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SOS to SEA

Piqua, OH

#25591 Jul 8, 2013
Remember Us wrote:
Remember how the 3 of you that post over and over under a multitude of names? Guess what? We are the young people you made fun of as being children for supporting Dr. Malone. Well hmmm,we are all grown up now and eligible to vote. Here we come, Kelly. All those months ago...who is laughing now?
A mind is a terrible thing to waste!

And so are our hard earned school tax dollars!

Hey Mr. Maney, a deal is a deal. Mr. Malone worked out his last year of contract breaking the backs of Springboro taxpayers and the Springboro Education Association contract expired June 30!
Isn't it about time for the union to pull out of Springboro Schools; it appears that Ron's kids have already suffered "brain drain" so what does Springboro have to fear?
Dollars and Sense

Piqua, OH

#25592 Jul 8, 2013
The Springboro Board of Education President makes SENSE to me,
as stated in the Springboro Sun on July 4th.

"We have now completed an evaluation of the financial impact of the current SEA proposal. It exceeds the school district's available funds by more than $2 million in years one and two," Kohls said, "In the spirit of transparency, we want to update the public on the BOE and SEA proposed agreements."

The parties remain divided on these key issues:
The board is offering step raises of 4.75 - 5.75 percent per year depending upon level of education when compared to the existing salary schedule. Those not eligible for a step raise would receive a $1,000 annual stipend. The SEA is countering with continued step raises and an additional 2.7 percent raise in base salary in the first year and an additional 1.7 percent in the second year.

The district is offering to pay 80 percent of health, dental and vision insurance premiums, SEA is countering with a continuation of 85 percent paid by the district. Employees now pay $170 per month for family plan coverage. Under the BOE proposal, monthly premiums will increase $57 per month so that employees would now pay $227 per month for the family plan.

The board proposals include a merit/performance-based pay system commencing no later than Feb. 1, 2015.

The proposals presented by the board and SEA agree to maintain the original contract language, thus leaving compensation and healthcare benefits as the remaining issues to resolve.

We have listened to our community. We are committed to providing a quality education, being fiscally prudent and being as fair to our employees as is possible in these difficult economic times,” Kohls said.“The board is also driven by a ‘Children First’ budget
That takes into account all aspects of our children’s education.”

Kohls also announced last week that a tentative agreement between the board and the Springboro Classified Employees Association,(SCEA), the union representing bus drivers, cafeteria workers and other non-teaching staff, is supported by the board,
According to board president, Kelly Kohls.

We are pleased with this tentative agreement,” said Kohls.“We will have an agreement that is a part of our plan to remain sustainable into the future.” She continued,“The SCEA and the BOE agreed to an increase in compensation and changes to the health
Insurance package which the district can accommodate.”

Highlights of the agreement include:
-Step Raises for three years
-$1000 annual stipend for three years;
-Employees will pay 20 percent for healthcare insurance, the district will pay 80 percent of the premium;
-Contract period will be four years

“I am very happy to make this announcement today. Our hope is that we can have similar news about our teacher union negotiations in the near future,” said Kohls.“We promised our community we would approve only agreements that were economically sustainable. We certainly have as far as our classified workers are concerned. This will be our ongoing goal as our negotiation team continues its work.”
doubtit

Girard, OH

#25593 Jul 8, 2013
Good Neighor Policy wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for your encouraging words.
As I have occasion to attend meetings at school,
several others have taken their time to say to me what you just said.
for all good neighbors to come to the aid of our children first.
With all due respect hurley...no one talks to you at school meetings. We run from you and your crazy talk!
TrueBlue

Englewood, OH

#25594 Jul 8, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
<quoted text>
You never know who may show up on your local ballot, perhaps a "genius" or two.
Probably not a dumba** like Wheiteman though, with all his skeletons in the closet...
TrueBlue

Englewood, OH

#25595 Jul 8, 2013
a bird in the hand wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not write in the name Bernie Becker? If nothing else our former perv fire chief could serve as an excellent target for miscellaneous flying tomatoes during board meetings!
No one would take that clown seriously...heard he's off to another city where the young boys aren't already keen to his antics..
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25596 Jul 9, 2013
Remember Us wrote:
Remember how the 3 of you that post over and over under a multitude of names? Guess what? We are the young people you made fun of as being children for supporting Dr. Malone. Well hmmm,we are all grown up now and eligible to vote. Here we come, Kelly. All those months ago...who is laughing now?
You would be delusional to believe that only three adults have opinions that vary 180 degrees from your own.

Perhaps someday, when you grow up and have some experience in life, you will realize that charlatans exist to take advantage of the least experienced and least educated in life.

It will come as a bit of a shock when that revelation sinks in and rocks your core value system, but it is a shock that will pay dividends in the future as you become more acutely aware of the reality in which you live.

And remember all of those kids in your class that were strongly advised they would be better served educationally at the Warren County Career Center, they and their parents may not share the same love and adulation for the man who discarded their children's education in pursuit of euphemisms.

They were not the first ones sacrificed for the greater glory of Excellent with Distinction, this has been going on for quite some time.

How do you think those people feel?

As warm and fuzzy as yourself?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25597 Jul 9, 2013
TrueBlue wrote:
<quoted text>
Probably not a dumba** like Wheiteman though, with all his skeletons in the closet...
Be careful what you wish for, it may come true.

Vote for Doug Wiedeman, the union's choice.
True Blue

Piqua, OH

#25598 Jul 9, 2013
Picture It wrote:
<quoted text>
till then.....Heard Ron's kids rumbling recently that Sheri and Ron are "tanning themselves" at the beach, warming up in July
to get really burned in November.
...and all god's panthers said amen. Don't forget that basement prayer rally, but remember, it will take more than a miracle in November to saddle up Ron's "false OEA teachings" on the backs of Springboro taxpayers, leaving our children's future left behind with our "has been a principal" and his 40 years of expertise as a professional educator.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25599 Jul 9, 2013
doubtit wrote:
<quoted text>
With all due respect hurley...no one talks to you at school meetings. We run from you and your crazy talk!
You must not be listening very carefully, Ms Hurley generally makes a good deal of common sense.

I do, however, understand why that must frighten you so.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25600 Jul 9, 2013
In our rush to be "FAIR" with the teachers pay, perhaps we should look at the job being performed first.

Our children have seen a gradual climb in the number of students consigned to the D and F range of the OAA math test.

This is the same class of children progressing from 6th grade math in 2009-2010 through 8th grade math in 2011-2012.

6th grade D and F students (09-10)... 302 students

7th grade D and F students (10-11)... 318 students

8th grade D and F students (11-12)... 347 students

Are these the results we expect from our vaunted school system when we are asked to fund the school system?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25601 Jul 9, 2013
6th Grade 2009-2010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 6th grade
.
Limited.......... 12 Students
Limited.......... 18% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -12 correct answers =(0-18% correct)
.
Basic..........13 Students
Basic ..........31% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--13- 19 correct answers =(26-38% correct)
.
Proficient........96 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -20-27 correct answers =(40-54% correct)
.
Accelerated.....104 Students
Accelerated.....62% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--28 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........176 Students
Advanced........80% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)

.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......209 Students
Percentage of Students.....49% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......93 Students
Percentage of Students.....22% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........73 Students
Percentage of Students.....17% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........42 Students
Percentage of Students.....10% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....9 Students
Percentage of Students......2% receiving A
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25602 Jul 9, 2013
What did the children learn in grades 1-6 in Springboro?

Only 21% scored better than 75% on the 7th grade OAA Math test.

21%

7th Grade 2010-2011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 7th grade
.
Limited.......... 8 Students
Limited.......... 17% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -9 correct answers =(0-18% correct)
.
Basic..........35 Students
Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--10- 16 correct answers =(20-32% correct)
.
Proficient........161 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -17-29 correct answers =(34-58% correct)
.
Accelerated.....95 Students
Accelerated.....65% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--30 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........104 Students
Advanced........81% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)

.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students
Percentage of Students.....59% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......79 Students
Percentage of Students.....20% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........60 Students
Percentage of Students.....15% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........25 Students
Percentage of Students.....6% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....2 Students
Percentage of Students......0% receiving A
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25603 Jul 9, 2013
Let the readers decide if such "achievement" is really excellent with distinction.
.
.

8th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 8th grade
.
Limited.......... 3 Students
Limited.......... 20% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
.
Basic..........25 Students
Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11- 15 correct answers =(22-30% correct)
.
Proficient........174 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -16-29 correct answers =(32-58% correct)
.
Accelerated.....159 Students
Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--30 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........77 Students
Advanced........85% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)

.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students
Percentage of Students.....55% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......108 Students
Percentage of Students.....25% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........49 Students
Percentage of Students.....11% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........36 Students
Percentage of Students.....8% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....6 Students
Percentage of Students.....1% receiving A
.
.
.
Is this the level of achievement to which we wish to aspire in Springboro?
.
Is this the best we are capable of given our resources?
.
Should we continue to allow the schools and the state to hide behind euphemisms rather than actual achievement?
.
Demand better, our children and taxpayers deserve a real return on our investment in our schools.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25604 Jul 9, 2013
Indeed, what is "FAIR" for our children?

Ask Mrs. Greenburg if these results are fair for our children?(80% D or F in math)

Ask Mrs. Bindeman if these results are fair for the future of all of our children?
(She may be a simple kind of girl, but she probably understands simple math.)

Ask Mrs. Johnson if these are the results are derived by the phony creationism issue?
(Diversion from real issues to phony issues. Who pays the price? Our children.)

Ask Larry Budd why he never reports on such mundane issues in the DDN?
(I did and he responded, "they don't sell papers".)
sheep

Springboro, OH

#25605 Jul 9, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
Indeed, what is "FAIR" for our children?
Ask Mrs. Greenburg if these results are fair for our children?(80% D or F in math)
Ask Mrs. Bindeman if these results are fair for the future of all of our children?
(She may be a simple kind of girl, but she probably understands simple math.)
Ask Mrs. Johnson if these are the results are derived by the phony creationism issue?
(Diversion from real issues to phony issues. Who pays the price? Our children.)
Ask Larry Budd why he never reports on such mundane issues in the DDN?
(I did and he responded, "they don't sell papers".)
Let's see....who created the "diversion" issues of creationism and inviting the religious and racist groups that wanted to "teach" the Constitution? It certainly wasn't the ladies you mentioned above. They and many, many others were simply reacting to the "diversion" that was started and perpetuated by the BOE majority.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25606 Jul 9, 2013
sheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see....who created the "diversion" issues of creationism and inviting the religious and racist groups that wanted to "teach" the Constitution? It certainly wasn't the ladies you mentioned above. They and many, many others were simply reacting to the "diversion" that was started and perpetuated by the BOE majority.
Try reacting to the false education our children are receiving.

I am yet to see that response.

How do you explain the fact that our children are receiving less than what the taxpayers are funding?

2000 plus kids in this district are not getting the education for which the taxpayers of this community have provided funding?

Your response is telling in that it never seems to quite address that salient point. Instead it demands more money for the union that is failing our children.

Who pays the price for this type of behavior, the children who depend on us.
Dollar and Sense

Piqua, OH

#25607 Jul 9, 2013
Budget first education wrote:
<quoted text>
Just curious, how is the OEA standing in the way of negotiations? And your suggestion that we should visit the website for current negotiation information is a little disappointing since it hasn't been updated for two months. Do you know more about the negotiations?
The Springboro Board of Education President makes SENSE to me,
as stated in the Springboro Sun on July 4th.

"We have now completed an evaluation of the financial impact of the current SEA proposal. It exceeds the school district's available funds by more than $2 million in years one and two," Kohls said, "In the spirit of transparency, we want to update the public on the BOE and SEA proposed agreements."

The parties remain divided on these key issues:
The board is offering step raises of 4.75 - 5.75 percent per year depending upon level of education when compared to the existing salary schedule. Those not eligible for a step raise would receive a $1,000 annual stipend. The SEA is countering with continued step raises and an additional 2.7 percent raise in base salary in the first year and an additional 1.7 percent in the second year.

The district is offering to pay 80 percent of health, dental and vision insurance premiums, SEA is countering with a continuation of 85 percent paid by the district. Employees now pay $170 per month for family plan coverage. Under the BOE proposal, monthly premiums will increase $57 per month so that employees would now pay $227 per month for the family plan.

The board proposals include a merit/performance-based pay system commencing no later than Feb. 1, 2015.

The proposals presented by the board and SEA agree to maintain the original contract language, thus leaving compensation and healthcare benefits as the remaining issues to resolve.

We have listened to our community. We are committed to providing a quality education, being fiscally prudent and being as fair to our employees as is possible in these difficult economic times,” Kohls said.“The board is also driven by a ‘Children First’ budget
That takes into account all aspects of our children’s education.”

Kohls also announced last week that a tentative agreement between the board and the Springboro Classified Employees Association,(SCEA), the union representing bus drivers, cafeteria workers and other non-teaching staff, is supported by the board,
According to board president, Kelly Kohls.

We are pleased with this tentative agreement,” said Kohls.“We will have an agreement that is a part of our plan to remain sustainable into the future.” She continued,“The SCEA and the BOE agreed to an increase in compensation and changes to the health
Insurance package which the district can accommodate.”

Highlights of the agreement include:
-Step Raises for three years
-$1000 annual stipend for three years;
-Employees will pay 20 percent for healthcare insurance, the district will pay 80 percent of the premium;
-Contract period will be four years

“I am very happy to make this announcement today. Our hope is that we can have similar news about our teacher union negotiations in the near future,” said Kohls.“We promised our community we would approve only agreements that were economically sustainable. We certainly have as far as our classified workers are concerned. This will be our ongoing goal as our negotiation team continues its work.”

TV Land

Piqua, OH

#25608 Jul 9, 2013
sheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see....who created the "diversion" issues of creationism and inviting the religious and racist groups that wanted to "teach" the Constitution? It certainly wasn't the ladies you mentioned above. They and many, many others were simply reacting to the "diversion" that was started and perpetuated by the BOE majority.
Beyond the SEA fake crisis of "diversion" issues, let's get back to the real MOTIVE of everything union-minded...

In his Notes on the State of Virginia (1785) Thomas Jefferson also wrote extensively on oppression, liberty, revolution and the necessary limits of government: The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

As a taxpaying citizen in our local school district, I clearly can see that the legitimate powers of Ohio's old outdated 1983 government collective bargaining "rights" are oppressive to we the people, and injurious by picking my pocket and costing me an "arm and a leg" in property taxes just to live in my own home!

Now I really don't care if god gets a nod from the social studies department of Springboro High School; neither do I give a hoot that our high school students testify God has no place in this country. Does that threaten God's truth or my personal beliefs?
Not a chance! I do strongly care the school district's use of my heard earned money paid in school taxes; and strongly agree that false union gods of knowledge, with a one sided view that union gods are the sole authority of education;
have NO place in our Springboro Schools classroom.
Springboro, we can afford to hire better teachers for our children's classroom education, if we release the SEA to find workplace freedom some place else.
sheep

Springboro, OH

#25609 Jul 9, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
<quoted text>
Try reacting to the false education our children are receiving.
I am yet to see that response.
How do you explain the fact that our children are receiving less than what the taxpayers are funding?
2000 plus kids in this district are not getting the education for which the taxpayers of this community have provided funding?
Your response is telling in that it never seems to quite address that salient point. Instead it demands more money for the union that is failing our children.
Who pays the price for this type of behavior, the children who depend on us.
And your posting of the same information over and over and over again without one suggestion of a solution never seems to address your salient point. Be a part of the solution, not the problem. Who suffers when no one such as yourself offers any solutions to perceived problems? The children suffer.
lol

Piqua, OH

#25610 Jul 9, 2013
sheep wrote:
<quoted text>
And your posting of the same information over and over and over again without one suggestion of a solution never seems to address your salient point. Be a part of the solution, not the problem. Who suffers when no one such as yourself offers any solutions to perceived problems? The children suffer.
lol.. give it a rest wooly bully! Only the SEA/union activists in Springboro schools are suffering, and only only from self-impoised greed, hostility, resentment and jealousy of Springboro's success!
Put a little love in your heart! Life is good!

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