Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Vipers and Hypocrites

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The Scoffer wrote:
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Hey there Brother Ron... come on down to the Boro hypocrites prayer meeting now; You know that your place of ministry is serving as the "only worthy authority" education god, of the Springboro Schools Board of Education. Let's all pray up some false accusations against our children first; and re-instate Brother Ron as Union First President of the Springboro Board of Education.
(Do I hear applause for Ron, my brothers and sisters who are united against fiscal responsibiity in Springboro education?)
A deal is a deal....and Ron's youth union kids made a deal
with Ron that when they came of age, their vote
for revenge would throw responsible spenders of our school tax dollars right out of elected office! Question is: What say ye, Ron, when you come to full power as chief officer of the
unionism bully pulpit, which bullies will sit on your left and your right?
oops! silly me... there simply is no right side to Mr. Malone's vote for revenge against our children first. Guess that leaves Malone LEFT with the prayer response of...... NO.
Could it be that Ron's calling is to serve in volunteer service of his youth unions group through his church, instead of his disruptive service in our schools?
Calling on Brother Ron... to come home, we have a place at the table of service to our youth, and lots of collections plates to pass around to emphasis the VALUE of the education god that's done come home.
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Education in Springboro Schools is all about money and power and who gets to control both. A school house divided cannot provide wholeness for our children's future.
We have a power struggle going on between our children first board members and Malone's union first members; The decisions made during these employment contract negotiations will support our financial victory for our children's first budget; or reverse our school district's money to the control of Malone's "business as usual" forced unionism/indoctrination for
our children's classroom education.
Did You Know that our Springboro Education Association members have joined hands, all wrapped up in themselves, presenting a very small package of non-professional educators to our children's classrooms with the very large price tag to taxpayers with the label of forced unionism: "Proud to Offer Reduced Services at an Increased Price." Where's the Value to our children's future is that?
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Whatta You Think wrote:
If Topix were turned off for a day, what do you suppose conservative extremists would do? Go outside and enjoy the weather??
Malone / Stuckey / Babb for Boro on November 5, 2013!
"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." -Edward R. Murrow

Three of those people in Springboro would be Ron Malone, Dave Stuckey and Lisa Babb.

Isn't it funny how Malone/Stuckey/Babb cannot come up with any new reasons to support the argument they've been making for years;
oh, yes! there is an excellent distinction between professional educators and union scumbags, they continue to argue, but never come up with enough evidence to "prove" it by being open to NEW ideas.
All prejudices aside, surely professional educators cannot thrive in the 21st century classroom, if they are not open to NEW ideas, even when those NEW ideas challenges their strongest beliefs.
No More Dough For Malone/Stuckey/Babb status quo deal making with the SEA taking it all.

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Leon Harrison likes to rub his mummy's muffin.
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"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." -Edward R. Murrow
Three of those people in Springboro would be Ron Malone, Dave Stuckey and Lisa Babb.
Isn't it funny how Malone/Stuckey/Babb cannot come up with any new reasons to support the argument they've been making for years;
oh, yes! there is an excellent distinction between professional educators and union scumbags, they continue to argue, but never come up with enough evidence to "prove" it by being open to NEW ideas.
All prejudices aside, surely professional educators cannot thrive in the 21st century classroom, if they are not open to NEW ideas, even when those NEW ideas challenges their strongest beliefs.
No More Dough For Malone/Stuckey/Babb status quo deal making with the SEA taking it all.
No doubt you people are as amusing as you are ignorant...
Doug Wiedeman

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Whatta You Think wrote:
If Topix were turned off for a day, what do you suppose conservative extremists would do? Go outside and enjoy the weather??
Malone / Stuckey / Babb for Boro on November 5, 2013!
Conservative extremists?

How about concerned with the quality of education our children receive and the taxpayers fund?
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ACT 2012 Results Springboro High School

So let us ask one more time for a response on the type of education the children are receiving and the taxpayers are funding.

The argument that children are not taking these tests seriously probably does not hold water here. This test demonstrates what our children have learned after years of absorbing only 60% of the curriculum.

ACT scores 2012
Scale.....English.......Math.. ........Reading........Science .....Scaled Score
36.......... 75.......... 60..........38-40.......... 40..........36
35........73-74........58-59.. ........37..........none...... ....35
34........71-72........56-57.. ........36..........39........ ..34
33........70..........55...... ....35..........none.......... 33
32........ 69..........54..........34.... ......38..........32
31.........68..........52-53.. ........none.........none..... .....31
30........ 67..........50-51..........33. .........37..........30
29........65-66........48-49.. ........32..........36........ ..2 9
28........64 ..........46-47..........30-31 ..........35..........28
27........62-63.........43-45. .........29..........34....... ...27
26........60-61.........41-42. ........28..........32-33..... ....26
25........57-59.........39-40. ........27..........30-31..... ....25
24........55-56.........37-38. ........26..........29........ ..24
23........53-54.........35-36. .........25..........27-28.... ....23
22........50-52.........33-34. .........24..........25-26.... ....22
21........47-49.........31-32. .........23..........23-24.... ....21
20........44-46.........30.... ......22..........21-22....... .20
19........42-43.........27-29. .........21..........18-20.... ....19
18........39-41.........27-26. .........20..........16-17.... ....18
17........37-38.........22-24. .........19..........14-15.... ....17
16........34-36.........18-21. .......17-18..........13...... ....16
15.........30-33........15-17. .......16..........12......... .15
(the numbers keep going down to zero, if you are interested see the scale at the link below)

http://www.olchs.org/assets/documents/RAW%20S ...

The numbers under the various subjects are the number of questions answered correctly for each subject

Base upon our ACT result posted on line on our transparency project at Springboro.org

For 2012 our ACT averages for each sujbect

English.....24.6 Scaled Score..... answers correct.....56/70 = 80%

Math........24.3 Scaled Score.......answers correct.....37/60 = 62%

Reading...24.5 Scaled Score.......answers correct.....26/40 = 65%

Science....23.9 Scaled Score.......answers correct.....29/40 = 73%

Composite Score 24.4 ..........answers correct.....148/210 = 70%

These are just the kids who took the ACT, this does not take into account those children who did not take the test.

Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)

According to Mr. Malone's scale

English 80% solid C

Math 62% high F

Reading 65% low D

Science 73% high D

Composite Score 70% Solid D

Below are the percentages Mr. Malone assigned to the letter grades received by students involved in the Post Secondary Education Option (PSEO) when he figured the student's Grade Point Average (GPA) and consequent class ranking.

PSEO is a program whereby students leave the high school to attend college courses at local universities. The students earn college credit for classes they take while the school district pays for the tuition if the student passes.
A child without too much effort could have a semester of college completed before they set foot on a college campus.

F.....Below 62.99% correct answers

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers

A..... 93% correct answers and above

If the scale is good enough for kids taking college courses, it's good enough for the rest of the student population as well.
Doug Wiedeman

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Our average score for the Ohio Achievement Assessment test in 2012

8th Grade Math - 435 children (all of the children took this test)

Possible Correct Answers 48

Average Correct Answers 27.4

Percent Correct Answers 59.6%

Median Correct Answers 27 (half the children scored above this number and half below this number)

Range Correct Answers 9-45

ACT Math 2012

Possible Correct Answers 60

Average Correct Answers 37

Percent Correct Answers 61.7%

Median Correct Answers ?(Cannot determine without associated range of scores and frequency distribution of those scores)

Range Correct Answers ?

The argument put forth on this blog is that our children do not take our tests seriously and tend to blow them off because they mean nothing to them.

This argument would not hold for the ACT tests, in that all children know the gravity and importance of this test in relation to their future.

The fact that it mimics the results of the 8th grade test is in my opinion no mere coincidence.

We can ill afford to go forward building knowledge upon incomplete foundations.

Recognizing that PROFICIENT equals FAILURE is the first step towards curing what ails us and our children.

Recognizing secondly that our children's competition is no longer located in Akron or Toledo, but rather in Hong Kong and Singapore.

Resting upon false laurels that we scored better than kids in downtown Cleveland is of scant comfort when one wanders through Walmart and notes where way too many of the products in the store are manufactured.

We live in a global economy, whether we like it or not, and must prepare our children to compete globally instead of locally.

Those, like Mr. Malone, who promote PROFICIENT as success are dooming our children to FAILURE.
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Township hotbed for public meetings issues July 27, 2013
Clearcreek Twp. trustees are headed back to court in a lawsuit accusing them of “regularly and systematically” meeting in violation of public meetings law.
Separately, a local lawmaker is moving forward with a bill in part designed to prevent elected officials in Ohio from holding “pre-meeting meetings” like those forming the basis for the lawsuit.
At issue is when private discussions between elected officials violate Ohio open-meetings law.
Township resident Jack Chrisman’s lawyers filed the lawsuit in July 2011, claiming Trustee Ed Wade and former Trustee Dr. Gregory McDonald met with former Trustee Dennis Lamb in November 2009 and February 2010 without notifying the public.
Chrisman claimed the meetings were attempts to convince Lamb to resign before the end of his term, opening the seat for McDonald.
After Lamb retired, McDonald did not run for his seat. Trustee Jason Gabbard won the election, defeating four other candidates, including Chrisman and Russell Jones.
State Sen. Shannon Jones, a Republican who is married to Russell Jones, plans to seek a hearing with the Ohio Senate’s State Government Oversight & Reform Committee on S.B. 93, a bill calling for changes that would bar privately held, pre-arranged meetings by elected officials.
“We have to err on the side of the public’s right to know and work around those practical challenges. That’s how you preserve the public’s engagement in their government, that’s how you preserve their confidence in their government,” she said.
Last week, lawyers for the trustees and township resident Chrisman scheduled a final hearing on Dec. 20 and a two day trial on Jan. 30-Jan. 31 in Warren County Common Pleas Court to determine whether the meetings — which the trustees and administrators admit to holding — violate Ohio Sunshine Law.
The 12th District Court of Appeals ordered Judge James Flannery to hold a trial to decide whether the meetings were more than informal gatherings limited to gathering information, rather than sessions where decisions were made beyond the eyes of the public.
“Reasonable minds could differ as to whether the discussions at the pre-meeting meetings were prearranged and extended beyond information-gathering and into deliberations,” the 12th District Court of Appeals said in its decision.
The trustees and their lawyer have said they respect the need for open meetings and records. However, they say the standards set by Chrisman’s lawsuit and Jones’ bill will inhibit local officials taking care of government business.
“I think that they’re overzealous,” lawyer John Smith said, pointing to the cost of the Chrisman lawsuit in time and legal fees.“It’s done nothing but suck money, life and time out.”
The 12th District has yet to rule on a dispute over a ruling ordering Chrisman to pay more than $2,000 for bringing frivolous claims as part of the lawsuit.
Clearcreek Twp. pre-meetings
Earlier this month, during public comments at a special meeting, Gabbard indicated the trustees discussed public business privately.
Referring to Trustee Ed Wade, Gabbard said,“You and I have discussed this individually” during comments at a July 15 meeting on whether to place a fire levy on November ballots.
The trustees — and other Ohio public officials — will continue to meet privately on public business, buoyed by rulings like Flannery’s in the Chrisman case, lawyer Christopher Finney said.
“They are completely confident the judge will be consistent with his prior rulings,” said Finney — who with lawyer Curt Hartman — has brought lawsuits claiming public meeting and public records violations by local governments around Ohio.
“The courts have created this artificial differentiation between discussion and deliberation,” Finney said.
Wade and Lamb testified that the meetings fell short of deliberations. Trustee Cathy Anspach and Fiscal Officer Linda Oda have sided with Chrisman in the lawsuit.
Doug Wiedeman

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A couple things to remember when we analyze the ACT results is that not all children take this test. The class has been culled the high school administration by strongly suggesting to some children that the Warren County Career Center would probably be a better educational fit for the child. I was rather surprised to hear of the dumping of children out of the school. For some it may be a good move, for others, maybe they are late bloomers. Who is to tell at 14 or 15?

Definition of Raw Scores:

The ACT is scored in the same way as most tests. For every question you answer correctly you will receive 1 raw point. Then, those raw points are converted to scale the exam from 1-36 in each section.

How is the ACT scored?

Each subject area of the test-- math, reading, English, and science-- is scored on a scale between 1 and 36. The ACT is graded on a curve and each section is scaled so that the average score is approximately 21.

Math
The ACT Math section allows one minute per question; there are sixty questions and sixty minutes is the time limit. Like all other ACT sections, the Math section consists entirely of multiple-choice questions. Calculators are allowed to be used on the ACT Math section, but most problems should be solvable without a calculator. Although most calculators are permitted on the exam, some calculators are not allowed. Check with the ACT for an updated list of which calculators are acceptable for use on the exam.

The ACT Math section’s material ranges from pre-algebra to intermediate algebra, geometry, plane geometry, and even a small amount of trigonometry. The trigonometry on the ACT is not so difficult and does not make up so much of the final score, so students who have not taken classes in trigonometry can still study the basics and have no difficulty with these questions. The ACT math section is structured as follows: 40% of the ACT math section comes from pre-algebra and basic algebra questions, 30% comes from intermediate algebra and coordinate geometry, and the remaining 30% comes mainly from plane geometry (23%) and trigonometry (7%).

There are only 60 questions on the Math portion of the ACT test.

24 questions come from pre-algebra and basic algebra

18 questions come from intermediate algebra and coordinate geometry
(Coordinate geometry is plotting points on the X and Y axis)

14 questions come from plane geometry (Plane geometry is all about shapes like lines, circles and triangles on a flat piece of paper.)

4 questions on trigonometry
tongue in cheek

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Not A Chance wrote:
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Yes, Mr. Parise, I am saying that there's Not A Chance that OUR Springboro School Board President, Kelly Kohls, posted that "false press release". Thank You for recognizing your mistake.
With your political expertise, do you have the wherewithal to investigate this "identfy theft" of an Elected Official's name being used to spread false information to the public?
I absolutely agree. There's no way Kelly Kohls would've posted something like that.
However, something many people around here probably don't realize is that Kelly Kohls has an evil twin sister - Shelley Kohls.
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"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." -Edward R. Murrow
Three of those people in Springboro would be Ron Malone, Dave Stuckey and Lisa Babb.
Isn't it funny how Malone/Stuckey/Babb cannot come up with any new reasons to support the argument they've been making for years;
oh, yes! there is an excellent distinction between professional educators and union scumbags, they continue to argue, but never come up with enough evidence to "prove" it by being open to NEW ideas.
All prejudices aside, surely professional educators cannot thrive in the 21st century classroom, if they are not open to NEW ideas, even when those NEW ideas challenges their strongest beliefs.
No More Dough For Malone/Stuckey/Babb status quo deal making with the SEA taking it all.
Malone / Stuckey / Babb

Besides...'supporting the kids'... what exactly IS their campaign platform?

So far all anyone can make of it, it's all about redistribution of Children First to Back Pockets First.
Union First

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fish or cut bait wrote:
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Malone / Stuckey / Babb
Besides...'supporting the kids'... what exactly IS their campaign platform?
So far all anyone can make of it, it's all about redistribution of Children First to Back Pockets First.
They are running because they want to give back to the union.
The Scoffer

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I absolutely agree. There's no way Kelly Kohls would've posted something like that.
However, something many people around here probably don't realize is that Kelly Kohls has an evil twin sister - Shelley Kohls.
So what's in a Name? All Springboro Education Association scumbags all wear the same names of Ron Malone, Dave Stuckey, and Lisa Babb. All Springboro Education Association scumbags all wear the same red label of the big, bad "wolves in sheeps' clothing stamped: Property of Forced Unionism in Violation of Common Decency.
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Wow, you tea baggers are getting more and more crazy as the election approaches. Of course the rest of us republicans expected this, time to take back control and vote you all out.
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Crazier wrote:
Wow, you tea baggers are getting more and more crazy as the election approaches. Of course the rest of us republicans expected this, time to take back control and vote you all out.
Well some of them are, can't they see we just want to give back to the union that has supported us all for so long. Is it too much to ask of our children, parents, and community to support those who give so much to our teachers and their families?
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Malone / Stuckey / Babb
Besides...'supporting the kids'... what exactly IS their campaign platform?
So far all anyone can make of it, it's all about redistribution of Children First to Back Pockets First.
Mr. Budd of the DDN writes in his article "Group seeks control of Springboro board" ... Ex-principal, teacher seeks to challenge current president. Dave Stuckey plans to join a three-person ticket that includes former Springboro High school prncipal Ron
Malone. A community group, Springboro United for Responsible Education, is working to put together the new three-person ticket...I think it's essential to have a three-person ticket in the situation we're in," said Lynn Greenberg, a SURE leader. "we've had our eyes open for strong members of the community that would like to step forward." ---

Oh my goodness! Union wooly bully, Lynn Greenberg, must have pulled the wool over her own eyes! Those attending the public school board meeting last February 14, 2012, saw with our own wide open eyes, former school board candidate, Lisa Babb, jump up and grasp the microphone, verbally attacking the school board representatives who were chosen by voters in November 2011, falsely accusing these two elected officials of "trying to bully her in violation of the student's code of behavior" and former school board president Scott Anderson allowed this Maney-Act to go on and on, UNTIL a Springboro citizen, interrupted, simply stating "that is not true!" We were all taken "aback" by Lisa Babb's out of control hostile behavior, that she obviously had pre-planned with SEA officer, Sarah Thornbury, since Sarah immediately jumped up to proclaim she was the only library specialist in town!(Guess that meant she and Lisa aimed to "throw the book" at the two newly elected school board representatives!)

The DDN article "Group seeks control of Springboro board" goes on to report: Dave Stuckey says The bottom line is that Ron Malone and I are running. We're going to try and find a third person that fits our ideas and what we want to accomplish!

Well, Mr. Stuckey will be pleased to know that there's no one in town that can throw a bigger bully FIT in "seeking control of the Springboro board," than our failed 2011 school board candidate and pro-levy lover of tax and spend, Lisa Babb! How fortunate for Stuckey/Malone to have identified "the bottom line is...Bad Babb for Boro!" How low can she go?... H E double hockey sticks hath NO fury like a Lisa Babb scorned at the polls!
The Bottom Line

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Babb for Increased Taxes wrote:
The Tax and Spend Lovers lost no time in getting their increased demands out to the public, as soon as their hostile demands were met by the Board of Education in contract negotiations.
Here's the newest NFSS Christmas in July wish list that has everything on it except common sense, respect for Springboro families, and responsible spending while living within the framework of our children's first budget. Sounds like Lisa Babb has crafted another failing agenda for her bid to win "most popular ever" in the November 2013 school board elections.
We can expect the NFSS group to show up in public board meeting on Thursday to "Teach our Board how to increase taxes on all Springboro families" and demand that "fiscal responsibility" has no place in the SEA contract nor the School Renewal Levy!
We can expect that Kelly Kohls will be bashed and trashed for doing good for all Springboro school children, teachers and families by those NFSS tax and spend lovers, who want to leave accountability behind. They just want more Money!
So all the NFSS folks can be expected to pre-arrange to participate in another "interrogation" of "Ask the Board" why the SEA can't take it all
from Our Children's Future.
(1)Why put Springboro Schools in another potential strike situation just two years from now by not taking future increases into account?
(2)Why reach for a tax cut rather than presume reasonable pay for the people behind our school district’s strength??
(3)Salaries and benefits are not the only expense that may be under-budgeted: Replacing the worn-out high school football field turf (estimated price tag:$400,000) and accommodating Springboro’s infamous student population “bubble”– which means that 200 additional students will be passing through our high school in two years, where it costs more to educate them because of the need for specialized teachers, more advanced materials and so forth – are also missing from the forecast."
The bottom line is you can't go any lower in violation of common decency than Lisa Babb and the Neighbors for Springboro Schools in their hostile demands that Springboro families give it all to the SEA. What is up with these monster mommies that have lost all joy in sacrificing and investing THEMSELVES in their children's education; but seek revenge against their neighbors for not paying government union workers to do more for their children, than even the parents are willng to do!
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74% is still C- territory, hardly excellent with distinction now is it?
How low can the hardly excellent with distinction go -- with no higher inspiration and motivation than "re-instating the insanely popular Ron Malone" to business as usual, with NFSS monster Mom Lisa Babb on his left, and forced unionism false god of social studies, Dave Stuckey, on his right? Oops! Dave can't be on Ron's RIGHT -- there is no RIGHT side for our children first inside the SEA classrooms of Malone/Stuckey/Babb...just more OEA indoctrination of our children's minds and spirits to fight, fight, fight for social justice for our wonderful unionized teachers, and the levies for pay increases will take care of themselves! But Who Will Take Care of Our Children First? Who will be on the side of doing what's right for our school children and community, even when doing what's right is "insanely unpopular?"
Who will stand up for our kids on November 5, 2013?
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Whatta You Think wrote:
If Topix were turned off for a day, what do you suppose conservative extremists would do? Go outside and enjoy the weather??
Malone / Stuckey / Babb for Boro on November 5, 2013!
Don't know what you mean by "conversative extremists" but just thinking that some do have broader vision of our children's future education and investing our school tax dollars ensuring a quality classroom education, while living within our means; than the narrow-minded tunnel vision of Malone/Stuckey/Babb liberal socialists have shown, by their behavior since January 2012.
Mr. Malone is promoting an attitude of "obsession" in his vengenace for revenge against Springboro parent Kelly Kohls, in his lust to grab power and control over his political opposition.
Just thinking that Ron Malone's attitude is just not a healthy choice for matters of the heart of it all, the educating of our children for the future of America. Malone/Stuckey/Babb campaign for school board projects a tunnel vision of old outdated ideas, as if the student's world begins and ends in Springboro's K-12 public schools, with a union teacher in every classroom. Just thinking that Malone/Stuckey/Babb BOE leadership is not a healthy
investment of levy dollars for the treasures of our hearts -- our kids, our future! We must not allow "insane popularity and performance of maney-acts distract us from the heart of it all.

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