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Yes Really

Piqua, OH

#24813 May 23, 2013
Really wrote:
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Really, Just Watching!... I find it quite ironic that you would know what LOVE is! You have to be one of the most negative people that I know and you are talking about love... Wow!
Help Stop the OEA WOW!... war of words fighting against Springboro Taxpayers! Stand Strong in Support of Our Children FIRST!
The OEA members are some of the worst people we will ever have to deal with as to radical social behavior; because to the OEA radicals they are at war with the taxpayers.
They have the destruction of America in their minds and they are terrible people because their ideology makes them corrosive. They openly use children to execute their maniacal plans for social progressive changes at the expense of society, and this defines their essence. Wars are won by taking away from the other side the will to continue fighting. The OEA attacks them directly hoping to rob them of their will to stand opposed to the union’s progressive agenda.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24814 May 23, 2013
Mr. Budd can't stop saying the word creationism, can he? I count three bold headlines trumpeting the word and an entire article dedicated to the one word.

Using my critical thinking and reading skills I discern from Mr. Budd's article that according to the chief legal counsel for the Ohio School Boards Association, "Schools may teach about controversial topics and may debate controversial topics in classrooms."

According to the proposed policy, when controversial issues arise a in classroom discussion ideally the teacher would present both sides of the issue.

Mr. Budd appears to believe that any discussion beyond his orthodoxy must be quelched lest the children hear alternate viewpoints.

This is a free speech issue. There are a host of topics that are listed that deserve both sides being presented, not just one particular slant.

If our goal is create children that have the ability to march forth into the world, a critical thinking and disseminating mind is a must.

Only those afraid of defending their viewpoint or orthodoxy are scared of free speech. Robust debate has and will continue to be the hallmark of our republic.

Let us not cheat the children of its benefits.
malone again naturally

Girard, OH

#24815 May 23, 2013
Yesterday afternoon retiring SHS principal Ron Malone got the obligatory tearfilled surprise farewell from a mass of adoring high schoolers, many dresses in blue & white.

(a brief pause for the mental visual)

Regarding his opinion of the general direction Springboro's school board is taking, Malone is recently qouted in Springboro Life magazine... "the major concern I have with decisions being made out there is that the major emphasis seems to be the physical part of education. There needs to be a re-emphasis on the value of the educator".

That's wonderful, Principal Malone!
A re-emphasis on the value of the educator is long overdue. The problem is our many (but by no means all) of public school educators have long developed an overwhelming sense of entitlement. Many of these teachers as well any many others in the public sector have no true grasp of the post-2008 economic hardships because they've been successfully insulated away from a lot of it...TO THE EXPENSE OF *THE REST OF US!!

* footnote - Locally, "the rest" does in fact include David Bowman and the coven of SURE moms.

Principal Malone, your point ..." the major emphasis (of our board) seems to be on the physical part of education".
Thank you. This is 100% accurate. Teachers and staff need to be about the crucial business that is the instruction of children's cirriculum. Board members need to be about the business of physically running a school district.
The two philosphies ne'er shall meet except to brainstorm together and exchange notes every other Thursday night at 7 PM.

Our adult students need to understand the obligations of board members not just to students and teachers BUT TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEY SERVE. Before the class of 2013 heads off to college or wherever, they need to understand board members are elected public servants who are directly accountable to ALL OF (100% of) the public to which they serve. School board members pledge to Oh, rats! Last day for Seniors was yesterday! Would you please slip this in with their respective diplomas?

Principal Malone, I don't have to tell this because no doubt you've seen it all during your 13 years here in Springboro. Here as well as virtually every other public school district has a blend of good teachers, bad teachers, truly outstanding teachers, and absolutely TERRIBLE teachers who should have been kicked out the door long ago, but their jobs are protected to the hilt by teachers unions like the Springboro Education Association (SEA).

Principal Malone, if you will, before you pack up and walk out those doors that last time, please answer or at least honestly reflect upon the following questions.

1) What is the process of a citizen being elected onto any given school board?

2) What makes any given individual qualified to vote in a BOE election?

3) During a BOE election, do district educators/staff have an exclusive right to elect "their" BOE?

4) Either inside or outside the brick & mortar of a district's schools, what party(s) or entity are board members accountable to?

5) Either inside or outside the brick & mortar of a district's schools, what party(s) are directly accountable to members of a school board?

(select any/all that apply)
6) In general terms, which of the following are... "for the kids?"
a) district teachers/staff
b) parents
c) community business owners
d) dedicated levy / BOE voters
e) members of boards of education

Have a wonderful and very fulfilling retirement, Principal Malone!
And the People Said Amen

Piqua, OH

#24816 May 23, 2013
Finally, the time has now come for Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners to close the
pro-union biased book of the gospel according to the "has been a high school principal."
Rejoice!

“Civic Innovation Designer”

Since: Mar 11

Springboro, Ohio

#24817 May 23, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
Mr. Budd appears to believe that any discussion beyond his orthodoxy must be quelched lest the children hear alternate viewpoints.
"Alternate viewpoints" that the science hasn't completely proven, like creationism, global warming, cigarette smoking, DDT. No, scratch those last two. The corporations can no longer afford to question the evidence of cigarettes and DDT... just creationism and global warming. Oh, and that the Constitution was handed down by God.
Heart Burn

Dayton, OH

#24818 May 23, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
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"Alternate viewpoints" that the science hasn't completely proven, like creationism, global warming, cigarette smoking, DDT. No, scratch those last two. The corporations can no longer afford to question the evidence of cigarettes and DDT... just creationism and global warming. Oh, and that the Constitution was handed down by God.
Here and I almost went and believed you when you said you enjoyed healthy debate and answering honest questions. You seem to leave a lot of direct honest questions unanswered and opt for the hyperbole filled hubris type posts. I'll quit holding my breath now for honest answers and healthy debate that I was promised.
Boro Alumni

Maineville, OH

#24819 May 23, 2013
While the President of Springboro Schools BOE, Kelly Kohls is also the President of the Warren County Tea Party. She is also very close with everyone in the State of Ohio Tea Party political group. She DOES have an agenda other than the Springboro Schools. She is following all of the talking points for the Tea Party agenda and doing her part to infuse them into the PUBLIC schools in Springboro. Non Tea Party people of Springboro “WAKE UP AND SHOW UP to the BOE meetings!!”

From: http://www.plunderbund.com/2013/03/05/tea-par...

“Kohls seems quite happy preaching fiscal responsibility and belt-tightening when teachers and school staff are the ones on the receiving end of the cuts, but she doesn’t seem to quite muster up the same fervor for fiscal control in her personal life.

Kohls blamed her financial woes on the “catastrophic financial events that has (sic) led our country into this recession” and explained that she was unable to find another loan after her home value dropped and her “mortgager went out of business”.

Given the outcome of Kohls’ poor financial decisions, it’s hard to take anything she says about personal responsibility seriously. Still, Kohls continues to travel widely, speaking about her “successes” in starving Springboro schools of funding while putting her conservative, Tea Party stamp on the district.

Kohls and fellow school board members David Petroni and Jim Rigano have refused to put renewal levies on the ballot and they withdrew from the Ohio School Board Association, instead joining the Ohio School Boards Leadership Council, a “conservative alternative” to the OSBA that Kelly helped found.”

I am a long time Springboro resident (moved here at age 13 in 1973) and hate to see the school system being carried into a religious, right wing system. The schools need to prepare our communities kids for the future in math and SCIENCE for them to be able to compete in the world and their future. Back in the day, PARENTS did the preferred religious teachings according to THEIR CHOICE and schools were for the academics. If parents are concerned about their child’s religious/spiritual education, they should be responsible for that. Why should the teachers also be responsible to educate YOUR children on Creationism? The teachers are there to educate the kids in courses to prepare them for college, not the seminary. In college, you are not forced to take classes that include creationism. It is your CHOICE if you want to sign up, AND PAY THE TUITION, for classes concerning religion. In looking over course requirements for degrees such as Mechanical Engineering, Medicine, Nursing, IT, Physics, I have never seen a mandatory requirement for a Creationism/Religion class.(Unless you are attending a Christian University…but again that is YOUR CHOICE after high school and YOUR dime).

The Truth

Cincinnati, OH

#24820 May 23, 2013
A-Men Boro Alumni.
Really

Dayton, OH

#24821 May 23, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
And now back to the children
2000 plus children in our district are not getting the education the taxpayers are funding today.
Where is the union on that single salient point?
The union is not producing the results for which we, the taxpayers, are funding them to produce.
An 80% failure rate in the junior high on the math section of the Ohio Achievement Assessment tests that has been ongoing for as long as Ms. Cook has been principal.
Ms Cook's response in the face of a bulge in student population hitting her school was to reduce instruction time for each child.
She proclaimed it as a great thing that she got the union to agree to teach roughly 30 more children a day by reducing instruction time from 48 minutes a class to 42 minutes per class.
The 80% of the children are receiving a D or F and Ms. Cook and the union's solution is to reduce classroom instruction time.
How much did 6 minutes per day x 180 days = 1080 minutes or 18 hours
At the old 48 minute classes that amounts to 22.5 FEWER days of instruction
in a class where 80% of the kids receive a D or F.
22.5 days is roughly one month of school LESS on a subject that sees 80% if the children receive a D or F.
Ms Cook was lauded for her uncanny ability to cheat the children for the benefit of the union members.
Ms. Cook did not reallocate her resources to drop junior high "electives" and move them into defined areas of need in the core courses of math and english where overwhelming numbers of children were struggling.
No, Ms Cook's response was to protect union jobs in areas that offered scant educational return rather than opt to strongly support student achievement.
Let the readers decide if such "achievement" is really excellent with distinction.
.
.
8th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 8th grade
.
Limited.......... 3 Students
Limited.......... 20% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
.
Basic..........25 Students
Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11- 15 correct answers =(22-30% correct)
.
Proficient........174 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -16-29 correct answers =(32-58% correct)
.
Accelerated.....159 Students
Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--30 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........77 Students
Advanced........85% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students
Percentage of Students.....55% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......108 Students
Percentage of Students.....25% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........49 Students
Percentage of Students.....11% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........36 Students
Percentage of Students.....8% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....6 Students
Percentage of Students.....1% receiving A
.
.
.
Is this the level of achievement to which we wish to aspire in Springboro?
.
Is this the best we are capable of given our resources?
.
Should we continue to allow the schools and the state to hide behind euphemisms rather than actual achievement?
.
Demand better, our children and taxpayers deserve a real return on our investment in our schools.
JW your BOE that you support just promoted Ms. Cook with a 3 year contract and a promotion. It's official the animals finally have the keys to the zoo.
Get Real

Dayton, OH

#24822 May 23, 2013
malone again naturally wrote:
Yesterday afternoon retiring SHS principal Ron Malone got the obligatory tearfilled surprise farewell from a mass of adoring high schoolers, many dresses in blue & white.
(a brief pause for the mental visual)
Regarding his opinion of the general direction Springboro's school board is taking, Malone is recently qouted in Springboro Life magazine... "the major concern I have with decisions being made out there is that the major emphasis seems to be the physical part of education. There needs to be a re-emphasis on the value of the educator".
That's wonderful, Principal Malone!
A re-emphasis on the value of the educator is long overdue. The problem is our many (but by no means all) of public school educators have long developed an overwhelming sense of entitlement. Many of these teachers as well any many others in the public sector have no true grasp of the post-2008 economic hardships because they've been successfully insulated away from a lot of it...TO THE EXPENSE OF *THE REST OF US!!
* footnote - Locally, "the rest" does in fact include David Bowman and the coven of SURE moms.
Principal Malone, your point ..." the major emphasis (of our board) seems to be on the physical part of education".
Thank you. This is 100% accurate. Teachers and staff need to be about the crucial business that is the instruction of children's cirriculum. Board members need to be about the business of physically running a school district.
The two philosphies ne'er shall meet except to brainstorm together and exchange notes every other Thursday night at 7 PM.
Our adult students need to understand the obligations of board members not just to students and teachers BUT TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEY SERVE. Before the class of 2013 heads off to college or wherever, they need to understand board members are elected public servants who are directly accountable to ALL OF (100% of) the public to which they serve. School board members pledge to Oh, rats! Last day for Seniors was yesterday! Would you please slip this in with their respective diplomas?
Principal Malone, I don't have to tell this because no doubt you've seen it all during your 13 years here in Springboro. Here as well as virtually every other public school district has a blend of good teachers, bad teachers, truly outstanding teachers, and absolutely TERRIBLE teachers who should have been kicked out the door long ago, but their jobs are protected to the hilt by teachers unions like the Springboro Education Association (SEA).
Principal Malone, if you will, before you pack up and walk out those doors that last time, please answer or at least honestly reflect upon the following questions.
1) What is the process of a citizen being elected onto any given school board?
2) What makes any given individual qualified to vote in a BOE election?
3) During a BOE election, do district educators/staff have an exclusive right to elect "their" BOE?
4) Either inside or outside the brick & mortar of a district's schools, what party(s) or entity are board members accountable to?
5) Either inside or outside the brick & mortar of a district's schools, what party(s) are directly accountable to members of a school board?
(select any/all that apply)
6) In general terms, which of the following are... "for the kids?"
a) district teachers/staff
b) parents
c) community business owners
d) dedicated levy / BOE voters
e) members of boards of education
Have a wonderful and very fulfilling retirement, Principal Malone!
In the name of transparency please provide us with names of the good and outstanding teachers in the district?
LOL in Boro

Piqua, OH

#24823 May 23, 2013
LOL..... Boro Alumni

back in the day..... public schools kept their noses out of their students sex life and just left that up to the home and church! Now Taxpayers are expected to foot the bill for public school teachers to "show and tell" all about it!
Sad to say some public teachers have been known to "home school!"

Why should teachers be expected to educate YOUR child on sex education? Isn't that YOUR job?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24824 May 23, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
In the name of transparency please provide us with names of the good and outstanding teachers in the district?
Their peers would be the best source for that information. Those that teach the next level after someone else can best tell you how well or how poorly prepared students from different teachers come to them.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24825 May 23, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>
JW your BOE that you support just promoted Ms. Cook with a 3 year contract and a promotion. It's official the animals finally have the keys to the zoo.
Actually it was Mr. Petrey who gave the promotion and asked for her services in the central office.
malone again naturally

Girard, OH

#24826 May 24, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
In the name of transparency please provide us with names of the good and outstanding teachers in the district?
If the teacher representation within last night's board meeting is a balanced cross section of all of Springboro schools, then most certainly this district's student population is direly in need of much more positive teacher role models.

I say let 'em walk!
sheep

Springboro, OH

#24827 May 24, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually it was Mr. Petrey who gave the promotion and asked for her services in the central office.
With the BOE's blessing of course. Nice deflection though. I feel sorry for Mr. Petrey. The BOE is running out of scapegoats....he will probably be next....
Public masters

Springboro, OH

#24828 May 24, 2013
Somehow these critics forget that they elected three previous board members and a Springboro Treasurer that had a lot of trouble with their personal finances. Craig Colston, do you know the history there? For years he did not pay his State taxes and the State sued him for a $60,000 recovery, and he lost his home due to foreclosure? Dettwiller had his home in foreclosure 3-4 times while raking in almost $200,000 per year in income- no income losses yet did not pay mortgage? Gentry Ellis declared Bankruptcy after purchasing a $250,000 home and passing off all other debts- including her education debt to all of us. Scott Anderson left his restaurant in bankruptcy a few years ago.
Are you implying that economics only happen to Tea Party people or are you saying that people in public office should never to face economic crisis. They are not protected from real economics like the public sector.
Sickening

Springboro, OH

#24829 May 24, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
In the name of transparency please provide us with names of the good and outstanding teachers in the district?
Students went home and told their parents they were made to skip class and go to parts of the HS building and clap for their HS Principal they did not have a choice they were forced. So stopping education to praise a retiree- do they do this for all retirees?

This education system has held up false gods and forced children to praise them.
Maybe this should be the new Controversial Topic. Praising false gods is a sin.
Students were also forced to write letters of appreciation to district employees for appreciation day.

Indoctrination exists inside our schools.
Great Role Model

Youngstown, OH

#24830 May 24, 2013
Sickening wrote:
<quoted text>
Students went home and told their parents they were made to skip class and go to parts of the HS building and clap for their HS Principal they did not have a choice they were forced. So stopping education to praise a retiree- do they do this for all retirees?
This education system has held up false gods and forced children to praise them.
Maybe this should be the new Controversial Topic. Praising false gods is a sin.
Students were also forced to write letters of appreciation to district employees for appreciation day.
Indoctrination exists inside our schools.
Tell me one kid who would go and tell their parents that?! Those kids love that man. Do you remember the amount of people who came out to support him ?? They were not forced to do anything they didn't want to do. It is pathetic some of the comments on this page, full of lies. I only feel sorry for the children of these ignorant people who post these lies and cruel insults. You are a great role model. Keep it up!!
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24831 May 24, 2013
Public masters wrote:
Somehow these critics forget that they elected three previous board members and a Springboro Treasurer that had a lot of trouble with their personal finances. Craig Colston, do you know the history there? For years he did not pay his State taxes and the State sued him for a $60,000 recovery, and he lost his home due to foreclosure? Dettwiller had his home in foreclosure 3-4 times while raking in almost $200,000 per year in income- no income losses yet did not pay mortgage? Gentry Ellis declared Bankruptcy after purchasing a $250,000 home and passing off all other debts- including her education debt to all of us. Scott Anderson left his restaurant in bankruptcy a few years ago.
Are you implying that economics only happen to Tea Party people or are you saying that people in public office should never to face economic crisis. They are not protected from real economics like the public sector.
While it may provide some great joy in recounting the financial falls from grace others have endured, how does this help the 2000 plus kids in our district that are not receiving the education the taxpayers are funding.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24832 May 24, 2013
Reading my morning copy of the Dayton Daily I note that Mr. Budd missed the point of the policy proposal being discussed regarding controversial issues.

Little did anyone know that the policy dealing with controversial issues that arise in the classroom would itself be controversial.

The main crux of the policy is to require teachers to present both sides of an issue to the students when they arise in the course of normal classroom activities.

The policy in NO way, shape, or form advocates the teaching of creationism any more than it promotes abortion. It simply requires teachers to not advocate one side over the other, but to present both sides of an issue to the children

The list of topics the board feels would benefit from a free and open discourse of ideas from both sides of an issue include:
sex education
legalization of drugs
evolution/creationism
pro-life/abortion
contraception/abstinence
conservatism/liberalism
politics
gun rights
global warming
global cooling
climate change
sustainable development

Who but the union and its supporters would have a problem with both sides of an issue being presented for debate and discussion?

As anyone who has lived a longer life, their are seldom issues that present themselves in strictly black and white terms. Life is filled with the grey area which makes it interesting. Teaching our children to begin the process of analyzing and interpreting various points and counterpoints in presentations will make them more confident in their ability to understand life in general.

ONe final side note is the fact Mr. Budd failed to mention the most salient point of the night. The notice given by the Budget and Finance Committee that it would support a renewal levy in November seems to have been lost in the psuedo issue described above.

Too bad, because that was really the big news of the night.

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