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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25705 Jul 12, 2013
Beimly Teresa Teacher - 3rd $64,028 in 2008 $68,680 in 2012
Bell Nancy Teacher - Intervention $43,809 in 2008 $54,091 in 2012
Bellar Leslie Teacher - PE/Health $40,329 in 2008 $51839 in 2012
Benedict Sarah Teacher - Music $43,809 in 2008 $49,744 in 2012
Benjamin Thomas Teacher - Social Studies $63,769 in 2008 $66,235 in 2012
Bennett Christine Teacher -2nd $39,482 in 2008 $49,744 in 2012

Salaries increased
Beimly 6.7%
Bell 19%
Bellar 21.8%
Benedict 12%
Benjamin 3.7%
Bennet 20.6%

These numbers are readily available on the Transparency project for all to see.

These names were in alphabetical order by the way they were listed on the spreadsheets.

No raises the last five years is a bit of a stretch. Those who took advantage of the educational attainment steps and invested in themselves will see a healthy return on their investments over the course of a career.

To claim the parsimonious BOE is not being "fair" is a bit of a stretch for anyone who has looked at the numbers.

In times where most saw property values sink, many saw wages stagnate or ebb away, our staff was enjoying the vehicles provided by their profession to enhance their earnings.

Nothing wrong with that and I would encourage the future investments in themselves, but you could at least be more forthcoming about your situation.
Better Yet

Yellow Springs, OH

#25706 Jul 12, 2013
Stand Up For Kids wrote:
Springboro - We have found that one common sense citizen needed to join our elected reform minded board representatives, doing what's right for our schools and commnity!
Mr. Wiedeman, will you please consider serving your community as a candidate running for November 2013 election, as our next school board representative?
Mr. Wiedeman go get your teaching license and put into practice what you preach. There are several vacancies in Springboro.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25707 Jul 12, 2013
Jenkins Lura Teacher - 3rd $61,955 in 2008 $66,238 in 2012
Johanson Debbie Teacher - Intervention $47,698 in 2008 $56,028 in 2012
Johnson Jennifer Guidance Counselor $50,961 in 2008 $72,720 in 2012
Jordan Stephanie Teacher - English $47,438 in 2008 $54,126 in 2012
Jung Sarah Teacher - 6th $58,325 in 2008 $62574 in 2012

Increase in Income 2008-2012
Jenkins 6.5%
Johanson 14.9%
Johnson 30%
Jordan 12.6%
Jung 6.7%

String of names selected at random from the salary schedules posted online on the Springboro Transparency Project.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25708 Jul 12, 2013
Prater Jeremy Teacher - 3rd $39,489 in 2008 $47,301 in 2012
Pritchard Amy Teacher - 4th $34,217 in 2008 $36567 in 2012
Profitt Kelley Teacher - 4th $68,435 in 2008 $71,039 in 2012
Puckett Julia Teacher - Lang.Arts $61,955 in 2008 $67,200 in 2012
Rabe Rebecca Teacher - 3rd $57,548 in 2008 $63010 in 2012

Increase in Income 2008-2012
Prater 16.6%
Pritchard 6.4%
Profitt 3.6%
Puckett 7.8%
Rabe 8.7%

String of names selected at random from the salary schedules posted online on the Springboro Transparency Project.
I will cross the line

West Jefferson, OH

#25709 Jul 12, 2013
As an over educated resident, with two masters degrees, I will take leave from my "real job" where I work year round to cross the Union Picket Line and keep the schools open.

Who else will do the same?
grateful

Cleveland, OH

#25710 Jul 12, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Prater Jeremy Teacher - 3rd $39,489 in 2008 $47,301 in 2012
Pritchard Amy Teacher - 4th $34,217 in 2008 $36567 in 2012
Profitt Kelley Teacher - 4th $68,435 in 2008 $71,039 in 2012
Puckett Julia Teacher - Lang.Arts $61,955 in 2008 $67,200 in 2012
Rabe Rebecca Teacher - 3rd $57,548 in 2008 $63010 in 2012
Increase in Income 2008-2012
Prater 16.6%
Pritchard 6.4%
Profitt 3.6%
Puckett 7.8%
Rabe 8.7%
String of names selected at random from the salary schedules posted online on the Springboro Transparency Project.
Wow this is so amazing! Mr. Wiedemann thank you very much for bringing all of this to light. In the past my kids have come home from school with stories of teachers who go out of their way to impress upon them that their budgets at home are stretched to the limit. Obviously, such "personal budget issues" would never come to be if many of our teachers with their spouses hadn't OVEREXTENDED THEIR CREDIT!

Case in point - One of my children's past teachers that has voiced financial complaints to them lives in a very nice home in Cypress Ridge. If this teacher has a financial problem, it most definately isn't for lack of income. The problem for this teacher is that their family's eyes are perpetually much too big for their checkbook.
Really

Cincinnati, OH

#25711 Jul 12, 2013
I will cross the line wrote:
As an over educated resident, with two masters degrees, I will take leave from my "real job" where I work year round to cross the Union Picket Line and keep the schools open.
Who else will do the same?
Is the SEA Really going to strike, finally!
TiredBoroParent

Ft Mitchell, KY

#25712 Jul 12, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Prater Jeremy Teacher - 3rd $39,489 in 2008 $47,301 in 2012
Pritchard Amy Teacher - 4th $34,217 in 2008 $36567 in 2012
Profitt Kelley Teacher - 4th $68,435 in 2008 $71,039 in 2012
Puckett Julia Teacher - Lang.Arts $61,955 in 2008 $67,200 in 2012
Rabe Rebecca Teacher - 3rd $57,548 in 2008 $63010 in 2012
Increase in Income 2008-2012
Prater 16.6%
Pritchard 6.4%
Profitt 3.6%
Puckett 7.8%
Rabe 8.7%
String of names selected at random from the salary schedules posted online on the Springboro Transparency Project.
Based on my calculations, for every teacher who was personally called out and made an example of on Wiede's posts, who invested their own time and money to further their education and gain additional accreditations, made an average of $1600 more per year over the 4 - 5 year timeframe. I'm fairly certain (no, make that 100% positive) this number would decrease significantly if we averaged in all of the teachers who did not or who were not able to participate in this program. Not everyone received raises and not everyone has the time or resources for advanced education. If that was the case, we'd all be running around with doctorates. Wiedeman's point is one sided (as usual) and blown out of proportion (as usual)....
Sick and Tired of SEA

Cincinnati, OH

#25713 Jul 12, 2013
TiredBoroParent wrote:
<quoted text>
Based on my calculations, for every teacher who was personally called out and made an example of on Wiede's posts, who invested their own time and money to further their education and gain additional accreditations, made an average of $1600 more per year over the 4 - 5 year timeframe. I'm fairly certain (no, make that 100% positive) this number would decrease significantly if we averaged in all of the teachers who did not or who were not able to participate in this program. Not everyone received raises and not everyone has the time or resources for advanced education. If that was the case, we'd all be running around with doctorates. Wiedeman's point is one sided (as usual) and blown out of proportion (as usual)....
boo-hoo, boo-hoo, I'm just a victim of forced unionism, enslaved in Springboro schools "sweatshop" hardly working for my money with lost belief and pride...no raise, no respect, just 100% dependent on others to carry my heavy load in the boro...
TiredBoroParent

Ft Mitchell, KY

#25714 Jul 12, 2013
Sick and Tired of SEA wrote:
<quoted text>
boo-hoo, boo-hoo, I'm just a victim of forced unionism, enslaved in Springboro schools "sweatshop" hardly working for my money with lost belief and pride...no raise, no respect, just 100% dependent on others to carry my heavy load in the boro...
Dear knucklehead... I'm not a teacher, but rather a long time taxpayer with multiple kids in the Springboro school system. Guessing you're another GED-less bagger bigot with no kids? Thought so...
U R running out of cash

Springfield, OH

#25715 Jul 13, 2013
TiredBoroParent wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm fairly certain (no, make that 100% positive) this number would decrease significantly if we averaged in all of the teachers who did not or who were not able to participate in this program. Not everyone received raises and not everyone has the time or resources for advanced education.
You have the same ability as others to look up teacher salaries. Others have posted many examples of teachers receiving raises. Since you are a 100% sure you can find ones that didn't, please post the information here.
Poundsand

Yellow Springs, OH

#25716 Jul 13, 2013
grateful wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow this is so amazing! Mr. Wiedemann thank you very much for bringing all of this to light.

Obviously, such "personal budget issues" would never come to be if many of our teachers with their spouses hadn't OVEREXTENDED THEIR CREDIT!
Case in point - One of my children's past teachers that has voiced financial complaints to them lives in a very nice home in Cypress Ridge. If this teacher has a financial problem, it most definately isn't for lack of income. The problem for this teacher is that their family's eyes are perpetually much too big for their checkbook.
I thought we were through talking about Kelly K. "personal budget issues" and how she and her family's eyes were perpetually much too big for their checkbook?
New Resident

Cleveland, OH

#25717 Jul 13, 2013
TiredBoroParent wrote:
<quoted text>
Based on my calculations, for every teacher who was personally called out and made an example of on Wiede's posts, who invested their own time and money to further their education and gain additional accreditations, made an average of $1600 more per year over the 4 - 5 year timeframe. I'm fairly certain (no, make that 100% positive) this number would decrease significantly if we averaged in all of the teachers who did not or who were not able to participate in this program. Not everyone received raises and not everyone has the time or resources for advanced education. If that was the case, we'd all be running around with doctorates. Wiedeman's point is one sided (as usual) and blown out of proportion (as usual)....
I looked it up, Mr. Wiedeman's numbers examples were just alphabetical groups that had been here five years. I also looked a few others and it doesn't take long to see most had raises throughout that period. What is wrong with investing in yourself in the short term to gain in the long term? I see people doing it everyday with no guarantee that someone will pay them more for their newly acquired knowledge. This is in contrast to your guaranteed payday upon completion of your step, quit your crying.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25718 Jul 13, 2013
U R running out of cash wrote:
<quoted text>
You have the same ability as others to look up teacher salaries. Others have posted many examples of teachers receiving raises. Since you are a 100% sure you can find ones that didn't, please post the information here.
There are examples of teachers who have received no raises, but they are the exception rather than the rule. Some were already at the top of the salary scale. Others chose, on their own volition, not to pursue any more education and thus lost out on the one self directed vehicle they had for increasing wages.

The teachers who pursued educational attainment steps vigorously saw substantial increases and returns on their investments.

The point remains that vehicles for self improvement both professionally and financially were in place for all teachers. Those teachers who chose to take advantage of them were rewarded, those who did not were not.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25719 Jul 13, 2013
Stuckey David Teacher - Social Studies $71,780 in 2008 $72,497 in 2012
Stumpfl Amy Guidance Counselor $60,140 in 2008 $64,261 in 2012
Swanson Jeremy Teacher - Math $39,489 in 2008 $49,744 in 2012
Swope Todd Teacher - PE/Health $73,965 in 2008 $78,719 in 2012
Termuhlen Douglas Teacher - PE/Health $64,115in 2008 $66,501 in 2012

Increase in Income 2008-2012
Stuckey 1%
Stumpf 6.5%
Swanson 20.7%
Swope 6%
Termuhlen 3.6%

String of names selected at random from the salary schedules posted online on the Springboro Transparency Project.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25720 Jul 13, 2013
Winter Sheryl Teacher - Social Studies $49,252 in 2008 in $55242 in 2012
Wise Michael Teacher - Science $57,548 in 2008 $59,780.in 2012
Wolfe Dennise Teacher - Spec.Ed/L $66,991 in 2008 $72,696 in 2012
Wray Molly Teacher - Health $70,336 in 2008 $72,959 in 2012
Wylie Christina Teacher - Vocal Music $68,435 in 2008 $71039 in 2012

Increase in Income 2008-2012
Winter 10.9%
Wise 3.8%
Wolfe 7.9%
Wray 3.6%
Wylie 3.7%

String of names selected at random from the salary schedules posted online on the Springboro Transparency Project.
Stephanie Bindemann

Englewood, OH

#25721 Jul 13, 2013
Sorry, I did stay for the whole board meeting. Nice try though!
The Scoffer wrote:
<quoted text>
I find it ironic that one union-activist Springboro parent paid tribute to the words of a great African leader who is now dying, but walked out on the words of a great American school board leader and Springboro parent living right here in our community.
This same union-activist Springboro parent said that if outsiders came into Springboro to work that she would keep her children home from school. Isn't that unionism discrimination against freedom in the American workplace of public education?
Tell It Like It Is

Cincinnati, OH

#25722 Jul 13, 2013
I am Boro proud to say I am not at all worried about the direction in which our "fiscal responsibility" measures, which were put in place by our children's first budget, and unanimously voted on by our Board of Education members, is taking our children's 21st century education!
Now I am a bit worried about our school superinteindent's memory loss, because for S-U-R-E what a diference a year makes!
Last year, June 2012, Mr. Petrey stated in a DDN report to Jill Kelley: "Where the board's at right now is wanting the highest academic achievement and fiscal responsibility," Petrey said,
"that's what I stand for."
Wow! What a flip-flop in direction for Mr. Petrey, within just one year of emotional blackmailing for dollars indoctrination by our Springboro Education Associaiton officers, Scott Maney and Sarah Thornbury! Now it appears that our June 2012 fiscal-responsible reform minded Mr. Petrey has fallen victim to the Maney-Acts gospel of Tax and Spend unionism.
The July 11, 2013, Springboro Sun states:
As for the district's teachers, they have not received a base increase in salary in five years, according to Petrey. Springboro teacher's have the lowest starting salary in Warren County, he said. People should ask if that is what they want for their school district, he said.
As a taxpaying voter in this school district, I say:
Shame On Todd Petrey! I would remind Mr. Petrey that he is the highest paid school administrator that Springboro taxpayers have ever employed.(and some reports that I have found state the average salary for superintendents is $123,000 and Mr. Petrey breaks the backs of Springboro taxpayers by demanding $130,000!)
Mr. Petrey has forgotten that Springboro Taxpayers have asked ourselves Five Times during the past Five Years if we want to increase our property taxes to pay for the SEA teachers demands
for increased salaries and compensation/benefits packages;
and FIVE times voters have said NO.
Petrey said he is constantly being asked whether the district should ask for less millage on the upcoming $9.2 million renewal lelvy since there is more state money and whether the teachers should receive a raise.
"We need to ask for the same millage,"
Petrey said. He called the money from the state "long
overdue."
My question to Mr. Petrey is "What part of NO to unreasonable raises for union school employees, does our proud school superintendent, who believes in teachers, not understand?
Of course the school district should lower the millage on the
$9.2 million renewal levy because the state has increased the cost of new and renewal levies to property owners at 12.5%; So why should local homeowners have to pick up the cost? Shouldn't the local governments CUT their costs,instead of adding increased costs to local homeowners?
Wooly Bullies

Cincinnati, OH

#25723 Jul 13, 2013
LOL in Boro wrote:
LOL..... Boro Alumni
back in the day..... public schools kept their noses out of their students sex life and just left that up to the home and church! Now Taxpayers are expected to foot the bill for public school teachers to "show and tell" all about it!
Sad to say some public teachers have been known to "home school!"
Why should teachers be expected to educate YOUR child on sex education? Isn't that YOUR job?
During this Dance of Negotiations between the BOE - SEA legal powers that be, Springboro citizens have been subjected to a continuous stream of pre-arranged participants in public meetings,
many of these parents who are demanding that our community wide school tax dollars be used to craft an "educational cult" that
conforms only to the rules and regulations of the false relgion of our State mandated collective bargaining laws.
These rules and regulations of the educational cult of unionism include secret meetings of worship and praise, with only "union ordained" legal advisors permitted to participate as they proudly "dance" their beliefs that union teachers should be exalted above all others; and if any others have more than union teachers; then collection plates must be passed at the polls, continuously till union teachers have more than their fair
share of all homeowners' first fruits of our labor!
This educational cult of public schools not only demands that teachers be inducted into the union; but that unionism is indoctrinated in our children's minds to offer praise and worship of the education gods. Our children are taught to be afraid and suspicious of teachers and their neighbors from the "outside" who may have a global view of world-wide opinions of differing family values, religion and politics.
Right now our school tax dollars are being wasted by this educational cult of unionism leaders who are paid to "lawyer" around their legal book of rules and regulations, till they find a gotcha clause to file a continuous stream of law suits against our school board of elected officials... and the dance of emotional blackmailing for dollars continue, until the sacrificial lambs
are s-u-r-e-d.
Pitcure It

Cincinnati, OH

#25724 Jul 13, 2013
Sometimes one picture speaks louder than a thousand words, based on first hand experiences, such as the re-instate Ron Malone praise-a-thon conducting throughout our schools and churches last March 2012. You will remember all the SEA/union activists and the Youth Unionism group dressed in black to show Unity and Love, that left
Mr. Malone "overwhelmed" as he stated his gratitude to the children in the newspapers.

An example of this forced unionism praise of the false education god who has been a high school principal is being displayed on our school website, celebrating the biblical concept of showing kindness to one another. You will notice the students dressed in black along with the exalted education god. Our school superintendent has often sung the praises of the wonderful expertise of our experienced education god, stating his value is greater than three of the lesser gods from
the outside.

Ron Malone (who is now successfully, but unhappily retired from "school chief" education god), readily admits in the Springboro Life magazine
that "I've always felt that the key to a person'a effectiveness is how they fit within an organizational philosophy. This changes over time. I'm not sure the fit is as good now as when I came to Springboro in 2000. My strengths and the board's expectations of my position do not match as well as I would like."

Although Mr. Malone recognizes that his "expertise of 2000" does not fit with the philosophical changes necessary for our children's 21st century education, he still mourns lost status of being overwhelmingly loved during the past 13 years as
principal of SHS; and because the community is very supportive, he covets "continuing to work in education." We'll see what happens.

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