anspach sought discipline against Pickett for failing to advise township officials that former trustee Dr. Greg McDonald, a local dentist, had been receiving health insurance for himself and his wife that was subsidized through funds set aside for unemployed workers.

On Tuesday Anspach said their dispute was in the past.

“I think he’s just burned out on the job,” she said.
Parents Two

Cincinnati, OH

#27135 Sep 3, 2013
Clemmer wrote:
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Here here. Who needs balanced budgets, surpluses, lower property taxes, lower pay to play fees and busing anyway? That's right, let's dump all that success and get back to a normal, civilized, student-first educational system in Springboro.
Who needs balanced budgets, surpluses, lower property taxes, lower pay to play fees and busing...? We parents two and our kids do!
We have a generous supply of self-respect, and great civic pride in our safe and affordable schools and community!
Special thanks and appreciation are due from Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners to, our school superintendent/school staff and our entire team of board representatives. Thank You for keeping Springboro a great place to live, work, learn, and play sports!
Parents Two

Cincinnati, OH

#27136 Sep 3, 2013
"Give thanks for unknown blessings already on their way." - Native American Proverb

Thank You, Mr. Pickett! You are wise in making your decison and all good things are wished for you in your happy days ahead "living full time" without the disruption of going into the government office.
Waste Watchers

Cincinnati, OH

#27137 Sep 3, 2013
Did You Know....

The Clearcreek Township August 14 business meeting minutes include this report of Mr. Kidd wasting our hard earned property tax dollars:

...Ms. Anspach moved to approve Resolution #4415 requesting that the Warren County Auditor deduct $19,374.00 from the second half property tax settlement specifically from the 2111Fire Fund to pay for the May 2013 special election....
Waste Watchers

Cincinnati, OH

#27138 Sep 3, 2013
Did You Know...

That Springboro school board candidate, Ron Malone, joined others in support of the 93% fire levy tax increase on every family home in the Springboro/Clearcreek Township voting district?

Is Ron Malone the right choice for Springboro families to trust as elected official gaining control of our multi-million dollar Children's First Budget?

The bottom line is that Malone seeks control of our school budget because the SEA thinks the board should re-emphasis the value of the union teachers in every classroom.

Inquiring minds are asking if voters can trust Ron Malone as a professional educator; when his actions prove his first interest only in his expertise as professional fundraiser for the SEA?
to clarify

Cleveland, OH

#27139 Sep 3, 2013
Waste Watchers wrote:
Did You Know....
The Clearcreek Township August 14 business meeting minutes include this report of Mr. Kidd wasting our hard earned property tax dollars:
...Ms. Anspach moved to approve Resolution #4415 requesting that the Warren County Auditor deduct $19,374.00 from the second half property tax settlement specifically from the 2111Fire Fund to pay for the May 2013 special election....
This requested $19,374.00 is for funding the May election itself, and not for any "VOTE YES" efforts or materials, correct?
doesnt hurt to wish

Cleveland, OH

#27140 Sep 3, 2013
Parents Two wrote:
"Give thanks for unknown blessings already on their way." - Native American Proverb
Thank You, Mr. Pickett! You are wise in making your decison and all good things are wished for you in your happy days ahead "living full time" without the disruption of going into the government office.
Maybe just before he walks out that door for the last time, Pickett will stuff Ed Wade into his back pocket.

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