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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25205 Jun 14, 2013
The union must be getting weak in the knees to be concerned about a woman with a few observations about how our school system is constructed.

The union and its supporters don't care for the sunlight being cast by Ms. Kohls on our system of education.
sheep

Springboro, OH

#25206 Jun 14, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
The union must be getting weak in the knees to be concerned about a woman with a few observations about how our school system is constructed.
The union and its supporters don't care for the sunlight being cast by Ms. Kohls on our system of education.
Yep, deflect and demean.....boy are you a hypocrite.
Badd Babb Wolves

Cincinnati, OH

#25207 Jun 14, 2013
sheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, deflect and demean.....boy are you a hypocrite.
Wolves (those who would devour the best interests of our children to satisfy their addictive appetites to power, control,and money) wearing the old outdated union label of SHEEP clothing, are the biggest hypocrites ever, and the most mean-spirited and unkind toward all their neighbors who are Boro Happy living and breathing outside their closely-knit "collective" union tent.
Beware the Badd Babb Wolves who are seen running around Boro with the Bowman Bandits of Unhappiness, spreading predictions of gloom and doom, brain drain, and in trembling fear for our future, unless we reverse to the status quo business as usual "failures" of our previous union first school board majority and former superintendent and former high school principal.
Thank Goodness, All we Boro Happy people are NOT like SHEEP, who have been led astray by those big badd babb wolves, seeking to devour "our children first!"
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25208 Jun 14, 2013
sheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, deflect and demean.....boy are you a hypocrite.
You need to get a better self image, speaking of yourself in that fashion is not healthy.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25209 Jun 14, 2013
sheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Kind of adds a little more "credibility" to her talking because she is a member of the BOE, don't ya think? I guess her position doesn't really matter.....would ya run out to listen to her message if she were a baseball player? College student? Plumber? Yeah, I know - you certainly would.
The short answer is yes. Perhaps you have not seen then multitude of people who flock to hear all sorts of people speak from a host of backgrounds.

The message of transparency in government, accountability in government, and fiscal responsibility in government resonates with people.

What happens when you keep the people in the dark is similar to what went on with the boosters for 20 years. Only after Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano began opening up the books was this issue brought into the sunlight and discovered.

When Mr. Malone shoved the reviews from the Warren County Educational Service Center in his desk rather than share them with the community we saw the dumbing down of the curriculum in the high school. The result being that parents were forced into paying for remedial classes in college for kids that should have been taught that material in high school.

When the chief district administrators cook the books and tell us they are woefully short of funds and need another $30,000,000 or everything will fail, that is not fiscal responsibility.

When roof are allowed to leak and buildings deteriorate because funds are diverted into less pressing needs, that is not fiscal responsibility.

When our children's safety in transportation is compromised because of the me first demands of adults, that is not fiscal responsibility.

When the chief administrative leaders in the high school combine with the well meaning but ill informed parents to foist off false financial crisis on the community, that is not fiscal responsibility.

When the union and its supporters demand the community spend more money than it allocates, that is not fiscal responsibility.

And you have the effrontery to ask why anyone would be interested in finding out more about these issues?

Come out in the light, you may find it refreshing.
sheep

Springboro, OH

#25210 Jun 14, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
<quoted text>
The short answer is yes. Perhaps you have not seen then multitude of people who flock to hear all sorts of people speak from a host of backgrounds.
The message of transparency in government, accountability in government, and fiscal responsibility in government resonates with people.
What happens when you keep the people in the dark is similar to what went on with the boosters for 20 years. Only after Mr. Petroni and Mr. Rigano began opening up the books was this issue brought into the sunlight and discovered.
When Mr. Malone shoved the reviews from the Warren County Educational Service Center in his desk rather than share them with the community we saw the dumbing down of the curriculum in the high school. The result being that parents were forced into paying for remedial classes in college for kids that should have been taught that material in high school.
When the chief district administrators cook the books and tell us they are woefully short of funds and need another $30,000,000 or everything will fail, that is not fiscal responsibility.
When roof are allowed to leak and buildings deteriorate because funds are diverted into less pressing needs, that is not fiscal responsibility.
When our children's safety in transportation is compromised because of the me first demands of adults, that is not fiscal responsibility.
When the chief administrative leaders in the high school combine with the well meaning but ill informed parents to foist off false financial crisis on the community, that is not fiscal responsibility.
When the union and its supporters demand the community spend more money than it allocates, that is not fiscal responsibility.
And you have the effrontery to ask why anyone would be interested in finding out more about these issues?
Come out in the light, you may find it refreshing.
I feel good about myself, but thanks. Clearly you don't when you have to deflect and demean (in a cute way) once again. Hypocrites typically don't see themselves as one.

Actually I haven't seen a multitude of people flock to certain talks. I only attend ones that are "credible". Such as a BOE member traveling the state talking about the effects they have had on the schools system in which she (sorry, they) serve. Not a baseball player or medical doctor that talks about what he or she WOULD do to change the school system. Now if that medical doctor were giving a talk about heart transplants - probably something I would attend. Sheep follow many different things - doesn't mean they are credible things they are following.

When roofs are allowed to leak? Have you seen the condition of the schools lately? Both outside and inside? They are, quite frankly, horrible. More than the fiscal side of things, which is really the ONLY thing you belabor (and I am certainly not downplaying it), is the sense of community pride. and there certainly is none of that right now, sorry to tell you. the fiscal house may be in order, according to you, but the human element certainly is not.

And you better come in from all your sunshine, you may get a sunburn.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25211 Jun 14, 2013
Why can't a nurse talk about the schools system? Are you saying only teaches are capable of speaking about the way our schools are run?

Roofs in the Junior High were allowed to leak for a number of years during the levy campaigns in hopes of engendering misguided and mislead support. Amazingly they found the money to fix them when the hopelessness of their cause became apparent. All that was accomplished without the additional new money the pro levy folks said we desperately needed to stay afloat.

There remain a number of unmet needs that slowly but surely are being worked through by judicious use of fiscal management and responsibility.

Certain factions would be just as happy to take all of the available monies for themselves then leave the children to once again sit in leaky classrooms, or on unsafe buses, utilizing outdated textbooks, lacking technology, or a host of other unmet needs our children continue to require.

I enjoy the sun and use sunscreen for protection against its harmful effects.

You should try it sometime, it certainly beats the darkside.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#25212 Jun 14, 2013
Lest we forget what is truly important and our entire reason for being in this conversation.

f you child received their OGT test results this past week the following will allow you to interpret the results more accurately.

Once again PROFICIENT = FAILURE

http://education.ohio.gov/Topics/Testing/Stat ...

Using the same scale Mr. Malone utilized to access the college courses our children took through the PSEO when constructing their GPA's for class rankings

A......95%
B.......85%
C......75%
D......63%
F......Below 63%

SCORE RANGES FOR PERFORMANCE LEVELS
Table provides the raw and scaled scores associated with each of the ¬performance levels on each test for the March 2013 administration.
– Score ranges for all subjects and performance levels

Subject.......... Correct Answers....% of Correct Answers.... Scaled Score

READING
Advanced.......... 37.5 – 48.0..........78%-100%........ . 448 – 554
Accelerated.......... 30.5 – 37.0.......... 64%-77%......... 429 – 447
PROFICIENT.......... 19.5 – 30.0 ..........41%-63%......... 400 – 428
Basic.......... 13.5 -19.0.......... 28%-40%.........383 – 399
Limited.......... 0.0 – 13.0..........0%-27%.........2 61 – 382

MATHEMATICS
Advanced.......... 35.0 – 46.0 ..........76%-100%......... 444 – 553
Accelerated.......... 28.5 – 34.5 ..........62%-75%.........425 – 443
PROFICIENT.......... 19.0 – 28.0 ..........41%-61%.........400 – 424
Basic ..........14.0 – 18.5 ..........30%-40%.........384 – 399
Limited ..........0.0 – 13.5 ..........0%-29%.........254 – 383

WRITING
Advanced ..........41.5 – 48.0 ..........86%-100%.........476 – 579
Accelerated ..........34.0 – 41.0 ..........71%-85%.........430 – 475
PROFICIENT ..........25.5 – 33.5 ..........53%-70%.........400 – 429
Basic ..........18.5 – 25.0 ..........37%-52%.........378 – 399
Limited ..........0.0 – 17.0 ..........0%-36%......... 268 – 377

SCIENCE
Advanced ..........36.5 – 48.0 ..........76%-100%.........445 – 591
Accelerated ..........31.5 – 36.0 ..........61%-72%.........425 – 444
PROFICIENT ..........22.0 – 29.0 ..........46%-60%.........400 – 424
Basic ..........13.5 – 21.5 ..........28%-45%.........371 – 399
Limited ..........0.0 – 13.0 ..........0%-27%.........209 – 370

SOCIAL STUDIES
Advanced ..........36.5 – 48.0 ..........76%-100%.........446 – 579
Accelerated ..........32.0 – 36.0 ..........68%-75%.........429 – 445
PROFICIENT ..........21.5 – 31.5..........45%-67%......... 400 – 428
Basic ..........15.5 – 21.0 ..........32%-44%.........382 – 399
Limited ..........0.0 – 15.0 ..........0%-21%.........231 – 381
LOL

Cincinnati, OH

#25213 Jun 14, 2013
sheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I feel good about myself, but thanks. Clearly you don't when you have to deflect and demean (in a cute way) once again. Hypocrites typically don't see themselves as one.
Actually I haven't seen a multitude of people flock to certain talks. I only attend ones that are "credible". Such as a BOE member traveling the state talking about the effects they have had on the schools system in which she (sorry, they) serve. Not a baseball player or medical doctor that talks about what he or she WOULD do to change the school system. Now if that medical doctor were giving a talk about heart transplants - probably something I would attend. Sheep follow many different things - doesn't mean they are credible things they are following.
When roofs are allowed to leak? Have you seen the condition of the schools lately? Both outside and inside? They are, quite frankly, horrible. More than the fiscal side of things, which is really the ONLY thing you belabor (and I am certainly not downplaying it), is the sense of community pride. and there certainly is none of that right now, sorry to tell you. the fiscal house may be in order, according to you, but the human element certainly is not.
And you better come in from all your sunshine, you may get a sunburn.
...it's agreed, as you point out... that "just watching" is cute;
but more importantly, all those who are "just watching" are smart enough to figure out the hypocrisy of wolves in sheep clothing.
Stand strong springboro and just keep watching and listening to the truth that will set you free from the snares of SURE and the badd Babb for boro wooly bullies in sheep clothing.
sheep

Springboro, OH

#25214 Jun 14, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
Why can't a nurse talk about the schools system? Are you saying only teaches are capable of speaking about the way our schools are run?
Roofs in the Junior High were allowed to leak for a number of years during the levy campaigns in hopes of engendering misguided and mislead support. Amazingly they found the money to fix them when the hopelessness of their cause became apparent. All that was accomplished without the additional new money the pro levy folks said we desperately needed to stay afloat.
There remain a number of unmet needs that slowly but surely are being worked through by judicious use of fiscal management and responsibility.
Certain factions would be just as happy to take all of the available monies for themselves then leave the children to once again sit in leaky classrooms, or on unsafe buses, utilizing outdated textbooks, lacking technology, or a host of other unmet needs our children continue to require.
I enjoy the sun and use sunscreen for protection against its harmful effects.
You should try it sometime, it certainly beats the darkside.
Its kind of interesing. When you have to keep telling people over and over and over again you are something....you usually aren't. We are transparent. Everything we do is transparent. Be in the sunlight. Sunshine is great, come join us. What's that saying, oh that's right - actions speak louder than words?

Keep deflecting and demeaning. What's another saying - oh that's right, those in glass houses?

Thanks but Darth Vader and I are doing just fine on the Dark Side. Funny, I see you here too. Oh wait, but you keep telling people everything is transparent......so it must be true!
You Betcha

Cincinnati, OH

#25215 Jun 14, 2013
sheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I feel good about myself, but thanks. Clearly you don't when you have to deflect and demean (in a cute way) once again. Hypocrites typically don't see themselves as one.
Actually I haven't seen a multitude of people flock to certain talks. I only attend ones that are "credible". Such as a BOE member traveling the state talking about the effects they have had on the schools system in which she (sorry, they) serve. Not a baseball player or medical doctor that talks about what he or she WOULD do to change the school system. Now if that medical doctor were giving a talk about heart transplants - probably something I would attend. Sheep follow many different things - doesn't mean they are credible things they are following.
When roofs are allowed to leak? Have you seen the condition of the schools lately? Both outside and inside? They are, quite frankly, horrible. More than the fiscal side of things, which is really the ONLY thing you belabor (and I am certainly not downplaying it), is the sense of community pride. and there certainly is none of that right now, sorry to tell you. the fiscal house may be in order, according to you, but the human element certainly is not.
And you better come in from all your sunshine, you may get a sunburn.
Well, you betcha I've seen the condition of the schools lately! The condition of our schools is much improved over the way things were before our children first budgeting BOE member came on board in 2010...AND conditions are steadily improving!
The last time I was in the schools was recently when I was driving my child to school and her grandparents were visiting us. My daughter grabbed her grandparents hand and said "you have to come with us and see my school! You'll just love it!"
Oh how good it is to enjoy these happy times of every day blessings (that are so often taken for granted)!
You betcha, the human element is certainly in order, when we all are just as happy as we make up our minds to be!
May God Bless My Family And May God Bless You and Yours!
Life is so good with gratitude for good things!
Hold On

Cleveland, OH

#25216 Jun 14, 2013
What are the odds on a strike happening? And when would this happen?
Our Children Our Schools

Cincinnati, OH

#25218 Jun 14, 2013
Why is the OEA standing in the way of negotiations in Springboro? Visit http://www.springboro.org for current negotiation information, the fiscal impact of accepting the OEA contract, and more. Stay informed, at http://www.springboro.org .
Uno Voter

Cincinnati, OH

#25221 Jun 15, 2013
sheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I feel good about myself, but thanks. Clearly you don't when you have to deflect and demean (in a cute way) once again. Hypocrites typically don't see themselves as one.
Actually I haven't seen a multitude of people flock to certain talks. I only attend ones that are "credible". Such as a BOE member traveling the state talking about the effects they have had on the schools system in which she (sorry, they) serve. Not a baseball player or medical doctor that talks about what he or she WOULD do to change the school system. Now if that medical doctor were giving a talk about heart transplants - probably something I would attend. Sheep follow many different things - doesn't mean they are credible things they are following.
When roofs are allowed to leak? Have you seen the condition of the schools lately? Both outside and inside? They are, quite frankly, horrible. More than the fiscal side of things, which is really the ONLY thing you belabor (and I am certainly not downplaying it), is the sense of community pride. and there certainly is none of that right now, sorry to tell you. the fiscal house may be in order, according to you, but the human element certainly is not.
And you better come in from all your sunshine, you may get a sunburn.
Your criticism of our school district's new philosophy of Children First Budgeting seems to be the focus in your sheep talk; so why target a Springboro parent, who agrees with our school district's new philosophy, and is a highly popular Springboro school board elected official?
To me, as a taxpaying homeowner and school district voter, I am more interested in hearing about how our school board representatives "feel" about our children's future education and what "actions" are being taken by the BOE to ensure that the children of the Springboro community receive an excellent education while keeping the costs of that education affordable, by carefully adhering to responsible spending.
In 2009, Kelly Kohls campaigned for school board election on the agenda of budget reform and levy alternatives; and in 2011, David Petroni and Jim Rigano were elected as school board representatives of Children FIRST Budgeting for educational and support services, with no holding parents hostage over things like busing and classroom fees.
Rarely do we see elected officials get to work for the people doing what they said they would do during their campaigns to get "elected." But that's just the kind of good parents and great leaders that our school board representatives, Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, Mr. Rigano are proving themselves to be!
Springboro parents are fortunate to have an elected BOE majority who put our children's best interest FIRST in every decision made!
Voters will remember in November the way things used to be before Kelly Kohls came on board in Janaury 2010! Why would any parent want to reverse to the old OSBA philosophy of schoool board members promoting an endless stream of new levies, emotionally blackmailing Springboro taxpayers for unnecessary increased taxes?
Uno Voter

Cincinnati, OH

#25222 Jun 15, 2013
Springboro Loves Our Children First!

Check this website to find inspiring articles including "Children First Budgeting Works!"

http://educatespringboro.wordpress.com/2013/0...
Hold On

United States

#25223 Jun 15, 2013
Uno Voter wrote:
<quoted text>Your criticism of our school district's new philosophy of Children First Budgeting seems to be the focus in your sheep talk; so why target a Springboro parent, who agrees with our school district's new philosophy, and is a highly popular Springboro school board elected official?
To me, as a taxpaying homeowner and school district voter, I am more interested in hearing about how our school board representatives "feel" about our children's future education and what "actions" are being taken by the BOE to ensure that the children of the Springboro community receive an excellent education while keeping the costs of that education affordable, by carefully adhering to responsible spending.
In 2009, Kelly Kohls campaigned for school board election on the agenda of budget reform and levy alternatives; and in 2011, David Petroni and Jim Rigano were elected as school board representatives of Children FIRST Budgeting for educational and support services, with no holding parents hostage over things like busing and classroom fees.
Rarely do we see elected officials get to work for the people doing what they said they would do during their campaigns to get "elected." But that's just the kind of good parents and great leaders that our school board representatives, Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, Mr. Rigano are proving themselves to be!
Springboro parents are fortunate to have an elected BOE majority who put our children's best interest FIRST in every decision made!
Voters will remember in November the way things used to be before Kelly Kohls came on board in Janaury 2010! Why would any parent want to reverse to the old OSBA philosophy of schoool board members promoting an endless stream of new levies, emotionally blackmailing Springboro taxpayers for unnecessary increased taxes?
Uh. Highly popular elected school board member? Riiiiight.
Down Home in Boro

Cincinnati, OH

#25224 Jun 15, 2013
Hold On wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh. Highly popular elected school board member? Riiiiight.
Uh, that's Riiiiight! Highly popular locally elected school board member in the 2009 Springboro School Board elections! Among the four who were running to claim the three open school board seats up for grabs, the ONE children first budgeting "Springboro Parent" received the highest number of votes, according to official records! It's a fact down home in the Boro of our "highlypolular elected school board member!

(by the way....couldn't help noticing your Hold On Fairfax VA
address because I have lots of relatives living there! How's the
weather today?)
just great

United States

#25225 Jun 15, 2013
Hold On wrote:
What are the odds on a strike happening? And when would this happen?
let 'em strike...another reason to vote no against the unions and their leaders here in town..had enough of this b.s. along with the corrupt union stoking mayor.
No OEA Indoctrination

Cincinnati, OH

#25226 Jun 15, 2013
Does the OEA encourage teachers to indoctrinate Ohio’s Kids?
Is the OEA monthly newsletter to teachers posted on public websites?
Do we parents know what our children are learning from teacher unionists, who believe along with the OEA, that teachers should not only be members of a labor union, but also should indoctrinate our children on unionism?

As the OEA dictates teachers in their monthly newsletter,“It’s essential that they not only be teacher unionists, but teachers of unionism. We need to create a generation of students who support teachers and the movements of teachers for their rights.”
How about they focus on just teaching our kids the core skills they will need in math, reading, writing, and science? How about they leave their political ideology and unionism out of the classroom? As the National Assessment of Educational Progress results show, more than half of America’s 8th graders fail basic civics tests. Clearly, our teachers have enough to do already.

The OEA needs to keep its left-wing views outside of the classroom and its hands off our kids’ curriculum. This type of indoctrination isn’t a surprise coming from a group with a leader who once boldly admitted it was more concerned with getting more power than the best interest of our kids.
Stop Common Core

Cincinnati, OH

#25227 Jun 15, 2013
Nearly two years ago, the Ohio State Board of Education adopted the Obama administration’s educational program of Common Core only 16 days after it was announced. There was no time for evaluation of the standards by those most closely connected to student learning – parents and local teachers.
Now we are seeing the problems inherent in Common Core as a top-down bureaucratic system. Common Core’s one-size-fits-all standards have not sufficiently been proven to work, turning our students into lab rats for federal experimentation. Furthermore, these untested standards are expected to cost Ohio taxpayers multi-millions of dollars to implement at a time when families are already struggling to get by.
Among other costs, Ohio taxpayers will be stuck with the bill for new libraries and equipment. Because Common Core requires standardized tests, schools face the burden of buying additional computers and updating textbooks to comply with this regulation.
And it’s not just the costs! Inherent to Common Core is massive intrusive data collection. Additionally, because of the push to standardize many exams, including some that private and homeschool children take, even privately educated students have reason to be concerned.
Contact your legislators and ask them to repeal Common Core! Every student is unique. It’s simply naïve for bureaucrats to assume all children and classrooms must fit into the same mold. Instead of all the red tape, schools need to hold teachers accountable for their classrooms and allow parents to choose what institution is best for their child. Parents and teachers, who are daily involved with our children, know what individual students need to succeed and how best to reach the goal of a quality education.
For the good of our students, every concerned Ohio citizen should speak out now on the importance of repealing Common Core standards and returning education decisions to the local level where they belong. Make sure everyone you know knows the facts about Common Core. Help us take a stand against education bureaucracy!

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