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Eyes Wide Open

Piqua, OH

#26893 Aug 28, 2013
What is true wrote:
WOW how disappointing our kids got the shaft in high school.
What about Stucky? Did he teach?
Yes, it is disappointing how our kids got the shaft in high school.
Our priority now is making sure in November that Ron Malone does not get a second chance to "shaft" our kids in the board room.
motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#26894 Aug 28, 2013
Does anyone know the scope of the popularity of these phony Constitution classes on Tuesday nights? Apparently they're being taught by someone named Ricki Pepin, who apparently has no law degree or teaching degree or any other discernible qualification.

And it's worse than that. She also peddles religious snake oil. If you send her $30, she'll tell you how to prevent almost all diseases through a Biblical diet. She wants everyone to go back to a time when life expectancy was far lower. And anyone who thinks that diet will cure you should look at the case of Steve Jobs. Despite apparently having no medical qualifications, she thinks she's an expert in this are as well.

At 1:00 of the following video, she expressly rejects the germ theory of disease:
www.youtube.com/watch...

This is the person that the current majority of the Board wants to educate your children regarding the U.S. Constitution.

This just gets more bizarre as time goes on.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26895 Aug 28, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
Does anyone know the scope of the popularity of these phony Constitution classes on Tuesday nights? Apparently they're being taught by someone named Ricki Pepin, who apparently has no law degree or teaching degree or any other discernible qualification.
And it's worse than that. She also peddles religious snake oil. If you send her $30, she'll tell you how to prevent almost all diseases through a Biblical diet. She wants everyone to go back to a time when life expectancy was far lower. And anyone who thinks that diet will cure you should look at the case of Steve Jobs. Despite apparently having no medical qualifications, she thinks she's an expert in this are as well.
At 1:00 of the following video, she expressly rejects the germ theory of disease:
www.youtube.com/watch...
This is the person that the current majority of the Board wants to educate your children regarding the U.S. Constitution.
This just gets more bizarre as time goes on.
It is a sad state of affairs when you would cast aspersions upon someone wishing to advance knowledge regarding the United States Constitution simply because the woman is neither a lawyer nor a professional educator. Ms Peppin does appear to be able to read and comprehend the written word and in all likelihood is better educated by today's standards than the men who wrote the document themselves 230 years ago.

To assume that only a select few with dubious qualifications are competent to interpret the meaning of those words that form the foundation of our country does disservice to the words themselves and the spirit in which they were written.

The second part of your rant against this woman reveals an even slimier side that projects your hatred and disgust of anyone with a belief system that is not your own. I watched and listened to Ms Peppin describe her belief in we are a product of what we eat. I double checked her statements and found that they follow generally accepted medical practice in this country. Too much sugar is bad for you, obesity can lead to undesirable health consequences that can be ameliorated by a common sense diet.

Ms. Peppin makes none of the assertions you abscribe to her and you do not have to be a doctor or medical professional to note them. The evidence, the studies, and the research have been done by abler persons than I in this area. As a consequence I am able to read and comprehend the results of others hard work in these areas without the benefit of a medical degree and draw my own conclusions.

The outright attempt to denigrate this woman for her belief system and faith is nothing less than despicable and once again reveals more about the culture and character of those who purvey this garbage.

Don't let the darkness descend, vote for the sunshine, vote for inclusiveness, and vote for the people who will continue to support the free expression of ideas.
motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#26896 Aug 28, 2013
Heh Doug - before I respond to this in full - I'd like to know - are you sending Ms. Peppin $30.00 to get rid of 80% of the diseases you might one day suffer? She really doesn't say too much about the magic remedies she's discovered, as she really really wants $30.00 a pop, but it does seem that, if you believe that she's qualified,$30.00 is quite a bargain for preventing the suffering and perhaps death of you and your loved ones.

So - when will you be sending her the money?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26897 Aug 28, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
Heh Doug - before I respond to this in full - I'd like to know - are you sending Ms. Peppin $30.00 to get rid of 80% of the diseases you might one day suffer? She really doesn't say too much about the magic remedies she's discovered, as she really really wants $30.00 a pop, but it does seem that, if you believe that she's qualified,$30.00 is quite a bargain for preventing the suffering and perhaps death of you and your loved ones.
So - when will you be sending her the money?
Once again as you so always do, you slime people with innuendo, half truth, and lies.

No where in the video you produced does Ms Peppin make any such claim.

Perhaps you can make sense of this report by peers of Mr. Malone and explain what it means to our readers. It is more on topic about the rigor, or lack thereof, of course work our children face each day and who is responsible for that curriculum.

Ask Mr. Malone who is responsible for that one, or better yet interpret what his peers at the Warren County Educational Services Center who audited his program of studies had to say.

Page 10

From the 2012 report by the Warren County Educational Service Center.

Mr. Malone had been reviewed numerous times previously and made aware of his program of studies shortcomings.

Why did Mr. Malone choose not to pursue the direction and recommendations provided for the benefit of the children?

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HS...

"SHS still offers general level classes (Algebra 1A and !B, physical science, US HIstory, and World History) Thus, not all students experience a college preparatory curriculum. Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that contrary to the High Schools That Work (HSTW) philosophy, SHS believes that offering low level courses is in the best interest of students. THIS BELIEF, however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED BY RESEARCH OR DATA."

Dumbing down the curriculum is apparently not in the best interest of the student.

Nothing substantiates this belief in either research or data.

Yet, that was the path Mr. Malone chose for your children.

These are not my conclusions, but the conclusions of professional educators hired by the school district to audit our program of studies before this board ever came to be.
motorvoter

Cincinnati, OH

#26898 Aug 28, 2013
Heh Doug - if this Pepin has found the magic secret to good health and avoiding death, why doesn't she just tell us? Why does she want to charge $30?

Some Christian, huh?

And this is the person you apparently want to teach constitutional law to your children.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26899 Aug 29, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
Heh Doug - if this Pepin has found the magic secret to good health and avoiding death, why doesn't she just tell us? Why does she want to charge $30?
Some Christian, huh?
And this is the person you apparently want to teach constitutional law to your children.
On a purely voluntary basis, interested ADULTS who wished to learn more about our Constitution did so.

Why do you feel the need to tell less than the truth?

Ms. Peppin is a private citizen who is not employed by our school system, has no sway nor control over our educational system in Springboro, and only wished to utilize space to teach her class.

One person who does have that sway and had that control is one Ron Malone.

Maybe we should be more interested in why Mr. Malone chose, according to his professional peers, to dumb down our curriculum to the detriment of our children, their families, and the taxpayers.
Perhaps you could explain to us mere mortals the meaning of the Warren County Educational Services Centers reports regarding Mr. Malone's dumbing down of our children's curriculum.

Mr. Malone had been reviewed numerous times previously and made aware of his program of studies shortcomings.

Why did Mr. Malone choose not to pursue the direction and recommendations provided for the benefit of the children?

Page 10

From the 2012 report by the Warren County Educational Service Center.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HS...

"SHS still offers general level classes (Algebra 1A and !B, physical science, US HIstory, and World History) Thus, not all students experience a college preparatory curriculum. Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that contrary to the High Schools That Work (HSTW) philosophy, SHS believes that offering low level courses is in the best interest of students. THIS BELIEF, however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED BY RESEARCH OR DATA."

Dumbing down the curriculum is apparently not in the best interest of the student.

Nothing substantiates this belief in either research or data.

Yet, that was the path Mr. Malone chose for your children.

These are not my conclusions, but the conclusions of professional educators hired by the school district to audit our program of studies before this board ever came to be.
Surely You Jest Sir

Maineville, OH

#26900 Aug 29, 2013
It is a sad state of affairs when you would cast aspersions upon someone wishing to advance knowledge regarding the United States Constitution simply because the woman is neither a lawyer nor a professional educator. Ms Peppin does appear to be able to read and comprehend the written word and in all likelihood is better educated by today's standards than the men who wrote the document themselves 230 years ago.

Doug, I doubt that very much. The Founding Fathers were extremely well educated and spoke/read Greek and Latin: Classical training usually began at age eight, whether in a school or at home under the guidance of a private tutor. One remarkable teacher who inculcated his students with a love of the classics was Scotsman Donald Robertson. Many future luminaries were enrolled in his school: James Madison, John Taylor of Caroline, John Tyler and George Rogers Clark, among others. Robertson and teachers like him nourished their charges with a healthy diet of Greek and Latin, and required that they learn to master Virgil, Horace, Justinian, Tacitus, Herodotus, Plutarch, Lucretius and Thucydides. Further along in their education, students were required to translate Cicero’s Orations and Virgil’sAeneid. They were expected to translate Greek and Latin passages aloud, write out the translations in English, and then re-translate the passages back into the original language using a different tense.
There was a more pragmatic side to the Founders’ classical education as well.Twenty-seven of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were college educated. Moreover, of the 55 delegates who attended the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787, 30 were college graduates. That is an impressive feat given the challenging entrance requirements of 18th-century universities. Fortunately for the young Founding Fathers, the teachers of the day exercised their students in Greek and Latin, so that their pupils could meet the rigorous entrance requirements of colonial colleges. Those colleges stipulated that entering freshmen be able to read, translate and expound the Greco-Roman classical works.
http://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/tyrran...

Ms. Peppin cannot be compared to the Founding Father's as far as education is concerned...or anything else. She's is just trying to make a living.
Surely You Jest Sir

Maineville, OH

#26901 Aug 29, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
... THIS BELIEF, however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED BY RESEARCH OR DATA."
Dumbing down the curriculum is apparently not in the best interest of the student.
Nothing substantiates this belief in either research or data.
Yet, that was the path Mr. Malone chose for your children.
These are not my conclusions, but the conclusions of professional educators hired by the school district to audit our program of studies before this board ever came to be.
I guess creationism and pseudo-history is substantiated by research and data? How does this elevate the curriculum when it is not even included in the assessments/testing that the students are required to know? I must have missed those questions on the ACT...didn't ever see those questions.
Surely You Jest Sir

Maineville, OH

#26902 Aug 29, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
On a purely voluntary basis, interested ADULTS who wished to learn more about our Constitution did so.
Why do you feel the need to tell less than the truth?
Ms. Peppin is a private citizen who is not employed by our school system, has no sway nor control over our educational system in Springboro, and only wished to utilize space to teach her class.
From Ms. Peppin's Week 4 Class Outline. These are her comments at the bottom of the page: An add-on to Lesson 4 article on Socialism & Education.
This is another eye-opener for why our schools cannot be reformed in their current state. They need to be completely
dismantled and rebuilt. Our educational system IS working to perform what it was designed to perform, as stated below –
creating students who will follow a new social order, NOT THINK FOR THEMSELVES USING ABSOLUTE TRUTH AS
THEIR BASIS. School levies perpetuate the below-stated outcomes. This is not an indictment against individual teachers,
but rather against what they are REQUIRED to teach. It’s in the curriculum. Sometimes it is subtle, and even the best
teachers will not be able to overcome the basic foundational elements that are being put forth in the curriculum.
Blessings, Ricki :)
1/26/2012 http://www.arky.org/Constitution/IOTC/Educati...

"Completely dismantled and rebuilt" is the summary of the Constitutional Nutritionist on education? I'd say she has more of an agenda than the Constitution and nutrition. Ok...now you go Doug...relate this back to Malone...
SAY NO TO CRAZY

Maineville, OH

#26903 Aug 29, 2013
reality wrote:
<quoted text>
Please stop it!! I'm at board meetings all the time!!!You know exactly what I'm talking about. Springboro board meetings are lined wall to wall with teachers. Speakers are required to state their name and street address. If and when a parent of a district student speaks in support of a conservative agenda or speaks out strongly against a SEA agenda, they run a serious risk that their children or their families will become targets for some sort of future retaliation. This sort of stuff went on unabated during the David Baker era and much of it continues today. The majority of parents in this district over time tend to either get discouraged or disgusted with school politics. It's not surprising that many parents that consistently attend board meetings do so because they have union jobs or strong union ties, and they feel as though it's their duty to support union brethren.
Nope...don't have a union job. Nope...don't have strong union ties. Just trying to keep the crazy out of the curriculum.
STEPPING STONE

Maineville, OH

#26904 Aug 29, 2013
Did You Know wrote:
<quoted text>

Mrs. Kohls said from the beginning of her service to our schools and community that her end game was not "just to get re-elected"...
No, her end game was to send out flares via national news stories, such as creationism, pseudo-history, charter schools, etc. to get the attention of "like-minded" people to garner future support for after the Springboro BOE. That was her strategy, along with using the BOE position to start the OSBLC, get into bed with AFP, "campaign" across Ohio under the guise of her presentations, and then good-bye to Springboro! Boro was just a stepping stone...just wait and watch...the supporters were duped.
tellthetruth

Cleveland, OH

#26905 Aug 29, 2013
Why is this dirtbag still employed?

Clearcreek administrator retiring after 35 years

CLEARCREEK TWP., Warren County — Township Administrator Dennis Pickett is expected to announce his retirement Wednesday after 35 years in public administration.

Pickett, 57, said he was retiring, effective July 31, 2012.“It’s just time,” he said.

Pickett, administrator in Clearcreek Twp. since November 1985, also worked as administrative assistant in Franklin Twp.“I certainly will miss him. He’s been good for Clearcreek Twp.,” said Ed Wade, chairman of the township trustees.

In his time with the township, Pickett has seen the community and staff grow, and the government move from a small office to a sprawling government center.

However, he clashed with Linda Oda, the fiscal officer elected in 2007, prompting a review last year by the trustees. Also last year, Trustee Cathy Anspach sought discipline against Pickett for failing to advise township officials that former trustee Dr. Greg McDonald, a local dentist, had been receiving health insurance for himself and his wife that was subsidized through funds set aside for unemployed workers.

On Tuesday Anspach said their dispute was in the past.

“I think he’s just burned out on the job,” she said.
partisan

Dayton, OH

#26906 Aug 29, 2013
STEPPING STONE wrote:
<quoted text>
No, her end game was to send out flares via national news stories, such as creationism, pseudo-history, charter schools, etc. to get the attention of "like-minded" people to garner future support for after the Springboro BOE. That was her strategy, along with using the BOE position to start the OSBLC, get into bed with AFP, "campaign" across Ohio under the guise of her presentations, and then good-bye to Springboro! Boro was just a stepping stone...just wait and watch...the supporters were duped.
Duped ? 4 years of no levy tax increases ?...dupe way...works for me...no tax increase is no tax increase any way you spin it !
partisan

Dayton, OH

#26907 Aug 29, 2013
tellthetruth wrote:
Why is this dirtbag still employed?
Clearcreek administrator retiring after 35 years
CLEARCREEK TWP., Warren County — Township Administrator Dennis Pickett is expected to announce his retirement Wednesday after 35 years in public administration.
Pickett, 57, said he was retiring, effective July 31, 2012.“It’s just time,” he said.
Pickett, administrator in Clearcreek Twp. since November 1985, also worked as administrative assistant in Franklin Twp.“I certainly will miss him. He’s been good for Clearcreek Twp.,” said Ed Wade, chairman of the township trustees.
In his time with the township, Pickett has seen the community and staff grow, and the government move from a small office to a sprawling government center.
However, he clashed with Linda Oda, the fiscal officer elected in 2007, prompting a review last year by the trustees. Also last year, Trustee Cathy Anspach sought discipline against Pickett for failing to advise township officials that former trustee Dr. Greg McDonald, a local dentist, had been receiving health insurance for himself and his wife that was subsidized through funds set aside for unemployed workers.
On Tuesday Anspach said their dispute was in the past.
“I think he’s just burned out on the job,” she said.
Pickett has had or still has issues with beverages if you get my drift....of course he's burned out, better yet, should have been PUT out years ago.
Reject Forced Unionism

Piqua, OH

#26908 Aug 29, 2013
Children are better off with a parent who has limited knowledge about the world, but a lot of love to give them than a teacher with a doctorate who makes too much money and is instructing children to vote for progressive causes ruining the mind of young people for the first 15 years of their life, till they wake up at age 35 and realize that all the leftist causes they believe in were the creations of their public schools. They spend the rest of their lives unlearning all the garbage they learned in K-12 education. It would save them a great deal of headache later to not learn those things at all and let a computer at home teach them the basics like math, English, science, then letting The History Channel teach them everything else. That would be much more effective than even the best public schools paid for with stolen property tax money.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26909 Aug 29, 2013
Surely You Jest Sir wrote:
It is a sad state of affairs when you would cast aspersions upon someone wishing to advance knowledge regarding the United States Constitution simply because the woman is neither a lawyer nor a professional educator. Ms Peppin does appear to be able to read and comprehend the written word and in all likelihood is better educated by today's standards than the men who wrote the document themselves 230 years ago.
Doug, I doubt that very much. The Founding Fathers were extremely well educated and spoke/read Greek and Latin: Classical training usually began at age eight, whether in a school or at home under the guidance of a private tutor. One remarkable teacher who inculcated his students with a love of the classics was Scotsman Donald Robertson. Many future luminaries were enrolled in his school: James Madison, John Taylor of Caroline, John Tyler and George Rogers Clark, among others. Robertson and teachers like him nourished their charges with a healthy diet of Greek and Latin, and required that they learn to master Virgil, Horace, Justinian, Tacitus, Herodotus, Plutarch, Lucretius and Thucydides. Further along in their education, students were required to translate Cicero’s Orations and Virgil’sAeneid. They were expected to translate Greek and Latin passages aloud, write out the translations in English, and then re-translate the passages back into the original language using a different tense.
There was a more pragmatic side to the Founders’ classical education as well.Twenty-seven of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were college educated. Moreover, of the 55 delegates who attended the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787, 30 were college graduates. That is an impressive feat given the challenging entrance requirements of 18th-century universities. Fortunately for the young Founding Fathers, the teachers of the day exercised their students in Greek and Latin, so that their pupils could meet the rigorous entrance requirements of colonial colleges. Those colleges stipulated that entering freshmen be able to read, translate and expound the Greco-Roman classical works.
http://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/tyrran...
Ms. Peppin cannot be compared to the Founding Father's as far as education is concerned...or anything else. She's is just trying to make a living.
Once again you would be wrong, while they may have been well educated by the standards of their day, which I respect, by today's standards they may be found wanting.

How many had ever taken a higher level math class that today would be considered average? Science by today's standards was extremely limited, just as two hundred years from now our level of scientific knowledge will seem barbaric. College of its time was more consistent with attending high school today, just without the participation rates. There was no public school system that built foundations of knowledge year in and year out consistently for the general public. Education was a haphazard, inconsistent affair for most until after the Civil War.

If those courses were as important as you wish to make them, why has not Mr. Malone insisted they belong in our course of study today. Why are we studying instead Spanish, German, and French rather than Latin and Greek?
Ask Ron Malone

Piqua, OH

#26910 Aug 29, 2013
Why did Mr. Malone choose not to pursue the direction and recommendations provided for the benefit of the children?

Page 10

From the 2012 report by the Warren County Educational Service Center.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HS ...

"SHS still offers general level classes (Algebra 1A and !B, physical science, US HIstory, and World History) Thus, not all students experience a college preparatory curriculum. Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that contrary to the High Schools That Work (HSTW) philosophy, SHS believes that offering low level courses is in the best interest of students. THIS BELIEF, however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED BY RESEARCH OR DATA."

Dumbing down the curriculum is apparently not in the best interest of the student.

Nothing substantiates this belief in either research or data.

Yet, that was the path Mr. Malone chose for your children.

These are not my conclusions, but the conclusions of professional educators hired by the school district to audit our program of studies before this board ever came to be.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26911 Aug 29, 2013
Surely You Jest Sir wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess creationism and pseudo-history is substantiated by research and data? How does this elevate the curriculum when it is not even included in the assessments/testing that the students are required to know? I must have missed those questions on the ACT...didn't ever see those questions.
It was poor, old Mr. Malone who controlled our curriculum at the high school for 13 years. Those comments come from Mr. Malone's peers, not myself.

Peers who previous boards of education hired to audit our programs of studies as was required by our membership in the High Schools That Work program.

Professional education peers of Mr. Malone came to the same conclusions year after year, and report after report, all of which were ignored by Mr. Malone.

Ask Mr. Malone who is responsible for that one, or better yet interpret what his peers at the Warren County Educational Services Center who audited his program of studies had to say.

Page 10

From the 2012 report by the Warren County Educational Service Center.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HS...

"SHS still offers general level classes (Algebra 1A and 1B, physical science, US HIstory, and World History) Thus, not all students experience a college preparatory curriculum. Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that contrary to the High Schools That Work (HSTW) philosophy, SHS believes that offering low level courses is in the best interest of students. THIS BELIEF, however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED BY RESEARCH OR DATA."

Dumbing down the curriculum is apparently not in the best interest of the student.

Nothing substantiates this belief in either research or data.

Yet, that was the path Mr. Malone chose for your children.

These are not my conclusions, but the conclusions of professional educators hired by the school district to audit our program of studies before this board ever came to be.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26912 Aug 29, 2013
Surely You Jest Sir wrote:
<quoted text>
From Ms. Peppin's Week 4 Class Outline. These are her comments at the bottom of the page: An add-on to Lesson 4 article on Socialism & Education.
This is another eye-opener for why our schools cannot be reformed in their current state. They need to be completely
dismantled and rebuilt. Our educational system IS working to perform what it was designed to perform, as stated below –
creating students who will follow a new social order, NOT THINK FOR THEMSELVES USING ABSOLUTE TRUTH AS
THEIR BASIS. School levies perpetuate the below-stated outcomes. This is not an indictment against individual teachers,
but rather against what they are REQUIRED to teach. It’s in the curriculum. Sometimes it is subtle, and even the best
teachers will not be able to overcome the basic foundational elements that are being put forth in the curriculum.
Blessings, Ricki :)
1/26/2012 http://www.arky.org/Constitution/IOTC/Educati...
"Completely dismantled and rebuilt" is the summary of the Constitutional Nutritionist on education? I'd say she has more of an agenda than the Constitution and nutrition. Ok...now you go Doug...relate this back to Malone...
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
On a purely voluntary basis, interested ADULTS who wished to learn more about our Constitution did so.

Why do you feel the need to tell less than the truth?

Ms. Peppin is a private citizen who is not employed by our school system, has no sway nor control over our educational system in Springboro, and only wished to utilize space to teach her class.

Mr. Malone had control over our children's curriculum for 13 years, why did Mr. Malone choose to dumb down our curriculum?

Mr. Malone was an employee of the Springboro School District who had a duty to do the best he could with the available resources to promote the education of our district's children. Mr Malone chose to go the opposite direction and dumb down our curriculum.

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