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No Doubt

Englewood, OH

#26251 Aug 3, 2013
Stand Up For Kids wrote:
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NO THREE CONSERVATIVES ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT EQUALS NO YES VOTE FOR RENEWAL FOR THE GREEDY HOSTILE SEA.
No doubt your inability to form a comprehensible sentence as well as your narrowminded, agenda-based political outlook demonstrates that the educational system as well as your parents certainly failed you, and for that, I apologize on behalf of civilized society.
No Doubt

Englewood, OH

#26252 Aug 3, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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And to what are you referring my dear anonymous friend?
No doubt you recall Doug, the day that you threatened to kill a poor, innocent bank teller because he informed you that there were fees associated with your decision to overdraw your checking account. You call for fiscal responsibility but can't cover the checks you write personally??

Surely you couldn't have forgotten already? We the voters certainly have not:

http://statecasefiles.justia.com/documents/oh...
Tee Hee Hee

Cincinnati, OH

#26253 Aug 3, 2013
No Doubt wrote:
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No doubt you recall Doug, the day that you threatened to kill a poor, innocent bank teller because he informed you that there were fees associated with your decision to overdraw your checking account. You call for fiscal responsibility but can't cover the checks you write personally??
Surely you couldn't have forgotten already? We the voters certainly have not:
http://statecasefiles.justia.com/documents/oh...
How Silly! how you do ramble on with the same old raves and rants.
B-O-R-I-N-G!
Get Real

Cincinnati, OH

#26254 Aug 3, 2013
No Doubt wrote:
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No doubt there is no need for doug weidemann to waste his time with a petition. He's aligned with Kelly Kohls' way of thinking and even her personal finance history of being broke. How can we trust someone who writes rubber checks to protect our tax dollars? There is a new era of common sense and community pride coming to Springboro in November as we oust the incumbent BOE members..
my,my, now aren't you just the busy-body micro managing "trust" with such disgusting lies!
But, thanks for the tip... anyone "aligned" with the new philosophy of our reform-minded school board president, Kelly Kohls, os already a winner with Springboro voters!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26255 Aug 3, 2013
No Doubt wrote:
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No doubt you recall Doug, the day that you threatened to kill a poor, innocent bank teller because he informed you that there were fees associated with your decision to overdraw your checking account. You call for fiscal responsibility but can't cover the checks you write personally??
Surely you couldn't have forgotten already? We the voters certainly have not:
http://statecasefiles.justia.com/documents/oh...
Well if you can remember the things that never happened then you are a better man than I, or at least you have a much more fertile imagination.

I wish you could also remember all of the children in this community that are not getting the education we are paying for each year.

This past year we find from the OAA math tests at the junior high we still have 80% of the children who score below 75% correct.

OAA 7th grade Math

PROFICIENT range 17-28 correct answers out of 50

PROFICIENT means 34%- 56% scoring is considered passing in 7th grade math.

OAA 8th grade Math

PROFICIENT range 16-27 correct answers out of 50

PROFICIENT means 32%- 54% scoring is considered passing in 8th grade math

Next consider that ADVANCED begins at 58% and 56% retrospectively.

We have no alternative but to come up with solutions to save our children's futures.

PROFICIENT equals FAILURE for our community, school system, teachers, and most importantly, for our children.

http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topic...

Table 14

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Please remember them instead.

If you care to answer the question on how is 80% failure rate in the junior high acceptable, or would like to speak with me personally on any matter, I am sure it can be arranged.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26256 Aug 3, 2013
The Accelerated 7th grade OAA math scores range from 29 correct answers to 35 correct answers out of 50 questions

That is 58%-70% correct on the test.

The same group of children in the 6th grade had 263 kids scoring below 75%. or 54% of the class of 2018.

In 7th grade they had 359+ below 75% or 77%+ of the class of 2018 now scoring below 75%.

(Ms. Strittenberger has not yet produced the frequency distribution of scores for 2012-13, since ADVANCED ranges from 71%-100% the number of children scoring below 75% will undoubtably go higher)

Continuing the folly of promoting the fact we have only 8% of our kids unable to jump over the subterranean bar the state sets is intellectually dishonest.

This promotion of false accomplishment also prevents us from providing the rationale for greater dedication of resources within these academic disciplines.

http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topic ...

Table 14

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Please remember them instead.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26257 Aug 4, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Well if you can remember the things that never happened then you are a better man than I, or at least you have a much more fertile imagination.
I wish you could also remember all of the children in this community that are not getting the education we are paying for each year.
This past year we find from the OAA math tests at the junior high we still have 80% of the children who score below 75% correct.
OAA 7th grade Math
PROFICIENT range 17-28 correct answers out of 50
PROFICIENT means 34%- 56% scoring is considered passing in 7th grade math.
OAA 8th grade Math
PROFICIENT range 16-27 correct answers out of 50
PROFICIENT means 32%- 54% scoring is considered passing in 8th grade math
Next consider that ADVANCED begins at 58% and 56% retrospectively.
We have no alternative but to come up with solutions to save our children's futures.
PROFICIENT equals FAILURE for our community, school system, teachers, and most importantly, for our children.
http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topic...
Table 14
Page 15
Please remember them instead.
If you care to answer the question on how is 80% failure rate in the junior high acceptable, or would like to speak with me personally on any matter, I am sure it can be arranged.
Please note correction. ACCELERATED is after PROFICIENT as a ranking category.

"Next consider that ACCELERATED begins at 58% and 56% retrospectively."

In today's world of education Mr. Malone promotes to the community, if your child scores 58% they are doing great.

If you think that is great, wait until your child takes their ACT tests.

58% of the questions correct will give you a solid 23 on the Math portion of the ACT

Of course, getting accepted into top tier schools and programs with that type of scoring will limit your child's options.

Also the good money for academic scholarships is located in the 30's scoring range on the ACT test, just like Ms Kohls said.
The Time Has Come

Cincinnati, OH

#26258 Aug 4, 2013
Reject Forced Unionism wrote:
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YOU are wrong, If YOU think your false teachings of Unionism religion are the ONLY rule of authority over Springboro taxpayers MONEY! Forced Unionism is a WASTE of OUR CHILDREN'S School Tax Dollars! Forced Unionism has NO place in our children's classrooms in our successful Springboro schools! Forced unionism is spreading a dome of hostility, greed, suspicion and disrespect of "outsiders and non-union professionals" over our entire community, protesting against all good things that have been accomplished by our BOE majority representatives, doing what's right for our school children's classroom teachers and our taxpaying homeowners. Springboro property owners' rights are continuously violated by the Springboro Education Association’s old outdated collective bargaining laws, giving Springboro Teachers legal rights to emotionally blackmail taxpayers for more taxation on our private properties; or else the teachers will take away our students' RIGHTS (and excitement) of welcoming a new school year of learning, in our excellent schools with highly qualified and well paid classroom teachers. We all remember the excitement of beginning a new school year; but we all wonder WHY Springboro teachers are refusing to accept this great job offer, depriving our children of their "rights."
And speaking of protection.. the only protection the union offers
our good teachers is teachers RIGHTS to continue doing WRONG by joining the Union. Unionism is simply the "state religion" imposed upon a free democracy, taxing the people, but refusing to recognize the people's representatives, as elected officials on the governing body our of local schools.
Currently, we have about 400 Springboro union activists, some of them professionally trained community organizers and blog writers, working with the press toward the political destruction of BOE elected officials, Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, and Mr.Rigano; fighting for the oppressive political liberty of the Springboro Education Association, and against our children's rights to a quality classroom education within the guidelines of our Children's First budget, which has been UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED by our Board of Education elected officials
(who represent the community as a whole, including the 400 protestors making noise to have it all one way, union first.)
We are hearing the outrage of "unfairness" from the Springboro Education Association, fighting to get more money for doing less work for our children's classroom education. But where is the outrage of "unfairness" to our children? Is there a BOE majority representing our children first who will Stand Up For Kids during these negotiations and demand that Springboro Teachers accept a great employment contract outside joining the union, and with the political liberty of paying no unionism "taxation without representation?"
If Springboro Taxpayers and teachers were free from the enslavement of Springboro Education Association’s "radical rules
of greed" ..... there would be plenty of money to pay our quality teachers increased wages, based on individual work performance and without this great expense and disruption of union collective bargaining "rights" to do wrong for our children's future.
The time has come to go to the polls in November and Vote Against forced unionism in our Springboro Schools.
Springboro taxpayers cannot reason with the SEA.
Springboro taxpayers cannot afford the increasing demands of the SEA by saying Yes to school renewal levy.
Brain Drain Alert

Cincinnati, OH

#26259 Aug 4, 2013
No Doubt wrote:
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No doubt your inability to form a comprehensible sentence as well as your narrowminded, agenda-based political outlook demonstrates that the educational system as well as your parents certainly failed you, and for that, I apologize on behalf of civilized society.
Stand Up For Kids! Vote against Forced Unionism and SEA indoctrination of praise and worship of insanely popular false gods of No-Knowledge who are occupying our children classrooms in our taxpayer-funded public schools facilities!
Reject Forced Unionism

Cincinnati, OH

#26260 Aug 4, 2013
ultimatum wrote:
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This "best and brightest teachers leaving" argument of yours is more than lame! Boro consistenly loses good teachers mediocre teachers and poor teachers for all the same reasons, the most popular typically being moving the family to another area to accomodate career adjustments of the family's primary breadwinner. Before you respond to that---please take into account Springboro's population growth rate in relation to Ohio's general decline in population, as well as the fact that Warren county is the 2nd fastest growing county in Ohio (after Delaware county).
Indeed, Springboro schools and Todd Petrey has a healthy waiting list of teachers to choose from, both younger, as well as older longer teaching histories.
We the parents and citizens of Springboro School District hereby demand the Springboro Education Association accept negotiation terms as outlined and set forth by the Springboro Board of Education.
During contract negotiations, the DDN reported that Springboro Schools had the lowest starting salaries for teachers in Warren County. After the SEA pay increases were granted by the BOE, the DDN reported that now the Springboro schools teachers have the highest staritng salaries in Warren County. After the BOE unanimously voted to put the renewal levy on the ballot in November, the SEA protested it was not enough money to pay the union teachers INCREASED pay in two years when their contract is up for negotiations! Can you believe this hostility and greed being forced upon our schools and community by these union scumbags disguising themselves as "professional educators?"
Where is the VALUE of investing renewal levy in this de-VALUING of our children first?
Reject Forced Unionism

Cincinnati, OH

#26261 Aug 4, 2013
Does the OEA encourage teachers to indoctrinate Ohio’s Kids?
Is the OEA monthly newsletter to teachers posted on public websites?
Do we parents know what our children are learning from teacher unionists, who believe along with the OEA, that teachers should not only be members of a labor union, but also should indoctrinate our children on unionism?

As the OEA dictates teachers in their monthly newsletter,“It’s essential that they not only be teacher unionists, but teachers of unionism. We need to create a generation of students who support teachers and the movements of teachers for their rights.”
How about they focus on just teaching our kids the core skills they will need in math, reading, writing, and science? How about they leave their political ideology and unionism out of the classroom? As the National Assessment of Educational Progress results show, more than half of America’s 8th graders fail basic civics tests. Clearly, our teachers have enough to do already.

The OEA needs to keep its left-wing views outside of the classroom and its hands off our kids’ curriculum. This type of indoctrination isn’t a surprise coming from a group with a leader who once boldly admitted it was more concerned with getting more power than the best interest of our kids.

People should ask themselves if this level of "no distinction" between professional educators and professional union scumbags is what we want to invest in our children's future by saying yes to renewal levy with status quo "reversal" of business as usual.
Reject Forced Unionism

Cincinnati, OH

#26262 Aug 4, 2013
No More Malone Maney-Acts! The time has come to tear down those symbolic with no substance "excellent with distinction" flags off our tax-payer funded school building facilities.
The hypocrisy of these false claims are keeping our children's future left behind bound by those old outdated 1983 collective bargaining laws of the state!

Is the Illusion of Excellence Harmful?

Districts love to point to their fine report card rating as evidence of high performance. Real estate agents love to tout those excellent ratings as proof that a home in the community is a good value. But at some point, Ohioans may want to take a serious look at what is really happening in their school districts. Parents and taxpayers need to know that “excellent” may not be as advertised. It is a disservice to the general public, to parents and especially to children when we pretend that more and more districts are doing a stellar job, when they are not. The stakes are much higher than they are for 1st grade soccer players, who are all superstars. Policymakers must acknowledge that there are serious flaws in an evaluation system that says that the majority of districts are doing excellent work, when all of the data comparing Ohio students nationally and internationally paint a very different picture.

A major disconnect exists when Ohio’s standards suggest that 51.7% of 8th graders are performing at an accelerated or advanced level in reading and the national data suggest that only a small fraction of these 8th graders are anywhere near an advanced level.

School board candidate Ron Malone states that he believes there needs to be a re-emphasis on the VALUE of the educator! You betcha if that November renewal levy passes, that's exactly where our investement of our hard earned dollars will go-- right into the SEA treasure chest of forced pay increases for the union teacher in every child's classroom!.... but, of what value is that Renewal Levy to our kid's 21st century education needs?
Springboro Taxpayer

Cincinnati, OH

#26263 Aug 4, 2013
Healthy Choice wrote:
Under the responsible leadership of our BOE majority of reform minded members (including Dr. Kohls, Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano) our Springboro school district is not only healthier than ever before, but Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners have a CLEAR representation of what this board represents, and it is CLEARLY for our kids FIRST! And that means we can all REMEMBER during these difficult challenges being faced by our school board; that our children first budgeting board members ARE making sure that OUR KIDS ARE NO VICTIMS HERE (as they were in the past).
Why in the world would any parent or concerned citizen choose NOT to fully support the leadership of our board members who have a proven record of supporting OUR CHILDREN FIRST!
There is only ONE reason to vote NO renewal levy in November -- Our Children FIRST!
all budded out

Cleveland, OH

#26264 Aug 4, 2013
Reject Forced Unionism wrote:
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During contract negotiations, the DDN reported that Springboro Schools had the lowest starting salaries for teachers in Warren County. After the SEA pay increases were granted by the BOE, the DDN reported that now the Springboro schools teachers have the highest staritng salaries in Warren County. After the BOE unanimously voted to put the renewal levy on the ballot in November, the SEA protested it was not enough money to pay the union teachers INCREASED pay in two years when their contract is up for negotiations! Can you believe this hostility and greed being forced upon our schools and community by these union scumbags disguising themselves as "professional educators?"
Where is the VALUE of investing renewal levy in this de-VALUING of our children first?
The DDN isn't worthy of lining for the bottom of a bird cage.
Fish-wrapping? Possibly.
Springboro Taxpayer

Cincinnati, OH

#26265 Aug 4, 2013
-Attachments mentioned in this tax info is not included in this post- see contact info below if you have questions regarding source of information-
Good afternoon,
I just wanted to follow up on changes made i the State Budget now that it has been signed and we have more complete analysis (attached).
New and replacement levies will no longer receive 10% and 2.5% reductions, starting with levies passed in November 2013. Inside millage, old levies, renewal levies and levies passed in May or August 2013 will receive the reductions, as before. A levy that is renewed with an increase, would receive the reduction on the renewal portion, but not on the increase portion. This means new/replacement levies will cost HOMEOWNERS more than in the past. This will INCREASE the advertised cost of new levies, increase the cost published in the newspaper and generally make them more difficult to pass. The attached spreadsheet shows an example of this with a new five mill levy. In the past a five mill levy would have cost the owner of $100K home $153.13 (Column E), but will now cost $175 (Column D), a $21.88 increase (Column G).
If a levy is replaced, the levy's entire millage loses the reduction, not just the replaced portion. This may spur you to consider renewal levies with increases, as an alternative.
The Homestead Exemptin will return to means testing for anyone turning 65 in 2014 or thereafter. Anyone already on Homestead will continue to receive. This may put more pressure on your property taxpayers, some of whom will not qualify for Homestead in future years, yet still struggle to pay their tax bill. The state is advertising these changes as revenue neutral to subdivisions,but this is not entirely true. No state reimbursement on future levies and fewer people on Homestead, means more money will need to be collected from HOMEOWNERS, which likely means a small drop in collection rates. The impact from this will be small, but will likely be felt more in areas with high rates of delinquency that pass new levies. Please contact me with any questions.
Sam Braun, Finance Manager
Montgomery County Auditor's Office
Springboro Taxpayer

Cincinnati, OH

#26266 Aug 4, 2013
In a recent report given at Clearcreek Township government business meeting, "The State of Aging in Warren County" states in just a few years-- by 2015- for the first time in US history, people age 65 and older will outnumber children under five. This is just one of the many ways the aging of our population will affect society. According to the 2010 U.S. Census, 11 percent of Warren County's population is age 65 and older and nearly one in five Warren County households includes at least one person who is 65 or older. But by 2030, projections from Miami University show this population growing by more than 160 percent.(Scripps Gerontology Center at Miami University and U.S. Census)

Picture It, Folks! In 2015 when the next union contract is is presented to taxpayers, demanding pay increases for the union teachers, we will have
the highest paid starting salaries in Warren County, the highest population of those 65 years and older, and the school levies will cost the most ever to pass. In a recent board meeting a parent for SURE demonized our board representatives for not paying union teachers more, reminding us that a society is judged by its treatment of its young and its old.
People in this community should as themselves if allowing the union masters to enslave the old in investments of more teachers pay for the young is the greedy society that we want to be.
Vote NO Forced Unionism

Cincinnati, OH

#26267 Aug 4, 2013
The Time Has Come wrote:
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The time has come to go to the polls in November and Vote Against forced unionism in our Springboro Schools.
Springboro taxpayers cannot reason with the SEA.
Springboro taxpayers cannot afford the increasing demands of the SEA by saying Yes to school renewal levy.
Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.- Frederick Douglass

Help Us Help You Stop the SEA from imposing forced unionism with our school tax dollars. Vote Against the Union's Forced School Renewal Levy.
Reject Forced Unionism

Cincinnati, OH

#26268 Aug 4, 2013
The OEA members are some of the worst people we will ever have to deal with as to radical social behavior; because to the OEA radicals they are at war with the taxpayers.
They have the destruction of America in their minds and they are terrible people because their ideology makes them corrosive. They openly use children to execute their maniacal plans for social progressive changes at the expense of society, and this defines their essence. Wars are won by taking away from the other side the will to continue fighting. The OEA attacks them directly hoping to rob them of their will to stand opposed to the union’s progressive agenda.
Big labor's power of forced unionism has crippled America's competitive edge, forced countless companies overseas, polluted our political process for nearly half a century. No one should be forced to pay tribute to a union in order to get or keep a job! Union dues that all teachers are FORCED to pay aren't enough to pay for the union president's salary. Just say NO to forced unionism in November! Send a message to the union masters we see no VALUE in our investment of renewal levy paying big salaries to the union president.
No More Malone

Cincinnati, OH

#26269 Aug 4, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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2000 plus children in this district are already not getting the education the taxpayers are funding.
This is not a new occurrence, but one that has been ongoing for a number of years.
Where has the union been on this issue?
It is as if the union does not care.
The union has been in the pocket of Malone's protection policy of union first in every decision that Malone has made during the 13 years that he has been a high school principal. The high school program of studies were not in the best interest of our student's individual academic achievements; but in the best financial interest of union first; offering courses that offered union teachers increases in pay!
Just one more reason in November to stop funding forced unionism in Springboro Schools.
Vipers and Hypocrites

Cincinnati, OH

#26270 Aug 4, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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www.springboro.org
Go to the transparency project and see for yourself.
top right
Under Personel section
Down to Staff Roster
Absolute poppycock, look from 2008 all the way through, raise raise, raise.
In a time that most people have retrenched and seen wages do the same, the opposite has occurred here.
In case we forget how poverty stricken our union teacher's actually are, let us refresh our memory.
This is how much a teacher in the Springboro School District actually makes per hour.
$36,500 +$5110 the taxpayer picks up for your retirement fund /1350 hours =$30.82/hour
$48,000 +$6720 the taxpayer picks up for your retirement fund/1350 hours =$40.53/hour
$60,000 +$8400 the taxpayer picks up for your retirement fund/1350 hours =$50.66/hour
$75,000 +$10,500 the taxpayer picks up for your retirement fund/1350 hours =$63.33/hour
Which one is underpaid again?
Only One Way To Stop The Lusting for More Money by the Maney-Acts of Boro! Stop feeding the addiction by voting to give more...more..more! The SEA plans to take it all, then come right back for more...more... more...

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