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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25805 Jul 17, 2013
Nothing too dramatic, why don't we start by teaching the kids what are in those text books.

I bet just about all of the answers for those assessment tests are in those books.
Picture It

Cincinnati, OH

#25806 Jul 17, 2013
Thanks Doug wrote:
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Doug, I hope you are happy. Now that you have completely smeared the education that is received at Springboro those on this site believe that the renewal levy is not needed and the students will be better served without the money.
Maybe if when you are smearing the Springboro education system you could at least include the rest of the state and identify the state's failed students. By comparison we are not that bad, furthermore, for what we are getting, we are paying far less for it. But then you would only want people to believe that Springboro is the only community with this problem - shame on you.
Maybe a reminder that a failed renewal levy would hurt every single child in the district (going against everything the BOE stands for) and would cause the school to be taken over by the state. Do you think that the state can do better? Does anyone on this site truly believe that the district can be sustained without the renewal levy? Ask any member of the BOE - they all believe a renewal is necessary!
Did You Know? They all believed "That pursuant to the provisions of Section 5705.194 of the Ohio Revised Code, it is necessary that a renewal tax be lievied i n excess of the ten-mill limitation for the benefit of this school district, for the purpose of avoiding an operating deficit in the amount of $7,916,500 per year for a five year (5) period, which is a reduction of $1,353,800 from the existing emergencvy tax levy." (Business Session Item 2.2 on July 15 special meeting agenda printed on BOE website).

Did You Know that the Babb/Bowman Sure opposition was unhappy because they wanted "all theirs" and all of the $9.2 million
in Additional levy approved!

The BOE voted unanimously for the affordable tax reduction for taxpayers! Picture Lisa Babb as elected board representative voting it ALL for the SEA; not because the SEA has earned
it; but because the SEA feels entitled to more than they need of the money that taxpayers have earned for themselves. Why is that?
Picture It

Cincinnati, OH

#25807 Jul 17, 2013
Thanks Doug wrote:
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What are you suggesting?(A bulleted list would be preferred).
Just Can't Picture Doug "biting that bullet."
No More Tax

Dayton, OH

#25808 Jul 17, 2013
Why no discussion today about the new contract that the union members approved in one vote and the BOE approved 5-0? Why no talk about the tax roll back.

While its not "perfect" for either side the agreement is good enough to satisfy both sides. Democracy at work. Something some community members tired so hard to destroy.

This is a very successfull BOE in my opinion! Amazing job.
leverage

Cleveland, OH

#25809 Jul 17, 2013
TV Land wrote:
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My name isn't Doug. But I am Happy! And smart enough to know that the the STATE taking over Springboro schools could never be as harmful to our children's future as this hostile Springboro Education Association take-over that we now see happening.
Whether or not the renewal levy passes, it is just "kicking the can" down the road for two more years; and then we are right back with the threat of teachers strike, again, if we don't pass a new levy to increase teachers pay. No matter who wins, our children lose with this failed State plan of blackmailing for dollars, holding our parents hostage for increased pay for teachers.
The overwhelming majority of parents that are most vocal at board meetings seem to be in full support of the teachers. Yet all around town, up and down virtually every neighborhood the greed of the SEA and poor attitudes of certain Springboro teachers is openly criticized by parent after parent. Why this variance in opinion? Why aren't more of these parents coming to board meetings to constructively vent their frustrations? Could it be that the teachers through the leveraging of the SEA have in fact intimidated much of this district into remaining silent?

To put all of this in real-life terminology...If keeping their mouths shut by not attending board meetings meant their kids would get one higher letter grade per test, get onto the varsity squad, or land an important lead role in the school play, a very high percentage of Springboro parents would be more than happy to keep their mouths shut.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25810 Jul 17, 2013
Picture It wrote:
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Just Can't Picture Doug "biting that bullet."
Bullet Point Number One

1) Actually teach the children the material that we find in the textbooks the taxpayers so generously fund.

If we are able to complete that task, the tests will take care of themselves.
Yay For Teachers

Englewood, OH

#25811 Jul 17, 2013
I'm glad the teachers and the SEA stood strong in the face of our bully BOE and the majority of the narrow minded, anti-tax freaks on this forum. It's about time our teachers got the raises they've deserved for years. Now time to boot Kelly Kohls out this November!! Maybe drive her someplace where she and her friends can wave their confederate flags while we sit back and enjoy the show...
Textbooks

Dayton, OH

#25812 Jul 17, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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Bullet Point Number One
1) Actually teach the children the material that we find in the textbooks the taxpayers so generously fund.
If we are able to complete that task, the tests will take care of themselves.
My kids carried home their math books, SS books, and science books all the time and had them open to do homework or studying. How are your kids learning?
Big Loud And Rich

Cincinnati, OH

#25813 Jul 17, 2013
Yay For Teachers wrote:
I'm glad the teachers and the SEA stood strong in the face of our bully BOE and the majority of the narrow minded, anti-tax freaks on this forum. It's about time our teachers got the raises they've deserved for years. Now time to boot Kelly Kohls out this November!! Maybe drive her someplace where she and her friends can wave their confederate flags while we sit back and enjoy the show...
Don't you know that no matter how much you rich people get, you will never enjoy your wealth; because you will always feel victimized that you don't have more of what belongs to your neighbors; but blessed are the poor, just filthy rich in gratitude and thanksgiving! But woe are the big loud and rich people; always demanding more, more, more! Shall we show our support and pity for you ....with a ribbon on our door?
TV Land

Cincinnati, OH

#25814 Jul 17, 2013
Yay For Teachers wrote:
I'm glad the teachers and the SEA stood strong in the face of our bully BOE and the majority of the narrow minded, anti-tax freaks on this forum. It's about time our teachers got the raises they've deserved for years. Now time to boot Kelly Kohls out this November!! Maybe drive her someplace where she and her friends can wave their confederate flags while we sit back and enjoy the show...
Too bad for the Springboro Education Association that their negotiating tactics played out so negatively in front of the TV news cameras. Their bad behavior expressing such greed, with absolutely no thanks nor gratitude for the good wages and benefits that they already possess, certainly gives pause to one's response on whether or not to "pay up" at the polls with this renewal levy vote in November. Why in the world would Springboro citizens for responsible spending even consider rewarding the Springboro Education Association for such inappropriate behavior? Our school children deserve better role models. Our community has already paid enough and what have we received in return? Why should taxpayers reward such poor performance of educators with more money? They will only come back for more in two years, with the same old emotionally blackmail with the same old threats of striking against Springboro homeowners for more money. There is no end to the union bridge leading nowhere; just an endless waste of taxpayers dollars. No need to waste more in November on renewal levy. The more money we send to the union masters, the more fighting amongst themselves for more.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25815 Jul 17, 2013
Textbooks wrote:
<quoted text>
My kids carried home their math books, SS books, and science books all the time and had them open to do homework or studying. How are your kids learning?
That is great, if they mastered all of the material in the books then they would have been in the 20% that was able to pass the math portion of the Ohio Achievement Assessment tests in the Junior High.

As for the other 80% who were unable to pass the test, maybe we could work Bullet Point #1 on them.
Oh Yeah

Cincinnati, OH

#25816 Jul 17, 2013
Big Loud And Rich wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you know that no matter how much you rich people get, you will never enjoy your wealth; because you will always feel victimized that you don't have more of what belongs to your neighbors; but blessed are the poor, just filthy rich in gratitude and thanksgiving! But woe are the big loud and rich people; always demanding more, more, more! Shall we show our support and pity for you ....with a ribbon on our door?
You betcha that ribbon is a just reward for the performances of our Springboro Education Association teachers! Let's Make That a Blue Ribbon for Excellence; but Not a Penny More in November Renewal Levy! Why Should Springboro Taxpayers Not Turn The Tables on SEA "YEA Teachers" ..... and do as we have been taught by the educators... and DEMAND that we get to keep it all in November!
Why not say NO to status quo?
really now

Dayton, OH

#25817 Jul 17, 2013
No to (let me count the ways)...Babb, Jobe, Malone, Johantges and any other levy loving Nazi.
In the News

Cincinnati, OH

#25818 Jul 17, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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And speaking of who "had something to do with it", I have often wondered how someone could become that embolden to steal that much cash from children?
The prosecutor in the stated that Mr. Harves acted alone in this endeavor, but who created the environment for him to act this way?
Who failed in their duty to protect the children, the parents who did the work, and the donors who gave the cash?
Which individuals were aware of all the goings on within their schools and purview?
Which individuals were charged by the nature of their jobs with the budgets and finances of these support groups?
Which of these individuals who attended many a casino night or Friday night football game did not notice that the take from these events seemed light year after year after year?
Which principals were involved in the collection of concession stand monies in uncounted brown paper bags stuffed full of cash?
Who submitted Mr. Harves name for membership in the Athletic Hall of Fame 6 months before it all came crashing down on him?
Which Athletic Director put together the original numbers for the pay to participate program demonstrating the supposed shortfalls in funding?
Who hired the Athletic Director that fielded all questions on athletic funding?(The women in the district accounting offices said they were told to refer all questions regarding athletic funding to the Athletic Director)
Who decided that it was best to put the athletic accounting outside the the control of the district accounting offices?
When brought to the Athletic Director's attention that the Boosters had not filed a tax return since 2005, why would the Athletic Director explain it away as "because they did not rise to the $25,000 fund raising threshold required for reporting"?
How is it possible that the Athletic Director and those to whom he reported did not know this was a prevarication?(The very concession stand "donations" the Athletic Director recorded in his booster spreadsheet clearly demonstrated more than $25,000 in fund raising.)
Was the Athletic Director's direct superior at the high school?
Who has control over the athletic budgets and finances at the high school?
Why did no one at the Booster board level never ask for an accounting of the group?
Was the problem a tacit coziness between all parties concerned with the flow of money and accountability?(you don't look in my books too closely and I won't look in yours)
To myself this appears to be a massive failure of leadership at the district level, the high school level, and the booster level. People in whom we put our trust let us down completely.
It remains indicative of the problems that result when we spend other people's money rather than our own.
In the Star Press news article -Springboro Booster embezzler-sentenced- Warren County Prosecutor David Fornshell reminded non-profit organizations of the need to employ a system of checks and balances to make sure that no one person is in charge of cash receipts, bank accounts, and other financial responsibilities.
Fornshell, along with the Warren County Police Chiefs Association, recently sponsored a seminar to train volunteer leaders of youth, church, charitable, and other non-profit organizations as to how to avoid similar thefts from occurring in their organizations.

If the Athletic Boosters Board is operating as a non-profit organizaton, but declare that they are independent of the school board's authority, but they use school resources and students of the school to profit from, then where can accountability begin, and to whom? How can a system like the Boosters, with various branches of independent groups operating voluntarily, know how to keep their "checks and balances" from running into greedy disaster?
Yes Really

Cincinnati, OH

#25819 Jul 17, 2013
really now wrote:
No to (let me count the ways)...Babb, Jobe, Malone, Johantges and any other levy loving Nazi.
What's up with all the name calling? Are you really trying to compete with the nastiness of the Springboro Education Assoication teachers/union activists who lower themselves to the depts of their war of words indecency? Why not give it up? Do you really think it gets any lower than the SEA maney-acts?
The Next Day

Cincinnati, OH

#25820 Jul 17, 2013
From where I sit, I think the BOE majority (Kohls, Petroni, Rigano) agreed to accept the mediator's contract recommendation for two reasons:
1.) Give the raises in return for the Union dropping the negotiation violation charges, and
2.) Try and minimize the negative publicity around Kelly Kohl's and her reelection bid.

If this had gone on further, especially if it resulted in a strike, Petroni and Rigano would be almost assured of becoming a 2 person minority on the BOE. Now with the strike avoided, they hope to avoid that additional negative publicity. Trying to cut their losses. Still plenty of fodder for the other side with the circus they started around the Constitution and other subjects, the human resources court case facing them, etc.

In my opinion, the BOE majority's support of the new contract is all about trying to cut their losses and protect at least one BOE seat in the upcoming election.

Additionally, I think they should have kept the levy at the previous $9.2M level. This would allowed for the reinstatement of some services/classes previously cut, make some progress vs. growing class sizes and provide some risk management if the state funding and other anticipated new revenue sources don't pan out. Reducing the levy amount was another political move, not good fiscal management. Penny wise, pound foolish.
Reality Bytes

Cincinnati, OH

#25822 Jul 17, 2013
The 15% or so of reduced levy was because of the 12.5% tax increase to property owners included in the State Budget, on all new and renewal local levies that pass on the November ballot. So the taxpayer really got only about 2.5% reduction while the state got the rest. Taxpayers never get a break, only enslavement to the union man’s rights of collective bargaining laws that are 100% wrong for our children’s future.
No doubt

Englewood, OH

#25823 Jul 18, 2013
The Next Day wrote:
From where I sit, I think the BOE majority (Kohls, Petroni, Rigano) agreed to accept the mediator's contract recommendation for two reasons:
1.) Give the raises in return for the Union dropping the negotiation violation charges, and
2.) Try and minimize the negative publicity around Kelly Kohl's and her reelection bid.
If this had gone on further, especially if it resulted in a strike, Petroni and Rigano would be almost assured of becoming a 2 person minority on the BOE. Now with the strike avoided, they hope to avoid that additional negative publicity. Trying to cut their losses. Still plenty of fodder for the other side with the circus they started around the Constitution and other subjects, the human resources court case facing them, etc.
In my opinion, the BOE majority's support of the new contract is all about trying to cut their losses and protect at least one BOE seat in the upcoming election.
Additionally, I think they should have kept the levy at the previous $9.2M level. This would allowed for the reinstatement of some services/classes previously cut, make some progress vs. growing class sizes and provide some risk management if the state funding and other anticipated new revenue sources don't pan out. Reducing the levy amount was another political move, not good fiscal management. Penny wise, pound foolish.
There is no doubt that there is some truth in this statement. The board had to realize that being in the evening news every single night is not good for the community or for the children.

The one thing that I do find amusing is the thought that all the parents, teachers, citizens, firemen, police officers, city workers, etc. will somehow forget what an idiot Kelly Kohls is. In Novemeber, we will remember, and no matter how Kelly tries to smooth things over she is done for. Her bags should be packed, her political career of extremism and attacking those who work for a living and actually pay their bills will be over in a few short months.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25824 Jul 18, 2013
No doubt wrote:
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There is no doubt that there is some truth in this statement. The board had to realize that being in the evening news every single night is not good for the community or for the children.
The one thing that I do find amusing is the thought that all the parents, teachers, citizens, firemen, police officers, city workers, etc. will somehow forget what an idiot Kelly Kohls is. In Novemeber, we will remember, and no matter how Kelly tries to smooth things over she is done for. Her bags should be packed, her political career of extremism and attacking those who work for a living and actually pay their bills will be over in a few short months.
That is a bit harsh and a little overstated, wouldn't you say.

Manufactured crisis after manufactured crisis, along with some self induced pain on Ms. Kohls part produced your blog.

Too many good things have transpired during Ms. Kohls term of office to let them go unsung.

Balanced Budgets

No New Money Levies were run.

Full bussing restored to all schools.

A technology plan that was conceived and instituted that actually works.

Reduction of the pay to play scam from $475 per child to $265 with the option to drop it further to $165 if they took advantage of Mr. Rigano's service program

Booster Scandal uncovered thanks in part to Ms. Kohls support on the board.

$2.5 million dollars allocated and earmarked for textbook updates at the discretion of Ms. Strittenberger

Bus replacement program put in place to address aging and increasingly unsafe and neglected bus fleet. With support from Ms. Kohls, Mr. Petroni put together a program that provides a financially sound method of acquiring the necessary transportation for our children, not just this year, but into the future as well.

Two new contracts with our support staff and our teachers, all received raises for this year and next.
All while maintaining fiscal spending which projects NO new money levies for the next 4 years and keeps us within our financial means.

No teachers lost their jobs through Reductions in Force, in fact the BOE increased the number of teachers working in our district.

To put this in perspective, our loyal opposition projected catastrophic consequences if we did not pass one of the five failed $35,000,000 -$45,000,000 levies from 2008-2010.

All of the above was accomplished by a BOE that stayed the course in the face of hardened opposition from the union and its supporters who managed to throw roadblock or obstruction at every turn.

This is not the end but merely the beginning of a system that works in a transparent fashion in a fiscally responsible way for the well being and edification of our children.

Not a bad record if you look at things objectively.
Twp resident

Cleveland, OH

#25825 Jul 18, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
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All of the above was accomplished by a BOE that stayed the course in the face of hardened opposition from the union and its supporters who managed to throw roadblock or obstruction at every turn.
This is not the end but merely the beginning of a system that works in a transparent fashion in a fiscally responsible way for the well being and edification of our children.

Not a bad record if you look at things objectively.
The only thing SEA supporters seem to want to "look at objectively" are ways to creatively waste ever increasing amounts of the taxpayer's hard-earned green salad of salvation.

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