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#26146 Jul 28, 2013
Not A Chance wrote:
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Mr. Parise, the slimy snakes of the SEA kind has taught Springboro citizens that we cannot believe "everything we see in print" and we cannot trust anything that the SEA slimy snakes put into print in the liberal DDN newspapers, nor on this blog.
Now I have observed and learned from the good leadership of Kelly Kohls for several years, since she was elected in November 2009 as school board representative, and I can recognize that this post is know Kelly Kohls style of leadership, and there's not a chance that OUR school board president posted that Kelly Kohls' message to her supporters.
Obviously, the post your are "supporting" is another mean-spirited attempt of the boro maney-acts to ridicule the school board president with the false accusation that she is trying to teach creationism in our public schools, and that is just another maloney-baloney lie about Kelly Kohls, that is typical of the lying tongue of Ron Malone and his wife Sherri, as they have been challenging the authority of our children first board members, since trying to "throw them out of elected office" last March 2012 in the high school auditorium "Interrogation Room." Don't know if you saw this maney act of politics of personal distruction during the time it was being played out live throughout our community.
Mr. Malone has been trying to "walk in the shoes of our highly respected and popular BOE president, Kelly Kohls, since January 2012; when the results of the 2011 election gave "we the people" our first ever BOE majority of conservative leaders.
Our has been a high school president for 13 years has been since January 2012 undermining and plotting against every decision made by the BOE majority for our children first; in his continued efforts to reverse the board to majority control of the Springboro
Education Association and the SEA president, Scott Maney.
The SEA is already planning in two years to walk out on our children's classroom education, unless they take it ALL, as they project BOE majority control be handed over in November 2013 to Babb/Malone/Stuckey union activists and pro-levy lovers of tax and spend. According to the Board of Elections, Kelly Kohls is the only conservative who has pulled petition to run for school board in November. School district voters desperately need TWO more conservatives to step up and support Kelly Kohls by running for school board. It is understoood that you, Mr. Parise, have the political leadership expertise to serve your community. Will you pull petititons to run for school board on a conservative threesome ticket? Not a chance of renwal levy passing if taxpayers have to hand over control of our school tax dollars to "unfit to lead" candidates, including Ron Malone, Dave Stuckey, and Lisa Babb. This threesome has already shown this community what we can expect IF they get the majority of school board votes; just more disruption in our children's classroom education; more public protests against Springboro taxpayers in front of the TV cameras, and more "Three-Ring Circus" pre-arranged performances in the BOE public board meetings, calling attention to Ron's ego of emphasing the "Value" of non-professional union mobsters of the SEA.
Who amongst us will vote to pay renewal levy for that cheap leadership behavior of Ron Malone, Dave Stuckey, and Lisa Babb?
Are you saying the post I supported was a ruse, not actually Kelly Kohls ? If so, my mistake for thinking that poster was legitimate.

Since: Dec 09

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#26147 Jul 28, 2013
the bankrupt kohls wrote:
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do you think her personal bankruptcy was responsible? do you think she did a good job of 'managing her family of 7' by taking out mortgages that exceeded the value of her home? then walking away-stripping the home of value and affecting neighbors? does being underwater mean its not your fault? should we all do the same and use her as our inspiration to model behaviors after? is this the kohls you support john? can you explain why?
I support her because she and others on the school board have kept my taxes in check...something our federal and local governments have not. Money talks, b.s. walks.
Not A Chance

Cincinnati, OH

#26148 Jul 28, 2013
John Parise wrote:
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Are you saying the post I supported was a ruse, not actually Kelly Kohls ? If so, my mistake for thinking that poster was legitimate.
Yes, Mr. Parise, I am saying that there's Not A Chance that OUR Springboro School Board President, Kelly Kohls, posted that "false press release". Thank You for recognizing your mistake.
With your political expertise, do you have the wherewithal to investigate this "identfy theft" of an Elected Official's name being used to spread false information to the public?
imposter

Springfield, OH

#26149 Jul 28, 2013
Kelly Kohls wrote:
Hey gang, just wanted to check in and say thank you to all the Children First supporters who work tirelessly to ridicule those who disagree with us. You guys are inspirational. When I am taking heat during the board meetings it is so refreshing to think of the army of people I have pushing my agenda for me!
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little nervous about November, Malone is a powerful guy and I know we've pushed the edge a little. I know Doug will be helping me every step of the way but we've shaken the tree. I just hope we can hold on!
A few on here keep bringing up my bankruptcy...well let me tell you something. I am the victim!! I tried to pay the bills for all my things but I just couldn't. At some point I had to decide what the responsible thing to do would be, and it seemed the only option was to just walk away from it. It takes some time to build credit back, but I've already got some plastic with a good credit limit so we'll see how it works next time.
Stay the course -- remember we need to keep pushing forward on creationism, we need to make sure our schools are safe by making all teachers and staff carry a gun and/or baton, and we want all of our schools to be charter schools. Most of all, we've got to get rid of this union quickly. They're such a pain in my side and a cramp to my style. The SEA people seem to think we always have to play by the contract rules.
Keep up the good work my minions!
Semper Tea!
Kelly
This is funny, but I wonder what the penalty is for impersonating an elected official. I think she should call the prosecutor and see. Did you know the persecutor can get the IP addresses and identify these posters? Give it a week. Maybe an apology will do the trick. Fess up or get in big trouble.
Good Neighbor Policy

Cincinnati, OH

#26150 Jul 28, 2013
Stay Alert Voters... and Read the Content of the Message, instead of jumping on the bandwagon to support "Name Recognition."

If you go back a few pages on this discussion blog, you will see a post by Principal Ron's Kids who led the disrespectful interrogation of our BOE elected officials in the March 2012 Re-instate Ron Malone campaign to throw Kelly Kohls out of her rightful place of service in our school government, as a highly popular elected official.
We are reminded by Ron's Kids that they are all grown up and old enough to "Vote for Revenge" against Kelly Kohls at the polls in November. They boast that Ron Malone will win because he is "insanely popular" in the community and "name recognition" is what WINS elections.

Beware of the the "symbolism of insanely popular"
which has no more substance in "principles" than that school flag waving "Excellent with Distrinction" draped on our school buildings, with the reality of only "Proficient" keeping our children's future left behind.
Good Neighbor Policy

Cincinnati, OH

#26151 Jul 28, 2013
Heart Healthy Choice wrote:
Four More Years! Four More Year! Four More Years!
Just as the "heart healthy choice" of enough rich food is best for responsible eating; but takes a lot of "Individual Responsibility and Discipline" to control ourselves from indulging in ALL that we can AFFORD; so it is that school board representative, Kelly Kohls' fiscal responsible "spending plan" of our school tax dollars provides our school children a Quality classroom education, while living within our children's first budget guidelines, to control the addictive appetite of the Springboro Education Association, whose lust for over-indulgence in Public Schools Good Pay Increases/Good Benefits, is far more than Springboro voters working in the Private Sector can afford!
Can we AFFORD not to RE-ELECT Springboro Parent and Awesome School Board President, Dr. Kelly Kohls, to FOUR MORE YEARS OF SERVICE TO OUR CHILDREN FIRST? Sounds like the HEART HEALTHY CHOICE for the "TREASURES OF OUR HEARTS" -- OUR CHILDREN, OUR FUTURE!
Sounds Good to Me! Very Much Worth Repeating!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26152 Jul 28, 2013
imposter wrote:
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This is funny, but I wonder what the penalty is for impersonating an elected official. I think she should call the prosecutor and see. Did you know the persecutor can get the IP addresses and identify these posters? Give it a week. Maybe an apology will do the trick. Fess up or get in big trouble.
That is most certainly information that is useful, thanks for the tip.

Since: Dec 09

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#26153 Jul 28, 2013
Not A Chance wrote:
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Yes, Mr. Parise, I am saying that there's Not A Chance that OUR Springboro School Board President, Kelly Kohls, posted that "false press release". Thank You for recognizing your mistake.
With your political expertise, do you have the wherewithal to investigate this "identfy theft" of an Elected Official's name being used to spread false information to the public?
I think this matter would have to be taken up by the offended person and their legal representatives. Unless it is a serious threat, ie, threatening with bodily harm,I doubt it is even worth pursuing. All part of the political game people play.
Whatta You Think

Englewood, OH

#26154 Jul 28, 2013
If Topix were turned off for a day, what do you suppose conservative extremists would do? Go outside and enjoy the weather??

Malone / Stuckey / Babb for Boro on November 5, 2013!
partisan

Springboro, OH

#26155 Jul 28, 2013
Whatta You Think wrote:
If Topix were turned off for a day, what do you suppose conservative extremists would do? Go outside and enjoy the weather??
Malone / Stuckey / Babb for Boro on November 5, 2013!
sorry, no school levy Nazis in this camp.
Vipers and Hypocrites

Cincinnati, OH

#26156 Jul 28, 2013
The Scoffer wrote:
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Hey there Brother Ron... come on down to the Boro hypocrites prayer meeting now; You know that your place of ministry is serving as the "only worthy authority" education god, of the Springboro Schools Board of Education. Let's all pray up some false accusations against our children first; and re-instate Brother Ron as Union First President of the Springboro Board of Education.
(Do I hear applause for Ron, my brothers and sisters who are united against fiscal responsibiity in Springboro education?)
A deal is a deal....and Ron's youth union kids made a deal
with Ron that when they came of age, their vote
for revenge would throw responsible spenders of our school tax dollars right out of elected office! Question is: What say ye, Ron, when you come to full power as chief officer of the
unionism bully pulpit, which bullies will sit on your left and your right?
oops! silly me... there simply is no right side to Mr. Malone's vote for revenge against our children first. Guess that leaves Malone LEFT with the prayer response of...... NO.
Could it be that Ron's calling is to serve in volunteer service of his youth unions group through his church, instead of his disruptive service in our schools?
Calling on Brother Ron... to come home, we have a place at the table of service to our youth, and lots of collections plates to pass around to emphasis the VALUE of the education god that's done come home.
Circle of Greed

Cincinnati, OH

#26157 Jul 28, 2013
All About Money wrote:
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Education in Springboro Schools is all about money and power and who gets to control both. A school house divided cannot provide wholeness for our children's future.
We have a power struggle going on between our children first board members and Malone's union first members; The decisions made during these employment contract negotiations will support our financial victory for our children's first budget; or reverse our school district's money to the control of Malone's "business as usual" forced unionism/indoctrination for
our children's classroom education.
Did You Know that our Springboro Education Association members have joined hands, all wrapped up in themselves, presenting a very small package of non-professional educators to our children's classrooms with the very large price tag to taxpayers with the label of forced unionism: "Proud to Offer Reduced Services at an Increased Price." Where's the Value to our children's future is that?
Thinking

Cincinnati, OH

#26158 Jul 28, 2013
Whatta You Think wrote:
If Topix were turned off for a day, what do you suppose conservative extremists would do? Go outside and enjoy the weather??
Malone / Stuckey / Babb for Boro on November 5, 2013!
"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." -Edward R. Murrow

Three of those people in Springboro would be Ron Malone, Dave Stuckey and Lisa Babb.

Isn't it funny how Malone/Stuckey/Babb cannot come up with any new reasons to support the argument they've been making for years;
oh, yes! there is an excellent distinction between professional educators and union scumbags, they continue to argue, but never come up with enough evidence to "prove" it by being open to NEW ideas.
All prejudices aside, surely professional educators cannot thrive in the 21st century classroom, if they are not open to NEW ideas, even when those NEW ideas challenges their strongest beliefs.
No More Dough For Malone/Stuckey/Babb status quo deal making with the SEA taking it all.

Jeff Gillooly

Newington, CT

#26159 Jul 28, 2013
Leon Harrison likes to rub his mummy's muffin.
No Doubt

Englewood, OH

#26160 Jul 28, 2013
Thinking wrote:
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"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." -Edward R. Murrow
Three of those people in Springboro would be Ron Malone, Dave Stuckey and Lisa Babb.
Isn't it funny how Malone/Stuckey/Babb cannot come up with any new reasons to support the argument they've been making for years;
oh, yes! there is an excellent distinction between professional educators and union scumbags, they continue to argue, but never come up with enough evidence to "prove" it by being open to NEW ideas.
All prejudices aside, surely professional educators cannot thrive in the 21st century classroom, if they are not open to NEW ideas, even when those NEW ideas challenges their strongest beliefs.
No More Dough For Malone/Stuckey/Babb status quo deal making with the SEA taking it all.
No doubt you people are as amusing as you are ignorant...
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26161 Jul 29, 2013
Whatta You Think wrote:
If Topix were turned off for a day, what do you suppose conservative extremists would do? Go outside and enjoy the weather??
Malone / Stuckey / Babb for Boro on November 5, 2013!
Conservative extremists?

How about concerned with the quality of education our children receive and the taxpayers fund?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26162 Jul 29, 2013
ACT 2012 Results Springboro High School

So let us ask one more time for a response on the type of education the children are receiving and the taxpayers are funding.

The argument that children are not taking these tests seriously probably does not hold water here. This test demonstrates what our children have learned after years of absorbing only 60% of the curriculum.

ACT scores 2012
Scale.....English.......Math.. ........Reading........Science .....Scaled Score
36.......... 75.......... 60..........38-40.......... 40..........36
35........73-74........58-59.. ........37..........none...... ....35
34........71-72........56-57.. ........36..........39........ ..34
33........70..........55...... ....35..........none.......... 33
32........ 69..........54..........34.... ......38..........32
31.........68..........52-53.. ........none.........none..... .....31
30........ 67..........50-51..........33. .........37..........30
29........65-66........48-49.. ........32..........36........ ..2 9
28........64 ..........46-47..........30-31 ..........35..........28
27........62-63.........43-45. .........29..........34....... ...27
26........60-61.........41-42. ........28..........32-33..... ....26
25........57-59.........39-40. ........27..........30-31..... ....25
24........55-56.........37-38. ........26..........29........ ..24
23........53-54.........35-36. .........25..........27-28.... ....23
22........50-52.........33-34. .........24..........25-26.... ....22
21........47-49.........31-32. .........23..........23-24.... ....21
20........44-46.........30.... ......22..........21-22....... .20
19........42-43.........27-29. .........21..........18-20.... ....19
18........39-41.........27-26. .........20..........16-17.... ....18
17........37-38.........22-24. .........19..........14-15.... ....17
16........34-36.........18-21. .......17-18..........13...... ....16
15.........30-33........15-17. .......16..........12......... .15
(the numbers keep going down to zero, if you are interested see the scale at the link below)

http://www.olchs.org/assets/documents/RAW%20S ...

The numbers under the various subjects are the number of questions answered correctly for each subject

Base upon our ACT result posted on line on our transparency project at Springboro.org

For 2012 our ACT averages for each sujbect

English.....24.6 Scaled Score..... answers correct.....56/70 = 80%

Math........24.3 Scaled Score.......answers correct.....37/60 = 62%

Reading...24.5 Scaled Score.......answers correct.....26/40 = 65%

Science....23.9 Scaled Score.......answers correct.....29/40 = 73%

Composite Score 24.4 ..........answers correct.....148/210 = 70%

These are just the kids who took the ACT, this does not take into account those children who did not take the test.

Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)

According to Mr. Malone's scale

English 80% solid C

Math 62% high F

Reading 65% low D

Science 73% high D

Composite Score 70% Solid D

Below are the percentages Mr. Malone assigned to the letter grades received by students involved in the Post Secondary Education Option (PSEO) when he figured the student's Grade Point Average (GPA) and consequent class ranking.

PSEO is a program whereby students leave the high school to attend college courses at local universities. The students earn college credit for classes they take while the school district pays for the tuition if the student passes.
A child without too much effort could have a semester of college completed before they set foot on a college campus.

F.....Below 62.99% correct answers

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers

A..... 93% correct answers and above

If the scale is good enough for kids taking college courses, it's good enough for the rest of the student population as well.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26163 Jul 29, 2013
Our average score for the Ohio Achievement Assessment test in 2012

8th Grade Math - 435 children (all of the children took this test)

Possible Correct Answers 48

Average Correct Answers 27.4

Percent Correct Answers 59.6%

Median Correct Answers 27 (half the children scored above this number and half below this number)

Range Correct Answers 9-45

ACT Math 2012

Possible Correct Answers 60

Average Correct Answers 37

Percent Correct Answers 61.7%

Median Correct Answers ?(Cannot determine without associated range of scores and frequency distribution of those scores)

Range Correct Answers ?

The argument put forth on this blog is that our children do not take our tests seriously and tend to blow them off because they mean nothing to them.

This argument would not hold for the ACT tests, in that all children know the gravity and importance of this test in relation to their future.

The fact that it mimics the results of the 8th grade test is in my opinion no mere coincidence.

We can ill afford to go forward building knowledge upon incomplete foundations.

Recognizing that PROFICIENT equals FAILURE is the first step towards curing what ails us and our children.

Recognizing secondly that our children's competition is no longer located in Akron or Toledo, but rather in Hong Kong and Singapore.

Resting upon false laurels that we scored better than kids in downtown Cleveland is of scant comfort when one wanders through Walmart and notes where way too many of the products in the store are manufactured.

We live in a global economy, whether we like it or not, and must prepare our children to compete globally instead of locally.

Those, like Mr. Malone, who promote PROFICIENT as success are dooming our children to FAILURE.
tellthetruth

Cleveland, OH

#26164 Jul 29, 2013
Township hotbed for public meetings issues July 27, 2013
Clearcreek Twp. trustees are headed back to court in a lawsuit accusing them of “regularly and systematically” meeting in violation of public meetings law.
Separately, a local lawmaker is moving forward with a bill in part designed to prevent elected officials in Ohio from holding “pre-meeting meetings” like those forming the basis for the lawsuit.
At issue is when private discussions between elected officials violate Ohio open-meetings law.
Township resident Jack Chrisman’s lawyers filed the lawsuit in July 2011, claiming Trustee Ed Wade and former Trustee Dr. Gregory McDonald met with former Trustee Dennis Lamb in November 2009 and February 2010 without notifying the public.
Chrisman claimed the meetings were attempts to convince Lamb to resign before the end of his term, opening the seat for McDonald.
After Lamb retired, McDonald did not run for his seat. Trustee Jason Gabbard won the election, defeating four other candidates, including Chrisman and Russell Jones.
State Sen. Shannon Jones, a Republican who is married to Russell Jones, plans to seek a hearing with the Ohio Senate’s State Government Oversight & Reform Committee on S.B. 93, a bill calling for changes that would bar privately held, pre-arranged meetings by elected officials.
“We have to err on the side of the public’s right to know and work around those practical challenges. That’s how you preserve the public’s engagement in their government, that’s how you preserve their confidence in their government,” she said.
Last week, lawyers for the trustees and township resident Chrisman scheduled a final hearing on Dec. 20 and a two day trial on Jan. 30-Jan. 31 in Warren County Common Pleas Court to determine whether the meetings — which the trustees and administrators admit to holding — violate Ohio Sunshine Law.
The 12th District Court of Appeals ordered Judge James Flannery to hold a trial to decide whether the meetings were more than informal gatherings limited to gathering information, rather than sessions where decisions were made beyond the eyes of the public.
“Reasonable minds could differ as to whether the discussions at the pre-meeting meetings were prearranged and extended beyond information-gathering and into deliberations,” the 12th District Court of Appeals said in its decision.
The trustees and their lawyer have said they respect the need for open meetings and records. However, they say the standards set by Chrisman’s lawsuit and Jones’ bill will inhibit local officials taking care of government business.
“I think that they’re overzealous,” lawyer John Smith said, pointing to the cost of the Chrisman lawsuit in time and legal fees.“It’s done nothing but suck money, life and time out.”
The 12th District has yet to rule on a dispute over a ruling ordering Chrisman to pay more than $2,000 for bringing frivolous claims as part of the lawsuit.
Clearcreek Twp. pre-meetings
Earlier this month, during public comments at a special meeting, Gabbard indicated the trustees discussed public business privately.
Referring to Trustee Ed Wade, Gabbard said,“You and I have discussed this individually” during comments at a July 15 meeting on whether to place a fire levy on November ballots.
The trustees — and other Ohio public officials — will continue to meet privately on public business, buoyed by rulings like Flannery’s in the Chrisman case, lawyer Christopher Finney said.
“They are completely confident the judge will be consistent with his prior rulings,” said Finney — who with lawyer Curt Hartman — has brought lawsuits claiming public meeting and public records violations by local governments around Ohio.
“The courts have created this artificial differentiation between discussion and deliberation,” Finney said.
Wade and Lamb testified that the meetings fell short of deliberations. Trustee Cathy Anspach and Fiscal Officer Linda Oda have sided with Chrisman in the lawsuit.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26166 Jul 29, 2013
A couple things to remember when we analyze the ACT results is that not all children take this test. The class has been culled the high school administration by strongly suggesting to some children that the Warren County Career Center would probably be a better educational fit for the child. I was rather surprised to hear of the dumping of children out of the school. For some it may be a good move, for others, maybe they are late bloomers. Who is to tell at 14 or 15?

Definition of Raw Scores:

The ACT is scored in the same way as most tests. For every question you answer correctly you will receive 1 raw point. Then, those raw points are converted to scale the exam from 1-36 in each section.

How is the ACT scored?

Each subject area of the test-- math, reading, English, and science-- is scored on a scale between 1 and 36. The ACT is graded on a curve and each section is scaled so that the average score is approximately 21.

Math
The ACT Math section allows one minute per question; there are sixty questions and sixty minutes is the time limit. Like all other ACT sections, the Math section consists entirely of multiple-choice questions. Calculators are allowed to be used on the ACT Math section, but most problems should be solvable without a calculator. Although most calculators are permitted on the exam, some calculators are not allowed. Check with the ACT for an updated list of which calculators are acceptable for use on the exam.

The ACT Math section’s material ranges from pre-algebra to intermediate algebra, geometry, plane geometry, and even a small amount of trigonometry. The trigonometry on the ACT is not so difficult and does not make up so much of the final score, so students who have not taken classes in trigonometry can still study the basics and have no difficulty with these questions. The ACT math section is structured as follows: 40% of the ACT math section comes from pre-algebra and basic algebra questions, 30% comes from intermediate algebra and coordinate geometry, and the remaining 30% comes mainly from plane geometry (23%) and trigonometry (7%).

There are only 60 questions on the Math portion of the ACT test.

24 questions come from pre-algebra and basic algebra

18 questions come from intermediate algebra and coordinate geometry
(Coordinate geometry is plotting points on the X and Y axis)

14 questions come from plane geometry (Plane geometry is all about shapes like lines, circles and triangles on a flat piece of paper.)

4 questions on trigonometry

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