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Grapevine Schooling

Cincinnati, OH

#25968 Jul 22, 2013
sheep wrote:
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You noticed all of these problems...why didn't you do more to stop it? And funny - I thought you didn't like to deflect, demean, etc.? You preach to everyone else about that. Now, you are going after Dr. Malone because he is running for BOE. Interesting....
Now We the People Are Going After Dr. Malone because he is
not a good FIT with our school district's reform-minded, new philosophy of Children First Budgeting for our children's
educational needs in the 21st century.
Mr. Malone has publicly recognized this, but his ego just won't get out of the way and allow him to give up all this priaise and worship of the SEA maney-acts, who are trying to get control of the board's power; so that the Union controls our school tax dollars to spend the union first way.
There's just no way that Malone-Stuckey-Babb on the ballot are going to add up to yes on the school renewal levy at the polls.
Malone's Proficiency in Math scores can be over-rated inside the union tent; but not a chance in the real world of ten thousand; many who have no high regard for the leadership of our "insanely popular" educatin god of unonism.
Malone again naturally

Cleveland, OH

#25969 Jul 22, 2013
To think that only yesterday
'Boro blue & white, and "gay"
Kids not looking forward to the retirement of
Dr. Malone 'cause he was overpaid.

Melodrama 'round the town
But reality comes around
Beloved, yes, but do the students know of
Parents taxed to little pieces?

Now Malone's going to run for BOE
Oh, Heaven, help us!
If he really cares for our kids
Why won't he really retire?

In this NFSS hour of 'need'
We truly are indeed
Malone again, naturally
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25970 Jul 22, 2013
sheep wrote:
<quoted text>
You noticed all of these problems...why didn't you do more to stop it? And funny - I thought you didn't like to deflect, demean, etc.? You preach to everyone else about that. Now, you are going after Dr. Malone because he is running for BOE. Interesting....
Who else but Mr. Malone was charged with overseeing the fund raising activities in his school?

I do not see what is demeaning about the question, unless you do not expect people to do the job they are being paid to perform.

I do not recall once Mr. Malone coming out in public asking the Boosters to cooperate with the school board and release their records. Mr. Malone certainly had ample platforms and opportunities to do this service for the community. Mr. Malone chose instead to remain quietly on the sideline while his children's athletic funds were being further looted, providing Mr. Harves with valuable time to cover his tracks.

I cannot believe that Mr. Malone had never met Mr. Harves in the 12 years Mr. Malone was principal and the coinciding 12 years that Mr. Harves held the purse strings of the Booster monies. Mr. Harves was in financial charge of an organization which raised millions of dollars for Springboro athletics over Mr. Malone's tenure as principal, it is hard to imagine Mr. Harves and Mr. Malone did not speak during this 12 year period.

This is the man you wish to charge with responsibility of a $45,000,000 school district budget?
No Doubt

Cincinnati, OH

#25971 Jul 22, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
I love your source and its author, a man with an agenda of his own and a vested interest in seeing things that do not exist but support his primary occupational narrative.
Rob Boston
Rob Boston is senior policy analyst at Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Rob, who has worked at Americans United since 1987, also serves as assistant editor of AU's "Church & State" magazine. Rob is the author of three books: "Close Encounters with the Religious Right: Journeys into the Twilight Zone of Religion and Politics" (Prometheus Books, 2000); "The Most Dangerous Man in America? Pat Robertson and the Rise of the Christian Coalition" (Prometheus Books, 1996) and "Why the Religious Right Is Wrong About Separation of Church and State" (Prometheus Books, 1993; second edition, 2003).
As a man who makes his living pandering inflammatory prose to a constituency that provides the funding for his organization that provides him with his living.
People like this man conquer anything, they just keep ginning up the fear factor so the cash keeps rolling.
The disparagement of those who believe that government should be transparent, fiscally responsible, and accountable for its actions is difficult to understand. Which part of that formula do you disagree with partially or in total.
Transparency of action allowed the entire community to weigh in on whether or not we should rent our public facilities to an organization wishing to teach a class on the United States Constitution.
Transparency in government allowed the public to weigh in on whether or not we should investigate the possibility of a charter school in this district.(This was just an investigation of the idea's pros and cons mind you, the union and its supporters vehemently opposed any such search for answers)
Fiscal Responsibility means we are not slaves to wave after wave of levy campaigns demanding more money, more money, ever more money.
Fiscal Responsibility translates to we learn to live within our means rather than our wants and desires.
Accountability allows the community that pays this bill some semblance of control holding public employees and elected officials responsible for the good and the bad.
Accountability is bringing the days of "Oh well, that just the way it is" to a close, as people and officials are held responsible for their actions.
What do you find so offensive about those concepts?
No Doubt it was really wrong to judge our neighbor and Springboro parent so harshly; but it was done out of ignorance of being ill-informed by the OEA indoctrination war of words against Kelly Kohls. No Doubt "Fiscal Responsibility" means we are not slaves to wave after wave of levy campaigns demanding more money, more money, ever more money. No Doubt, BOE member Kelly Kohls, has liberated the minds of the people from the false religion of unionism indoctrination! No Doubt, as a man thinks, so he is!
We Love Thinking Freely! We Love Kelly!
No Doubt

Cincinnati, OH

#25972 Jul 22, 2013
Malone again naturally wrote:
To think that only yesterday
'Boro blue & white, and "gay"
Kids not looking forward to the retirement of
Dr. Malone 'cause he was overpaid.
Melodrama 'round the town
But reality comes around
Beloved, yes, but do the students know of
Parents taxed to little pieces?
Now Malone's going to run for BOE
Oh, Heaven, help us!
If he really cares for our kids
Why won't he really retire?
In this NFSS hour of 'need'
We truly are indeed
Malone again, naturally
No Doubt we all remember during business meeting discussion of the principal's fundraising project of school pictures; when the superintendent told the public that unless Principal Ron profited from this service to the students and their parents; that there was no motive for him to invest his time in offering this service to his students and their parents. No Doubt Dr. Malone has prescribed himself these "fund-raisings entitlements" for so long that his ego is addicted to owning false pride of "doing it all for the love of kids!" Such a hypocritical quack is Dr. Malone!
No Doubt

Cincinnati, OH

#25973 Jul 22, 2013
All About Money wrote:
<quoted text>
Education in Springboro Schools is all about money and power and who gets to control both. A school house divided cannot provide wholeness for our children's future.
We have a power struggle going on between our children first board members and Malone's union first members; The decisions made during these employment contract negotiations will support our financial victory for our children's first budget; or reverse our school district's money to the control of Malone's "business as usual" forced unionism/indoctrination for
our children's classroom education.
No Doubt all Springboro Taxpayers trusted the SEA/union activists who were rallying that all they wanted was a fair pay increase for our teachers; and if the BOE did not accept the SEA demands, then the SEA would choose to strike against taxpayers, causing chaos and disruption even more so in our strongly divided school community against the community taxpaying homeowners.
Finally, what a celebration felt among taxpayers when the BOE announced we have settled by delivering to the union what they want; but what do you think happened on that very night the great news was given, except one of the Sure Parents went right up to the TV news crew and, lo and behold, started complaining about BOE president refusing to allow her to ask questions about getting more money from the renewal levy approved!
No Doubt, we can all expect to be held captive audience, again, as these angry bird Sure parents aka Neighbors for Springboro Schools get all pre-arranged for public disruption, fighting social justice for union greed, at the next public school board meeting.
The contract is settled, but Lisa Babb is already puffed up and ready to expound hot air at the board, contesting the board's judgement of being fair to ALL, just not acceptable to unionism rules of demanding it "Unfairness" unless the Union takes it all.
sheep

Springboro, OH

#25974 Jul 22, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Who else but Mr. Malone was charged with overseeing the fund raising activities in his school?
I do not see what is demeaning about the question, unless you do not expect people to do the job they are being paid to perform.
I do not recall once Mr. Malone coming out in public asking the Boosters to cooperate with the school board and release their records. Mr. Malone certainly had ample platforms and opportunities to do this service for the community. Mr. Malone chose instead to remain quietly on the sideline while his children's athletic funds were being further looted, providing Mr. Harves with valuable time to cover his tracks.
I cannot believe that Mr. Malone had never met Mr. Harves in the 12 years Mr. Malone was principal and the coinciding 12 years that Mr. Harves held the purse strings of the Booster monies. Mr. Harves was in financial charge of an organization which raised millions of dollars for Springboro athletics over Mr. Malone's tenure as principal, it is hard to imagine Mr. Harves and Mr. Malone did not speak during this 12 year period.
This is the man you wish to charge with responsibility of a $45,000,000 school district budget?
Or do we charge with responsibility someone with a $45 million budget that can't control her personal budget and needed to file bankruptcy?

And as I see it - you chose to remain silent as well.
TV Land

Cincinnati, OH

#25975 Jul 22, 2013
All About Money wrote:
<quoted text>
Education in Springboro Schools is all about money and power and who gets to control both. A school house divided cannot provide wholeness for our children's future.
We have a power struggle going on between our children first board members and Malone's union first members; The decisions made during these employment contract negotiations will support our financial victory for our children's first budget; or reverse our school district's money to the control of Malone's "business as usual" forced unionism/indoctrination for
our children's classroom education.
Recently our family has been turning off the TV on the board meetings. Although it would be interesting to be informed about school business, and how our taxes are spent, we've noticed that more time is spent allowing the citizens to talk about how they want the money spent; but mostly how much they don't want Mrs. Kohls to have any say in money matters or leadership of our school district; although she was elected by all the voters, we noticed that some parents have consistently claimed that they will take back "their board" and that "their community" agrees that Mrs. Kohls should not be allowed to serve in this elected position.
It is understood that Mrs. Kohls is a parent, too, but these few parents keep bullying her to get her politics of fiscal responsibility out of "their" school.
We have seen these brutal verbal attacks launched against board member Mrs. Kohls by Springboro parents, demanding that she show respect for our teachers and give them more money, because these professional educators are entitled to more, not because they have earned more, only because they teach in Springboro and Springboro homeowners are wealthy enough to "pay" more. We have seen these parents "taunt" Mrs. Kohls by ridiculing, "where are the parents who support you?" (Obviously, the majority of parents have no complaints; so why should we all run to board meetings to argue our rights to be represented by Mrs. Kohls). We can clearly see that these parents, who cause such ugliness against Mrs. Kohls, are only "playing to TV news cameras" and stroking their own egos of false massive bully power.
We have seen enough the past few months to know that we will definitely vote no to school levy in the fall. It's impossible to know all the facts that have caused parents (in the name of caring about their kids education) to bully another parent such as we have seen Mrs. Kohls bullied; but there has been no professional "Efforts" made by any of the Springboro educators to tone down this cruel and uncivil "tongue lashing" that a few parents pre-arrange to launch on Mrs. Kohls at every meeting. Renewal levy vote is coming up soon, and the time is now for our professional educators to call off these "school yard bullies" and union bullies; and let's see some of that talk about "caring about ALL our kids and ALL our parents" put into action. Sometimes it's hard to see the forest for the trees; and it's hard to watch bully Springboro parents beat down another Springboro parent in the name of "demanding respect." We are plowing through that contract posted on the website, but we aren't seeing a whole lot of stuff "for the kids best interest." There seems to be rules and rules granting the Union more power over the school district leaders and the elected officials who represent the Taxpayers. And stealing lots of classroom time away from the students to give the union more time to hold their meetings, including indoctrination meetings of new-hires and building principals and staff. All in All, it looks like the union got Two more years of More Entitlement Pay and less time "invested" in our children's classroom instruction.
Why should taxpayers vote for renewal of status quo?
Brain Drain Alert

Cincinnati, OH

#25976 Jul 22, 2013
sheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Or do we charge with responsibility someone with a $45 million budget that can't control her personal budget and needed to file bankruptcy?
And as I see it - you chose to remain silent as well.
lol ... you wooly bullies are going to bully that renewal levy money right out of your professionl educators greedy little fist that you keep shaking at the taxpayers "hand that feeds you."

How Proficient in Maloney Math are you? Can you figure out how many professional educators will be granted their right to work someplace else, when this renewal levy fails?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25977 Jul 22, 2013
sheep wrote:
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Or do we charge with responsibility someone with a $45 million budget that can't control her personal budget and needed to file bankruptcy?
And as I see it - you chose to remain silent as well.
Once again you would be as incorrect as incorrect can be.

While I railed to anyone who would listen, and quite a few who would not, I did not possess the access to the necessary records. Yet I kept looking into the program and listening to what others told me, providing another link in the chain each day. The people I spoke to in areas of control, whether in the district treasurer's office, the athletic office, or to the school principals were forever providing vague answers to questions. At all times they were attempting to dissuade me from seeking anything further.

Until a reform minded board was elected the looting continued at full pace. Once the Budget and Finance Committee began looking in earnest at the pay to participate scam the ball of lies, obfuscation, and deceit began to unravel.

What none of the school administrators wish to see unraveled was the scam that was foisted on everyone as a mechanism to game a levy vote, no one had any desire to upset the new levy free cash flow system. When further study by the Budget and Finance Committee revealed a lack of support for the numbers the Athletic Director put together originally, the jig was up.

Mr. Malone had the authority, the access to records, and the moral responsibility to the children, the parents, and the taxpayers of this community to have preempted this entire affair years ago.

Mr. Malone chose instead to let those grabbing for whatever monies they could to continue ravaging our collective pocketbooks with his tacit approval and without his interference.

Did Mr. Malone step forward as a leader should and use his considerable esteem and influence to encourage those involved in athletics to do the right thing for the children?

Had Mr. Malone used his influence, authority, access, and experience to intercede on the children's behalf this entire affair would have had a different ending.

How different would our athletic program look had an extra $1,000,000 plus dollars not been diverted from our sporting venues and young athletes?

Your choice is a false one, as is your standard.

Ms Kohls predicament came with calamity known as the Great Recession and the plummeting of home values. Ms. Kohls supported the actions of the Budget and Finance Committee where the plundering was at last unmasked in a transparent fashion.

Mr. Malone's predicament is due to his, and solely his choices, in matters of school finance and benign neglect of the duties charged to him by school policies to oversee the organizations that purported to act in the best interest of our children.

While Ms. Kohls personal collapse cost a bank about $500,000 in lost value, she wasn't the first, nor the last to experience the ravages of a collapsing housing market. The banks also are culpable for loaning more than properties were worth in those times.

Mr. Malone's willful disregard for his oversight duties cost our children, our parents, and the taxpayers well over $1,000,000 in funds that were meant for the betterment of our children.

Whose errors in judgement effected more people in a negative fashion?

Ron Malone's

The $1,000,000 plus dollars of lost revenue takes into account that the prosecutor could not legally prove anything larger than $439,455 because checks that Mr. Harves wrote to himself only went back seven years, the amount of time federal regs require holding. And do you really think he just started doing this only seven years ago? If anyone believes that Mr. Harves would not lower himself to delve into the brown paper bags of uncounted cash on his kitchen table each week, I have some beach front property near Omaha for sale.

Some people are queasy about asking these questions, I am not.
Be a Man

Cleveland, OH

#25978 Jul 22, 2013
Funny, Mr. Wiedeman, as I know you do not have the BALLS to say anything this to Dr. Malone's face. Be a man and a father, and do what is right by your kids and allow them to have the BEST education that they deserve as what you are doing is limiting them and other children in this district! You do NOT speak for my children nor other children in the District.
Sod Off!
You have a 'hard on' for Dr. Malone and why???
Because he is a man and you a mouse?!
Just stop with your lies! Grow up and just stop your garbage!
We are tired of your tirades! You regurgitate the same stuff over and over - get new materail!
You don't like the way things are going, then pull your kids out of the district and go elsewhere as we would be happy to see you leave!
Get a bloody life!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25979 Jul 22, 2013
Be a Man wrote:
Funny, Mr. Wiedeman, as I know you do not have the BALLS to say anything this to Dr. Malone's face. Be a man and a father, and do what is right by your kids and allow them to have the BEST education that they deserve as what you are doing is limiting them and other children in this district! You do NOT speak for my children nor other children in the District.
Sod Off!
You have a 'hard on' for Dr. Malone and why???
Because he is a man and you a mouse?!
Just stop with your lies! Grow up and just stop your garbage!
We are tired of your tirades! You regurgitate the same stuff over and over - get new materail!
You don't like the way things are going, then pull your kids out of the district and go elsewhere as we would be happy to see you leave!
Get a bloody life!
I do not choose to speak for anyone but myself, it is that freedom of speech thing. You are perfectly welcome to cast an alternative argument if you happen to disagree with mine.

And on the contrary I am attempting to pull the curtain back from the Wizard's machine that produces loud noises, belches smoke, and other forms of distraction from the truth of our schools.

PROFICIENT equals FAILURE

Convince us all that it does not.

As of yet you have only done what the union does yet provided no demonstrations that

PROFICIENT means anything other than FAILURE

Let me repeat these test scores one more time and you can explain to us all how the euphemisms the state uses to describe our children's mastery of subjects is spot on.

Let us start with a class entering 3rd grade and follow their progress through 5th grade.

3rd Grade 2009-2010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 3rd grade
.
Limited.......... 14 Students
Limited.......... 39% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -24 correct answers =(0-46% correct)
.
Basic..........46 Students
Basic ..........55% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--25 - 32 correct answers =(48-62% correct)
.
Proficient........158 Students
Proficient........72% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -33-41 correct answers =(63-79% correct)
.
Accelerated.....124 Students
Accelerated.....84% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--42 -45 correct answers =(81-87% correct)
.
Advanced........124 Students
Advanced........93% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--46 -52 correct answers =(88-100% correct)

.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......59 Students
Percentage of Students.....13% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......83 Students
Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........127 Students
Percentage of Students.....27% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........149 Students
Percentage of Students.....32% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....46 Students
Percentage of Students....10% receiving A

142 children out of 464 failing math in 3rd grade 2009-2010
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25980 Jul 22, 2013
4th Grade 2010-2011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 4th grade
.
Limited.......... 8 Students
Limited.......... 25% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -16 correct answers =(0-31% correct)
.
Basic..........32 Students
Basic ..........57% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--17 - 24 correct answers =(33-46% correct)
.
Proficient........108 Students
Proficient........60% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -25-36 correct answers =(48-69% correct)
.
Accelerated.....104 Students
Accelerated.....76% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--37 -42 correct answers =(63-81% correct)
.
Advanced........176 Students
Advanced........83% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--43 -52 correct answers =(83-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......104 Students
Percentage of Students.....24% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......76 Students
Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........93 Students
Percentage of Students.....22% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........98 Students
Percentage of Students.....23% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....57 Students
Percentage of Students....13% receiving A

180 children out of 428 failing math in the 4th grade 2010-2011
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25981 Jul 22, 2013
5th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 5th grade
.
Limited.......... 20 Students
Limited.......... 25% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -17 correct answers =(0-33% correct)
.
Basic..........35 Students
Basic ..........40% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--18 - 23 correct answers =(34-44% correct)
.
Proficient........107 Students
Proficient........54% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -24-32 correct answers =(46-62% correct)
.
Accelerated.....76 Students
Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--33 -37 correct answers =(63-71% correct)
.
Advanced........213 Students
Advanced........82% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--38 -52 correct answers =(73-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......162 Students
Percentage of Students.....36% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......95 Students
Percentage of Students.....21% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........90 Students
Percentage of Students.....20% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........77 Students
Percentage of Students.....17% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....27 Students
Percentage of Students....6% receiving A

257 children out of 451 failing math in 5th grade 2011-2012
Tee Hee Hee

Cincinnati, OH

#25982 Jul 22, 2013
Be a Man wrote:
Funny, Mr. Wiedeman, as I know you do not have the BALLS to say anything this to Dr. Malone's face. Be a man and a father, and do what is right by your kids and allow them to have the BEST education that they deserve as what you are doing is limiting them and other children in this district! You do NOT speak for my children nor other children in the District.
Sod Off!
You have a 'hard on' for Dr. Malone and why???
Because he is a man and you a mouse?!
Just stop with your lies! Grow up and just stop your garbage!
We are tired of your tirades! You regurgitate the same stuff over and over - get new materail!
You don't like the way things are going, then pull your kids out of the district and go elsewhere as we would be happy to see you leave!
Get a bloody life!
tee hee hee, You Can't Handle The Truth... be a man?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25983 Jul 22, 2013
Are we seeing a pattern here?

Same kids, different year.

2009-2010 142 out of 464 failing math PROFICIENT = 63%-79% correct

2010-2011 180 out of 428 failing math PROFICIENT = 48%- 69% correct

2011-2012 257 out of 451 failing math PROFICIENT = 46%- 62% correct

The bar slides progressively lower for a definition of PROFICIENT and we have more children sliding with it downward toward FAILURE.

In the 8th grade after six years of this testing we find that 80% of the class has failed the Ohio Achievement Assessment test.

2011-12 347 our of 438 failing math PROFICIENT = 32%- 58% correct

PROFICIENT equates to FAILURE

8th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 8th grade
.
Limited.......... 3 Students
Limited.......... 20% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
.
Basic..........25 Students
Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11- 15 correct answers =(22-30% correct)
.
Proficient........174 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -16-29 correct answers =(32-58% correct)
.
Accelerated.....159 Students
Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--30 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........77 Students
Advanced........85% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students
Percentage of Students.....55% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......108 Students
Percentage of Students.....25% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........49 Students
Percentage of Students.....11% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........36 Students
Percentage of Students.....8% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....6 Students
Percentage of Students.....1% receiving A

347 children out of 438 failing math in the 8th grade 2012
Stand Up For Kids

Cincinnati, OH

#25984 Jul 22, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not choose to speak for anyone but myself, it is that freedom of speech thing. You are perfectly welcome to cast an alternative argument if you happen to disagree with mine.
And on the contrary I am attempting to pull the curtain back from the Wizard's machine that produces loud noises, belches smoke, and other forms of distraction from the truth of our schools.
PROFICIENT equals FAILURE
Convince us all that it does not.
As of yet you have only done what the union does yet provided no demonstrations that
PROFICIENT means anything other than FAILURE
Let me repeat these test scores one more time and you can explain to us all how the euphemisms the state uses to describe our children's mastery of subjects is spot on.
Let us start with a class entering 3rd grade and follow their progress through 5th grade.
3rd Grade 2009-2010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 3rd grade
.
Limited.......... 14 Students
Limited.......... 39% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -24 correct answers =(0-46% correct)
.
Basic..........46 Students
Basic ..........55% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--25 - 32 correct answers =(48-62% correct)
.
Proficient........158 Students
Proficient........72% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -33-41 correct answers =(63-79% correct)
.
Accelerated.....124 Students
Accelerated.....84% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--42 -45 correct answers =(81-87% correct)
.
Advanced........124 Students
Advanced........93% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--46 -52 correct answers =(88-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......59 Students
Percentage of Students.....13% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......83 Students
Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........127 Students
Percentage of Students.....27% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........149 Students
Percentage of Students.....32% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....46 Students
Percentage of Students....10% receiving A
142 children out of 464 failing math in 3rd grade 2009-2010
No More Dough For Maloney Status Quo!
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25985 Jul 22, 2013
Be a Man wrote:
Funny, Mr. Wiedeman, as I know you do not have the BALLS to say anything this to Dr. Malone's face. Be a man and a father, and do what is right by your kids and allow them to have the BEST education that they deserve as what you are doing is limiting them and other children in this district! You do NOT speak for my children nor other children in the District.
Sod Off!
You have a 'hard on' for Dr. Malone and why???
Because he is a man and you a mouse?!
Just stop with your lies! Grow up and just stop your garbage!
We are tired of your tirades! You regurgitate the same stuff over and over - get new materail!
You don't like the way things are going, then pull your kids out of the district and go elsewhere as we would be happy to see you leave!
Get a bloody life!
Who basks in the glory of PROFICIENT?

Mr. Malone

Who pays the price for a system that foists phony achievement on students?

The kids.

My staying or leaving the district would not change one single bit of this data, the children would still be paying the price for the folly of the self esteem movement and those who promote its being.

I seek a real education for all of the children in this district filled with actual knowledge, not a phony one filled with empty euphemisms.

I believe we can do better and must resolutely face that fact.

Our children and the taxpayers who fund this program deserve as much.

Since: Jul 13

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#25986 Jul 22, 2013
Be a Man wrote:
Funny, Mr. Wiedeman, as I know you do not have the BALLS to say anything this to Dr. Malone's face. Be a man and a father, and do what is right by your kids and allow them to have the BEST education that they deserve as what you are doing is limiting them and other children in this district! You do NOT speak for my children nor other children in the District.
Sod Off!
You have a 'hard on' for Dr. Malone and why???
Because he is a man and you a mouse?!
Just stop with your lies! Grow up and just stop your garbage!
We are tired of your tirades! You regurgitate the same stuff over and over - get new materail!
You don't like the way things are going, then pull your kids out of the district and go elsewhere as we would be happy to see you leave!
Get a bloody life!
He could pull his kids out, but that doesn't help him regarding taxes he pays to fund the schools. Stop drinking the koolaid of a small minority of noisy parents in Springboro who seem to think the answer to every perceived problem is throwing money at it. We heard this same nonsense when levy after levy was up and failed yet all the predicted calamity that was prodded out by the noisy minority never materialized. Why should I believe a word they say? They have been wrong at every turn. The board has not. They have a record. The numbers speak for themselves - from deficit to surplus. And people are complaining?!?!?!

Sorry, but Doug has simply pointed out some painful truths that you refuse to believe. Do your own research if you think Doug is a liar. Don't rely on a noisy minority contingent of parents to base anything on.
No Doubt

Englewood, OH

#25987 Jul 22, 2013
Kelly Kohls - please heed the advise below!
Uno Voter wrote:
Please step down from your bully pulpit! You are embarrassing our entire community with your mean-spirited grandstanding in front of the TV news cameras.
Also, please have your desk cleaned out no later than November 5th.

Respectfully,
The Springboro Community

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