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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Good Neighbor Policy

Cincinnati, OH

#26858 Aug 26, 2013
Wow! Mr. Bowman... "nice but not exactly noteworthy?"
Why not expand your vocabulary to include "Thank You" to these board representatives who have gone the maximum mile of service
(at great personal sacrifice of their time away from their jobs and their families) just to ensure a quality classroom education in a safe and comfortable learning environment for our children and teachers. We are off to a great new start of the new school year and the beginning of new challenges and opportunities! Why would any parent/concerned citizen refuse to join in the celebration of our success?
"I'm treating you as a friend, asking you to share my present minuses in the hope that I can ask you to share my future pluses."
-Katherine Mansfield
here Worship this

Cleveland, OH

#26859 Aug 27, 2013
Got Pride wrote:
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God Loves Panthers and Loves You Too! Go Panthers!
Marx was correct. Religion is the opium of the masses.
There is no such thing as "god".

The universe is infinate. It contains an infinate number of galaxies. Within these galaxies contain an infinate number of stars, of which an infinate number most certainly have life-supporting planets orbiting around them. So thus, because the unverse is infinate (endless), an infinite number of planets not only support alien life, but also support INTELLIGENT alien life. If an alien from one of these life-supporting planets should ever land here on Earth, would you be the Earthling hypocrite that would dictate to them "the god of the universe", which was fabricated here on Earth 500 to 1000 years ago from half-historical fact and half-storybook fantasy, should be THEIR "god" too ??

Jump onto science and hang on tight. It's been and continues to be an enlighening ride into our future. Science will someday learn of the true origin of the universe and in this magnificent discovery there will of course be no hypocrite's "god".
Stay Alert Voters

Cincinnati, OH

#26860 Aug 27, 2013
Change I Can Believe In wrote:
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Things won't change in the township until Cathy Anspaugh joins Kelly Kohls in the political unemployment line..
Elections come and go, but the influence of good leadership by the people, for the people, and of the people stays in our community and grows forward, just as time always goes forward.
Even though our Springboro/Township government centers/community-city schools are ruled by deeply-rooted Unionism, there still is no government entitlement of "elected office" (not even to those that have been oppressively ruling for 40 years and are insanely popular).
leave it in the church

Cleveland, OH

#26861 Aug 27, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
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What's going on this evening?
A whole lot of stomping bitching and moaning from the Left, complemented by less-than serious non-confrontational bull#### from the Right.

Brand new week. Same old story.
Heart Burn

Atlanta, GA

#26862 Aug 27, 2013
leave it in the church wrote:
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Great job! Now 'hypocrite' may be attached to your very notorius local reputation. This evening I'm so much looking forward to hearing the audience's reaction to your bigoted hate speech targeting Springboro schools non-Christian student population. But of course, you will never get off your tush to do this because hard core bigots double as hard core cowards.
How enlightened and tolerant you are. Is the church we are to leave it in the Baptist church here in Springboro? You know the one, where the pastor had to give a very pointed sermon about a certain Levy Mom to keep her school politics out of the church?
Good Neighbor Policy

Cincinnati, OH

#26863 Aug 27, 2013
leave it in the church wrote:
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A whole lot of stomping bitching and moaning from the Left, complemented by less-than serious non-confrontational bull#### from the Right.
Brand new week. Same old story.
Left - Right - Left - Right... get the Big Picture?

All Republican hypocrites and Democrate hypocrites and all those hypocrites in between are all joined way down low in Boro on this never-ending journey of adventure in our future and our government schooling of unionism.

Each one of the powers that be seem to have all kinds of ideas for how the whole world would be better, and the BOE meetings seem to be the hunting ground of those who pre-arrange to burn their opposition with "their we love children more than you" with their "friendly fire." No one seems concerned with the wounds
being inflicted on the minds of our citizens who are subjected to this bullying; and with no response of condemnation of "being bullied" by these union activists continuing their war of war attacks on Springboro taxpayers. People in this community should ask themselves "where's the good for our students in all this infighting and vote for revenge campaign?

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#26864 Aug 27, 2013
you correct in the base picture 1% one way another 1% at other end the moving factor is 98% that is hurt and confused by this 2%
current BOE has showed the postive path IF the 98% want to take it anyone can see the "other paths suggested by the candidate history but standing by the audio speakers does not make the RAP any more like music than in nose bleed area
Good Neighbor Policy wrote:
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Left - Right - Left - Right... get the Big Picture?
All Republican hypocrites and Democrate hypocrites and all those hypocrites in between are all joined way down low in Boro on this never-ending journey of adventure in our future and our government schooling of unionism.
Each one of the powers that be seem to have all kinds of ideas for how the whole world would be better, and the BOE meetings seem to be the hunting ground of those who pre-arrange to burn their opposition with "their we love children more than you" with their "friendly fire." No one seems concerned with the wounds
being inflicted on the minds of our citizens who are subjected to this bullying; and with no response of condemnation of "being bullied" by these union activists continuing their war of war attacks on Springboro taxpayers. People in this community should ask themselves "where's the good for our students in all this infighting and vote for revenge campaign?
hypocrite

Cleveland, OH

#26865 Aug 27, 2013
Good Neighbor Policy wrote:
<quoted text>
Left - Right - Left - Right... get the Big Picture?
All Republican hypocrites and Democrate hypocrites and all those hypocrites in between are all joined way down low in Boro on this never-ending journey of adventure in our future and our government schooling of unionism.
Each one of the powers that be seem to have all kinds of ideas for how the whole world would be better, and the BOE meetings seem to be the hunting ground of those who pre-arrange to burn their opposition with "their we love children more than you" with their "friendly fire." No one seems concerned with the wounds
being inflicted on the minds of our citizens who are subjected to this bullying; and with no response of condemnation of "being bullied" by these union activists continuing their war of war attacks on Springboro taxpayers. People in this community should ask themselves "where's the good for our students in all this infighting and vote for revenge campaign?
Re: Left - Right - Left - Right

Unbelievable! You make a legitimately clever anaology of forward progress via an illustration of 'one step at a time', then you proceed to completely ruin that analogy by resuming your incessant intolerant rant.

Please do us all a big favor. The next time you feel compelled to hurl, please refrain from hurling all over your computer keyboard. This is one of the things toilet bowls are designed for.
OEA War of Words

Cincinnati, OH

#26866 Aug 27, 2013
Lerxst- wrote:
The bottom line is that the voter is going to have to wade through all the bull and figure out which side they believe. At this point, as far as the Malone/Babb/Stuckey contingent is concerned, all I have heard is they are running and they are "for the children." Well, aren't we all "for the children?" That tells me nothing. Tell me why I should vote for them. What will they do that the current board has not that is in the best interest of the children. I hope the answer is not to simply throw more money at what ever perceived problem exists. We've been there and done that.
As for the current board they have a record. Not perfect but, on balance from where I sit, it looks pretty good compared to when they took the reins. Give me a reason to vote for Malone/Babb/Stuckey, not a reason to vote against the current board.
As you decide I would encourage all of you to not rely on the noisy minority of parents who have resorted to personal attacks on the current board; outright misrepresentation about what the board has/is doing; and worse, are completely clueless about the financial state of the current school system. In the past they told us to pass levy after levy for fear that doom, gloom, chaos and utter panic would set upon us. Well, still waiting for it. They have their side of the story and I respect their desire to do what they think is the right thing. I simply question their motives and their knowledge of the current state of financial affairs and what it takes to do better.
Doing the research to make informed decisions requires work, but also comes with some risk. Look at Doug Weideman's posts. He clearly comes to the table prepared with numbers. What does he get in return? Crackpots who feels the need to publish his address and plane registrations. This tells me some people are not interest in the facts, so there will be no changing their minds whatsoever. The problem with them is they negate the informed persons vote.
If you don't like the current board…fine. At least make an informed decision…not one based on pure emotion. The kids of this community deserve as much.
Becki V's "peeps" of the OEA reminds her forced union "army of supporters" .... don't they (the taxpaying homeowners) know that this fight for more, more, more is WAR?
Wars are not won with kind words and placation. The OEA members are some of the worst people we will ever have to deal with as to radical social behavior. They have the destruction of America in their minds and they are terrible people because their ideology makes them corrosive. They openly use children to execute their maniacal plans for social progressive changes at the expense of society, and this defines their essence. Wars are won by taking away from the other side the will to continue fighting. This is what the OEA does to people like Kelly Kohls..... threatening the same bullying and intimidation of any other Springboro Parent who would dare enter the Springboro Schools BOE board room to "Stand Up For Kids" in opposition to the oppressive rule of the Springboro Education Association and the wealthy, affluent maney-acts of zip code 45066.
OEA War of Words

Cincinnati, OH

#26867 Aug 27, 2013
hypocrite wrote:
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Re: Left - Right - Left - Right
Unbelievable! You make a legitimately clever anaology of forward progress via an illustration of 'one step at a time', then you proceed to completely ruin that analogy by resuming your incessant intolerant rant.
Please do us all a big favor. The next time you feel compelled to hurl, please refrain from hurling all over your computer keyboard. This is one of the things toilet bowls are designed for.
Perhaps Joe the Plumber could help?
The bottom line is .... we are running to gain control of the board ..... we need the power to re-emphasis the (dollar) value of the educator.
Performance Review

Cincinnati, OH

#26868 Aug 27, 2013
thats an affirmative wrote:
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Before one particular board meeting during negotiations I remember overhearing an outsider tell a person sitting near him... "whether or not I come back (to Boro BOE meetings) depends on what type of production we're able to get tonight."
Maybe it's time to consider designating a seating section specifically for non-district attendees.
....maybe it's time to consider designating a seating section specifically for Non-Unionism attendees?
Good Neighbor Policy

Cincinnati, OH

#26869 Aug 27, 2013
hypocrite wrote:
<quoted text>
Re: Left - Right - Left - Right
Unbelievable! You make a legitimately clever anaology of forward progress via an illustration of 'one step at a time', then you proceed to completely ruin that analogy by resuming your incessant intolerant rant.
Please do us all a big favor. The next time you feel compelled to hurl, please refrain from hurling all over your computer keyboard. This is one of the things toilet bowls are designed for.
...hmmm, Got Respect?

"There's only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self."
-Aldous Huxley-
Run Ron Run

Cincinnati, OH

#26870 Aug 27, 2013
Ask Ron Malone wrote:
Mr. Malone, during the past thirteen years of your employment as SHS principal, isn't it true that you have focused more on being a "PAL" than on the strong principles of being a "Professional Educator?"
....it's all very vague...I'm overwhelmed ... the community is very supportive....the bottom line is that we are running to gain control of the board ....
reality

Cleveland, OH

#26871 Aug 27, 2013
Performance Review wrote:
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....maybe it's time to consider designating a seating section specifically for Non-Unionism attendees?
Great idea! Because of the union's intimidation factor probably three chairs would be needed, four at the very most.
Ask Ron Malone

Cincinnati, OH

#26872 Aug 27, 2013
Run Ron Run wrote:
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....it's all very vague...I'm overwhelmed ... the community is very supportive....the bottom line is that we are running to gain control of the board ....
Excuse me, Mr. Malone, sir? sir? are you awake, Mr. Malone?

Our Springboro taxpayers have another question or two:

Are you aware that our successful Children's First Budget has control of run-away labor costs for our children's 21st century classroom education? What do you think of the school board's direction?
School Board Candidate Mr. Malone speaks: There needs to be a re-emphasis on the value of the educator.

"I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest."
(Muhammad Ali)
All Fired Up

Cincinnati, OH

#26873 Aug 27, 2013
reality wrote:
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Great idea! Because of the union's intimidation factor probably three chairs would be needed, four at the very most.
Totally Agree! Dr. Malone is all fired up with a "hunka hunka of burning love for his kids" and he aim to mount that BOE bully pulpit and take control as Biggest Bully in Chief, with his status quo mantra of re-instating big bully business as usual....

"Men as communities are supreme over men as individuals."
-Woodrow Wilson-

No Greater recipe for bullying has ever been created!
(To that end, Woodrow Wilson emboldened labor unions as the chief tool for stripping the wealthy of their power).

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#26874 Aug 27, 2013
Run Ron Run wrote:
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....it's all very vague...I'm overwhelmed ... the community is very supportive....the bottom line is that we are running to gain control of the board ....
this is interesting that you show an assumption that we (as voters had some level of control) and in addtion that the new canidates are a reflection regaining that control. Stats show that both assumptions are faulted
two of the "new canidates were a major part of the PCBOE prior to Current BOE in which the voters were left out in thought process ie 5 failed levies and current BOE has found monies and the PCBOE statement of lack of monies when PCBOE was spending money on harassing voters BORO FIVE in columbus and funding rallies of support do the research PCBOE and current which era shows voter control more ?
Thank You Kelly

Cincinnati, OH

#26875 Aug 27, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
This could be our collective future.
Some UNION-CONTROLLED SCHOOL BOARDS in Michigan are finding that revenue has not been keeping up with expenses, likely due to a lack of fiscal prudence and their INABILITY TO SAY "NO" TO THEIR UNION FRIENDS.
As a result, several school districts are on the brink of insolvency and they’ve stretched the patience of state officials to the breaking point.
The state House has passed legislation allowing the state superintendent and state treasurer to “dissolve” a school district if leaders fail to submit a deficit reduction plan or prove incapable of implementing such a plan. Dissolved districts would become part of neighboring districts.
That would seem like a fitting fate for districts like Saginaw Buena Vista, which had to close school for several days this spring due to its inability to meet payroll.
Responsible adults should be concerned about the effect that such poor management has on students. But the Michigan Education Association, the state’s largest teachers union, is worried about possible displacement of teachers.
The union wrote:
“…Republicans in the state House rammed through legislation late Thursday night that would dissolve the Buena Vista and Inkster school districts and leave employees in those dissolved districts without the right to a job in the receiving districts.”
Only unionized government employees think they have a right to a job. That’s not the way it works in the real world.
If a private business closes, should employees have a right to a job with a competitor? Of course not. That’s nonsense. But that’s the mindset of government employee unions.
The focus should be on the students and how best to meet their educational needs. Clearly the school employees and elected leaders in the affected districts weren’t getting the job done – otherwise we wouldn’t be reading about them.
Neither the Buena Vista nor the Inkster districts were models of academic success. Perhaps some of the teachers in those districts shouldn’t be in the profession in the first place.
But that doesn’t matter to MEA leaders. All they care about is their members’ privileges, and the dues those members pay when they are employed.
This is just another footnote in the long history of teacher union greed. But it goes a long way toward explaining how some schools got into their financial predicament in the first place. The unions have been dominant in Michigan public schools for decades, and they have nearly succeeded in sucking the financial life out of them.
Our Springboro Education Association members and Parents
For S-U-R-E that are embarrassed because our BOE President, Kelly Kohls, is In The News, should read the comparison of Michigan news in the above post vs what is said in Ohio about Springboro Schools. The following is from Letters to the editor in the Dayton Daily News, August 18, 2013.

Springboro citizens should thank Kohls

Re “Kohls won’t run for re-election,” Aug, 8:

A renewal levy with a decrease? Unheard of, except in Springboro, Ohio.District citizens should thank Springboro school president Kelly Kohls and board members David Petroni and Jim Rigano for the courage and tenacity exhibited in putting the district’s finances in order while still improving the education of their students. The teachers union and their supporters opposed them at every turn. Common sense and fiscal accountability finally prevailed. A word to the wise: When voting in November for a replacement, keep in mind the belief that put your district into financial difficulty to begin with. That result? Five defeated tax increase levies. The belief: There’s no end to dunning taxpayers for more, using the false mantra “It’s for the kids.”
-Thomas Subler,Versailles
No Big Favors

Cincinnati, OH

#26876 Aug 27, 2013
hypocrite wrote:
<quoted text>
Re: Left - Right - Left - Right
Unbelievable! You make a legitimately clever anaology of forward progress via an illustration of 'one step at a time', then you proceed to completely ruin that analogy by resuming your incessant intolerant rant.
Please do us all a big favor. The next time you feel compelled to hurl, please refrain from hurling all over your computer keyboard. This is one of the things toilet bowls are designed for.
Got Pride?
No big favor for Y'All way down low in the Boro...next time you feel compelled to hurl on trash talk topix, please remember
for S-U-R-E Potty-Mouthed Moms just "keep it in the board
room." This is one of the things that Pre-Arranged Participation in front of the TV cameras are designed for.- Love Ya!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26877 Aug 27, 2013
Giving Mr. David Bowman some wider circulation and the opportunity for some to comment on his verbosity.

From Mr Bowman's blog of August 5, 2013

"While we can’t reclaim all five seats on this board in November, taking back three of them will put balance and stability in place and restore some semblance of sanity to our schools and community. With two minority seats retained, the remaining board members can still have their voice heard, still have financial input, still bring issues to the table, but will not have the absolute, unchecked authority that has run amuck in our community over the past year. We need diversity of perspective, not lockstep adherence to political goals and objectives that are not in the best interests of our children."

Mr. Bowman's logical process seems to be screaming against conservative board control and only sees switching it to liberal union led board control as the lone solution available.

Nothing says progress like handing the purse strings to the union members on the school board so that they may more equitably negotiate with their union brethren.

That my friends is a recipe for disaster that has played out relentlessly over the past five years.

Mr. Bowman is to be forgiven for his lapse in logic and his neglect of whom was behind the majority of hysteria in the school district. Supposed intimates often overlook the warts on a friends face.

Organized union labor are the ones who wished to quash any debate on the merits of numerous issues.
And loudly and contentiously they proceeded to delay every move made by the board in an effort to stifle investigations. Why are they afraid of discussing ideas? Why the strong desire to keep people in the dark regarding finances, organizational structure, weakness in the curriculum, other teaching options, adequate protection of our students, or other aspects of life that go against their professed narratives?

The union and its supporters are not for sunshine, they are for darkness and gloom. The less light cast on these subjects, and others, the better for the union.

Vote for sunshine, vote for people who will stand up for our children instead of a union, and vote for people who can solve problems without taking more unneeded money from you.

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