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No Big Favors

Cincinnati, OH

#26876 Aug 27, 2013
hypocrite wrote:
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Re: Left - Right - Left - Right
Unbelievable! You make a legitimately clever anaology of forward progress via an illustration of 'one step at a time', then you proceed to completely ruin that analogy by resuming your incessant intolerant rant.
Please do us all a big favor. The next time you feel compelled to hurl, please refrain from hurling all over your computer keyboard. This is one of the things toilet bowls are designed for.
Got Pride?
No big favor for Y'All way down low in the Boro...next time you feel compelled to hurl on trash talk topix, please remember
for S-U-R-E Potty-Mouthed Moms just "keep it in the board
room." This is one of the things that Pre-Arranged Participation in front of the TV cameras are designed for.- Love Ya!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26877 Aug 27, 2013
Giving Mr. David Bowman some wider circulation and the opportunity for some to comment on his verbosity.

From Mr Bowman's blog of August 5, 2013

"While we can’t reclaim all five seats on this board in November, taking back three of them will put balance and stability in place and restore some semblance of sanity to our schools and community. With two minority seats retained, the remaining board members can still have their voice heard, still have financial input, still bring issues to the table, but will not have the absolute, unchecked authority that has run amuck in our community over the past year. We need diversity of perspective, not lockstep adherence to political goals and objectives that are not in the best interests of our children."

Mr. Bowman's logical process seems to be screaming against conservative board control and only sees switching it to liberal union led board control as the lone solution available.

Nothing says progress like handing the purse strings to the union members on the school board so that they may more equitably negotiate with their union brethren.

That my friends is a recipe for disaster that has played out relentlessly over the past five years.

Mr. Bowman is to be forgiven for his lapse in logic and his neglect of whom was behind the majority of hysteria in the school district. Supposed intimates often overlook the warts on a friends face.

Organized union labor are the ones who wished to quash any debate on the merits of numerous issues.
And loudly and contentiously they proceeded to delay every move made by the board in an effort to stifle investigations. Why are they afraid of discussing ideas? Why the strong desire to keep people in the dark regarding finances, organizational structure, weakness in the curriculum, other teaching options, adequate protection of our students, or other aspects of life that go against their professed narratives?

The union and its supporters are not for sunshine, they are for darkness and gloom. The less light cast on these subjects, and others, the better for the union.

Vote for sunshine, vote for people who will stand up for our children instead of a union, and vote for people who can solve problems without taking more unneeded money from you.
Lurker

Englewood, OH

#26878 Aug 28, 2013
reality wrote:
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Great idea! Because of the union's intimidation factor probably three chairs would be needed, four at the very most.
Yep, I am very intimidated by those union "thugs". LOL, if they intimidate you, you need to get out more!
the cheese on the cracker

Cleveland, OH

#26879 Aug 28, 2013
Thanks so much David Petroni for telling it like it really is!

From: "Welcome Back to School!"

"Thirdly, uncertainty on contract negotiations played a role. Although our Board of Education invited the unions to open negotiations in January, that open invitation was declined by the unions. This pushed negotiations, and the associated uncertainty of what the future held financially for our teachers and staff, well into the summer. As a result, we lost more teachers than we normally would have as some sought a financial stability in their income flow that was not threatened by union activity that they had little to no control over."

educatespringboro.org/
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26880 Aug 28, 2013
the cheese on the cracker wrote:
Thanks so much David Petroni for telling it like it really is!
From: "Welcome Back to School!"
"Thirdly, uncertainty on contract negotiations played a role. Although our Board of Education invited the unions to open negotiations in January, that open invitation was declined by the unions. This pushed negotiations, and the associated uncertainty of what the future held financially for our teachers and staff, well into the summer. As a result, we lost more teachers than we normally would have as some sought a financial stability in their income flow that was not threatened by union activity that they had little to no control over."
educatespringboro.org/
Nice article in the DDN regarding the teacher negotiations with the OEA in that district. Anyone see a familiar playbook being played out in another district. Unfair labor practice grievance filed against school, claims of no raises since 2010, etc, etc.

We were by no means unique.
reality

Cleveland, OH

#26881 Aug 28, 2013
Lurker wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, I am very intimidated by those union "thugs". LOL, if they intimidate you, you need to get out more!
Please stop it!! I'm at board meetings all the time!!!You know exactly what I'm talking about. Springboro board meetings are lined wall to wall with teachers. Speakers are required to state their name and street address. If and when a parent of a district student speaks in support of a conservative agenda or speaks out strongly against a SEA agenda, they run a serious risk that their children or their families will become targets for some sort of future retaliation. This sort of stuff went on unabated during the David Baker era and much of it continues today. The majority of parents in this district over time tend to either get discouraged or disgusted with school politics. It's not surprising that many parents that consistently attend board meetings do so because they have union jobs or strong union ties, and they feel as though it's their duty to support union brethren.
Eyes Wide Open

Cincinnati, OH

#26882 Aug 28, 2013
Rip Van Winkle wrote:
Not this last meeting but the one before it. Did anyone see Malone fast asleep with his head back and mouth agape during the meeting? Grapevine has it that he has trouble staying awake during principal meetings and has to be nudged alert by students during in class teacher evaluations.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Yes, all stay alert voters see the leadersip weaknesses in our
certified school board candidate, Mr. Ron Malone, who now seeks
in November 2013, to gain control of the successful agenda of our Springboro Schools Board of Education and re-instate staus quo business as usual.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26883 Aug 28, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice article in the DDN regarding the teacher negotiations with the OEA in that district. Anyone see a familiar playbook being played out in another district. Unfair labor practice grievance filed against school, claims of no raises since 2010, etc, etc.
We were by no means unique.
The district is Fairborn.
Excuse Me

Cincinnati, OH

#26884 Aug 28, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Giving Mr. David Bowman some wider circulation and the opportunity for some to comment on his verbosity.
From Mr Bowman's blog of August 5, 2013
"While we can’t reclaim all five seats on this board in November, taking back three of them will put balance and stability in place and restore some semblance of sanity to our schools and community. With two minority seats retained, the remaining board members can still have their voice heard, still have financial input, still bring issues to the table, but will not have the absolute, unchecked authority that has run amuck in our community over the past year. We need diversity of perspective, not lockstep adherence to political goals and objectives that are not in the best interests of our children."
Mr. Bowman's logical process seems to be screaming against conservative board control and only sees switching it to liberal union led board control as the lone solution available.
Nothing says progress like handing the purse strings to the union members on the school board so that they may more equitably negotiate with their union brethren.
That my friends is a recipe for disaster that has played out relentlessly over the past five years.
Mr. Bowman is to be forgiven for his lapse in logic and his neglect of whom was behind the majority of hysteria in the school district. Supposed intimates often overlook the warts on a friends face.
Organized union labor are the ones who wished to quash any debate on the merits of numerous issues.
And loudly and contentiously they proceeded to delay every move made by the board in an effort to stifle investigations. Why are they afraid of discussing ideas? Why the strong desire to keep people in the dark regarding finances, organizational structure, weakness in the curriculum, other teaching options, adequate protection of our students, or other aspects of life that go against their professed narratives?
The union and its supporters are not for sunshine, they are for darkness and gloom. The less light cast on these subjects, and others, the better for the union.
Vote for sunshine, vote for people who will stand up for our children instead of a union, and vote for people who can solve problems without taking more unneeded money from you.
Excuse me, Sir. Have you noticed your empty chair?
New Day New Attitude

Cincinnati, OH

#26885 Aug 28, 2013
Rip Van Winkle wrote:
Not this last meeting but the one before it. Did anyone see Malone fast asleep with his head back and mouth agape during the meeting? Grapevine has it that he has trouble staying awake during principal meetings and has to be nudged alert by students during in class teacher evaluations.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
That's funny! But, that was the principal who has been on the job for the PAST forty years... so a few naps here and there are in order, but not in the board room!

Today, parents are greeted with a new attitude being projected by our new staff for the school days of 2013-14! Evidence of new beginnings are also seen in our neighborhoods; as we see "physical evidence" of our school tax dollars at work, keeping our children safer this year than last.(Last school year our neighborhood parents were devastated to see our kids' school bus break down on our street and have to be hauled away). This year, we wave good bye to our kids at the bus stop as they head off to school in new buses! Children's first budgeting works in the best interest of our classroom education and much more!

Springboro’s 2013 back-to-school list includes long overdue capital improvements to building interiors, roofs and parking lots; more resources for reading and gifted education in the elementary grades; new curriculum to align with state standards; and more than a $1.1 million upgrade to technology in each and every building.

In fact, the following needs are ACCOUNTED FOR in the current budget through the 2017 budget:
· over $2 million in text books and new adoptions
· over $2.1 million for new buses
· over $3.7 million in capital needs and deferred maintenance
· over $1.5 million in technology
· over $7.5 million increase for our staff in raises.

For Sure Springboro parents owe a debt of gratitude to Springboro taxpayers and our school board representatives and school district leaders, for all that they do ensuring a quality classroom education for all students, while making Springboro a safe and affordable place to live, learn, work, and play sports!
With our school community and community of taxpayers Working Together, our kids really can have it all for a great future
while living within the framework of children's first budget and renewal levy in the fall.
New Day New Attitude

Cincinnati, OH

#26886 Aug 28, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
HSTW Ohio Regions
Technical Assistance Visit Report
Springboro High School, Springboro, Ohio
December 14-15, 2010
This report presents findings of a High Schools That Work (HSTW) Technical Assistance Visit (TAV) to Springboro High School (SHS), Springboro, Ohio, on December 14-15, 2010. It describes major goals facing administrators, faculty and students in achieving the HSTW Goals, Key Practices and Key Conditions to implement the HSTW school improvement design.
For each TAV goal, the report provides the school with recommended action steps and resources for HSTW Key Practices and/or state/federal accountability targets selected by the school or the TAV Team to close achievement gaps and increase student achievement.......
The report reflects the limitations of a two-day visit to assess all efforts under way to improve the academic achievement of all students. HSTW Ohio Regions and the Ohio Department of Education, in collaboration with the Southern Regional Education Board (SREB), require a TAV as part of the overall HSTW school improvement process.....
Overriding Goal: Close the achievement gaps and raise student achievement in meeting state, federal and HSTW targets by 2014. To achieve this goal, the school must continue to create a culture of high expectations and provide extra help........
This year, six percent (91 students) of students enrolled in Warren County Career Center (WCCC). These students are not all enrolled in career-technical (C-T) concentrations. Some are in the Teacher Academy and/or the Senior Internship program.

All of this begs the question, what was Mr. Malone doing with his curriculum?
Just 13% of his students were in A/P classes? LESS than 2% were enrolled in PSEO?
That amounts to LESS than 1 child in 7 getting a rigorous course of study.
This was as good as Mr. Malone could produce, 1 out of 7 students gets a real education?
Mr. Malone, who has been a SHS principal for the PAST 13 years, is now successfully retired as a professional educator, and is insanely popular with the SEA school community; And is now running for election as school board representative to gain control of the board of education; But what about Malone's PAST record of providing a real education for only 1 out of 7 students?

Springboro parents should ask themselves at the polls in November:
Why vote for BOE representation for only 1 out of 7 students?
Shouldn't ALL Springboro students be afforded the education that generous taxpayers have financed with our hard-earned school tax dollars?
Remember the TIme

Cincinnati, OH

#26887 Aug 28, 2013
WHAT wrote:
I never thought I'd live to see the day where Lisa Babb would abandon her so called passion, the kids and community, because a couple of men told her to.
Seems the men, even with CBF (Community Babb Fatigue), were scared that she would siphon of votes from them to her.
Looks like she finally got her priorities straight. It just took a couple of men to tell her. Lmbo.
Don't you remember in school board election 2011 when Lisa Babb run her campaign entirely on what she said that "the board told her to do?" Lisa doesn't appear to have a strong principle of passion; just a strong passion for the principal's status quo business as usual leadership; just going along to get along with the Springboro Education Association for collecting more, more, more....
In Lisa's critical "collective" thinking skill-set, if she steps down to ensure that Ron,David,and Charles gain control of the board for the union, then she is part of the "Shared" leadership
of the collective Threesome of men in power.
Union Solidarity Means Never Ruling Alone.
Reject Forced Unionism

Cincinnati, OH

#26888 Aug 28, 2013
Does the OEA encourage teachers to indoctrinate Ohio’s Kids?
Is the OEA monthly newsletter to teachers posted on public websites?
Do we parents know what our children are learning from teacher unionists, who believe along with the OEA, that teachers should not only be members of a labor union, but also should indoctrinate our children on unionism?

As the OEA dictates teachers in their monthly newsletter,“It’s essential that they not only be teacher unionists, but teachers of unionism. We need to create a generation of students who support teachers and the movements of teachers for their rights.”
How about they focus on just teaching our kids the core skills they will need in math, reading, writing, and science? How about they leave their political ideology and unionism out of the classroom? As the National Assessment of Educational Progress results show, more than half of America’s 8th graders fail basic civics tests. Clearly, our teachers have enough to do already.

The OEA needs to keep its left-wing views outside of the classroom and its hands off our kids’ curriculum. This type of indoctrination isn’t a surprise coming from a group with a leader who once boldly admitted it was more concerned with getting more power than the best interest of our kids.
Livin in 5 Points

Cleveland, OH

#26889 Aug 28, 2013
New Day New Attitude wrote:
<quoted text>
That's funny! But, that was the principal who has been on the job for the PAST forty years... so a few naps here and there are in order, but not in the board room!
Dr. Malone and Don Miller are like two sleepy, confused peas tucked tightly in a pod. Obviously they're under an impression district voters elect citizens to the Springboro School BORED.
tongue in cheek

Cleveland, OH

#26890 Aug 28, 2013
New Day New Attitude wrote:
<quoted text>
In fact, the following needs are ACCOUNTED FOR in the current budget through the 2017 budget:
· over $2 million in text books and new adoptions
· over $2.1 million for new buses
· over $3.7 million in capital needs and deferred maintenance
· over $1.5 million in technology
· over $7.5 million increase for our staff in raises.
For Sure Springboro parents owe a debt of gratitude to Springboro taxpayers and our school board representatives and school district leaders, for all that they do ensuring a quality classroom education for all students, while making Springboro a safe and affordable place to live, learn, work, and play sports!
With our school community and community of taxpayers Working Together, our kids really can have it all for a great future
while living within the framework of children's first budget and renewal levy in the fall.
But! But! Who around here really cares about facts and figures?!?
There's nothing "happy and shiny" about facts and figures!!!
Electing "insanely popular" Ron Malone to the BOE will help make Springboro Schools "happy and shiny" like they used to be!!
Don't take it from me...Go ask the students at the high school!
They know what works best for our schools!!

(-;
Remember the TIme

Cincinnati, OH

#26891 Aug 28, 2013
tongue in cheek wrote:
<quoted text>
But! But! Who around here really cares about facts and figures?!?
There's nothing "happy and shiny" about facts and figures!!!
Electing "insanely popular" Ron Malone to the BOE will help make Springboro Schools "happy and shiny" like they used to be!!
Don't take it from me...Go ask the students at the high school!
They know what works best for our schools!!
(-;
Happy and Shiny?...lol
Remember the time during 2008 new levy frenzy, Lisa/NFSS gals were roaming through our neighborhoods pleading with us to just skip a cup of Starbucks coffee -one day at a time-for the rest of our lives; and give the money to the professional educators? Then came the rumor that our kids bathrooms and sports locker rooms had gross mold and mildew; and we asked the business manager if this was true; And he just told us that "if we would volunteer for a committee, then we could learn about all the good things the school was doing?" omg... those were the days!
But we will never go back to that old business as usual when parents just said yes to levies and left everything to the union teacher in every classroom!
Every time I go to our kids' schools, I can see the good things that our children's first budgeting is doing for our children;
everytime I see our kids' bus "coming home" I feel good knowing that our kids have had a good day at school; and it's good to know that our money is being carefully budgeted, so that the good times can just keep rolling along until 2017! All we have to do is get out to vote victory at the polls for that renewal; and then follow those three new BOE members into the business meetings and hold them Accountable for every decision made -- making sure that our kid's best interest is Number One in every decision made!
We must make sure that come January 2014 that "we the people" have our rightfully purchased seat at the Head Union Master's Table in the Boro Board Room.
Survey Says

Cincinnati, OH

#26892 Aug 28, 2013
tongue in cheek wrote:
<quoted text>
But! But! Who around here really cares about facts and figures?!?
There's nothing "happy and shiny" about facts and figures!!!
Electing "insanely popular" Ron Malone to the BOE will help make Springboro Schools "happy and shiny" like they used to be!!
Don't take it from me...Go ask the students at the high school!
They know what works best for our schools!!
(-;
How many parents studied the results of the Springboro High School Student Survey - Tally of Desired Characteristics in a New Principal? This was conducted in the Spring, 2013, by our school superintendent and the results were brought to the public board meeting. The results clearly revealed that Principal Ron really was more of a Pal than a professional educator by the answers of only 429 students, ages 14-17, out of a total high school enrollment of approximately 1563 students. You Are Right-- If you go ask the students what works best for our schools -- All 429 students agreed that the the most important characteristic for our new high school principal was "To listen to student ideas and suggestions." (Now, it's interesting that number of about 400 keeps coming up among the parents/alumni of boro that petitions every decision the board makes to meet their demands.)

Only 17 of these kids surveyed thought it was the principal's job to "Implement practices to hold the school accountable for student success; and Inform families of practices." Guess that's why the Kids "PAL" Ron Malone hid the WC ESC report in the drawer of his desk. Guess that's why the importance of parents paying student activities fees were never communicated from the school to the students parents at home; And why at the time of the Spring 2013 principal survey, the students' class activities fees were past due in the amount of $31,000!
Parents must be more diligent getting engaged in their own
child's success in academic achievement; and demand more than another PAL in our professional educators at school.
(And Voters Must Demand More in the Board Room than a Great PAL for the Springboro Education Association).
Eyes Wide Open

Cincinnati, OH

#26893 Aug 28, 2013
What is true wrote:
WOW how disappointing our kids got the shaft in high school.
What about Stucky? Did he teach?
Yes, it is disappointing how our kids got the shaft in high school.
Our priority now is making sure in November that Ron Malone does not get a second chance to "shaft" our kids in the board room.
motorvoter

Dayton, OH

#26894 Aug 28, 2013
Does anyone know the scope of the popularity of these phony Constitution classes on Tuesday nights? Apparently they're being taught by someone named Ricki Pepin, who apparently has no law degree or teaching degree or any other discernible qualification.

And it's worse than that. She also peddles religious snake oil. If you send her $30, she'll tell you how to prevent almost all diseases through a Biblical diet. She wants everyone to go back to a time when life expectancy was far lower. And anyone who thinks that diet will cure you should look at the case of Steve Jobs. Despite apparently having no medical qualifications, she thinks she's an expert in this are as well.

At 1:00 of the following video, she expressly rejects the germ theory of disease:
www.youtube.com/watch...

This is the person that the current majority of the Board wants to educate your children regarding the U.S. Constitution.

This just gets more bizarre as time goes on.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26895 Aug 28, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
Does anyone know the scope of the popularity of these phony Constitution classes on Tuesday nights? Apparently they're being taught by someone named Ricki Pepin, who apparently has no law degree or teaching degree or any other discernible qualification.
And it's worse than that. She also peddles religious snake oil. If you send her $30, she'll tell you how to prevent almost all diseases through a Biblical diet. She wants everyone to go back to a time when life expectancy was far lower. And anyone who thinks that diet will cure you should look at the case of Steve Jobs. Despite apparently having no medical qualifications, she thinks she's an expert in this are as well.
At 1:00 of the following video, she expressly rejects the germ theory of disease:
www.youtube.com/watch...
This is the person that the current majority of the Board wants to educate your children regarding the U.S. Constitution.
This just gets more bizarre as time goes on.
It is a sad state of affairs when you would cast aspersions upon someone wishing to advance knowledge regarding the United States Constitution simply because the woman is neither a lawyer nor a professional educator. Ms Peppin does appear to be able to read and comprehend the written word and in all likelihood is better educated by today's standards than the men who wrote the document themselves 230 years ago.

To assume that only a select few with dubious qualifications are competent to interpret the meaning of those words that form the foundation of our country does disservice to the words themselves and the spirit in which they were written.

The second part of your rant against this woman reveals an even slimier side that projects your hatred and disgust of anyone with a belief system that is not your own. I watched and listened to Ms Peppin describe her belief in we are a product of what we eat. I double checked her statements and found that they follow generally accepted medical practice in this country. Too much sugar is bad for you, obesity can lead to undesirable health consequences that can be ameliorated by a common sense diet.

Ms. Peppin makes none of the assertions you abscribe to her and you do not have to be a doctor or medical professional to note them. The evidence, the studies, and the research have been done by abler persons than I in this area. As a consequence I am able to read and comprehend the results of others hard work in these areas without the benefit of a medical degree and draw my own conclusions.

The outright attempt to denigrate this woman for her belief system and faith is nothing less than despicable and once again reveals more about the culture and character of those who purvey this garbage.

Don't let the darkness descend, vote for the sunshine, vote for inclusiveness, and vote for the people who will continue to support the free expression of ideas.

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