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Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25578 Jul 7, 2013
really now wrote:
with all the geniuses posting forever here, it's amazing it's the same few that run for office...what a friggin joke most of you are...all mouth, no action... frauds I believe is the most accurate description of most of you..
You never know who may show up on your local ballot, perhaps a "genius" or two.
The Scoffer

Cincinnati, OH

#25579 Jul 7, 2013
Hold On wrote:
<quoted text>
I could have written this post myself. Well said!
-Someone who has lived on Boro nearly 40 years.
Hey there Brother Ron... come on down to the Boro hypocrites prayer meeting now; You know that your place of ministry is serving as the "only worthy authority" education god, of the Springboro Schools Board of Education. Let's all pray up some false accusations against our children first; and re-instate Brother Ron as Union First President of the Springboro Board of Education.
(Do I hear applause for Ron, my brothers and sisters who are united against fiscal responsibiity in Springboro education?)
A deal is a deal....and Ron's youth union kids made a deal
with Ron that when they came of age, their vote
for revenge would throw responsible spenders of our school tax dollars right out of elected office! Question is: What say ye, Ron, when you come to full power as chief officer of the
unionism bully pulpit, which bullies will sit on your left and your right?
oops! silly me... there simply is no right side to Mr. Malone's vote for revenge against our children first. Guess that leaves Malone LEFT with the prayer response of...... NO.
Could it be that Ron's calling is to serve in volunteer service of his youth unions group through his church, instead of his disruptive service in our schools?
Con is union position

Cleveland, OH

#25580 Jul 8, 2013
pro v con at bottom wrote:
(e) The Superintendent shall consider such factors as the professional background of the applicants, their seniority in the District (See Article XII, Section 12.01, Seniority Definition), their work performance and their experience elsewhere. The filling of each position shall be governed by the principle of selecting the best person for the position, as determined solely by the Superintendent.
(f) Except for an open position filed by involuntary transfer, applicants for other vacant positions will be considered in the following order:
(1) applicants seeking reassignment;
(2) displaced employees seeking voluntary transfer;
(3) employees seeking voluntary transfer; then
(4) others seeking employment with the District.
(g) For purposes of this section, the following definitions shall be:
(1) Reassignment: A change of subject or grade level assignment within the building.
(2) Transfer: A change of subject or grade level assignment from one building to another.
(3) Displaced Employee: An employee who is not assigned to the same teaching position and who is without an assignment.
CON
The board proposed removing seniority as a consideration for filling vacant positions in the district. This means that teachers who have faithfully served the district for years could be bypassed for cheaper, less qualified teachers.
Seniority should not be the only consideration, but experience is important to any job. Apparently the board sees educating our children as somehow different – a unique job where experience in the field, relationships with the community, and accumulated tribal knowledge are all meaningless.
PRO
Could also mean that more qualified and more talented individuals could rise to the top. Time in rank is not a good indicator of whether or not a person is qualified for a certain position. There is something to be said for experience, the only qualifier is whether or not said experience was good or bad.
What is wrong with picking the best candidate? How does that provide a disservice to our children?
Con is the union position

Pro is in the best interest of the children

Which makes more sense to you?
Dollars and Sense

Cincinnati, OH

#25581 Jul 8, 2013
Con is union position wrote:
<quoted text>
Con is the union position
Pro is in the best interest of the children
Which makes more sense to you?
The Springboro Board of Education President makes SENSE to me,
as stated in the Springboro Sun on July 4th.

"We have now completed an evaluation of the financial impact of the current SEA proposal. It exceeds the school district's available funds by more than $2 million in years one and two," Kohls said, "In the spirit of transparency, we want to update the public on the BOE and SEA proposed agreements."

The parties remain divided on these key issues:
The board is offering step raises of 4.75 - 5.75 percent per year depending upon level of education when compared to the existing salary schedule. Those not eligible for a step raise would receive a $1,000 annual stipend. The SEA is countering with continued step raises and an additional 2.7 percent raise in base salary in the first year and an additional 1.7 percent in the second year.

The district is offering to pay 80 percent of health, dental and vision insurance premiums, SEA is countering with a continuation of 85 percent paid by the district. Employees now pay $170 per month for family plan coverage. Under the BOE proposal, monthly premiums will increase $57 per month so that employees would now pay $227 per month for the family plan.

The board proposals include a merit/performance-based pay system commencing no later than Feb. 1, 2015.

The proposals presented by the board and SEA agree to maintain the original contract language, thus leaving compensation and healthcare benefits as the remaining issues to resolve.

We have listened to our community. We are committed to providing a quality education, being fiscally prudent and being as fair to our employees as is possible in these difficult economic times,” Kohls said.“The board is also driven by a ‘Children First’ budget
That takes into account all aspects of our children’s education.”

Kohls also announced last week that a tentative agreement between the board and the Springboro Classified Employees Association,(SCEA), the union representing bus drivers, cafeteria workers and other non-teaching staff, is supported by the board,
According to board president, Kelly Kohls.

We are pleased with this tentative agreement,” said Kohls.“We will have an agreement that is a part of our plan to remain sustainable into the future.” She continued,“The SCEA and the BOE agreed to an increase in compensation and changes to the health
Insurance package which the district can accommodate.”

Highlights of the agreement include:
-Step Raises for three years
-$1000 annual stipend for three years;
-Employees will pay 20 percent for healthcare insurance, the district will pay 80 percent of the premium;
-Contract period will be four years

“I am very happy to make this announcement today. Our hope is that we can have similar news about our teacher union negotiations in the near future,” said Kohls.“We promised our community we would approve only agreements that were economically sustainable. We certainly have as far as our classified workers are concerned. This will be our ongoing goal as our negotiation team continues its work.”


entitled boro teachers

Cleveland, OH

#25582 Jul 8, 2013
Dollars and Sense wrote:
<quoted text>
The Springboro Board of Education President makes SENSE to me,
as stated in the Springboro Sun on July 4th.
"We have now completed an evaluation of the financial impact of the current SEA proposal. It exceeds the school district's available funds by more than $2 million in years one and two," Kohls said, "In the spirit of transparency, we want to update the public on the BOE and SEA proposed agreements."
The parties remain divided on these key issues:
The board is offering step raises of 4.75 - 5.75 percent per year depending upon level of education when compared to the existing salary schedule. Those not eligible for a step raise would receive a $1,000 annual stipend. The SEA is countering with continued step raises and an additional 2.7 percent raise in base salary in the first year and an additional 1.7 percent in the second year.
The district is offering to pay 80 percent of health, dental and vision insurance premiums, SEA is countering with a continuation of 85 percent paid by the district. Employees now pay $170 per month for family plan coverage. Under the BOE proposal, monthly premiums will increase $57 per month so that employees would now pay $227 per month for the family plan.
The board proposals include a merit/performance-based pay system commencing no later than Feb. 1, 2015.
The proposals presented by the board and SEA agree to maintain the original contract language, thus leaving compensation and healthcare benefits as the remaining issues to resolve.
We have listened to our community. We are committed to providing a quality education, being fiscally prudent and being as fair to our employees as is possible in these difficult economic times,” Kohls said.“The board is also driven by a ‘Children First’ budget
That takes into account all aspects of our children’s education.”
Kohls also announced last week that a tentative agreement between the board and the Springboro Classified Employees Association,(SCEA), the union representing bus drivers, cafeteria workers and other non-teaching staff, is supported by the board,
According to board president, Kelly Kohls.
We are pleased with this tentative agreement,” said Kohls.“We will have an agreement that is a part of our plan to remain sustainable into the future.” She continued,“The SCEA and the BOE agreed to an increase in compensation and changes to the health
Insurance package which the district can accommodate.”
Highlights of the agreement include:
-Step Raises for three years
-$1000 annual stipend for three years;
-Employees will pay 20 percent for healthcare insurance, the district will pay 80 percent of the premium;
-Contract period will be four years
“I am very happy to make this announcement today. Our hope is that we can have similar news about our teacher union negotiations in the near future,” said Kohls.“We promised our community we would approve only agreements that were economically sustainable. We certainly have as far as our classified workers are concerned. This will be our ongoing goal as our negotiation team continues its work.”
Two questions for those with an advanced degree who works in the private sector...

How many of you are currently (that means "right now") seeing annual raises between 4.75%- 5.75%?

How many of you currently (again, that means "right now") pay 20%(or less) of total individual package costs for healthcare insurance through your private sector employer?
I am

Springboro, OH

#25583 Jul 8, 2013
entitled boro teachers wrote:
<quoted text>
Two questions for those with an advanced degree who works in the private sector...
How many of you are currently (that means "right now") seeing annual raises between 4.75%- 5.75%?
How many of you currently (again, that means "right now") pay 20%(or less) of total individual package costs for healthcare insurance through your private sector employer?
I am. I am in the Advanced Manufacturing industry. Have a Masters in Engineering. I pay 10% for my healthcare.
Overtaxed and Fed Up

Cincinnati, OH

#25584 Jul 8, 2013
entitled boro teachers wrote:
<quoted text>
Two questions for those with an advanced degree who works in the private sector...
How many of you are currently (that means "right now") seeing annual raises between 4.75%- 5.75%?
How many of you currently (again, that means "right now") pay 20%(or less) of total individual package costs for healthcare insurance through your private sector employer?
Answer to question (1) No, not one of my family members, friends and neighbors of the private sector kinds.

Answer to question (2) No, not one.

100% of private sector workers are fed up with our teachers union rights of collective bargaining, which is wrong for our children's future education, and the well being of individual citizens. 3029
Remember Us

Cleveland, OH

#25585 Jul 8, 2013
Remember how the 3 of you that post over and over under a multitude of names? Guess what? We are the young people you made fun of as being children for supporting Dr. Malone. Well hmmm,we are all grown up now and eligible to vote. Here we come, Kelly. All those months ago...who is laughing now?
Question Policy

Euclid, OH

#25586 Jul 8, 2013
It's July 8 and no one has taken out a petition for Springboro BOE in Warren County.
a bird in the hand

Cleveland, OH

#25587 Jul 8, 2013
Question Policy wrote:
It's July 8 and no one has taken out a petition for Springboro BOE in Warren County.
Why not write in the name Bernie Becker? If nothing else our former perv fire chief could serve as an excellent target for miscellaneous flying tomatoes during board meetings!
Picture It

Cincinnati, OH

#25588 Jul 8, 2013
Question Policy wrote:
It's July 8 and no one has taken out a petition for Springboro BOE in Warren County.
till then.....Heard Ron's kids rumbling recently that Sheri and Ron are "tanning themselves" at the beach, warming up in July
to get really burned in November.
Out of Towner

Cincinnati, OH

#25589 Jul 8, 2013
Time to say bye bye to Big Red.
Good Neighor Policy

Cincinnati, OH

#25590 Jul 8, 2013
Quiet Teacher wrote:
Although I would love to comment on the recent teacher complaint, I will not.
As a Boro HS teacher with more than 15 years of experience, I fully support the School Board and in private, most of the teachers do as well.
A few teachers are attempting to hijack the District for selfish economic gain. We do not need another levy.
Thanks for your encouraging words.
As I have occasion to attend meetings at school,
several others have taken their time to say to me what you just said.



for all good neighbors to come to the aid of our children first.
SOS to SEA

Cincinnati, OH

#25591 Jul 8, 2013
Remember Us wrote:
Remember how the 3 of you that post over and over under a multitude of names? Guess what? We are the young people you made fun of as being children for supporting Dr. Malone. Well hmmm,we are all grown up now and eligible to vote. Here we come, Kelly. All those months ago...who is laughing now?
A mind is a terrible thing to waste!

And so are our hard earned school tax dollars!

Hey Mr. Maney, a deal is a deal. Mr. Malone worked out his last year of contract breaking the backs of Springboro taxpayers and the Springboro Education Association contract expired June 30!
Isn't it about time for the union to pull out of Springboro Schools; it appears that Ron's kids have already suffered "brain drain" so what does Springboro have to fear?
Dollars and Sense

Cincinnati, OH

#25592 Jul 8, 2013
The Springboro Board of Education President makes SENSE to me,
as stated in the Springboro Sun on July 4th.

"We have now completed an evaluation of the financial impact of the current SEA proposal. It exceeds the school district's available funds by more than $2 million in years one and two," Kohls said, "In the spirit of transparency, we want to update the public on the BOE and SEA proposed agreements."

The parties remain divided on these key issues:
The board is offering step raises of 4.75 - 5.75 percent per year depending upon level of education when compared to the existing salary schedule. Those not eligible for a step raise would receive a $1,000 annual stipend. The SEA is countering with continued step raises and an additional 2.7 percent raise in base salary in the first year and an additional 1.7 percent in the second year.

The district is offering to pay 80 percent of health, dental and vision insurance premiums, SEA is countering with a continuation of 85 percent paid by the district. Employees now pay $170 per month for family plan coverage. Under the BOE proposal, monthly premiums will increase $57 per month so that employees would now pay $227 per month for the family plan.

The board proposals include a merit/performance-based pay system commencing no later than Feb. 1, 2015.

The proposals presented by the board and SEA agree to maintain the original contract language, thus leaving compensation and healthcare benefits as the remaining issues to resolve.

We have listened to our community. We are committed to providing a quality education, being fiscally prudent and being as fair to our employees as is possible in these difficult economic times,” Kohls said.“The board is also driven by a ‘Children First’ budget
That takes into account all aspects of our children’s education.”

Kohls also announced last week that a tentative agreement between the board and the Springboro Classified Employees Association,(SCEA), the union representing bus drivers, cafeteria workers and other non-teaching staff, is supported by the board,
According to board president, Kelly Kohls.

We are pleased with this tentative agreement,” said Kohls.“We will have an agreement that is a part of our plan to remain sustainable into the future.” She continued,“The SCEA and the BOE agreed to an increase in compensation and changes to the health
Insurance package which the district can accommodate.”

Highlights of the agreement include:
-Step Raises for three years
-$1000 annual stipend for three years;
-Employees will pay 20 percent for healthcare insurance, the district will pay 80 percent of the premium;
-Contract period will be four years

“I am very happy to make this announcement today. Our hope is that we can have similar news about our teacher union negotiations in the near future,” said Kohls.“We promised our community we would approve only agreements that were economically sustainable. We certainly have as far as our classified workers are concerned. This will be our ongoing goal as our negotiation team continues its work.”
doubtit

Cleveland, OH

#25593 Jul 8, 2013
Good Neighor Policy wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for your encouraging words.
As I have occasion to attend meetings at school,
several others have taken their time to say to me what you just said.
for all good neighbors to come to the aid of our children first.
With all due respect hurley...no one talks to you at school meetings. We run from you and your crazy talk!
TrueBlue

Englewood, OH

#25594 Jul 8, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
<quoted text>
You never know who may show up on your local ballot, perhaps a "genius" or two.
Probably not a dumba** like Wheiteman though, with all his skeletons in the closet...
TrueBlue

Englewood, OH

#25595 Jul 8, 2013
a bird in the hand wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not write in the name Bernie Becker? If nothing else our former perv fire chief could serve as an excellent target for miscellaneous flying tomatoes during board meetings!
No one would take that clown seriously...heard he's off to another city where the young boys aren't already keen to his antics..
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25596 Jul 9, 2013
Remember Us wrote:
Remember how the 3 of you that post over and over under a multitude of names? Guess what? We are the young people you made fun of as being children for supporting Dr. Malone. Well hmmm,we are all grown up now and eligible to vote. Here we come, Kelly. All those months ago...who is laughing now?
You would be delusional to believe that only three adults have opinions that vary 180 degrees from your own.

Perhaps someday, when you grow up and have some experience in life, you will realize that charlatans exist to take advantage of the least experienced and least educated in life.

It will come as a bit of a shock when that revelation sinks in and rocks your core value system, but it is a shock that will pay dividends in the future as you become more acutely aware of the reality in which you live.

And remember all of those kids in your class that were strongly advised they would be better served educationally at the Warren County Career Center, they and their parents may not share the same love and adulation for the man who discarded their children's education in pursuit of euphemisms.

They were not the first ones sacrificed for the greater glory of Excellent with Distinction, this has been going on for quite some time.

How do you think those people feel?

As warm and fuzzy as yourself?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25597 Jul 9, 2013
TrueBlue wrote:
<quoted text>
Probably not a dumba** like Wheiteman though, with all his skeletons in the closet...
Be careful what you wish for, it may come true.

Vote for Doug Wiedeman, the union's choice.

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