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Curiouser

Akron, OH

#24795 May 21, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
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Send me a PM if you want to start working on my biography. As for your last question (above): I don't know! It's like The Invisible Hand of the Free Market; Open Government is just something I believe in.
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So open government is like God, welcome to the light. By the way, what was here before the Big Bang filled it up? And where did the particle that exploded come from if there was nothing before? Simply musing.
huh

Ashburn, VA

#24796 May 21, 2013
Curiouser wrote:
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So open government is like God, welcome to the light. By the way, what was here before the Big Bang filled it up? And where did the particle that exploded come from if there was nothing before? Simply musing.
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Support Our Success

Cincinnati, OH

#24797 May 22, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
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I'm sorry, but maybe I am a bit naive. I have never been on the "tea party circuit" can you explain what that is?
Maybe throw in a few specific examples of Dr Kohls "threatening to "threatening" to continue with disrespectful "bullying" of our parents and teachers, until they "listen" to her demands that the Board be given "respect."
In all seriousness, I have never been to a Tea party event, never donned a tri corner hat, never even vsupported a teap party candidate hat I am aware of. But can you explain to me what is so god awful about those that engage in grass roots organizatonis such as the tea party? What have they done as an organization that has left such a venomous taste in your mouth?
Kelly Kohls involvement in the Tea Party affects her performance on the BOE how? Should we not be proud to have someone such as a Dr Kohls as our BOE President, that is involved in and respected by other organizations. Or would you rather have the bump on a logs that we have had in the past that show up at BOE meetings, look at their phones and watches all night long, rubber stamp whatever the SEA demands without ever questioning the status quo?
Me? I'll take the person that is not afraid to be involved, ask tough questions, do research, make informed decisions, then have the guts to stand behind them. Some might call that leadership. Too bad recent past BOE presidents, Scott Anderson, Craig Colston come to mind, lacked that quality...IMHO.
Springboro Loves Our Children First!

Springboro Parent and BOE President, Kelly Kohls, is all about
putting our students individual achievements first in every fiscally responsible decision! Thank You, Dr. Kohls!
Freedom of speech

Euclid, OH

#24798 May 22, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
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My mistake, I'm clearly new to playing Tea Party Mad Libs. Let me try again:
Isn't it Springboro BOE President, Kelly Kohls, who is all over the Tea Party circuit, "threatening" to continue with disrespectful "bullying" of our parents and teachers, until they "listen" to her demands that the Board be given "respect."
I know we're all trolling in the snake pit, just want to make sure I'm doing it right.
Open Springboro, you are my hero!
Burning Question

Cincinnati, OH

#24799 May 22, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
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Send me a PM if you want to start working on my biography. As for your last question (above): I don't know! It's like The Invisible Hand of the Free Market; Open Government is just something I believe in.
In fact, those tingles were so strong that I ran right up to David Petroni the first chance I could, and told him that I loved their transparency project, so much that I'm building on his idea and making the contract not only transparent, but interactive and accessible to everyone!
BEHOLD: http://rapgenius.com/Springboro-board-of-educ...
I'll tell you something else that I shared with the Board: There's a fast moving train headed our way. RapGenius is in love with the way I'm using their platform, and they're invested in helping to open the contract negotiations. I don't what's going to happen, but I'm willing to bet that things are just about to get real interesting.
Question everything, lest even the "elect" be taken in by clever deceit of the unnecessary evil love of greed for More than
is needed.....

The way I see it, Christopher Ritter, shouldn't everything you post on Open Springboro bear the rubber stamped Union transparent trademark....Liar! Liar! Pants on fire...?
Now wouldn't that be awesome?
Heart Burn

Atlanta, GA

#24801 May 22, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
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I suck at trolling mainly because I'm a sucker for honest questions and a good debate. Of course, this will only set me up for further attacks, but here goes!
Who is trolling?
Open Springboro wrote:
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To answer your question, I agree with your premise, but do not feel that handing our school system over to the Tea Party is a good idea for for reasons:
Whoa...There ya go getting all David Bowmanesque one me. Who said anyting about handing our school system over to the Tea Party. Kelly Kohls is one member of the BOE and as far as I know the only person on the BOE that is affiliated with the TP. But the question I asked is what is so bad about that and what is so bad about the TP as a whole?
Open Springboro wrote:
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1. I do not believe that teaching Creationism will help improve our academic ratings.
Will it decrease them? Will it actually hurt a single thing? To be honest, I think this entire creationism thing is a distraction that gives those that look for stuff to nit pick a reason to complain. But IF the BOE is seriously considering it I would advise them to look for bigger fish to fry than creating a controversy where none should exist.
Open Springboro wrote:
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2. I do not believe that teachers with guns are necessary in one of the top performing schools in Ohio.
Is this even a topic of discussion still? The entire topic was reactionary at best...but then again the entire national debate about guns is reactionary. But since you brought it up. I have no problem what so ever if the BOE granted the right to well trained responsible teachers carry & conceal on school property. I don't see what the problem is. It would be a better deterrant, IMHO, than an armed guard out in front of a building. Qualilfied trained teachers spread throughout the buildings that may or may not be CCW on any given day disrupts teaching how?
Open Springboro wrote:
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3. I do not believe that private schools out-perform public schools, nor that our school system should be sold to the private sector.
I believe statistics would prove your point otherwise. Who is advocating selling our school system to the private sector? You can't make these broad accusations without backing them up somehow.
Open Springboro wrote:
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4. I do not believe that the Constitution was delivered by God in order to ensure that His people were prosperous in the New World, nor that this should be taught during Constitution Week.
Really? This is an actual concern? Who gives a rats ass if this is taught or not? What is the harm, other than those that oppose it are making it into a bigger distraction than it would normally be otherwise.

Since you like a good debate and honest questions, I will c&p those honest questions you skipped over in the post you responded too:
Heart Burn wrote:
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...I have never been on the "tea party circuit" can you explain what that is?
Maybe throw in a few specific examples of Dr Kohls "threatening to "threatening" to continue with disrespectful "bullying" of our parents and teachers, until they "listen" to her demands that the Board be given "respect."
...But can you explain to me what is so god awful about those that engage in grass roots organizatonis such as the tea party?

What have they done as an organization that has left such a venomous taste in your mouth?

Kelly Kohls involvement in the Tea Party affects her performance on the BOE how?

Should we not be proud to have someone such as a Dr Kohls as our BOE President, that is involved in and respected by other organizations?

Or would you rather have the bump on a logs that we have had in the past that show up at BOE meetings, look at their phones and watches all night long, rubber stamp whatever the SEA demands without ever questioning the status quo?...

“Civic Innovation Designer”

Since: Mar 11

Springboro, Ohio

#24803 May 22, 2013
Burning Question wrote:
The way I see it, Christopher Ritter, shouldn't everything you post on Open Springboro bear the rubber stamped Union transparent trademark....Liar! Liar! Pants on fire...?
Now wouldn't that be awesome?
You're trying, aren't you? Lets see how the Union reacts before putting their stamp on my open contract. All I know is that the Board was excited to see someone building on to their efforts.
LOL

Cincinnati, OH

#24804 May 22, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
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You're trying, aren't you? Lets see how the Union reacts before putting their stamp on my open contract. All I know is that the Board was excited to see someone building on to their efforts.
Trying What?

Will you try answering these questions?

(I do not choose to visit your rapping genius website).

Is your name Christopher Ritter?

Are you a taxpaying resident/voter in the Springboro school district?

Are you "insinuating" on this blog that You are "working on your Open Springboro" project with approval of the Board?"

And to which Board, specifically, are you referring?

For someone posting as Open Springboro, advocating for open government, your posts are quite vague in specifics.
Question Everything

Cincinnati, OH

#24805 May 22, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
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Who is trolling?
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Whoa...There ya go getting all David Bowmanesque one me. Who said anyting about handing our school system over to the Tea Party. Kelly Kohls is one member of the BOE and as far as I know the only person on the BOE that is affiliated with the TP. But the question I asked is what is so bad about that and what is so bad about the TP as a whole?
<quoted text>
Will it decrease them? Will it actually hurt a single thing? To be honest, I think this entire creationism thing is a distraction that gives those that look for stuff to nit pick a reason to complain. But IF the BOE is seriously considering it I would advise them to look for bigger fish to fry than creating a controversy where none should exist.
<quoted text>
Is this even a topic of discussion still? The entire topic was reactionary at best...but then again the entire national debate about guns is reactionary. But since you brought it up. I have no problem what so ever if the BOE granted the right to well trained responsible teachers carry & conceal on school property. I don't see what the problem is. It would be a better deterrant, IMHO, than an armed guard out in front of a building. Qualilfied trained teachers spread throughout the buildings that may or may not be CCW on any given day disrupts teaching how?
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I believe statistics would prove your point otherwise. Who is advocating selling our school system to the private sector? You can't make these broad accusations without backing them up somehow.
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Really? This is an actual concern? Who gives a rats ass if this is taught or not? What is the harm, other than those that oppose it are making it into a bigger distraction than it would normally be otherwise.
Since you like a good debate and honest questions, I will c&p those honest questions you skipped over in the post you responded too:
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Is it possible that the Union has hired in TWO wackos to do their "professional" bully attacks against Springboro taxpayers?
Is a double punch at our School Board Representatives to be expected on May 23? One from David Bowman and the SURE mommies for increased taxes; and another from genius rapper Christopher Ritter?
Heart Burn

Atlanta, GA

#24806 May 22, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
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Is it possible that the Union has hired in TWO wackos to do their "professional" bully attacks against Springboro taxpayers?
Is a double punch at our School Board Representatives to be expected on May 23? One from David Bowman and the SURE mommies for increased taxes; and another from genius rapper Christopher Ritter?
Now now...let's not resort to name calling.

However are you suggesting that the SEA pays David Bowman to write his hyperbole filled blogs and editorials? Are you sure?
The Scoffer

Cincinnati, OH

#24807 May 22, 2013
Heart Burn wrote:
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Now now...let's not resort to name calling.
However are you suggesting that the SEA pays David Bowman to write his hyperbole filled blogs and editorials? Are you sure?
No way does SEA pay David Bowman; Mr. Bowman attacks his neighbors for the SURE pleasure of being biggest bully on the block!
(or in the board room)
Bowman Scary

Brecksville, OH

#24808 May 22, 2013
The Scoffer wrote:
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No way does SEA pay David Bowman; Mr. Bowman attacks his neighbors for the SURE pleasure of being biggest bully on the block!
(or in the board room)
If Mr Bowman makes you wet your pants you might have issues
the scoop

Cleveland, OH

#24809 May 22, 2013
Bowman Scary wrote:
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If Mr Bowman makes you wet your pants you might have issues
Speaking of issues, only magazine stands have more than Bowman.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24810 May 22, 2013
And now back to the children

2000 plus children in our district are not getting the education the taxpayers are funding today.

Where is the union on that single salient point?

The union is not producing the results for which we, the taxpayers, are funding them to produce.

An 80% failure rate in the junior high on the math section of the Ohio Achievement Assessment tests that has been ongoing for as long as Ms. Cook has been principal.

Ms Cook's response in the face of a bulge in student population hitting her school was to reduce instruction time for each child.

She proclaimed it as a great thing that she got the union to agree to teach roughly 30 more children a day by reducing instruction time from 48 minutes a class to 42 minutes per class.

The 80% of the children are receiving a D or F and Ms. Cook and the union's solution is to reduce classroom instruction time.

How much did 6 minutes per day x 180 days = 1080 minutes or 18 hours

At the old 48 minute classes that amounts to 22.5 FEWER days of instruction
in a class where 80% of the kids receive a D or F.

22.5 days is roughly one month of school LESS on a subject that sees 80% if the children receive a D or F.

Ms Cook was lauded for her uncanny ability to cheat the children for the benefit of the union members.

Ms. Cook did not reallocate her resources to drop junior high "electives" and move them into defined areas of need in the core courses of math and english where overwhelming numbers of children were struggling.

No, Ms Cook's response was to protect union jobs in areas that offered scant educational return rather than opt to strongly support student achievement.

Let the readers decide if such "achievement" is really excellent with distinction.
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8th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
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Math .......50 possible points on the test
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State Rating System and distribution of students for the 8th grade
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Limited.......... 3 Students
Limited.......... 20% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
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Basic..........25 Students
Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11- 15 correct answers =(22-30% correct)
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Proficient........174 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -16-29 correct answers =(32-58% correct)
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Accelerated.....159 Students
Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--30 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
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Advanced........77 Students
Advanced........85% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)

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Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
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F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students
Percentage of Students.....55% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......108 Students
Percentage of Students.....25% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........49 Students
Percentage of Students.....11% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........36 Students
Percentage of Students.....8% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....6 Students
Percentage of Students.....1% receiving A
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Is this the level of achievement to which we wish to aspire in Springboro?
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Is this the best we are capable of given our resources?
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Should we continue to allow the schools and the state to hide behind euphemisms rather than actual achievement?
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Demand better, our children and taxpayers deserve a real return on our investment in our schools.
Question Everything

Cincinnati, OH

#24811 May 23, 2013
Just Wondering .... wasn't Ms. Cook recently rewarded for job badly done with a promotion to district office and a big salary increase? Aren't taxpayers locked into a three year contract now with Ms. Cook? What's the deal with that big administrative move?
Critical Reader

Akron, OH

#24812 May 23, 2013
Oh great and powerful purveyor of the half truth, Larry Budd of the Dayton Daily Worker,you have done it again.

Mr.Budd apparently misses the spirit of the proposal to effect the honest teaching of both sides of a controversial issue should it come up in the course of a class room discussion. The goal being to sharpen our children's critical thinking abilities by considering each side of an argument's strengths and weaknesses.

A laudable goal, but one I fear is more of a codified suggestion than an actual enforcible policy. Unless we wish to place classroom subject matter monitors in every class, how could you enforce such a thing. Secondly, how many teachers have that type of depth and breadth of knowledge to be able to intelligently lead those discussions.

Mr. Budd's characterizations are so far left of the actual premise of the proposal that it little more than a propaganda hit piece for the union.

NO WHERE in Mr Budd's article will you find anyone saying that we need to junk the current science curriculum and replace it with anything. Does NOT exist.

Mr Budd's disingenuous reporting of a made up issue reveals more about Mr Budd's biases and the Dayton Daily's editorial stance than what Mr Rigano's proposal actually attempts to accomplish in open discussions with age appropriate children.
Yes Really

Cincinnati, OH

#24813 May 23, 2013
Really wrote:
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Really, Just Watching!... I find it quite ironic that you would know what LOVE is! You have to be one of the most negative people that I know and you are talking about love... Wow!
Help Stop the OEA WOW!... war of words fighting against Springboro Taxpayers! Stand Strong in Support of Our Children FIRST!
The OEA members are some of the worst people we will ever have to deal with as to radical social behavior; because to the OEA radicals they are at war with the taxpayers.
They have the destruction of America in their minds and they are terrible people because their ideology makes them corrosive. They openly use children to execute their maniacal plans for social progressive changes at the expense of society, and this defines their essence. Wars are won by taking away from the other side the will to continue fighting. The OEA attacks them directly hoping to rob them of their will to stand opposed to the union’s progressive agenda.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24814 May 23, 2013
Mr. Budd can't stop saying the word creationism, can he? I count three bold headlines trumpeting the word and an entire article dedicated to the one word.

Using my critical thinking and reading skills I discern from Mr. Budd's article that according to the chief legal counsel for the Ohio School Boards Association, "Schools may teach about controversial topics and may debate controversial topics in classrooms."

According to the proposed policy, when controversial issues arise a in classroom discussion ideally the teacher would present both sides of the issue.

Mr. Budd appears to believe that any discussion beyond his orthodoxy must be quelched lest the children hear alternate viewpoints.

This is a free speech issue. There are a host of topics that are listed that deserve both sides being presented, not just one particular slant.

If our goal is create children that have the ability to march forth into the world, a critical thinking and disseminating mind is a must.

Only those afraid of defending their viewpoint or orthodoxy are scared of free speech. Robust debate has and will continue to be the hallmark of our republic.

Let us not cheat the children of its benefits.
malone again naturally

Cleveland, OH

#24815 May 23, 2013
Yesterday afternoon retiring SHS principal Ron Malone got the obligatory tearfilled surprise farewell from a mass of adoring high schoolers, many dresses in blue & white.

(a brief pause for the mental visual)

Regarding his opinion of the general direction Springboro's school board is taking, Malone is recently qouted in Springboro Life magazine... "the major concern I have with decisions being made out there is that the major emphasis seems to be the physical part of education. There needs to be a re-emphasis on the value of the educator".

That's wonderful, Principal Malone!
A re-emphasis on the value of the educator is long overdue. The problem is our many (but by no means all) of public school educators have long developed an overwhelming sense of entitlement. Many of these teachers as well any many others in the public sector have no true grasp of the post-2008 economic hardships because they've been successfully insulated away from a lot of it...TO THE EXPENSE OF *THE REST OF US!!

* footnote - Locally, "the rest" does in fact include David Bowman and the coven of SURE moms.

Principal Malone, your point ..." the major emphasis (of our board) seems to be on the physical part of education".
Thank you. This is 100% accurate. Teachers and staff need to be about the crucial business that is the instruction of children's cirriculum. Board members need to be about the business of physically running a school district.
The two philosphies ne'er shall meet except to brainstorm together and exchange notes every other Thursday night at 7 PM.

Our adult students need to understand the obligations of board members not just to students and teachers BUT TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEY SERVE. Before the class of 2013 heads off to college or wherever, they need to understand board members are elected public servants who are directly accountable to ALL OF (100% of) the public to which they serve. School board members pledge to Oh, rats! Last day for Seniors was yesterday! Would you please slip this in with their respective diplomas?

Principal Malone, I don't have to tell this because no doubt you've seen it all during your 13 years here in Springboro. Here as well as virtually every other public school district has a blend of good teachers, bad teachers, truly outstanding teachers, and absolutely TERRIBLE teachers who should have been kicked out the door long ago, but their jobs are protected to the hilt by teachers unions like the Springboro Education Association (SEA).

Principal Malone, if you will, before you pack up and walk out those doors that last time, please answer or at least honestly reflect upon the following questions.

1) What is the process of a citizen being elected onto any given school board?

2) What makes any given individual qualified to vote in a BOE election?

3) During a BOE election, do district educators/staff have an exclusive right to elect "their" BOE?

4) Either inside or outside the brick & mortar of a district's schools, what party(s) or entity are board members accountable to?

5) Either inside or outside the brick & mortar of a district's schools, what party(s) are directly accountable to members of a school board?

(select any/all that apply)
6) In general terms, which of the following are... "for the kids?"
a) district teachers/staff
b) parents
c) community business owners
d) dedicated levy / BOE voters
e) members of boards of education

Have a wonderful and very fulfilling retirement, Principal Malone!
And the People Said Amen

Cincinnati, OH

#24816 May 23, 2013
Finally, the time has now come for Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners to close the
pro-union biased book of the gospel according to the "has been a high school principal."
Rejoice!

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