Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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sheep

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Nasty insinuation you are making, but alas it does not fly.
If Ms. Kohls were taking gratuities from vendors with business before the board and then granting contracts to the vendors your argument would apply.
I do not believe any of these other people around the state who wish to hear what Ms. Kohls has to say about transparency in government, accountability in government, and governmental fiscal responsibility fall into that category.
Come to think of it would appear that the Neighbors for Springboro Schools fell into this trap in that a large majority of its contributions came from businesses who had existing business with the school district or soon hoped to have that business and would benefit from a larger pool of tax money. It was also widely supported by the many of the very teachers who would have stood to gain handsomely from $30,000,000 extra dollars transferred needlessly from the wallets of the taxpayers into the coffers of the school system.
You should report the Neighbors for Springboro Schools group to the ethics commission.
Let me know when you do this and I will provide support for your outrage.
Sorry, read the ethics laws. Benfitting financially based on your elected position, no matter where the payments might come from, is more than likely an ethics violation.

And again, read the ethics laws - teachers, employees of governments, businesses, etc., are permitted to donate their money to any political candidate, PAC, etc., of their choosing. It is protected "speech" under the 1st Amendment last time I checked.
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More Just Disgusting wrote:
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Yeah, inquiring minds would ask "sheep" blogger what's so ethical about the badd babb for boro activists trying to intimidate and bully away our first amendment constitutional rights to free speech?
As much as you are "Just Distgusted" about it - ethics laws do not cover private citizens. But nice try.
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Just Watching wrote:
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Nasty insinuation you are making, but alas it does not fly.
If Ms. Kohls were taking gratuities from vendors with business before the board and then granting contracts to the vendors your argument would apply.
I do not believe any of these other people around the state who wish to hear what Ms. Kohls has to say about transparency in government, accountability in government, and governmental fiscal responsibility fall into that category.
Come to think of it would appear that the Neighbors for Springboro Schools fell into this trap in that a large majority of its contributions came from businesses who had existing business with the school district or soon hoped to have that business and would benefit from a larger pool of tax money. It was also widely supported by the many of the very teachers who would have stood to gain handsomely from $30,000,000 extra dollars transferred needlessly from the wallets of the taxpayers into the coffers of the school system.
You should report the Neighbors for Springboro Schools group to the ethics commission.
Let me know when you do this and I will provide support for your outrage.
And of course......still wont answer the question. Just deflect and point the finger at someone else or another group.
You the Sheeple

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sheep wrote:
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David Bowman isn't an elected official, so it doesn't really matter if he is compensated for anything he says......it would matter if Kohls is profitting from her elected position.
Some consideration ought to be given for compensating Bowman for his board room rants. He could use that extra cash in order to update that gawd-awful wardrobe.
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And that would be a fine example of grade inflation.
According to the data collected by the state we are in solid C- territory.
Semantics and euphemisms can never replace old fashion actual accomplishment.
I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment, especially in regard to semantics vs. actual accomplishments.

Since our childrens' bar of expectations in Ohio obviously has been gradually lowered, it is certainly plausible that part of Ohio's new plan is to raise this bar, but to raise this bar not all at once, but somewhat gradually.

The comparative assessment regarding Springboro schools having a "B" grade came directly from the mouths of ODE officials during relatively recent conversations with Dr. Kelly Kohls.
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sheep wrote:
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Sorry, read the ethics laws. Benfitting financially based on your elected position, no matter where the payments might come from, is more than likely an ethics violation.
And again, read the ethics laws - teachers, employees of governments, businesses, etc., are permitted to donate their money to any political candidate, PAC, etc., of their choosing. It is protected "speech" under the 1st Amendment last time I checked.
So is a private citizen engaged in their private lives. Last time I checked no one with business before the board of education that would benefit anyone financially was among the groups from around the state who wished to host Ms. Kohls and her message of transparency, accountability, and fiscal responsibility.

Our sports coaches from your definition are most assuredly profiting from their position within the school hierarchy.

The donors whose businesses stood the most to gain financially from extra tax dollars are exempt, but a private citizen who has a message that others want to her must be silenced with innuendo for the union has decreed that her speech negatively influences their business model.

I don't believe anyone is coming to see Ms Kohls because she is a school board member in Springboro, OH. I would be surprised if most people from around the state where she has spoken even knew where Springboro was located.

Hard to trade on your elected position if no one knows where you come from or has any business in front of your board. How do you do that by the way?

Do you ever wonder what the pro levy crowd would have done with that extra $30,000,000 they wanted in extra taxes?

The $30,000,000 that they absolutely, positively had to have or the district would be bankrupt and in financial ruin.

Four years later and we now look as though we won't need another new levy for another four years.

Compare that with the folks in West Carrollton, Centerville, Beavercreek, Northmont, Huber Heights, etc, etc. How many would like to be in our shoes financially? All of them?

Do you think they would have spent it all and then demanded another levy by now to pay for their now bloated infrastructure?
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Just Watching wrote:
This is part of an email sent by board member Tiffany Carlisle to the Budget and Finance Committee in March of 2013. Ms Carlisle had been a board member of the boosters since 2009.
I also wanted to clarify something regarding Booster funds. I didn't want to take the time at the end, since it was getting late. But I think I know a little bit about what kinds of things you are unclear on, especially you, Mr. Petroni, from comments you have made at various meetings. I myself am still a newer member of the Boosters
(her name Tiffany Carlisle, is listed as one of the board of directors on a 2009 membership drive handout)
, and am learning how it all works. There is a lot to learn--thanks for putting in the time to get information!
I will do my best to explain; Susanne or Tom (the treasurer) are the experts! It is in regards to the Booster account. Our treasurer mentioned an account balance of about $113,000 tonight. Those are not all BOOSTER funds. We don't raise that much in a year! Our only income is from concessions during football season ($40,000 per year that got to the bank), Casino Night ($11,000 that got to the bank), and the Fan Store (No donations listed until after the election of Petroni and Rigano. None in 2008, 2009, 2010, or 2011 then a miraculous $18,000 and $10,000 appear .) Much of that $113,000 belongs to individual teams (By my calculation $40,000 +$11,000 +$28,000 =$79,000) When teams fund raise, the money they make goes into the Booster account, in that individual team's account (A 10% levy is placed on all monies raised or donated for booster expenses) For example, the baseball team is currently fundraising for their Florida trip. When they have a fundraiser, the money goes into the baseball team's portion of the Booster account.
If Susanne (or Tom) are the experts, as Tiffany explains, then why are we not hearing from Susanne (or Tom) in the public school board meetings? The boosters "experts" are always referred to in third person speak. Why is that?
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Sorry, read the ethics laws. Benfitting financially based on your elected position, no matter where the payments might come from, is more than likely an ethics violation.
And again, read the ethics laws - teachers, employees of governments, businesses, etc., are permitted to donate their money to any political candidate, PAC, etc., of their choosing. It is protected "speech" under the 1st Amendment last time I checked.
Then would "sheep" agree that school teachers who pay required union dues for union membership can also designate that their donation go to any political candidate, PAC, etc. of the individual teacher's choosing?
If so, then why are so many of our wonderful Springboro teachers complaining around town that the "collective" union bosses donate their money to the "political candidate, PAC, etc., of the union bosses' choosing? Isn't that unethical and a violation of protected "speech" under the lst Amendment?
Unethical Ewes

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Again...huh???? And if you read the posts - not making an accusation at all. Asking a question. Is Ms. Kohls being compensated for her traveling road show? If the answer is no, then great. Of course, no one will probably answer that. Just belittle, deflect...
Can you just cool it on your efforts to belittle Ms. Kohls in your pretense of being concerned about "ethics?"

Can you tell us if there is an "ethics" clause in the employment contracts of Springboro School Employees?

Can you tell us if school employee, Mr. Maney, violated any ethical clause of school employees when Mr. Maney urged that the Neighbors for Spriongboro Schools levy ladies "should be taken care of by the board" because of their hard work done for union agenda of promoting increased school taxes?

Can you tell us why the NFSS ladies (including Tammy Grigsby, Lisa Babb, and Tina Schroff) all received supplemental contracts at the school because of their work for the union on the levies campaigns?
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Ethical behavior, it seems, is a "situational" thing in Springboro.
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So is a private citizen engaged in their private lives. Last time I checked no one with business before the board of education that would benefit anyone financially was among the groups from around the state who wished to host Ms. Kohls and her message of transparency, accountability, and fiscal responsibility.
Our sports coaches from your definition are most assuredly profiting from their position within the school hierarchy.
The donors whose businesses stood the most to gain financially from extra tax dollars are exempt, but a private citizen who has a message that others want to her must be silenced with innuendo for the union has decreed that her speech negatively influences their business model.
I don't believe anyone is coming to see Ms Kohls because she is a school board member in Springboro, OH. I would be surprised if most people from around the state where she has spoken even knew where Springboro was located.
Hard to trade on your elected position if no one knows where you come from or has any business in front of your board. How do you do that by the way?
Do you ever wonder what the pro levy crowd would have done with that extra $30,000,000 they wanted in extra taxes?
The $30,000,000 that they absolutely, positively had to have or the district would be bankrupt and in financial ruin.
Four years later and we now look as though we won't need another new levy for another four years.
Compare that with the folks in West Carrollton, Centerville, Beavercreek, Northmont, Huber Heights, etc, etc. How many would like to be in our shoes financially? All of them?
Do you think they would have spent it all and then demanded another levy by now to pay for their now bloated infrastructure?
No one is coming to see Ms. Kohls because she is a BOE member in Springboro? Why else would they be coming to see her?? That's exactly why they are coming to see her. That really doesn't even make sense.

And again, deflection...no answer to the question - is she getting compensated for her talks as an elected official? Again, if the answer is no - no harm, no foul.
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Can you just cool it on your efforts to belittle Ms. Kohls in your pretense of being concerned about "ethics?"
Can you tell us if there is an "ethics" clause in the employment contracts of Springboro School Employees?
Can you tell us if school employee, Mr. Maney, violated any ethical clause of school employees when Mr. Maney urged that the Neighbors for Spriongboro Schools levy ladies "should be taken care of by the board" because of their hard work done for union agenda of promoting increased school taxes?
Can you tell us why the NFSS ladies (including Tammy Grigsby, Lisa Babb, and Tina Schroff) all received supplemental contracts at the school because of their work for the union on the levies campaigns?
You would have to ask the BOE that question. They approve all supplemental contracts.
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If you child received their OGT test results this past week the following will allow you to interpret the results more accurately.

Once again PROFICIENT = FAILURE

http://education.ohio.gov/Topics/Testing/Stat...

Using the same scale Mr. Malone utilized to access the college courses our children took through the PSEO when constructing their GPA's for class rankings

A......95%
B.......85%
C......75%
D......63%
F......Below 63%

SCORE RANGES FOR PERFORMANCE LEVELS
Table provides the raw and scaled scores associated with each of the ¬performance levels on each test for the March 2013 administration.
– Score ranges for all subjects and performance levels

Subject.......... Correct Answers....% of Correct Answers.... Scaled Score
READING
Advanced.......... 37.5 – 48.0..........78%-100%........ . 448 – 554
Accelerated.......... 30.5 – 37.0.......... 64%-77%......... 429 – 447
PROFICIENT.......... 19.5 – 30.0 ..........41%-63%......... 400 – 428
Basic.......... 13.5 -19.0.......... 28%-40%.........383 – 399
Limited.......... 0.0 – 13.0..........0%-27%.........2 61 – 382
MATHEMATICS
Advanced.......... 35.0 – 46.0 ..........76%-100%......... 444 – 553
Accelerated.......... 28.5 – 34.5 ..........62%-75%.........425 – 443
PROFICIENT.......... 19.0 – 28.0 ..........41%-61%.........400 – 424
Basic ..........14.0 – 18.5 ..........30%-40%.........384 – 399
Limited ..........0.0 – 13.5 ..........0%-29%.........254 – 383
WRITING
Advanced ..........41.5 – 48.0 ..........86%-100%.........476 – 579
Accelerated ..........34.0 – 41.0 ..........71%-85%.........430 – 475
PROFICIENT ..........25.5 – 33.5 ..........53%-70%.........400 – 429
Basic ..........18.5 – 25.0 ..........37%-52%.........378 – 399
Limited ..........0.0 – 17.0 ..........0%-36%......... 268 – 377
SCIENCE
Advanced ..........36.5 – 48.0 ..........76%-100%.........445 – 591
Accelerated ..........31.5 – 36.0 ..........61%-72%.........425 – 444
PROFICIENT ..........22.0 – 29.0 ..........46%-60%.........400 – 424
Basic ..........13.5 – 21.5 ..........28%-45%.........371 – 399
Limited ..........0.0 – 13.0 ..........0%-27%.........209 – 370
SOCIAL STUDIES
Advanced ..........36.5 – 48.0 ..........76%-100%.........446 – 579
Accelerated ..........32.0 – 36.0 ..........68%-75%.........429 – 445
PROFICIENT ..........21.5 – 31.5..........45%-67%......... 400 – 428
Basic ..........15.5 – 21.0 ..........32%-44%.........382 – 399
Limited ..........0.0 – 15.0 ..........0%-21%.........231 – 381
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To a rousing applause at a board meeting earlier this year Mr. Malone rather disingenuously proclaimed what a great job we doing because we had over 93% of our children pass the Ohio Graduation Test (OGT).

To accomplish this great feat of academia a student needed to score at least:

Reading..........41%

Math..........41%

Writing..........53%

Science..........46%

Social Studies.....45%

PROFCIENT = FAILURE

2000 plus kids in this district are not getting the education we are funding.
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Just Watching wrote:
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So is a private citizen engaged in their private lives. Last time I checked no one with business before the board of education that would benefit anyone financially was among the groups from around the state who wished to host Ms. Kohls and her message of transparency, accountability, and fiscal responsibility.
Our sports coaches from your definition are most assuredly profiting from their position within the school hierarchy.
The donors whose businesses stood the most to gain financially from extra tax dollars are exempt, but a private citizen who has a message that others want to her must be silenced with innuendo for the union has decreed that her speech negatively influences their business model.
I don't believe anyone is coming to see Ms Kohls because she is a school board member in Springboro, OH. I would be surprised if most people from around the state where she has spoken even knew where Springboro was located.
Hard to trade on your elected position if no one knows where you come from or has any business in front of your board. How do you do that by the way?
Do you ever wonder what the pro levy crowd would have done with that extra $30,000,000 they wanted in extra taxes?
The $30,000,000 that they absolutely, positively had to have or the district would be bankrupt and in financial ruin.
Four years later and we now look as though we won't need another new levy for another four years.
Compare that with the folks in West Carrollton, Centerville, Beavercreek, Northmont, Huber Heights, etc, etc. How many would like to be in our shoes financially? All of them?
Do you think they would have spent it all and then demanded another levy by now to pay for their now bloated infrastructure?
People aren't coming to hear Ms. Kohls talk because she is a BOE member? Hmmm.....

Unethical Ewes

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No one is coming to see Ms. Kohls because she is a BOE member in Springboro? Why else would they be coming to see her?? That's exactly why they are coming to see her. That really doesn't even make sense.
And again, deflection...no answer to the question - is she getting compensated for her talks as an elected official? Again, if the answer is no - no harm, no foul.
--- is she getting compensated for her talks as an elected official? Guess you need to ask the elected official that question and stop badgering your severely misled personal opinions as a concern of "ethics."

Why all the hints of something possibly being
"of harm and foul" on this public discussion blog, trying to stir
controversial issues, when even YOU don't know what you are talking about? Unless, of course, YOU are just another union wooly bully, sheepishly trying to pull the wool over eyes wide open to your OEA war of words, against an elected official that the union bullies are trying discredit.
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You would have to ask the BOE that question. They approve all supplemental contracts.
Again, deflection from the real issues of concern to Springboro parents and school district taxpaying homeowners:

Where are your "ethical concerns" of your responsibility to our 2000 plus kids in this district who are not getting the education we are funding?
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.... If this upcoming grading system were in place right now (in lieu of "excellent with distinction") Springboro school district would have annually been scoring a string of Bs.
What is your source for this score?
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What is your source for this score?
Wooly Bullies demand to know your source so that proper ethical wooly bullies interrogation process can begin! Why not send an SOS, organize a Source OF Score project, tie a ribbon around the boro trees of knowledge and call in the news cameras?
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http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topic... ’s-New-School-Report-Card/Simu lated-grades-for-Ohio-s-New-Re port-Card.xlsx.aspx

Seems like our new report card is pretty good!

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