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#26162 Jul 29, 2013
ACT 2012 Results Springboro High School
So let us ask one more time for a response on the type of education the children are receiving and the taxpayers are funding.
The argument that children are not taking these tests seriously probably does not hold water here. This test demonstrates what our children have learned after years of absorbing only 60% of the curriculum.
ACT scores 2012
Scale.....English.......Math.. ........Reading........Science .....Scaled Score
36.......... 75.......... 60..........38-40.......... 40..........36
35........73-74........58-59.. ........37..........none...... ....35
34........71-72........56-57.. ........36..........39........ ..34
33........70..........55...... ....35..........none.......... 33
32........ 69..........54..........34.... ......38..........32
31.........68..........52-53.. ........none.........none..... .....31
30........ 67..........50-51..........33. .........37..........30
29........65-66........48-49.. ........32..........36........ ..2 9
28........64 ..........46-47..........30-31 ..........35..........28
27........62-63.........43-45. .........29..........34....... ...27
26........60-61.........41-42. ........28..........32-33..... ....26
25........57-59.........39-40. ........27..........30-31..... ....25
24........55-56.........37-38. ........26..........29........ ..24
23........53-54.........35-36. .........25..........27-28.... ....23
22........50-52.........33-34. .........24..........25-26.... ....22
21........47-49.........31-32. .........23..........23-24.... ....21
20........44-46.........30.... ......22..........21-22....... .20
19........42-43.........27-29. .........21..........18-20.... ....19
18........39-41.........27-26. .........20..........16-17.... ....18
17........37-38.........22-24. .........19..........14-15.... ....17
16........34-36.........18-21. .......17-18..........13...... ....16
15.........30-33........15-17. .......16..........12......... .15
(the numbers keep going down to zero, if you are interested see the scale at the link below)
The numbers under the various subjects are the number of questions answered correctly for each subject
Base upon our ACT result posted on line on our transparency project at Springboro.org
For 2012 our ACT averages for each sujbect
English.....24.6 Scaled Score..... answers correct.....56/70 = 80%
Math........24.3 Scaled Score.......answers correct.....37/60 = 62%
Reading...24.5 Scaled Score.......answers correct.....26/40 = 65%
Science....23.9 Scaled Score.......answers correct.....29/40 = 73%
Composite Score 24.4 ..........answers correct.....148/210 = 70%
These are just the kids who took the ACT, this does not take into account those children who did not take the test.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
According to Mr. Malone's scale
English 80% solid C
Math 62% high F
Reading 65% low D
Science 73% high D
Composite Score 70% Solid D
Below are the percentages Mr. Malone assigned to the letter grades received by students involved in the Post Secondary Education Option (PSEO) when he figured the student's Grade Point Average (GPA) and consequent class ranking.
PSEO is a program whereby students leave the high school to attend college courses at local universities. The students earn college credit for classes they take while the school district pays for the tuition if the student passes.
A child without too much effort could have a semester of college completed before they set foot on a college campus.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers
A..... 93% correct answers and above
If the scale is good enough for kids taking college courses, it's good enough for the rest of the student population as well.
#26163 Jul 29, 2013
Our average score for the Ohio Achievement Assessment test in 2012
8th Grade Math - 435 children (all of the children took this test)
Possible Correct Answers 48
Average Correct Answers 27.4
Percent Correct Answers 59.6%
Median Correct Answers 27 (half the children scored above this number and half below this number)
Range Correct Answers 9-45
ACT Math 2012
Possible Correct Answers 60
Average Correct Answers 37
Percent Correct Answers 61.7%
Median Correct Answers ?(Cannot determine without associated range of scores and frequency distribution of those scores)
Range Correct Answers ?
The argument put forth on this blog is that our children do not take our tests seriously and tend to blow them off because they mean nothing to them.
This argument would not hold for the ACT tests, in that all children know the gravity and importance of this test in relation to their future.
The fact that it mimics the results of the 8th grade test is in my opinion no mere coincidence.
We can ill afford to go forward building knowledge upon incomplete foundations.
Recognizing that PROFICIENT equals FAILURE is the first step towards curing what ails us and our children.
Recognizing secondly that our children's competition is no longer located in Akron or Toledo, but rather in Hong Kong and Singapore.
Resting upon false laurels that we scored better than kids in downtown Cleveland is of scant comfort when one wanders through Walmart and notes where way too many of the products in the store are manufactured.
We live in a global economy, whether we like it or not, and must prepare our children to compete globally instead of locally.
Those, like Mr. Malone, who promote PROFICIENT as success are dooming our children to FAILURE.
#26164 Jul 29, 2013
Township hotbed for public meetings issues July 27, 2013
Clearcreek Twp. trustees are headed back to court in a lawsuit accusing them of “regularly and systematically” meeting in violation of public meetings law.
Separately, a local lawmaker is moving forward with a bill in part designed to prevent elected officials in Ohio from holding “pre-meeting meetings” like those forming the basis for the lawsuit.
At issue is when private discussions between elected officials violate Ohio open-meetings law.
Township resident Jack Chrisman’s lawyers filed the lawsuit in July 2011, claiming Trustee Ed Wade and former Trustee Dr. Gregory McDonald met with former Trustee Dennis Lamb in November 2009 and February 2010 without notifying the public.
Chrisman claimed the meetings were attempts to convince Lamb to resign before the end of his term, opening the seat for McDonald.
After Lamb retired, McDonald did not run for his seat. Trustee Jason Gabbard won the election, defeating four other candidates, including Chrisman and Russell Jones.
State Sen. Shannon Jones, a Republican who is married to Russell Jones, plans to seek a hearing with the Ohio Senate’s State Government Oversight & Reform Committee on S.B. 93, a bill calling for changes that would bar privately held, pre-arranged meetings by elected officials.
“We have to err on the side of the public’s right to know and work around those practical challenges. That’s how you preserve the public’s engagement in their government, that’s how you preserve their confidence in their government,” she said.
Last week, lawyers for the trustees and township resident Chrisman scheduled a final hearing on Dec. 20 and a two day trial on Jan. 30-Jan. 31 in Warren County Common Pleas Court to determine whether the meetings — which the trustees and administrators admit to holding — violate Ohio Sunshine Law.
The 12th District Court of Appeals ordered Judge James Flannery to hold a trial to decide whether the meetings were more than informal gatherings limited to gathering information, rather than sessions where decisions were made beyond the eyes of the public.
“Reasonable minds could differ as to whether the discussions at the pre-meeting meetings were prearranged and extended beyond information-gathering and into deliberations,” the 12th District Court of Appeals said in its decision.
The trustees and their lawyer have said they respect the need for open meetings and records. However, they say the standards set by Chrisman’s lawsuit and Jones’ bill will inhibit local officials taking care of government business.
“I think that they’re overzealous,” lawyer John Smith said, pointing to the cost of the Chrisman lawsuit in time and legal fees.“It’s done nothing but suck money, life and time out.”
The 12th District has yet to rule on a dispute over a ruling ordering Chrisman to pay more than $2,000 for bringing frivolous claims as part of the lawsuit.
Clearcreek Twp. pre-meetings
Earlier this month, during public comments at a special meeting, Gabbard indicated the trustees discussed public business privately.
Referring to Trustee Ed Wade, Gabbard said,“You and I have discussed this individually” during comments at a July 15 meeting on whether to place a fire levy on November ballots.
The trustees — and other Ohio public officials — will continue to meet privately on public business, buoyed by rulings like Flannery’s in the Chrisman case, lawyer Christopher Finney said.
“They are completely confident the judge will be consistent with his prior rulings,” said Finney — who with lawyer Curt Hartman — has brought lawsuits claiming public meeting and public records violations by local governments around Ohio.
“The courts have created this artificial differentiation between discussion and deliberation,” Finney said.
Wade and Lamb testified that the meetings fell short of deliberations. Trustee Cathy Anspach and Fiscal Officer Linda Oda have sided with Chrisman in the lawsuit.
#26166 Jul 29, 2013
A couple things to remember when we analyze the ACT results is that not all children take this test. The class has been culled the high school administration by strongly suggesting to some children that the Warren County Career Center would probably be a better educational fit for the child. I was rather surprised to hear of the dumping of children out of the school. For some it may be a good move, for others, maybe they are late bloomers. Who is to tell at 14 or 15?
Definition of Raw Scores:
The ACT is scored in the same way as most tests. For every question you answer correctly you will receive 1 raw point. Then, those raw points are converted to scale the exam from 1-36 in each section.
How is the ACT scored?
Each subject area of the test-- math, reading, English, and science-- is scored on a scale between 1 and 36. The ACT is graded on a curve and each section is scaled so that the average score is approximately 21.
The ACT Math section allows one minute per question; there are sixty questions and sixty minutes is the time limit. Like all other ACT sections, the Math section consists entirely of multiple-choice questions. Calculators are allowed to be used on the ACT Math section, but most problems should be solvable without a calculator. Although most calculators are permitted on the exam, some calculators are not allowed. Check with the ACT for an updated list of which calculators are acceptable for use on the exam.
The ACT Math section’s material ranges from pre-algebra to intermediate algebra, geometry, plane geometry, and even a small amount of trigonometry. The trigonometry on the ACT is not so difficult and does not make up so much of the final score, so students who have not taken classes in trigonometry can still study the basics and have no difficulty with these questions. The ACT math section is structured as follows: 40% of the ACT math section comes from pre-algebra and basic algebra questions, 30% comes from intermediate algebra and coordinate geometry, and the remaining 30% comes mainly from plane geometry (23%) and trigonometry (7%).
There are only 60 questions on the Math portion of the ACT test.
24 questions come from pre-algebra and basic algebra
18 questions come from intermediate algebra and coordinate geometry
(Coordinate geometry is plotting points on the X and Y axis)
14 questions come from plane geometry (Plane geometry is all about shapes like lines, circles and triangles on a flat piece of paper.)
4 questions on trigonometry
#26167 Jul 29, 2013
I absolutely agree. There's no way Kelly Kohls would've posted something like that.
However, something many people around here probably don't realize is that Kelly Kohls has an evil twin sister - Shelley Kohls.
#26168 Jul 29, 2013
Malone / Stuckey / Babb
Besides...'supporting the kids'... what exactly IS their campaign platform?
So far all anyone can make of it, it's all about redistribution of Children First to Back Pockets First.
#26169 Jul 29, 2013
They are running because they want to give back to the union.
#26170 Jul 29, 2013
So what's in a Name? All Springboro Education Association scumbags all wear the same names of Ron Malone, Dave Stuckey, and Lisa Babb. All Springboro Education Association scumbags all wear the same red label of the big, bad "wolves in sheeps' clothing stamped: Property of Forced Unionism in Violation of Common Decency.
#26171 Jul 29, 2013
Wow, you tea baggers are getting more and more crazy as the election approaches. Of course the rest of us republicans expected this, time to take back control and vote you all out.
#26172 Jul 29, 2013
Well some of them are, can't they see we just want to give back to the union that has supported us all for so long. Is it too much to ask of our children, parents, and community to support those who give so much to our teachers and their families?
#26173 Jul 29, 2013
Mr. Budd of the DDN writes in his article "Group seeks control of Springboro board" ... Ex-principal, teacher seeks to challenge current president. Dave Stuckey plans to join a three-person ticket that includes former Springboro High school prncipal Ron
Malone. A community group, Springboro United for Responsible Education, is working to put together the new three-person ticket...I think it's essential to have a three-person ticket in the situation we're in," said Lynn Greenberg, a SURE leader. "we've had our eyes open for strong members of the community that would like to step forward." ---
Oh my goodness! Union wooly bully, Lynn Greenberg, must have pulled the wool over her own eyes! Those attending the public school board meeting last February 14, 2012, saw with our own wide open eyes, former school board candidate, Lisa Babb, jump up and grasp the microphone, verbally attacking the school board representatives who were chosen by voters in November 2011, falsely accusing these two elected officials of "trying to bully her in violation of the student's code of behavior" and former school board president Scott Anderson allowed this Maney-Act to go on and on, UNTIL a Springboro citizen, interrupted, simply stating "that is not true!" We were all taken "aback" by Lisa Babb's out of control hostile behavior, that she obviously had pre-planned with SEA officer, Sarah Thornbury, since Sarah immediately jumped up to proclaim she was the only library specialist in town!(Guess that meant she and Lisa aimed to "throw the book" at the two newly elected school board representatives!)
The DDN article "Group seeks control of Springboro board" goes on to report: Dave Stuckey says The bottom line is that Ron Malone and I are running. We're going to try and find a third person that fits our ideas and what we want to accomplish!
Well, Mr. Stuckey will be pleased to know that there's no one in town that can throw a bigger bully FIT in "seeking control of the Springboro board," than our failed 2011 school board candidate and pro-levy lover of tax and spend, Lisa Babb! How fortunate for Stuckey/Malone to have identified "the bottom line is...Bad Babb for Boro!" How low can she go?... H E double hockey sticks hath NO fury like a Lisa Babb scorned at the polls!
#26174 Jul 29, 2013
The bottom line is you can't go any lower in violation of common decency than Lisa Babb and the Neighbors for Springboro Schools in their hostile demands that Springboro families give it all to the SEA. What is up with these monster mommies that have lost all joy in sacrificing and investing THEMSELVES in their children's education; but seek revenge against their neighbors for not paying government union workers to do more for their children, than even the parents are willng to do!
#26175 Jul 29, 2013
How low can the hardly excellent with distinction go -- with no higher inspiration and motivation than "re-instating the insanely popular Ron Malone" to business as usual, with NFSS monster Mom Lisa Babb on his left, and forced unionism false god of social studies, Dave Stuckey, on his right? Oops! Dave can't be on Ron's RIGHT -- there is no RIGHT side for our children first inside the SEA classrooms of Malone/Stuckey/Babb...just more OEA indoctrination of our children's minds and spirits to fight, fight, fight for social justice for our wonderful unionized teachers, and the levies for pay increases will take care of themselves! But Who Will Take Care of Our Children First? Who will be on the side of doing what's right for our school children and community, even when doing what's right is "insanely unpopular?"
Who will stand up for our kids on November 5, 2013?
#26176 Jul 29, 2013
Don't know what you mean by "conversative extremists" but just thinking that some do have broader vision of our children's future education and investing our school tax dollars ensuring a quality classroom education, while living within our means; than the narrow-minded tunnel vision of Malone/Stuckey/Babb liberal socialists have shown, by their behavior since January 2012.
Mr. Malone is promoting an attitude of "obsession" in his vengenace for revenge against Springboro parent Kelly Kohls, in his lust to grab power and control over his political opposition.
Just thinking that Ron Malone's attitude is just not a healthy choice for matters of the heart of it all, the educating of our children for the future of America. Malone/Stuckey/Babb campaign for school board projects a tunnel vision of old outdated ideas, as if the student's world begins and ends in Springboro's K-12 public schools, with a union teacher in every classroom. Just thinking that Malone/Stuckey/Babb BOE leadership is not a healthy
investment of levy dollars for the treasures of our hearts -- our kids, our future! We must not allow "insane popularity and performance of maney-acts distract us from the heart of it all.
Since: Jul 13
#26177 Jul 29, 2013
The bottom line is that the voter is going to have to wade through all the bull and figure out which side they believe. At this point, as far as the Malone/Babb/Stuckey contingent is concerned, all I have heard is they are running and they are "for the children." Well, aren't we all "for the children?" That tells me nothing. Tell me why I should vote for them. What will they do that the current board has not that is in the best interest of the children. I hope the answer is not to simply throw more money at what ever perceived problem exists. We've been there and done that.
As for the current board they have a record. Not perfect but, on balance from where I sit, it looks pretty good compared to when they took the reins. Give me a reason to vote for Malone/Babb/Stuckey, not a reason to vote against the current board.
As you decide I would encourage all of you to not rely on the noisy minority of parents who have resorted to personal attacks on the current board; outright misrepresentation about what the board has/is doing; and worse, are completely clueless about the financial state of the current school system. In the past they told us to pass levy after levy for fear that doom, gloom, chaos and utter panic would set upon us. Well, still waiting for it. They have their side of the story and I respect their desire to do what they think is the right thing. I simply question their motives and their knowledge of the current state of financial affairs and what it takes to do better.
Doing the research to make informed decisions requires work, but also comes with some risk. Look at Doug Weideman's posts. He clearly comes to the table prepared with numbers. What does he get in return? Crackpots who feels the need to publish his address and plane registrations. This tells me some people are not interest in the facts, so there will be no changing their minds whatsoever. The problem with them is they negate the informed persons vote.
If you don't like the current board…fine. At least make an informed decision…not one based on pure emotion. The kids of this community deserve as much.
#26178 Jul 29, 2013
Gone are the days in our school district when Springboro voters were supposed to "rubber stamp" whomever the Springboro Education Association chose to fund and exploit for Union Solidarity! School board election is not "non-partisan" and we must have a balance of candidates running for those three open positions.
Currently on the Board of Elections website, I know of only
ONE parent who has pulled petitions who is FIT to serve; but there is only one name that I've never heard before -- Jamie Belanger pulled petitions on July 19, 2013, the same day that petitions were pulled by Lisa Jo Babb.
WHO IS JAMIE BELANGER?
Inquiring minds need to know.
#26179 Jul 29, 2013
The OEA members/union activists are some of the worst people we will ever have to deal with as to radical social behavior; because to the OEA radicals they are at war with the taxpayers.
They have the destruction of America in their minds and they are terrible people because their ideology makes them corrosive. They openly use children to execute their maniacal plans for social progressive changes at the expense of society, and this defines their essence. Wars are won by taking away from the other side the will to continue fighting. The OEA attacks them directly hoping to rob them of their will to stand opposed to the union’s progressive agenda.
There is NO reasoning with the Springobro Education Association members, the SURE group, nor the Neighbors for Springboro Schools. They are angry, hostile, mean-spirited, bitter, and totally without gratitude and appreciation of the simple joys of home, family, faith, and love; and care only for the collective forced investment of other's labor, which the SEA feels their dollar "VALUE" is greater than all.
As we have seen recently when the contract settlement gave the SEA all they said they wanted from taxpayers; still they greedily protested "give us more; we don't want increased pay; we just want it all and we demand the board to PAY it all to the SEA, because Ron Malone says so..."There needs to be a re-emphasis on the VALUE of the educator."
#26180 Jul 29, 2013
The "crackpots" attack me because they have no defense for the indefensible.
Aside from posting PROFICIENT is not FAILURE, they always forget to explain to us why a child getting only 42% correct on a Ohio Graduation Test is good enough.
PROFICIENT does equate to FAILURE.
Next time someone tells you it does not, ask them what they would do if their child had absorbed less than 33% of the math presented by the 8th grade?
32% was the bottom of the PROFICIENT scale in 8th grade math on the Ohio Achievement Assessment test.
Let them ignore the truth, it won't stop me from broadcasting the message.
As parents review their child's ACT results, some may be wondering why their child did not score higher than they did given the grades they received throughout their education.
The reality is the tests reflect what that student learned or did not learn.
PROFICIENT equals FAILURE and those who promote otherwise compromise your child's future.
#26181 Jul 29, 2013
He's the next common sense member of our community to restore decency to our board of education..
#26182 Jul 29, 2013
Does he support PROFICIENT as the gold standard of education?
PROFICIENT equals FAILURE
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